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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 11:26:20 GMT
They really don’t. This thinking showed up in snarky meme form, in my FB feed today. So because omicron is so much more contagious, my vaxxed and boostered chances of getting it have increased, it somehow renders a vaccine that will STILL more that likely keep me from dying or needing hospitalization, as completely useless? Sterilizing immunity exists with very few vaccines, even the current polio one - which has been effective enough without it to eradicate it in almost all countries. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that if you get Covid you’re going to end up on ventilator or die from it. We have morons who are so afraid of getting Covid even though they’re vaccinated and boosted and masked that they put their own children in the trunks of cars and drive them to a testing station to get tested because they’re afraid of catching it from their child. WTF!! between 97% and 99.5% of people survive Covid and they have since the beginning of this pandemic. Do you want to stay out of hospitals ?? get off your fat ass and exercise, lose some weight, quit smoking, quit drinking, quit eating fast food and get healthy. For the vast majority of people, this omicron variant is nothing more than a cold and sniffles and people are losing their shit over it. There is a 2% death rate and those are people with co-morbidities or unvaxed. If you are vaccinated and boosted, quit worrying about this. You can’t blame unvaccinated people for giving “you” Covid anymore. It can be spread by people that are vaccinated and masked. We need to get back to just living our lives like we should be, get people back into their jobs, get children back in school, we are doing them a huge disservice by them not being in the classrooms. Let’s hope this trend continues and the next variant in the variants after that are weaker and weaker and weaker. You do realize that your “fat ass lose weight stop smoking” diatribe comes from a very out of context republican/anti-vaxx rhetoric on a super small percentage(like less than .03% of only another small percentage study (not all who have died) from a study of who was dying from covid? Nope of course you don’t because people like you only repeat what they’ve been spoon fed by conservative provocateurs who are only there for the grift. All you do is prove on the daily that republicans/conservatives are selfish, uncaring people who don’t seem to give a fuck about people dying as long as doesn’t affect them personally. People like you are disgusting when it comes to being so god damned flip over deaths from covid. I know several people who were perfectly healthy, didn’t smoke or drink who died of covid or who were seriously affected by it-health wise, emotionally and financially destroyed after by it. My 4 year old and 1 year old nieces had the first variant and it was terrifying. So fuck you. So you cindosha can rightfully fuck the fuck off and stop spreading more lies and misinformation. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 11:29:11 GMT
They really don’t. This thinking showed up in snarky meme form, in my FB feed today. So because omicron is so much more contagious, my vaxxed and boostered chances of getting it have increased, it somehow renders a vaccine that will STILL more that likely keep me from dying or needing hospitalization, as completely useless? Sterilizing immunity exists with very few vaccines, even the current polio one - which has been effective enough without it to eradicate it in almost all countries. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that if you get Covid you’re going to end up on ventilator or die from it. We have morons who are so afraid of getting Covid even though they’re vaccinated and boosted and masked that they put their own children in the trunks of cars and drive them to a testing station to get tested because they’re afraid of catching it from their child. WTF!! between 97% and 99.5% of people survive Covid and they have since the beginning of this pandemic. Do you want to stay out of hospitals ?? get off your fat ass and exercise, lose some weight, quit smoking, quit drinking, quit eating fast food and get healthy. For the vast majority of people, this omicron variant is nothing more than a cold and sniffles and people are losing their shit over it. There is a 2% death rate and those are people with co-morbidities or unvaxed. If you are vaccinated and boosted, quit worrying about this. You can’t blame unvaccinated people for giving “you” Covid anymore. It can be spread by people that are vaccinated and masked. We need to get back to just living our lives like we should be, get people back into their jobs, get children back in school, we are doing them a huge disservice by them not being in the classrooms. Let’s hope this trend continues and the next variant in the variants after that are weaker and weaker and weaker. And on behalf of the medical professionals literally begging for help because they’re overwhelmed daily in this ongoing pandemic—fuck you. Using your own “logic” you don’t know if it’s a vaxxed or unvaxxed person spreading or carrying covid to others (yet evidence shows that the overwhelming majority of those in hospitals with it are the unvaxxed). Republicans/conservatives have NEVER been known as catalysts for the well being and good of the community as a whole. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 12, 2022 11:46:52 GMT
