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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 1:05:23 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 1:05:23 GMT
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Post by anonaname on Jan 12, 2022 1:06:30 GMT
My numbers are quoted directly from www.weforum.org/, you know, the World Economic Forum, and they're global numbers, not just USA. You would have seen that had you bothered to look at the link. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 12, 2022 1:09:35 GMT
My numbers are quoted directly from www.weforum.org/, you know, the World Economic Forum, and they're global numbers, not just USA. You would have seen that had you bothered to look at the link. Please go back and read my ETA. You quoted worldwide death statistics in response to a claim about U.S. COVID deaths. They are not comparable and you are being misleading at best. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 1:09:53 GMT
My numbers are quoted directly from www.weforum.org/, you know, the World Economic Forum, and they're global numbers, not just USA. You would have seen that had you bothered to look at the link. Again apples vs oranges if you're trying to compare US deaths from covid to worldwide deaths From the CDC heart disease deaths per day - 1805 www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:15:01 GMT
Where did you get your data? It is waaayyyy off! In 2019, on average, about 8000 people per day died from ALL causes in the US. From the article: As of January 6, 2022, an average of 1,192 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th the year before. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. Based on the latest information, roughly one in seven deaths each day were related to COVID-19 between January 2020 and January 2022. However, there were even days when more than every second death in the U.S. was connected to COVID-19. The daily death toll from the seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, stood at an average of around 332 people.And if you are wondering about the bias in the numbers cited, Statista is rated as "Least biased." |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:16:59 GMT
My numbers are quoted directly from www.weforum.org/, you know, the World Economic Forum, and they're global numbers, not just USA. You would have seen that had you bothered to look at the link. It's kind of silly to cite global numbers that include countries with poor access to healthcare when we are talking about US policy. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 1:17:06 GMT
You are such a joy. I’m thinking single and staying that way. the current death rate from omicron is 2% which makes it probably under 100 people. Omicron is going to help with natural immunity because so many are getting it and so few are dying from it. You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 12, 2022 1:21:17 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 12, 2022 1:21:19 GMT
Several points come to mind. None of those diseases are contagious and none of them have led to hospital ICU units across the country being overloaded and hospital workers left exhausted. And none of them have a vaccine available which would lessen the symptoms. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:22:07 GMT
2% of the American population is 6.6 million people dead. You cool with that? I realize you don’t give a shit about any individual person, but how do you think our workforce will look when it’s missing 6.6 million people, and another several million are disabled with long Covid? You can make stupid comments all day about supposed over counting if Covid deaths, but the excess mortality numbers don’t lie. Read it again Einstein. 2% of people with omicron have died. I’m pretty sure 6.6 million have not died of omicron in the US. Haha. Nice try tho. But I thought you conservatives were all about EVERYONE getting it so we would have herd immunity? Wouldn't that translate to 6.6 million deaths? |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 1:23:21 GMT
You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. News Flash - We're all tired of covid. But ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Those of us that take it seriously and wear masks, get boosters etc are not living in fear. And I disagree that no one gave a crap. The number of people involved in Sandy Hook promise and other organizations like that suggest otherwise. Or the number of people that get CPR certified, donate to the American Heart Association, participate in breast cancer awareness month etc suggest otherwise too. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 1:26:52 GMT
Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. News Flash - We're all tired of covid. But ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Those of us that take it seriously and wear masks, get boosters etc are not living in fear.And I disagree that no one gave a crap. The number of people involved in Sandy Hook promise and other organizations like that suggest otherwise. Or the number of people that get CPR certified, donate to the American Heart Association, participate in breast cancer awareness month etc suggest otherwise too. You’ve gotta be kidding me. There is so much fear it’s palpable. And it’s foisted on everyone else. |
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Post by carhoch on Jan 12, 2022 1:26:57 GMT
according to Fox News, Viagra is the new miracle cure for Covid. So if your Covid doesn't go away after 4 hours, seek medical treatment? Die hard  |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:27:56 GMT
