peasquared
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Post by peasquared on Jan 12, 2022 1:53:44 GMT
To those of you worrying about the mental health of the students, what do you think training for an active shooter does to those very same students? Learning how to hide from someone wanting to shoot you? That doesn't seem to be a concern for you.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 12, 2022 1:54:56 GMT
Wow. You are just dripping with compassion. I am not worried so much about myself. I survived COVID in December 2020 (although I have never been sicker in my life, and quite honestly, I still have lingering respiratory issues). I am double-vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask. If I get Omicron, I'm sure I will survive. But my 57 yo diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same goes for my 85 yo mother. So you just go on living your life as carefree as can be without any concern in the world for anyone around you. I am not ashamed of having a healthy level of fear that causes me to take precautions to keep my loved ones safe. But my diabetic brother with multiple disabilities? He might not. Same with my 85 year old mother. I will. You do you and I’ll do me. Your family is not my personal concern as mine is not yours. This right here is a big part of the problem. This is why some people won’t take precautions for Covid. They are only concerned about themselves and their family. In a pandemic, it’s optimal to have a bit of concern for one’s fellow citizens.
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Post by elaine on Jan 12, 2022 1:58:26 GMT
Well, people were wondering who the “new” pea alitheia was before, as she seemed to have a lot of board knowledge for a newbie.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 12, 2022 2:06:53 GMT
Well, people were wondering who the “new” pea alitheia was before, as she seemed to have a lot of board knowledge for a newbie. Thanks for the explanation. I know nothing about alters, and I was confused! 🤦♀️
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 2:14:02 GMT
You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. Suggesting that fear is palpable is deciding how others feel. And it's blatantly obvious that you don't give two craps about anyone but yourself.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 12, 2022 2:31:13 GMT
You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. WE ALL DO. Do you think that is not the case, I mean really?!? Unfortunately wanting and wishing doesn’t make it so.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 12, 2022 2:39:32 GMT
? Did something get deleted?
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 2:40:08 GMT
FYI: I am a substitute already, have been for the last 15 years, and yes I've worked during the pandemic. And Actually I have worked the last 5 DAYS! Three for bereavement (not covid related), one for jury duty, one for professional development. I taught full time from 1982-2004. I have every right to worry about the education of our children! They are the future, they are having mental health problems due to social isolation as well as other issues. Are you alithea? I don't think Sock Monkey was referring to you in her post And we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can be concerned about covid and mental health. angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted? How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way? How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries? Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school. The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words.
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Jan 12, 2022 2:43:37 GMT
I so very much enjoy when an alter outs themselves.. lol
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Post by MichyM on Jan 12, 2022 2:47:11 GMT
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Post by elaine on Jan 12, 2022 3:11:27 GMT
? Did something get deleted Angel responded to a post of Sock’s where Sock was responding directly to Alitheia (quoted and all), and in her post she responded as though Sock had been talking to her, even though Angel hadn’t yet posted on the thread. Not surprised she deleted. eta: should have read the responses between yours and the end of the thread before responding. Sorry, aj2hall for the redundancy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 3:17:41 GMT
You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 3:31:59 GMT
I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 3:44:04 GMT
Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad. You sound like my kid having a tantrum. I don't have the patience or the energy to deal with people like you. Go on with your bad self.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 12, 2022 3:50:13 GMT
Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad. What snowflake, Seriously. The way some people act because they are asked to wear a mask you would think they had been asked to cut off a limb. And wearing masks do make a difference. But hey you do you ❄️
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 12, 2022 3:53:31 GMT
Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad. Most days I feel like I’m suffocating. Because with my long Covid it’s a struggle to keep my oxygen levels in the low 90s. And when I go somewhere, I still manage to wear a mask. 🙄
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Jan 12, 2022 3:59:26 GMT
I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad. The fucking entitlement. 🤦🏼♀️
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 12, 2022 3:59:42 GMT
I love the smell of napalm alters outing themselves in the morning.