OK, not a US pea so different perspective. Is the problem she broke the rules in Florida, or did she break the rules of another state because they are different in her constituency? I thought it was common knowledge internationally that having the covid jab and boosters reduces the risk of serious complications from covid, which is qhy vunerable and those with other health conditions have been a priority for jabs. And for some strains there had been evidence that it has reduced infection rate. But I have never seen anywhere that it means you will not catch it. Every one is fed up with Covid, but its still out there. I am not sure if masks will completely go away. I am not sure I ever want to sit crammed on a plane again without one. She didn't break any rules in either Florida or NY. She's fully vaxxed and boostered. She visited her mother in FL with her partner. She was photographed eating at a restaurant there. She went to an outdoor party and was photographed unmasked. She hugged some people there. And now, inexplicably, it seems the OP wanted a contagion-sleuthing discussion about WHERE Ocasio-Cortez got Covid and finds it interesting (significant?disappointing?) that she didn’t get the discussion she neither asked for nor that we could provide. Alter umbrage. Curiouser and curiouser. But mostly really clumsy from beginning to end. (Speaking of sleuthing, it’s always amusing to read an alter’s posting history, especially the choices for their first posts.) |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 11:52:45 GMT
And furthermore—to use cindoshas own terminology—for the “morons” like herself who cannot seem to understand the most basic science…
Going back to when covid was first here…and the republicans were determined to hide/suppress it, (and did so for months before we were told just how bad it was) because it wasn’t a “good look” for them politically (the sole reason), and then allowed those republican politicians to get their ducks in a row with investing in and promoting the pharmaceutical companies involved in vaccines, PPE, etc…
Fact is that if more people had taken care then—masking up, staying home, getting the vaccine—we would be where we are now.
Fact is that if more people would have been vaccinated hospitals and medical staff would not be as overwhelmed to this day.
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Post by elaine on Jan 12, 2022 12:17:03 GMT
angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. You seem to believe that all Republicans think the same, as a long time teacher I've always had concern for student's academic, mental, and physical health. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/I am not sure how this relates to being conservative or a liberal, I think we are all concerned about school shootings, both lock-in and lock-down. We've done the same for fire drills, bomb threats, etc over the years. I've been in all of these types of drills, real earthquakes, and real fires in the building one in my ancient chemistry classroom too! Unbelievably I was in a two hour lock down while subbing on 12/9, just over a month ago, even had two police officers and the superintendent remove a student from where we were locked in the ceramics kiln room to question him. Believe me the students I was in lock down with last month were on their phones staying informed about what was happening on the campus. They were concerned but in general felt safe. As the students were escorted from the building the state police, county sheriffs, and local police department were there in full force with full armament. This all started 30 minutes after lunch and went up to end of school! I worked at the same school the following day for a different teacher and had discussions with each class. In general the student consensus was they would rather be uncomfortable, complete the drill as trained, than deal with what happened in Oxford, MI just 2 weeks before. I've also heard gunshots outside of my classroom back in 2002, and was in a 3 hour lock down, pulled in one student from the hall . . . the one who had been shot in gang related shooting and was a paraplegic. The shooter had been a student in in my classroom the year before. Was it important to debrief with the students and adults? Was I concerned for the students when TikTok had warnings of school shootings right before Christmas. I have a student in HS myself. www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted?I worked in a school for 6 years that was 80% students of color, and recent immigrants. Book censure has not been an issue in my state and I do validate students who choose to use different pronouns than their ones from birth. I have students come up to me and tell me that they prefer a different gendered name when I call roll as a sub. How is this not considered valuing their choices. As a teacher it is not my responsibility to change their opinions about themselves. Yes, these are my personal opinions! How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. Inclusion is important, but what to CRT really teaching? www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way?Yes Trump did this and was it right? No! Have previous and current administrations done the same thing, I believe so. How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries?I do not believe that this is true, to reduce school spending, and being a teacher don't you think I would be incensed that my salary is reduced? One year I worked 10 days for free to keep our schools open until the end of the year. Our union agreed to that because the city kicked in 10 days worth of funding. Yes, my salary was decreased for four months, but it was a statewide issue, not a conservative republican issue. As with most teachers in our state that year I took a summer job to make ends meet. Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics?What about the mental health of the young women who are being denied the access to biological equity? Young women who have worked and practiced hard all their lives and then get bumped off the podium? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school.How do you justify saying that all republicans vote against programs to reduce child poverty and pre-school programs? The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. What makes me said is the lack of compassion and the division in our country, the us vs them based on political beliefs. It has not always been this way, but is trending more in this direction. I did stir the pot to see how many directions peas here on the NSBR board would take the discussion.