But if they test positive, they need to be quarantined from patients who test negative, so they do impact hospital capacity in the amount of care they need. Maybe patients could be split into three groups: COVID negative, COVID positive primary, and COVID positive secondary, with the last group including those who are not there specifically for COVID treatment. Then, if during their hospital stay, they end up needing COVID treatment, the classification would change to COVID positive primary. But for now, these patients are reported as COVID positive for a reason. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 1:28:58 GMT
If I read one more non-teacher get up in this place and "worry" about education while at the same time talking out the other side of their mouth about "don't push the vaccine" and "it's just a flu" I'm going to launch myself like a missile into outer space and never return. Vaccines should be required for staff and all students to stop the spread of COVID, which is deadlier than the flu and has far more serious long term effects (including on children), such as higher risk for diabetes and brain damage. If you care about kids' education, care about THAT. Maybe children have mental health issues because one or more family members have been ill or died from COVID, or are suffering long term health problems. What are you doing and what politicians are you voting for who support greater community resources, including health care and more funding for schools? Talk about THAT before I hear you utter ONE FUCKING WORD about masks in schools and kids not "seeing teachers' faces." Signed, a teacher of 25 years teaching in the global pandemic ETA: I hope you signed up to sub in your local school district since you're concerned about sub teacher shortage. FYI: I am a substitute already, have been for the last 15 years, and yes I've worked during the pandemic. And Actually I have worked the last 5 DAYS! Three for bereavement (not covid related), one for jury duty, one for professional development. I taught full time from 1982-2004. I have every right to worry about the education of our children! They are the future, they are having mental health problems due to social isolation as well as other issues. Are you alithea? I don't think Sock Monkey was referring to you in her post And we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can be concerned about covid and mental health. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 1:30:50 GMT
News Flash - We're all tired of covid. But ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Those of us that take it seriously and wear masks, get boosters etc are not living in fear.And I disagree that no one gave a crap. The number of people involved in Sandy Hook promise and other organizations like that suggest otherwise. Or the number of people that get CPR certified, donate to the American Heart Association, participate in breast cancer awareness month etc suggest otherwise too. You’ve gotta be kidding me. There is so much fear it’s palpable. And it’s foisted on everyone else. You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:32:51 GMT
You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. Wow. You are just dripping with compassion. I am not worried so much about myself. I survived COVID in December 2020 (although I have never been sicker in my life, and quite honestly, I still have lingering respiratory issues). I am double-vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask. If I get Omicron, I'm sure I will survive. But my 57 yo diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same goes for my 85 yo mother. So you just go on living your life as carefree as can be without any concern in the world for anyone around you. I am not ashamed of having a healthy level of "fear" or concern that causes me to take precautions to keep my loved ones safe. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 1:37:38 GMT
You’ve gotta be kidding me. There is so much fear it’s palpable. And it’s foisted on everyone else. You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:37:54 GMT
And for all those who are so worried about our children's education and the effects of COVID precautions on their mental health.... Are you also concerned about the negative effects on their mental health caused by high-stakes testing? It's kind of ironic that teachers have been raising this issue for years about meaningless tests the only purpose of which is to validate conservative cuts to educational funding. And yet when precautions are put in place to slow the spread of a deadly disease, all of a sudden they are concerned about mental health. ETA: COVID may have amplified student mental health issues, but it certainly didn't cause them. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 1:38:23 GMT
You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. OK! The pandemic is over because you want it to end. My husband and kids want you to go jump in a lake. Can we make that happen, too? (I’m sick of having right-wing stupidity shoved in my face all day, every day, everywhere I go. Sucks, huh?) |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 12, 2022 1:39:14 GMT
But if they test positive, they need to be quarantined from patients who test negative, so they do impact hospital capacity in the amount of care they need. Maybe patients could be split into three groups: COVID negative, COVID positive primary, and COVID positive secondary, with the last group including those who are not there specifically for COVID treatment. Then, if during their hospital stay, they end up needing COVID treatment, the classification would change to COVID positive primary. But for now, these patients are reported as COVID positive for a reason. The impact on staff is certainly a fair point and I have no issue with tracking them for that purpose. I do think a distinction from hospitalized FOR covid is important particularly as we try and understand the severity of different variants. |
