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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 19:50:18 GMT
Every time I see another dose being ok'ed, I think of my sister (she died 11+ years ago) who's immune sustem was shot due to her chronic illness. I am so grateful that scientists are looking out specifically for people like her. As soon as it's my turn, I'll line up for that 4th shot happily. And, I don't have a problem with that. Really. Glad you'll have that option.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 11, 2022 20:11:34 GMT
I have not heard if Ivermectin has gone through any clinical trials or that it has been approved by the FDA for use in this country. Has any of this happened? "Therapeutic Advances: Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty. Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally." journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspxClinicalTrails.gov. linkBrief Summary: The newly emerged corona virus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has spread to all over the world, with recent estimates of more than 236 million cases diagnosed and led to 4.8 million deaths as November 20211 .Therapeutic approaches are needed to improve outcomes in patients with COVID-19 since no antiviral agent has yet been proved to be conclusively beneficial in COVID-19 infection,especially in patients with mild to moderate degree of severity There has been growing interest in the anti-parasitic drug,ivermectin, which previously was studied as an antiviral, anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer actions2 .It was also reported to have an in-vitro activity against SARS-CoV-23 .Its antiviral properties was due to the action on importin 2/1 mediated nuclear transport. Ivermectin prevents the binding of viral proteins to importin 2/1 rendering the viral proteins unable to enter the nucleus and cause infection4. Several clinical studies have found a beneficial effect of ivermectin in COVID-195-9 However, some study did not find significant difference between the patient group receiving ivermectin and control group10 .Until now, the controlled trials evaluating ivermectin in COVID-19 are lacking. Ivermectin is safe, with reported side effect of less than 1%. Hence it is essential to conduct a clinical trial with ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 .The objective of this study is to establish the efficacy of ivermectin for COVID-19 patients with mild to moderate disease, compare to usual case alone.
The last study was dated 12/1/2021. And based on the bolded part as of 12/1/2021 they still don’t know the how well the drug will work for people with COVID-19. And that is why it hasn’t been approved by the FDA. Which means people SHOULD NOT be taking it until all the clinical trials are finished and it’s been approved by the FDA. At this point it’s just like all the other potential drugs/vaccines for use against COVID-19 that are still in the clinical trial stage. And yet you have all these idiots rushing to take this drug and ignoring the vaccines that went through the process I described and were approved by the FDA. That is just plain stupid.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 20:36:18 GMT
Thanks for your opinion.
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Post by Merge on Jan 11, 2022 20:45:48 GMT
It's not just her opinion. It's the opinion of the vast majority of reputable virologists and epidemiologist on the planet based on credible studies thus far. But I'm sure your YouTube quacks have somehow figured out something all those scientists missed ...
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 11, 2022 20:48:57 GMT
That is great news! I’ll sign up as soon as it is available. I’ll take everything they’ll give me. I love how this is posted like it’s somehow supposed to give us pause. 😏 Probably another one they didn’t bother to read fully.
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Post by alitheia on Jan 11, 2022 20:51:23 GMT
All the story tells me is that politicians are getting just as sick of all of the virus bullshit as everyone else is in this country. Masked/vaxed/boosted are ALL going to get covid sooner or later so we all need to get on with our lives and stop with all of the stupid useless mandates in this country. Get back to work, get our kids back to school and live your lives without this incessant fear. My point exactly! Those in states governed by Democratic governors are pushing vaccines, more masks, mandates, and not looking at the BIG PICTURE.
The American public is tired of being lied to about Covid, etc. Yes, it is a pandemic, yes, it is global. Will the virus mutate? Most definitely! Will getting endless boosters keep us from contracting Covid, probably not. It might lessen the effects of the disease.
Not throwing my sister or anyone else for that matter under the bus, but pointing out that even vaccinated can get Covid like AOC. Why did I put her in the title, because she is so outspoken about so many issues, and not necessarily that educated about what she is pushing on the American public as are other politicians.