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angel97701
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Post by angel97701 on Jan 12, 2022 4:35:07 GMT
Are you alithea? I don't think Sock Monkey was referring to you in her post And we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can be concerned about covid and mental health. angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. You seem to believe that all Republicans think the same, as a long time teacher I've always had concern for student's academic, mental, and physical health. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/I am not sure how this relates to being conservative or a liberal, I think we are all concerned about school shootings, both lock-in and lock-down. We've done the same for fire drills, bomb threats, etc over the years. I've been in all of these types of drills, real earthquakes, and real fires in the building one in my ancient chemistry classroom too! Unbelievably I was in a two hour lock down while subbing on 12/9, just over a month ago, even had two police officers and the superintendent remove a student from where we were locked in the ceramics kiln room to question him. Believe me the students I was in lock down with last month were on their phones staying informed about what was happening on the campus. They were concerned but in general felt safe. As the students were escorted from the building the state police, county sheriffs, and local police department were there in full force with full armament. This all started 30 minutes after lunch and went up to end of school! I worked at the same school the following day for a different teacher and had discussions with each class. In general the student consensus was they would rather be uncomfortable, complete the drill as trained, than deal with what happened in Oxford, MI just 2 weeks before. I've also heard gunshots outside of my classroom back in 2002, and was in a 3 hour lock down, pulled in one student from the hall . . . the one who had been shot in gang related shooting and was a paraplegic. The shooter had been a student in in my classroom the year before. Was it important to debrief with the students and adults? Was I concerned for the students when TikTok had warnings of school shootings right before Christmas. I have a student in HS myself. www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted?I worked in a school for 6 years that was 80% students of color, and recent immigrants. Book censure has not been an issue in my state and I do validate students who choose to use different pronouns than their ones from birth. I have students come up to me and tell me that they prefer a different gendered name when I call roll as a sub. How is this not considered valuing their choices. As a teacher it is not my responsibility to change their opinions about themselves. Yes, these are my personal opinions! How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. Inclusion is important, but what to CRT really teaching? www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way?Yes Trump did this and was it right? No! Have previous and current administrations done the same thing, I believe so. How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries?I do not believe that this is true, to reduce school spending, and being a teacher don't you think I would be incensed that my salary is reduced? One year I worked 10 days for free to keep our schools open until the end of the year. Our union agreed to that because the city kicked in 10 days worth of funding. Yes, my salary was decreased for four months, but it was a statewide issue, not a conservative republican issue. As with most teachers in our state that year I took a summer job to make ends meet. Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics?What about the mental health of the young women who are being denied the access to biological equity? Young women who have worked and practiced hard all their lives and then get bumped off the podium? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school.How do you justify saying that all republicans vote against programs to reduce child poverty and pre-school programs? The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. What makes me said is the lack of compassion and the division in our country, the us vs them based on political beliefs. It has not always been this way, but is trending more in this direction. I did stir the pot to see how many directions peas here on the NSBR board would take the discussion.
But back to the original thought of the OP, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez did go on vacation while her constituents were dealing with Covid. Did she get it in NY? Or while out partying unmasked in a state that has different rules than her own? Or did she get it once she got home? None of these questions have been brought up in this discussion. Interesting how it went down the different talking points.
Why did I bring up my sister? Because it has it very close to home, and my parents are at risk at 82 and 95 with his Alzheimer progressing. This may be the last time our family was together, and I am thankful that we were able to do so. My sister/family must have picked it up somewhere else . . . because the rest of us are healthy.
Think about it ladies (and a few gentlemen here), would you speak like this to your colleagues, your superiors, those that you mentor?
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific!
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 4:37:21 GMT
I can’t decide if it’s delusional, arrogance or adolescent petulancy, that would make someone proud to make comments like that. Especially when the case has already been made that wishing something to be gone, doesn’t make it so.