But back to the original thought of the OP, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez did go on vacation while her constituents were dealing with Covid. Did she get it in NY? Or while out partying unmasked in a state that has different rules than her own? Or did she get it once she got home? None of these questions have been brought up in this discussion. Interesting how it went down the different talking points.
Why did I bring up my sister? Because it has it very close to home, and my parents are at risk at 82 and 95 with his Alzheimer progressing. This may be the last time our family was together, and I am thankful that we were able to do so. My sister/family must have picked it up somewhere else . . . because the rest of us are healthy.
Think about it ladies (and a few gentlemen here), would you speak like this to your colleagues, your superiors, those that you mentor?
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific!
Honestly, I am simply floored that a 62 year old woman created an alter to troll a group of women that she has been a part of for 7 years. And when caught, there is no acknowledgement or apology, but a handslap towards how people are talking towards you when found out? You, at this point, have no higher moral ground from which to criticize anyone’s behavior. This community means a great deal to me. More than AOC’s behavior. More even than Trump’s. And when someone purposefully trolls us - FROM THE INSIDE, not some random teenager in a basement somewhere - I have absolutely NO desire to have some “on topic” discussion about anything, unless it is an explanation and apology for the trolling. After that happens, then let’s talk. Maybe. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 12, 2022 12:33:45 GMT
angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. You seem to believe that all Republicans think the same, as a long time teacher I've always had concern for student's academic, mental, and physical health. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/I am not sure how this relates to being conservative or a liberal, I think we are all concerned about school shootings, both lock-in and lock-down. We've done the same for fire drills, bomb threats, etc over the years. I've been in all of these types of drills, real earthquakes, and real fires in the building one in my ancient chemistry classroom too! Unbelievably I was in a two hour lock down while subbing on 12/9, just over a month ago, even had two police officers and the superintendent remove a student from where we were locked in the ceramics kiln room to question him. Believe me the students I was in lock down with last month were on their phones staying informed about what was happening on the campus. They were concerned but in general felt safe. As the students were escorted from the building the state police, county sheriffs, and local police department were there in full force with full armament. This all started 30 minutes after lunch and went up to end of school! I worked at the same school the following day for a different teacher and had discussions with each class. In general the student consensus was they would rather be uncomfortable, complete the drill as trained, than deal with what happened in Oxford, MI just 2 weeks before. I've also heard gunshots outside of my classroom back in 2002, and was in a 3 hour lock down, pulled in one student from the hall . . . the one who had been shot in gang related shooting and was a paraplegic. The shooter had been a student in in my classroom the year before. Was it important to debrief with the students and adults? Was I concerned for the students when TikTok had warnings of school shootings right before Christmas. I have a student in HS myself. www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted?I worked in a school for 6 years that was 80% students of color, and recent immigrants. Book censure has not been an issue in my state and I do validate students who choose to use different pronouns than their ones from birth. I have students come up to me and tell me that they prefer a different gendered name when I call roll as a sub. How is this not considered valuing their choices. As a teacher it is not my responsibility to change their opinions about themselves. Yes, these are my personal opinions! How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. Inclusion is important, but what to CRT really teaching? www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way?Yes Trump did this and was it right? No! Have previous and current administrations done the same thing, I believe so. How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries?I do not believe that this is true, to reduce school spending, and being a teacher don't you think I would be incensed that my salary is reduced? One year I worked 10 days for free to keep our schools open until the end of the year. Our union agreed to that because the city kicked in 10 days worth of funding. Yes, my salary was decreased for four months, but it was a statewide issue, not a conservative republican issue. As with most teachers in our state that year I took a summer job to make ends meet. Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics?What about the mental health of the young women who are being denied the access to biological equity? Young women who have worked and practiced hard all their lives and then get bumped off the podium? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school.How do you justify saying that all republicans vote against programs to reduce child poverty and pre-school programs? The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. What makes me said is the lack of compassion and the division in our country, the us vs them based on political beliefs. It has not always been this way, but is trending more in this direction. I did stir the pot to see how many directions peas here on the NSBR board would take the discussion.
But back to the original thought of the OP, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez did go on vacation while her constituents were dealing with Covid. Did she get it in NY? Or while out partying unmasked in a state that has different rules than her own? Or did she get it once she got home? None of these questions have been brought up in this discussion. Interesting how it went down the different talking points.