Every person I know who has had Covid in the last 3 months has been vaccinated, and that seems to be all the US Government is pushing.
What about the continued development of therapeutics? Mono-clonal antibodies were not available in my state when Florida has clinics set up to distribute them to Floridians at the first signs of Covid with a positive test. They are now . . . finally.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 11, 2022 21:01:11 GMT
The American public is tired of being lied to about Covid, etc. Yes, it is a pandemic, yes, it is global. Will the virus mutate? Most definitely! Will getting endless boosters keep us from contracting Covid, probably not. It might lessen the effects of the disease.
Not "might", it does. Who are the majority of people filling up the hospitals? Unvaccinated. Are people with the vaccination and/or booster also getting Covid? Yes. The majority of people dying are unvaccinated. What about the continued development of therapeutics? Mono-clonal antibodies were not available in my state when Florida has clinics set up to distribute them to Floridians at the first signs of Covid with a positive test. Florida was the first one with clinics set up because of who of THEIR politicians have a financial interest in that treatment. It is also way, way more expensive than the vaccine. So, which one do you think should be pushed? The expensive treatment or the vaccine that helps prevent it all in the first place?
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 11, 2022 21:07:13 GMT
Why would anyone be against “lessening the effects” of an illness?
So when you want to just get back out there and “live” with Covid, do you mean businesses get more help with improving ventilation and sanitizing and sick leave for employees, improving access to quality tests and masks, or do you just mean who cares about the thousands of people dying daily and those ending up with long Covid or life long lasting impacts?
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Post by Merge on Jan 11, 2022 21:11:42 GMT
All the story tells me is that politicians are getting just as sick of all of the virus bullshit as everyone else is in this country. Masked/vaxed/boosted are ALL going to get covid sooner or later so we all need to get on with our lives and stop with all of the stupid useless mandates in this country. Get back to work, get our kids back to school and live your lives without this incessant fear. My point exactly! Those in states governed by Democratic governors are pushing vaccines, more masks, mandates, and not looking at the BIG PICTURE.
The American public is tired of being lied to about Covid, etc. Yes, it is a pandemic, yes, it is global. Will the virus mutate? Most definitely! Will getting endless boosters keep us from contracting Covid, probably not. It might lessen the effects of the disease.
Not throwing my sister or anyone else for that matter under the bus, but pointing out that even vaccinated can get Covid like AOC. Why did I put her in the title, because she is so outspoken about so many issues, and not necessarily that educated about what she is pushing on the American public as are other politicians.
Every person I know who has had Covid in the last 3 months has been vaccinated, and that seems to be all the US Government is pushing.
What about the continued development of therapeutics? Mono-clonal antibodies were not available in my state when Florida has clinics set up to distribute them to Floridians at the first signs of Covid with a positive test. They are now . . . finally.