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Post by lesley on Jan 12, 2022 1:40:11 GMT
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Post by jayfab on Jan 12, 2022 1:40:12 GMT
There are NO vaccines TO PREVENT DYING for cardiovascular disease, cancer or resp disease. Try again. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 1:40:28 GMT
Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. Wow. You are just dripping with compassion. I am not worried so much about myself. I survived COVID in December 2020 (although I have never been sicker in my life, and quite honestly, I still have lingering respiratory issues). I am double-vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask. If I get Omicron, I'm sure I will survive. But my 57 yo diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same goes for my 85 yo mother. So you just go on living your life as carefree as can be without any concern in the world for anyone around you. I am not ashamed of having a healthy level of fear that causes me to take precautions to keep my loved ones safe. But my diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same with my 85 year old mother. I will. You do you and I’ll do me. Your family is not my personal concern as mine is not yours. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 1:42:02 GMT
And for all those who are so worried about our children's education and the effects of COVID precautions on their mental health.... Are you also concerned about the negative effects on their mental health caused by high-stakes testing? It's kind of ironic that teachers have been raising this issue for years about meaningless tests the only purpose of which is to validate conservative cuts to educational funding. And yet when precautions are put in place to slow the spread of a deadly disease, all of a sudden they are concerned about mental health. ETA: COVID may have amplified student mental health issues, but it certainly didn't cause them. Yeah, this sudden interest in the mental health and well-being of kids in public schools is heartwarming, truly. I suppose it’s too much to hope that those so concerned will start voting for leaders who actually give a shit about kids after they exit the womb. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 1:44:12 GMT
Wow. You are just dripping with compassion. I am not worried so much about myself. I survived COVID in December 2020 (although I have never been sicker in my life, and quite honestly, I still have lingering respiratory issues). I am double-vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask. If I get Omicron, I'm sure I will survive. But my 57 yo diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same goes for my 85 yo mother. So you just go on living your life as carefree as can be without any concern in the world for anyone around you. I am not ashamed of having a healthy level of fear that causes me to take precautions to keep my loved ones safe. But my diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same with my 85 year old mother. I will. You do you and I’ll do me. Your family is not my personal concern as mine is not yours. “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers …” Oh, wait - that’s a Christian verse. You’re not a Christian, are you? Because that would be weird. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 12, 2022 1:44:48 GMT
Wow. You are just dripping with compassion. I am not worried so much about myself. I survived COVID in December 2020 (although I have never been sicker in my life, and quite honestly, I still have lingering respiratory issues). I am double-vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask. If I get Omicron, I'm sure I will survive. But my 57 yo diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same goes for my 85 yo mother. So you just go on living your life as carefree as can be without any concern in the world for anyone around you. I am not ashamed of having a healthy level of fear that causes me to take precautions to keep my loved ones safe. But my diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same with my 85 year old mother. I will. You do you and I’ll do me. Your family is not my personal concern as mine is not yours. "Compassionate conservatives" my ass. It has taken a pandemic for you to show your true colors. |
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Post by jayfab on Jan 12, 2022 1:46:25 GMT
You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. So basically you couldn't give a crap if your fellow Americans die. How compassionate and Christian. |
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Post by jayfab on Jan 12, 2022 1:53:12 GMT
Say it with me. IF TRUMP WOULD HAVE DONE HIS J.O.B. WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. There would be loads less anti-vaxers and possibly MANY lives saved. Trump is FOR the vaccine, you know that right? He got all of them. Operation "Warp Speed" and all that. He even actively encourages people to get them. How do you blame him for people who don't want the jab? Haha. Nope, nope nope. In early 2020 he said covid would just go away, by Easter as a matter of fact. He didn't want testing cuz it will hurt his poll numbers. He was not FOR the vaccine until recently, which is too late. How about is mask usage. I clearly remember him coming out of the hospital and taking it off in front of his staff, no regards to their safety. Listen to his tv channel, they all are anti vaxers, parroting his wishes. He clearly didn't do his job. |
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