Why did I bring up my sister? Because it has it very close to home, and my parents are at risk at 82 and 95 with his Alzheimer progressing. This may be the last time our family was together, and I am thankful that we were able to do so. My sister/family must have picked it up somewhere else . . . because the rest of us are healthy.
Think about it ladies (and a few gentlemen here), would you speak like this to your colleagues, your superiors, those that you mentor?
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific!
The irony of someone posting with a clear intent to stir up the pot with an alter, then claiming to care about uniting the country, is unbelievable. And where was that unity when you started another thread accusing Biden of dementia and criticizing his town hall? He is genuinely trying to unite the country, you are just trying to stir up trouble. Your post is disingenuous at best. And the idea that Republicans who are chanting F&ck Joe Biden, refusing to work with Democrats and obstructing any progress are interested in anything other than division is unbelievable. For the record, I did pose the question that she might have been infected with covid after returning to NY. The photo of her in Miami was 10 days before she tested positive. |
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Post by angel97701 on Jan 12, 2022 12:54:35 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 12:58:58 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Not all opinions are “valid”. Especially those where the posters are degenerating science, recommending urine cures, outright lying, and void of factual evidence. You can HAVE your opinion…it just doesn’t make it valid (or a fact). |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 12, 2022 13:11:48 GMT
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific! Let's take your 9/11 comparison, shall we? If the Administration who had been in control when the attack happened (January 2020) had taken the stance that this is an attack on America (just for this comparison, I obviously know this is not limited to the US) and we need to unify to fight this common enemy by any means necessary. We are talking to the scientists who KNOW how to fight this enemy and we are talking to the first responders and healthcare workers to get everyone on the same page so we can fight this together, how do you think that would've gone? Instead, it was downplayed and hidden for a little bit, right? Imagine if the attack on 9/11 had been hidden or ignored as long as COVID. Imagine if on 9/11 the same people who said "COVID is just the flu" had told everyone that "the attack was just a fire". Do I believe we need some unity in this country? Hell yeah. I am just not sure that's going to happen when one side denies the attack happened and any measures taken to stop another attack (or variant) are, again, shut down. Everyone is tired of hearing about COVID. Everyone was sick from hearing about 9/11, even all these years later it still hurts. How would you have felt or do feel, if someone who was alive then says something like "Maybe those people shouldn't have worked in the towers!" "Those people who jumped were cowards! They should've stayed and not lived in fear!" "Why do we care about the firefighters at Ground Zero? It's not my family!" 2,977 people died on 9/11 and now we've lost over 800,000. Make it make sense. |
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Post by peasapie on Jan 12, 2022 13:17:32 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. If you truly believe that, then don’t hide behind an alter ego. Have integrity and the courage to own your convictions. Separately, Covid is everywhere, Florida or otherwise. The vaccine has put us beyond the “stay home and quarantine” phase of this virus, especially for younger people. She’s a smart young woman with a long career ahead of her, and Republicans are terrified of her strength, so they spend a lot of time trying to vilify her. (And that is why you didn’t want to sign your “name” while throwing shade.) |
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Post by elaine on Jan 12, 2022 13:19:19 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. I believe this. I also believe, and this opinion has validity (per you), that you behaved in the ANTITHESIS of a caring way when you betrayed this group and then proceeded on as if it were nothing. And STILL a refusal to truly admit that you trolled us. I’m off to teach 4th grade today. I’ll think about whether I want to pm with you or not about this during the day. My first reaction is that this needs to be a public discussion, because you didn’t just do it to me, but to the whole group. But, I’ll think about it. I don’t get home until 5 pm, so will be unable to respond further until then. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 13:24:56 GMT
You don't get to decide how everyone feels. Me personally? I am not living in fear. Many other peas who are also concerned about covid and are taking simple steps to stop the spread have stated they're not living in fear either. I don’t care what everyone else feels. I’m not sure where you read that I was deciding how everyone feels. I’m sick of having nonstop covid shoved in my face everywhere I go and in everything I do. I’m going to live my life the way I want to and I don’t give two craps what anyone else thinks about that. Read: I’m selfish, selfish, selfish… I don’t care about anyone but myself, everyone else be damned. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 13:34:09 GMT