What makes you think that scientists are not continuing to study therapeutics? This one has FDA EUA and is continuing trials for full approval. www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19I'm also interested what lies you think we're being told about Covid (and by whom) in the past year. I know the previous administration told a lot of lies about it.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 11, 2022 21:20:12 GMT
Why would anyone be against “lessening the effects” of an illness? So when you want to just get back out there and “live” with Covid, do you mean businesses get more help with improving ventilation and sanitizing and sick leave for employees, improving access to quality tests and masks, or do you just mean who cares about the thousands of people dying daily and those ending up with long Covid or life long lasting impacts? That is a such a valid question. By some posts, by some peas, one would get the impression that they'd rather have no in-betweens. In their world it appears that they either want people to die from Covid or not get it at all. They have no patience for "that grey area" where those who get infected have milder symptoms and survive (thanks to the vaccines). It's a view I just cannot wrap my brain around.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 11, 2022 21:34:01 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 11, 2022 21:51:27 GMT
Why would anyone be against “lessening the effects” of an illness? So when you want to just get back out there and “live” with Covid, do you mean businesses get more help with improving ventilation and sanitizing and sick leave for employees, improving access to quality tests and masks, or do you just mean who cares about the thousands of people dying daily and those ending up with long Covid or life long lasting impacts? That is a such a valid question. By some posts, by some peas, one would get the impression that they'd rather have no in-betweens. In their world it appears that they either want people to die from Covid or not get it at all. They have no patience for "that grey area" where those who get infected have milder symptoms and survive (thanks to the vaccines). It's a view I just cannot wrap my brain around. They really don’t. This thinking showed up in snarky meme form, in my FB feed today. So because omicron is so much more contagious, my vaxxed and boostered chances of getting it have increased, it somehow renders a vaccine that will STILL more that likely keep me from dying or needing hospitalization, as completely useless? Sterilizing immunity exists with very few vaccines, even the current polio one - which has been effective enough without it to eradicate it in almost all countries.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 21:54:12 GMT
With the 2 dimensional thinking you tend to use, this doesn't surprise me.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 11, 2022 21:58:35 GMT
With the 2 dimensional thinking you tend to use, this doesn't surprise me. What lies are being told today or since President Biden took office about COVID-19? Enlighten us.
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Post by alitheia on Jan 11, 2022 22:00:16 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I am in the grey area honestly! I choose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available for my group for my personal family situation. Everyone in my immediate family is vaccinated (one exception). With that said, since mid November my step-daughter, sister, brother-in-law, nephew, brother, sister-in-law, niece and her husband have all tested positive, or currently have Covid. I thought I might have it right before Thanksgiving, was PCR tested with a negative result in 36 hours. What I am truly more concerned about is the education our children. Kinders, 1st and 2nd graders who have never seen their teacher's faces. Our newly minted HS freshman and sophomores who don't know how to be students in High School. All of the exacerbation of mental health issues from isolation, drug addictions and overdoses, suicides . . . all because of social isolation. How were are short on health care workers, bus drivers, substitute teachers, and almost every service sector does not have enough workers?
Did the former administration lie? Or was not as much information known about Covid 19. Does the current administration lie . . . Fauci? What other democrats have "done as they want" Gavin Newsom, Pompeo, Feinstein, Pelosi, disgraced Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.
Look at our economy, gas prices and groceries are sky rocketing, supply chains are severely compromised. It's time to look around and come together, to help each other, to be kind, to have personal responsibility. If you are sick, STAY HOME! If you are exposed, quarantine for 5 days (actually did a 14 day quarantine early on). I've done all of those.
And yes I started this thread to see where the rabbit hole would go. I am obviously not a fan of the current administration, the inflation, and mandates. But I've followed them nonetheless. I wasn't necessarily a fan of the past administration, but at least we had workers who did their jobs, we were energy self sufficient, and our bill of rights was protected.
Look at countries and areas that have followed the common sense rule of thumb. The Amish here in the US, South Dakota, Sweden, etc. Read the studies coming out of Israel . . . that native immunity (from having covid) conveys a stronger immunity for longer. Covid is not going away, but how it effects our country and world can be changed.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 22:03:26 GMT
With the 2 dimensional thinking you tend to use, this doesn't surprise me. What lies are being told today or since President Biden took office about COVID-19? Enlighten us. I have no further time to give someone you, who actively wishes death on people who don't agree with you. In the movie Avengers Endgame Thanos had this glove that held the infinity stones and when he snapped his fingers wearing the glove 1/2 of the population just disappeared. Do you think we get that glove and snap our fingers and these fools will disappear? At this point I think it’s worth a try.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 11, 2022 22:05:07 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I am in the grey area honestly! I choose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available for my group for my personal family situation. Everyone in my immediate family is vaccinated (one exception). With that said, since mid November my step-daughter, sister, brother-in-law, nephew, brother, sister-in-law, niece and her husband have all tested positive, or currently have Covid. I thought I might have it right before Thanksgiving, was PCR tested with a negative result in 36 hours. What I am truly more concerned about is the education our children. Kinders, 1st and 2nd graders who have never seen their teacher's faces. Our newly minted HS freshman and sophomores who don't know how to be students in High School. All of the exacerbation of mental health issues from isolation, drug addictions and overdoses, suicides . . . all because of social isolation. How were are short on health care workers, bus drivers, substitute teachers, and almost every service sector does not have enough workers?