Well and truly it’s the party of “fuck your feelings” clearly.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 4:39:41 GMT
angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. You seem to believe that all Republicans think the same, as a long time teacher I've always had concern for student's academic, mental, and physical health. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/I am not sure how this relates to being conservative or a liberal, I think we are all concerned about school shootings, both lock-in and lock-down. We've done the same for fire drills, bomb threats, etc over the years. I've been in all of these types of drills, real earthquakes, and real fires in the building one in my ancient chemistry classroom too! Unbelievably I was in a two hour lock down while subbing on 12/9, just over a month ago, even had two police officers and the superintendent remove a student from where we were locked in the ceramics kiln room to question him. Believe me the students I was in lock down with last month were on their phones staying informed about what was happening on the campus. They were concerned but in general felt safe. As the students were escorted from the building the state police, county sheriffs, and local police department were there in full force with full armament. This all started 30 minutes after lunch and went up to end of school! I worked at the same school the following day for a different teacher and had discussions with each class. In general the student consensus was they would rather be uncomfortable, complete the drill as trained, than deal with what happened in Oxford, MI just 2 weeks before. I've also heard gunshots outside of my classroom back in 2002, and was in a 3 hour lock down, pulled in one student from the hall . . . the one who had been shot in gang related shooting and was a paraplegic. The shooter had been a student in in my classroom the year before. Was it important to debrief with the students and adults? Was I concerned for the students when TikTok had warnings of school shootings right before Christmas. I have a student in HS myself. www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted?I worked in a school for 6 years that was 80% students of color, and recent immigrants. Book censure has not been an issue in my state and I do validate students who choose to use different pronouns than their ones from birth. I have students come up to me and tell me that they prefer a different gendered name when I call roll as a sub. How is this not considered valuing their choices. As a teacher it is not my responsibility to change their opinions about themselves. Yes, these are my personal opinions! How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. Inclusion is important, but what to CRT really teaching? www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way?Yes Trump did this and was it right? No! Have previous and current administrations done the same thing, I believe so. How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries?I do not believe that this is true, to reduce school spending, and being a teacher don't you think I would be incensed that my salary is reduced? One year I worked 10 days for free to keep our schools open until the end of the year. Our union agreed to that because the city kicked in 10 days worth of funding. Yes, my salary was decreased for four months, but it was a statewide issue, not a conservative republican issue. As with most teachers in our state that year I took a summer job to make ends meet. Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics?What about the mental health of the young women who are being denied the access to biological equity? Young women who have worked and practiced hard all their lives and then get bumped off the podium? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school.How do you justify saying that all republicans vote against programs to reduce child poverty and pre-school programs? The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. What makes me said is the lack of compassion and the division in our country, the us vs them based on political beliefs. It has not always been this way, but is trending more in this direction. I did stir the pot to see how many directions peas here on the NSBR board would take the discussion.
But back to the original thought of the OP, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez did go on vacation while her constituents were dealing with Covid. Did she get it in NY? Or while out partying unmasked in a state that has different rules than her own? Or did she get it once she got home? None of these questions have been brought up in this discussion. Interesting how it went down the different talking points.
Why did I bring up my sister? Because it has it very close to home, and my parents are at risk at 82 and 95 with his Alzheimer progressing. This may be the last time our family was together, and I am thankful that we were able to do so. My sister/family must have picked it up somewhere else . . . because the rest of us are healthy.
Think about it ladies (and a few gentlemen here), would you speak like this to your colleagues, your superiors, those that you mentor?
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific!