You seriously cannot be this dumb. We’re losing 1,000+ people a day to COVID. Right now. And Merge is married with kids. No need for gratuitous bitchiness, although I realize it’s always been kind of your trademark. Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. 100% pure gaslighting bullshit. Cancer is NOT a pandemic you feckless moron. And I can say with almost 100% certainty people do mourn and are upset that people are dying of cancer (and other diseases). I watched—literally watched-my own mom die, of some undetermined cancer and and I can tell you that our family, friends and those who knew her in the community “gave a crap”. Cancer, other illnesses and murders are not overwhelming hospitals on a daily basis like covid is—and covid is taking away beds from those who are sick with other issues. Comparing covid to other illnesses is a lie, misinformation, and idiotic false equivalency. The only people who don’t give a crap are selfish morons like yourself. So speak for your self and stop trying to gaslight by trivializing death from cancer, illness, murders. Because people do care. Maybe you don’t ad you’ve indicated, but many do. You are truly disgusting. |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 13:34:53 GMT
And furthermore—to use cindoshas own terminology—for the “morons” like herself who cannot seem to understand the most basic science… Going back to when covid was first here…and the republicans were determined to hide/suppress it, (and did so for months before we were told just how bad it was) because it wasn’t a “good look” for them politically (the sole reason), and then allowed those republican politicians to get their ducks in a row with investing in and promoting the pharmaceutical companies involved in vaccines, PPE, etc… Fact is that if more people had taken care then—masking up, staying home, getting the vaccine—we would be where we are now. Fact is that if more people would have been vaccinated hospitals and medical staff would not be as overwhelmed to this day. going back to when covid was first here, the entire country was shut down and just about everyone had to work from home. Businesses were closed and masks were worn for months and months and months. the vaccine wasn't available for 9 months after the shutdown so the virus had months and months to spread. If masks had been effective, there would not have been the spread that there was. And before you get so high and mighty about if masks had been worn......may I remind you of the occasions where our own politicians (pelosi and newsome just to name a couple), actors and sports figures were allowed to go on with their lives without them during that 9 months before the vax was available. The fact is that there was hundreds of thousands dead before the vaccine was available. The fact is that there was no vaccine available until December of 2020. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 13:35:21 GMT
OK, not a US pea so different perspective. Is the problem she broke the rules in Florida, or did she break the rules of another state because they are different in her constituency? I thought it was common knowledge internationally that having the covid jab and boosters reduces the risk of serious complications from covid, which is qhy vunerable and those with other health conditions have been a priority for jabs. And for some strains there had been evidence that it has reduced infection rate. But I have never seen anywhere that it means you will not catch it. Every one is fed up with Covid, but its still out there. I am not sure if masks will completely go away. I am not sure I ever want to sit crammed on a plane again without one. I can assure you, Florida has no rules regarding this. 🙃 |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 12, 2022 13:36:15 GMT
Yes because you and everyone else on this board are so sweet and kind. My condolences to her husband and kids. We will lose hundreds of thousands of people every year from a host of different illnesses. Covid included. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days changing my life and worrying and living in fear of covid. I’m just not. Nobody gave two craps about those thousands and thousands of people dying every day from cancer, diabetes, car accident, drownings, murders, etc. before covid. I’m sick of seeing and hearing about it on tv, in stores, on the radio, in offices…freaking everywhere. I want it to end. 100% pure gaslighting bullshit. Cancer is NOT a pandemic you feckless moron. And I can say with almost 100% certainty people do mourn and are upset that people are dying of cancer (and other diseases). I watched—literally watched-my own mom die, of some undetermined cancer and and I can tell you that our family, friends and those who knew her in the community “gave a crap”. Cancer, other illnesses and murders are not overwhelming hospitals on a daily basis like covid is—and covid is taking away beds from those who are sick with other issues. Comparing covid to other illnesses is a lie, misinformation, and idiotic false equivalency. The only people who don’t give a crap are selfish morons like yourself. So speak for your self and stop trying to gaslight by trivializing death from cancer, illness, murders. Because people do care. Maybe you don’t ad you’ve indicated, but many do. You are truly disgusting. I did speak for myself... |
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Post by littlemama on Jan 12, 2022 13:38:31 GMT
Every time I see another dose being ok'ed, I think of my sister (she died 11+ years ago) who's immune sustem was shot due to her chronic illness. I am so grateful that scientists are looking out specifically for people like her. As soon as it's my turn, I'll line up for that 4th shot happily. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this. People in my life, who know I am immunocompromised, dont give a flying fuck. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 13:40:30 GMT