Did the former administration lie? Or was not as much information known about Covid 19. Does the current administration lie . . . Fauci? What other democrats have "done as they want" Gavin Newsom, Pompeo, Feinstein, Pelosi, disgraced Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.
Look at our economy, gas prices and groceries are sky rocketing, supply chains are severely compromised. It's time to look around and come together, to help each other, to be kind, to have personal responsibility. If you are sick, STAY HOME! If you are exposed, quarantine for 5 days (actually did a 14 day quarantine early on). I've done all of those.
And yes I started this thread to see where the rabbit hole would go. I am obviously not a fan of the current administration, the inflation, and mandates. But I've followed them nonetheless. I wasn't necessarily a fan of the past administration, but at least we had workers who did their jobs, we were energy self sufficient, and our bill of rights was protected.
Look at countries and areas that have followed the common sense rule of thumb. The Amish here in the US, South Dakota, Sweden, etc. Read the studies coming out of Israel . . . that native immunity (from having covid) conveys a stronger immunity for longer. Covid is not going away, but how it effects our country and world can be changed.
Trump lied. Knowingly and repeatedly. The man is pathological liar though. I suppose that excuses him. He can’t help himself. Yes, carry on.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 11, 2022 22:05:24 GMT
Just exactly what opinion are you thanking me for? The information about the clinical trials on your favorite drug? That’s not my opinion that is data from the most recent trial. Is it not taking drugs that haven’t been approved by the FDA? If it is, that’s just common sense. That falls into the category of not eating mushrooms you find in nature without knowing what type they are or putting your hand over an open flame or jumping off a cliff and expecting to survive.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 22:07:49 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I am in the grey area honestly! I choose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available for my group for my personal family situation. Everyone in my immediate family is vaccinated (one exception). With that said, since mid November my step-daughter, sister, brother-in-law, nephew, brother, sister-in-law, niece and her husband have all tested positive, or currently have Covid. I thought I might have it right before Thanksgiving, was PCR tested with a negative result in 36 hours. What I am truly more concerned about is the education our children. Kinders, 1st and 2nd graders who have never seen their teacher's faces. Our newly minted HS freshman and sophomores who don't know how to be students in High School. All of the exacerbation of mental health issues from isolation, drug addictions and overdoses, suicides . . . all because of social isolation. How were are short on health care workers, bus drivers, substitute teachers, and almost every service sector does not have enough workers?
Did the former administration lie? Or was not as much information known about Covid 19. Does the current administration lie . . . Fauci? What other democrats have "done as they want" Gavin Newsom, Pompeo, Feinstein, Pelosi, disgraced Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.
Look at our economy, gas prices and groceries are sky rocketing, supply chains are severely compromised. It's time to look around and come together, to help each other, to be kind, to have personal responsibility. If you are sick, STAY HOME! If you are exposed, quarantine for 5 days (actually did a 14 day quarantine early on). I've done all of those.
And yes I started this thread to see where the rabbit hole would go. I am obviously not a fan of the current administration, the inflation, and mandates. But I've followed them nonetheless. I wasn't necessarily a fan of the past administration, but at least we had workers who did their jobs, we were energy self sufficient, and our bill of rights was protected.
Look at countries and areas that have followed the common sense rule of thumb. The Amish here in the US, South Dakota, Sweden, etc. Read the studies coming out of Israel . . . that native immunity (from having covid) conveys a stronger immunity for longer. Covid is not going away, but how it effects our country and world can be changed.