You could’ve just used this name. SMH. Looking at that history I can see why you’d previously chosen not to own any of it. 😏
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 4:43:03 GMT
I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. It’s staggering to me that they’re unable to grasp this very basic concept.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Jan 12, 2022 5:39:26 GMT
Our local hospital where my daughter works addressed this. Their numbers reported for covid patients each day come only from people being admitted for covid symptoms. If they are admitted bc of injuries from a car accident or admitted from surgery and they happen to test positive, it is not counted in that report. So the visuals show how many are taking up beds for covid. Of course the others still get counted in the regional health numbers.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 12, 2022 6:02:48 GMT
C’mon, dumbass. Think again. If everyone eventually gets Omicron, as seems likely, and 2% of those die … seems like a mandatory vaccine and wearing a mask to reduce those numbers would be a no-brainer. Oh, wait … forgot I’m talking to people who do not actually have a brain. You are such a joy. I’m thinking single and staying that way. the current death rate from omicron is 2% which makes it probably under 100 people. Omicron is going to help with natural immunity because so many are getting it and so few are dying from it. Yes because a lot of those not dying are the vaccinated (Which is what is expected). This would likely mean it is not really bumping up the immunity level as much as you might think. However as a person who works for a hospital it isn’t all sunshine and rainbows because “so few are dying from it”. It could be considered a shit show at our hospital because of the stress and high census from the many unvaccinated Covid patients that we have. Definitely not people that I would call true patriots or people that love America and fellow Americans. Instead they are people who only care about themselves, and they really don’t even do that because they are willing to die, cause chaos in the healthcare system, not make decision that are good for their communities, and spread some weird ass conspiracy shit because…not really sure why? I can’t do anything about it or change their minds but I certainly can roll my eyes and disagree when I see some of the arguments and reasonings given as to why all those trying to do what is right for mankind are sheep or whatever derogatory name they want to chant. 🤷♀️ By the way, what 2% of your family are you willing to sacrifice? The older generation? Your kids? Your grandkids? Oh I know, the cousins. 😉
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 12, 2022 6:38:05 GMT
C’mon, dumbass. Think again. If everyone eventually gets Omicron, as seems likely, and 2% of those die … seems like a mandatory vaccine and wearing a mask to reduce those numbers would be a no-brainer. Oh, wait … forgot I’m talking to people who do not actually have a brain. You are such a joy. I’m thinking single and staying that way. the current death rate from omicron is 2% which makes it probably under 100 people. Omicron is going to help with natural immunity because so many are getting it and so few are dying from it. What were you saying about “natural immunity “? From Nebraska Medicine. link“COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination”you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine? The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection. More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunityNatural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity. "Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting." A third of infections don't get any protective antibodiesSome people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19. "Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death. Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months. Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias. Natural immunity alone is weak One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone. "Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp. Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 12, 2022 6:43:53 GMT
That’s an odd thread title by some one who apparently was concerned that FL doesn’t have strong enough Covid protocols.
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Post by hookturnian on Jan 12, 2022 8:42:05 GMT
One can't compare global numbers with US numbers, didn't we cover this with the recent SC controversy? Lol. It hasn't even been a week and the peas have proven my point. There was even a link to the WORLD Economic Forum, but they just couldn't help themselves.
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Post by katiejane on Jan 12, 2022 10:12:25 GMT
OK, not a US pea so different perspective. Is the problem she broke the rules in Florida, or did she break the rules of another state because they are different in her constituency?
I thought it was common knowledge internationally that having the covid jab and boosters reduces the risk of serious complications from covid, which is qhy vunerable and those with other health conditions have been a priority for jabs. And for some strains there had been evidence that it has reduced infection rate. But I have never seen anywhere that it means you will not catch it.
Every one is fed up with Covid, but its still out there. I am not sure if masks will completely go away. I am not sure I ever want to sit crammed on a plane again without one.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 12, 2022 10:32:17 GMT
OK, not a US pea so different perspective. Is the problem she broke the rules in Florida, or did she break the rules of another state because they are different in her constituency? I thought it was common knowledge internationally that having the covid jab and boosters reduces the risk of serious complications from covid, which is qhy vunerable and those with other health conditions have been a priority for jabs. And for some strains there had been evidence that it has reduced infection rate. But I have never seen anywhere that it means you will not catch it. Every one is fed up with Covid, but its still out there. I am not sure if masks will completely go away. I am not sure I ever want to sit crammed on a plane again without one. She didn't break any rules in either Florida or NY. She's fully vaxxed and boostered. She visited her mother in FL with her partner. She was photographed eating at a restaurant there. She went to an outdoor party and was photographed unmasked. She hugged some people there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 11:15:04 GMT
Not only is he the former president and his incompetence in handling the virus is relevant, regrettably, he’s the head of the Republican Party. Republican politicians are tripping over themselves for his approval. DeSantis and Abbott are competing to see who can do more to stop all mitigation measures. Both of them are huge proponents of let em rip, Trump’s only strategy in the summer of 2020. As soon as Republican voters and politicians turn on Trump, I’m willing to dismiss him. Until then, like it or not, he’s still relevant. I remember when Trump wanted to close the borders in January 2020 and he was ridiculed as a xenophobe. He still is…your point would be what?
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