And furthermore—to use cindoshas own terminology—for the “morons” like herself who cannot seem to understand the most basic science… Going back to when covid was first here…and the republicans were determined to hide/suppress it, (and did so for months before we were told just how bad it was) because it wasn’t a “good look” for them politically (the sole reason), and then allowed those republican politicians to get their ducks in a row with investing in and promoting the pharmaceutical companies involved in vaccines, PPE, etc… Fact is that if more people had taken care then—masking up, staying home, getting the vaccine—we would be where we are now. Fact is that if more people would have been vaccinated hospitals and medical staff would not be as overwhelmed to this day. going back to when covid was first here, the entire country was shut down and just about everyone had to work from home. Businesses were closed and masks were worn for months and months and months. the vaccine wasn't available for 9 months after the shutdown so the virus had months and months to spread. If masks had been effective, there would not have been the spread that there was. And before you get so high and mighty about if masks had been worn......may I remind you of the occasions where our own politicians (pelosi and newsome just to name a couple), actors and sports figures were allowed to go on with their lives without them during that 9 months before the vax was available. The fact is that there was hundreds of thousands dead before the vaccine was available. The fact is that there was no vaccine available until December of 2020. Because the republicans in charge minimized, trivialized, hid the pandemic. They were slow (or non-existent) in any other effort to minimize the problem. They fought masks from the get go. They harassed (still to this day) businesses who had to close for the safety of their workers and customers. They held back PPE that was available, and refused to help ramp up production when they had the opportunity. Fact is they did what you’re doing in this thread—trivializing it, mocking it, and lying about it. They’re threading teachers, medical professionals with violence. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 13:41:55 GMT
100% pure gaslighting bullshit. Cancer is NOT a pandemic you feckless moron. And I can say with almost 100% certainty people do mourn and are upset that people are dying of cancer (and other diseases). I watched—literally watched-my own mom die, of some undetermined cancer and and I can tell you that our family, friends and those who knew her in the community “gave a crap”. Cancer, other illnesses and murders are not overwhelming hospitals on a daily basis like covid is—and covid is taking away beds from those who are sick with other issues. Comparing covid to other illnesses is a lie, misinformation, and idiotic false equivalency. The only people who don’t give a crap are selfish morons like yourself. So speak for your self and stop trying to gaslight by trivializing death from cancer, illness, murders. Because people do care. Maybe you don’t ad you’ve indicated, but many do. You are truly disgusting. I did speak for myself... Nope. You said that “nobody gave a crap” about deaths from other things. You didn’t say “I didn’t give a crap” you said nobody. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 13:43:49 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Ok, a non apology apology. For ACTUAL trolling. Apparently, whatever life experiences you have, haven’t taught you how well either is usually received by others. And looking at the content of the posts you chose not to use your regular name to make, I can safely say, that I think you’re wrong - not all opinions are valid. |
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Post by hop2 on Jan 12, 2022 13:51:19 GMT
And for all those who are so worried about our children's education and the effects of COVID precautions on their mental health.... Are you also concerned about the negative effects on their mental health caused by high-stakes testing? It's kind of ironic that teachers have been raising this issue for years about meaningless tests the only purpose of which is to validate conservative cuts to educational funding. And yet when precautions are put in place to slow the spread of a deadly disease, all of a sudden they are concerned about mental health. ETA: COVID may have amplified student mental health issues, but it certainly didn't cause them. Yeah, this sudden interest in the mental health and well-being of kids in public schools is heartwarming, truly. I suppose it’s too much to hope that those so concerned will start voting for leaders who actually give a shit about kids after they exit the womb. It’s touching to see the concern for kids in schools mental health! Maybe with all that concern for kids mental health, we begin to care about kids fear of school shootings and do something about it? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 13:52:33 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Ok, a non apology apology. For ACTUAL trolling. Apparently, whatever life experiences you have, haven’t taught you how well either is usually received by others. She trolled under an Alt ID to see if responses would be different to have a “gotcha-see you hate conservative political people no matter the opinions” posted. And not only did that fail, but she outed herself by accident. Her intent was to create a “test” so she could come back with her superior being and own the Libs. Just another day where conservatives are lying to try to prove a point or ram their echo chamber home. |
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2022 13:52:42 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Why don’t you just tell us here? You don’t seem to agree that it was trolling - what would you call it? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 12, 2022 13:57:41 GMT