Trump lied. Knowingly and repeatedly. The man is pathological liar though. I suppose that excuses him. He can’t help himself. Yes, carry on. Say it with me: TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT
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Post by Merge on Jan 11, 2022 22:08:41 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I am in the grey area honestly! I choose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available for my group for my personal family situation. Everyone in my immediate family is vaccinated (one exception). With that said, since mid November my step-daughter, sister, brother-in-law, nephew, brother, sister-in-law, niece and her husband have all tested positive, or currently have Covid. I thought I might have it right before Thanksgiving, was PCR tested with a negative result in 36 hours. What I am truly more concerned about is the education our children. Kinders, 1st and 2nd graders who have never seen their teacher's faces. Our newly minted HS freshman and sophomores who don't know how to be students in High School. All of the exacerbation of mental health issues from isolation, drug addictions and overdoses, suicides . . . all because of social isolation. How were are short on health care workers, bus drivers, substitute teachers, and almost every service sector does not have enough workers?
Did the former administration lie? Or was not as much information known about Covid 19. Does the current administration lie . . . Fauci? What other democrats have "done as they want" Gavin Newsom, Pompeo, Feinstein, Pelosi, disgraced Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.
Look at our economy, gas prices and groceries are sky rocketing, supply chains are severely compromised. It's time to look around and come together, to help each other, to be kind, to have personal responsibility. If you are sick, STAY HOME! If you are exposed, quarantine for 5 days (actually did a 14 day quarantine early on). I've done all of those.
And yes I started this thread to see where the rabbit hole would go. I am obviously not a fan of the current administration, the inflation, and mandates. But I've followed them nonetheless. I wasn't necessarily a fan of the past administration, but at least we had workers who did their jobs, we were energy self sufficient, and our bill of rights was protected.
Look at countries and areas that have followed the common sense rule of thumb. The Amish here in the US, South Dakota, Sweden, etc. Read the studies coming out of Israel . . . that native immunity (from having covid) conveys a stronger immunity for longer. Covid is not going away, but how it effects our country and world can be changed.
So when you’re shown to be wrong, you want now to back up and say you were playing devil’s advocate. Sure. If you can’t understand the benefit of prevention vs treatment after the fact, you need to go back and revisit those science books. If you “get the mortality rates are different” (and presumably you also get that the long term effects can be very different), you’d have to monumentally stupid not to want to prevent this disease rather than waiting around for treatments. Your views on the last administration vs. this one come from a deep well of misinformation. You might want to look into that. Oh and holding up the idiots running South Dakota as some kind of common sense model is laughable. That makes as much sense as saying that the leaders of Texas and Florida have done a great job. Pay fucking attention.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 11, 2022 22:19:53 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I’ve been thinking about this lately. At some point (if the gods are with us) this will be a more manageable illness and the mandates will be lessened or altogether dropped. And people will then be able to decide (without outside input) whether they want the (hopefully once yearly) vaccine. But, we’re not there yet, and to pretend that we are does everyone a disservice. Should we hope and plan for that day, absolutely! But the scientists don’t know enough about Covid yet to PREDICT the prevalent strains for the upcoming season. I’m mean it’s going to be 3 more months until a vaccine for Omicron will be ready to be distributed. Should the world expect therapeutics? Yes, absolutely. But they just aren’t there yet. Until a time when the illness is more predictable and therapeutics are effective, widely available, and (hopefully) affordable, I personally am fine with vaccine mandates.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 11, 2022 22:20:10 GMT
Trump lied. Knowingly and repeatedly. The man is pathological liar though. I suppose that excuses him. He can’t help himself. Yes, carry on. Say it with me: TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT No but he was the president when COVID first reached our shores and his incompetence that he showed in the handling of the virus at the beginning along with him and his buddies politicizing the handling of the virus is one of the main reasons this country has to constantly play catch up two + years into this pandemic.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 11, 2022 22:32:03 GMT