angel97701 Since you deleted your post, I will just respond here. Why are Republicans only now concerned about children's mental health? Seems like a convenient excuse to push opening schools or keeping them open. You seem to believe that all Republicans think the same, as a long time teacher I've always had concern for student's academic, mental, and physical health. Where was the concern for mental health with all of the school shootings, active shooter drills, lockdown drills over the last 20 years? Those decidedly have a negative impact on mental health. www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/effects-of-active-shooter/554150/I am not sure how this relates to being conservative or a liberal, I think we are all concerned about school shootings, both lock-in and lock-down. We've done the same for fire drills, bomb threats, etc over the years. I've been in all of these types of drills, real earthquakes, and real fires in the building one in my ancient chemistry classroom too! Unbelievably I was in a two hour lock down while subbing on 12/9, just over a month ago, even had two police officers and the superintendent remove a student from where we were locked in the ceramics kiln room to question him. Believe me the students I was in lock down with last month were on their phones staying informed about what was happening on the campus. They were concerned but in general felt safe. As the students were escorted from the building the state police, county sheriffs, and local police department were there in full force with full armament. This all started 30 minutes after lunch and went up to end of school! I worked at the same school the following day for a different teacher and had discussions with each class. In general the student consensus was they would rather be uncomfortable, complete the drill as trained, than deal with what happened in Oxford, MI just 2 weeks before. I've also heard gunshots outside of my classroom back in 2002, and was in a 3 hour lock down, pulled in one student from the hall . . . the one who had been shot in gang related shooting and was a paraplegic. The shooter had been a student in in my classroom the year before. Was it important to debrief with the students and adults? Was I concerned for the students when TikTok had warnings of school shootings right before Christmas. I have a student in HS myself. www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062400408/some-lockdown-drills-can-harm-students-mental-health-heres-what-one-expert-advisHow are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are pushing the censure or removal of books from school libraries. How do you think children of color, LGBTQ + children feel when books about them, about their experiences are targeted?I worked in a school for 6 years that was 80% students of color, and recent immigrants. Book censure has not been an issue in my state and I do validate students who choose to use different pronouns than their ones from birth. I have students come up to me and tell me that they prefer a different gendered name when I call roll as a sub. How is this not considered valuing their choices. As a teacher it is not my responsibility to change their opinions about themselves. Yes, these are my personal opinions! How are conservatives concerned about mental health when they fight against diversity, education and inclusion? What about the mental health of those children they are trying to marginalize? Parents fighting against CRT have now expanded their target to specifically include mental health programs. Inclusion is important, but what to CRT really teaching? www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991Where was the concern about children's mental health when the Trump administration separated children from their families at the border? Oh, it was only children trying to escape violence in their own countries, so it's OK to treat them that way?Yes Trump did this and was it right? No! Have previous and current administrations done the same thing, I believe so. How are conservatives concerned about children's mental health when they are constantly fighting to reduce school spending. How can schools provide counseling if they don't even have the budget to cover books or teacher's salaries?I do not believe that this is true, to reduce school spending, and being a teacher don't you think I would be incensed that my salary is reduced? One year I worked 10 days for free to keep our schools open until the end of the year. Our union agreed to that because the city kicked in 10 days worth of funding. Yes, my salary was decreased for four months, but it was a statewide issue, not a conservative republican issue. As with most teachers in our state that year I took a summer job to make ends meet. Where is the concern for children's mental health when Republicans ban trans-gender children from participating in athletics?What about the mental health of the young women who are being denied the access to biological equity? Young women who have worked and practiced hard all their lives and then get bumped off the podium? Its difficult to believe Republicans genuinely care about children's mental health when they vote against programs to reduce child poverty or funding for universal pre-school.How do you justify saying that all republicans vote against programs to reduce child poverty and pre-school programs? The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. What makes me said is the lack of compassion and the division in our country, the us vs them based on political beliefs. It has not always been this way, but is trending more in this direction. I did stir the pot to see how many directions peas here on the NSBR board would take the discussion.
But back to the original thought of the OP, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez did go on vacation while her constituents were dealing with Covid. Did she get it in NY? Or while out partying unmasked in a state that has different rules than her own? Or did she get it once she got home? None of these questions have been brought up in this discussion. Interesting how it went down the different talking points.
Why did I bring up my sister? Because it has it very close to home, and my parents are at risk at 82 and 95 with his Alzheimer progressing. This may be the last time our family was together, and I am thankful that we were able to do so. My sister/family must have picked it up somewhere else . . . because the rest of us are healthy.
Think about it ladies (and a few gentlemen here), would you speak like this to your colleagues, your superiors, those that you mentor?
Covid is here, it is hard, and it is not going away anytime soon. Being vaccinated is no guarantee. The challenges keep changing as we learn more about this disease. What has made our country strong in the past is that at some point we can unite, like after 9/11, after Boston, after Atlanta, after Oklahoma City. We can all agree that all of those were horrific!
I, too, am frustrated with the division in this country. However, you need to take a look at when and how that started. I know that it sounds like just another tit for tat, but which party do you think is responsible for that? If it bothers you so much, and you care about the things you say you do in regards to education, mental health, safety, etc, then maybe you should re-evaluate how you vote. Republicans have blocked forward movement in all of those areas, and continue to do so. I have said many times that if Trump and other Republicans were good leaders and were interested in creating unity, they would have used the pandemic as a rallying point. Even if it didn't come from a genuine concern about the American people (because I don't think many of them are capable of caring for others). But instead they used (and continue to use) it to create more division. Dr Fauci and others who are trying to slow or stop the spread are the enemy. Heck, even in one of your previous threads you indicated that you believe that. As for Covid exposure and how someone got it...I think that unless we stay home 100% of the time we are taking some risk. That includes AOC, you, your sister, your parents, me, and everyone else. I think we are past the point of treating people like lepers just because they have Covid. I do understand the frustration, though. I personally have to check my thoughts at times. For example, my son had a basketball tournament Saturday. Masks were required for spectators but not for players while they were playing. I was talking to another dad and asked if his wife was with another child at another sport that day. He said no, that she wasn't feeling well. Someone else asked what her symptoms were and it sounded like it could be Covid (although there are also other things going around). That person asked if the wife would get tested and he said no. The other person asked if she was vaccinated and he said no, and started talking about how they don't believe in that. And of course they were not wearing masks at all. Now the kid is apparently sick as well. At times I am pretty irritated with them, but I also recognize that we are taking risks by being in public at all and even if we weren't exposed by them, we could have been exposed by someone else. But the attitude about masking, vaccines, etc is very off putting. |
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Post by littlemama on Jan 12, 2022 13:58:15 GMT
Said by practically every Republican I know. The entire world is sick of this Covid crap. But the more you fight doing what works help to eradicate it, the more it will be shoved in our faces. I’ve gotten the fucking vax and as such, I will no longer mask. It’s not effective and I feel like I’m suffocating in one. Too bad. "If you want to know the true nature of a person, ask them to tolerate a minor inconvenience to protect the life of a stranger." Honestly, fuck you. You are endangering the lives of every elderly person, every immunocompromised person, every child too young to be vaccinated and anyone who cant be vaccinated for a valid medical reason. That makes you a horrible person. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:00:17 GMT
The conservative/ Republican claim to care about children's mental health is disingenuous at best. Actions speak louder than words. That is a perfect summary of the hypocrisy of the GOP - as usual for you, aj2hall. The problem is, you're bring facts to a beliefs fight. Beliefs > facts for the uncritical "thinkers". |
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Post by pinklady on Jan 12, 2022 15:11:33 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Nobody needs to PM you. You are a big pussy who was too afraid to post under her real ID. Stick to the scrapbooking board because you don’t have the fucking balls to post here. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 15:23:43 GMT
Apologies for what is considered trolling. For future reference please note that all of our opinions have validity. If you truly want to know why I choose to create and alter ego, by all means PM me. Whether you believe it or not, I am a caring individual with many life experiences. I do think we can learn from one another here, I know I have in some instances. Nobody needs to PM you. You are a big pussy who was too afraid to post under her real ID. Stick to the scrapbooking board because you don’t have the fucking balls to post here. It's not even a matter of balls. It's simple consideration for the people you supposedly want to have a conversation with. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 15:38:46 GMT
Nobody needs to PM you. You are a big pussy who was too afraid to post under her real ID. Stick to the scrapbooking board because you don’t have the fucking balls to post here. It's not even a matter of balls. It's simple consideration for the people you supposedly want to have a conversation with. Admittedly, I don’t feel kindly disposed to converse with someone who apparently sees us as their own personal social experiment. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by Merge on Jan 12, 2022 15:42:01 GMT
It's not even a matter of balls. It's simple consideration for the people you supposedly want to have a conversation with. Admittedly, I don’t feel kindly disposed to converse with someone who apparently sees us as their own personal social experiment. 🤷🏼♀️ Exactly. Even when discussions get heated, there's an expectation that folks are arguing in good faith. Someone out to prove a point or play a trick by using an alter is not arguing in good faith. |
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