Say it with me: TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT No but he was the president when COVID first reached our shores and his incompetence that he showed in the handling of the virus at the beginning along with him and his buddies politicizing the handling of the virus is one of the main reasons this country has to constantly play catch up two + years into this pandemic. Not only is he the former president and his incompetence in handling the virus is relevant, regrettably, he’s the head of the Republican Party. Republican politicians are tripping over themselves for his approval. DeSantis and Abbott are competing to see who can do more to stop all mitigation measures. Both of them are huge proponents of let em rip, Trump’s only strategy in the summer of 2020. As soon as Republican voters and politicians turn on Trump, I’m willing to dismiss him. Until then, like it or not, he’s still relevant.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 22:35:16 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I’ve been thinking about this lately. At some point (if the gods are with us) this will be a more manageable illness and the mandates will be lessened or altogether dropped. And people will then be able to decide (without outside input) whether they want the (hopefully once yearly) vaccine. But, we’re not there yet, and to pretend that we are does everyone a disservice. Should we hope and plan for that day, absolutely! But the scientists don’t know enough about Covid yet to PREDICT the prevalent strains for the upcoming season. I’m mean it’s going to be 3 more months until a vaccine for Omicron will be ready to be distributed. Should the world expect therapeutics? Yes, absolutely. But they just aren’t there yet. Until a time when the illness is more predictable and therapeutics are effective, widely available, and (hopefully) affordable, I personally am fine with vaccine mandates. They can't even predict the flu: www.cnn.com/2021/12/16/health/flu-vaccine-mismatch/index.html
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 11, 2022 22:36:48 GMT
My college degree is in science, and I have worked in the biotech field . . . yes they are working on other therapeutics, but the current administration is pushing forward on vaccine mandates for the very people who've worked through this entire pandemic before vaccines were available. Health care, first responders etc. The Covid vaccine is a bit like the flu vaccine, it's going to change every year, some choose to take the vaccine, some do not. But workers do not get fired for NOT taking the flu vaccine. I get the mortality rates are different. I am in the grey area honestly! I choose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available for my group for my personal family situation. Everyone in my immediate family is vaccinated (one exception). With that said, since mid November my step-daughter, sister, brother-in-law, nephew, brother, sister-in-law, niece and her husband have all tested positive, or currently have Covid. I thought I might have it right before Thanksgiving, was PCR tested with a negative result in 36 hours. What I am truly more concerned about is the education our children. Kinders, 1st and 2nd graders who have never seen their teacher's faces. Our newly minted HS freshman and sophomores who don't know how to be students in High School. All of the exacerbation of mental health issues from isolation, drug addictions and overdoses, suicides . . . all because of social isolation. How were are short on health care workers, bus drivers, substitute teachers, and almost every service sector does not have enough workers?
Did the former administration lie? Or was not as much information known about Covid 19. Does the current administration lie . . . Fauci? What other democrats have "done as they want" Gavin Newsom, Pompeo, Feinstein, Pelosi, disgraced Andrew Cuomo just to name a few.
Look at our economy, gas prices and groceries are sky rocketing, supply chains are severely compromised. It's time to look around and come together, to help each other, to be kind, to have personal responsibility. If you are sick, STAY HOME! If you are exposed, quarantine for 5 days (actually did a 14 day quarantine early on). I've done all of those.
And yes I started this thread to see where the rabbit hole would go. I am obviously not a fan of the current administration, the inflation, and mandates. But I've followed them nonetheless. I wasn't necessarily a fan of the past administration, but at least we had workers who did their jobs, we were energy self sufficient, and our bill of rights was protected.
Look at countries and areas that have followed the common sense rule of thumb. The Amish here in the US, South Dakota, Sweden, etc. Read the studies coming out of Israel . . . that native immunity (from having covid) conveys a stronger immunity for longer. Covid is not going away, but how it effects our country and world can be changed.
Repeat after me. Covid and the flu are not the same, so stop trying to compare them. False equivalency, False comparison, false conclusion. As far as first responders & health care providers and requirements to get the vaccine- they work with our most vulnerable populations and have a responsibility to get vaccinated. Don’t agree? Then find another job. If you’re not willing to put the greater good above your own selfish desires or personal freedoms, then maybe emergency services or health care is not the right field for you anyway. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. And for the record, vaccine mandates do work. Most workers when faced with an economic choice, get the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 22:37:07 GMT
They keep getting schooled when they come over here w/innuendo and half-truths. Yet they keep spreading them.
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Post by jayfab on Jan 11, 2022 22:38:09 GMT
Trump lied. Knowingly and repeatedly. The man is pathological liar though. I suppose that excuses him. He can’t help himself. Yes, carry on. Say it with me: TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT Say it with me. IF TRUMP WOULD HAVE DONE HIS J.O.B. WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. There would be loads less anti-vaxers and possibly MANY lives saved.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 22:38:34 GMT
No but he was the president when COVID first reached our shores and his incompetence that he showed in the handling of the virus at the beginning along with him and his buddies politicizing the handling of the virus is one of the main reasons this country has to constantly play catch up two + years into this pandemic. Not only is he the former president and his incompetence in handling the virus is relevant, regrettably, he’s the head of the Republican Party. Republican politicians are tripping over themselves for his approval. DeSantis and Abbott are competing to see who can do more to stop all mitigation measures. Both of them are huge proponents of let em rip, Trump’s only strategy in the summer of 2020. As soon as Republican voters and politicians turn on Trump, I’m willing to dismiss him. Until then, like it or not, he’s still relevant. I remember when Trump wanted to close the borders in January 2020 and he was ridiculed as a xenophobe.
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Post by anonaname on Jan 11, 2022 22:41:50 GMT
Say it with me: TRUMP ISN'T THE PRESIDENT Say it with me. IF TRUMP WOULD HAVE DONE HIS J.O.B. WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. There would be loads less anti-vaxers and possibly MANY lives saved. Trump is FOR the vaccine, you know that right? He got all of them. Operation "Warp Speed" and all that. He even actively encourages people to get them. How do you blame him for people who don't want the jab?
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Post by cindosha on Jan 11, 2022 22:45:47 GMT
That is a such a valid question. By some posts, by some peas, one would get the impression that they'd rather have no in-betweens. In their world it appears that they either want people to die from Covid or not get it at all. They have no patience for "that grey area" where those who get infected have milder symptoms and survive (thanks to the vaccines). It's a view I just cannot wrap my brain around. They really don’t. This thinking showed up in snarky meme form, in my FB feed today. So because omicron is so much more contagious, my vaxxed and boostered chances of getting it have increased, it somehow renders a vaccine that will STILL more that likely keep me from dying or needing hospitalization, as completely useless? Sterilizing immunity exists with very few vaccines, even the current polio one - which has been effective enough without it to eradicate it in almost all countries. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that if you get Covid you’re going to end up on ventilator or die from it. We have morons who are so afraid of getting Covid even though they’re vaccinated and boosted and masked that they put their own children in the trunks of cars and drive them to a testing station to get tested because they’re afraid of catching it from their child. WTF!! between 97% and 99.5% of people survive Covid and they have since the beginning of this pandemic. Do you want to stay out of hospitals ?? get off your fat ass and exercise, lose some weight, quit smoking, quit drinking, quit eating fast food and get healthy. For the vast majority of people, this omicron variant is nothing more than a cold and sniffles and people are losing their shit over it. There is a 2% death rate and those are people with co-morbidities or unvaxed. If you are vaccinated and boosted, quit worrying about this. You can’t blame unvaccinated people for giving “you” Covid anymore. It can be spread by people that are vaccinated and masked. We need to get back to just living our lives like we should be, get people back into their jobs, get children back in school, we are doing them a huge disservice by them not being in the classrooms. Let’s hope this trend continues and the next variant in the variants after that are weaker and weaker and weaker.
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