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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 18:02:39 GMT
You might be right. He has shown us many times that he isn't very bright, and he certainly did not put that Wharton education to work given his bankruptcy problems. Maybe he is just as out-of-touch as today's Wharton business students? There is definitely a reason we have never seen his grades. If they were good, he’d want everyone to know it. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 20, 2022 18:04:42 GMT
This. And don't forget my favorite: "Yo-semite." That wasn't even a gaffe. It was outright evidence that the former was out of touch (seriously, he never heard of Yosemite Sam?) or not very smart. My theory is that he reads so exceedingly rarely, that he’s just not familiar with how words like this look in their written form, and he instinctively pronounced it as the word looked. Like you would when you first learn to read words you’ve only ever said. But that’s just my theory. I think that you might be on to something. I wonder if there is a lack of curiosity as well. Many of us look up the pronunciation of new words. I have trouble picturing him doing that. |
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Post by sunshine on Jan 20, 2022 18:21:54 GMT
You can bring up Trump, McConnell, Kimberly Guilfoyle, ice cream and sprinkles, etc. all you want. It's not hiding that there's a shitshow going on now with Biden. You do earn an A+ at deflection though. Well maybe you could mosey on over to the other thread and give your two cents on that topic there then? So as not to aid in a nearly 100 post existing thread being possibly deflected. My post, here on this thread, was quoting and responding to revirdsuba99's post made here, on this thread. SHE removed her post and moved it after the fact. |
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Post by gar on Jan 20, 2022 18:46:37 GMT
This. And don't forget my favorite: "Yo-semite." That wasn't even a gaffe. It was outright evidence that the former was out of touch (seriously, he never heard of Yosemite Sam?) or not very smart. My theory is that he reads so exceedingly rarely, that he’s just not familiar with how words like this look in their written form, and he instinctively pronounced it as the word looked. Like you would when you first learn to read words you’ve only ever said. But that’s just my theory. That was my thought too. A bit like Arkansas - I remember realising that the word I knew was spelled like that and not how I thought...I mean, I'm not American but  |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 18:49:23 GMT
Well maybe you could mosey on over to the other thread and give your two cents on that topic there then? So as not to aid in a nearly 100 post existing thread being possibly deflected. My post, here on this thread, was quoting and responding to revirdsuba99's post made here, on this thread. SHE removed her post and moved it after the fact. After five pages, I think we’ve pretty much established here that there is no “shit show going on with Biden.” |
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Post by sunshine on Jan 20, 2022 19:00:09 GMT
My post, here on this thread, was quoting and responding to revirdsuba99's post made here, on this thread. SHE removed her post and moved it after the fact. After five pages, I think we’ve pretty much established here that there is no “shit show going on with Biden.” Ya, all 33% that think he’s doing a good job are here, lol. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 19:15:27 GMT
After five pages, I think we’ve pretty much established here that there is no “shit show going on with Biden.” Ya, all 33% that think he’s doing a good job are here, lol. How soon we forget. |
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Post by java on Jan 20, 2022 19:38:59 GMT
Could be that he meant “as all American voters.” Hard to know if it was a mistake or an egregious dog whistle. I’d like to think that when someone’s in a position like he is, when speaking —especially in regards to race (as the question was) that one wouldn’t make gaffes like that—subconsciously or mistakenly. Agreed! Did you give Biden a pass in 2007 when he referred to Obama; "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." cnn Or maybe this one: In a June 2006 appearance in New Hampshire, the senator commented on the growth of the Indian-American population in Delaware by saying, "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Oh, I'm not joking." Or this one: Two months later, responding to a question in an August interview on Fox News Sunday, Biden was asked how a "Northeast liberal" could compete against more conservative southern candidates. "Better than everybody else. You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state is the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a northeast liberal state," Biden said. He repeated the comment during a visit to South Carolina in December 2006 at an event before the Columbia Rotary Club, according to a story published in The State newspaper. The State reported that Biden referred to Delaware as a "slave state that fought beside the North. That's only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way." "What you all know but most people don't know, unlike the African American community with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things," Biden said in that interview. This was said when speaking to the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. CNN |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 20, 2022 19:42:03 GMT
Well maybe you could mosey on over to the other thread and give your two cents on that topic there then? So as not to aid in a nearly 100 post existing thread being possibly deflected. My post, here on this thread, was quoting and responding to revirdsuba99's post made here, on this thread. SHE removed her post and moved it after the fact. That's not true. I moved it as soon as I saw the other thread. It had nothing to do with you or your post... |
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Post by sunshine on Jan 20, 2022 19:45:20 GMT
My post, here on this thread, was quoting and responding to revirdsuba99's post made here, on this thread. SHE removed her post and moved it after the fact. That's not true. I moved it as soon as I saw the other thread. It had nothing to do with you or your post... I didn’t say you moved it because of me or my post. Was just pointing out my bringing up mcconnell, trump, etc was in response to your post but you moved it. |
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Post by naby64 on Jan 20, 2022 19:56:36 GMT
My theory is that he reads so exceedingly rarely, that he’s just not familiar with how words like this look in their written form, and he instinctively pronounced it as the word looked. Like you would when you first learn to read words you’ve only ever said. But that’s just my theory. That was my thought too. A bit like Arkansas - I remember realising that the word I knew was spelled like that and not how I thought...I mean, I'm not American but  This is my only thought for this thread, as an Arkansan, it is amazing that even people who live in the US don't know how to pronounce one of the 50 states. I have heard Ar-Kansas(like the state of Kansas) more times than not. As far as Biden's speech, didn't hear it. But as a person with a speech impediment that was worked hard on to stop and it still peeps up when I am very tired, I'm giving him a pass if he stumbles from time to time. The FG didn't even stumble. It was a constant fall with no info just about every single time he spoke. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 20:07:43 GMT
I’d like to think that when someone’s in a position like he is, when speaking —especially in regards to race (as the question was) that one wouldn’t make gaffes like that—subconsciously or mistakenly. Agreed! Did you give Biden a pass in 2007 when he referred to Obama; "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." cnn Or maybe this one: In a June 2006 appearance in New Hampshire, the senator commented on the growth of the Indian-American population in Delaware by saying, "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Oh, I'm not joking." Or this one: Two months later, responding to a question in an August interview on Fox News Sunday, Biden was asked how a "Northeast liberal" could compete against more conservative southern candidates. "Better than everybody else. You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state is the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a northeast liberal state," Biden said. He repeated the comment during a visit to South Carolina in December 2006 at an event before the Columbia Rotary Club, according to a story published in The State newspaper. The State reported that Biden referred to Delaware as a "slave state that fought beside the North. That's only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way." "What you all know but most people don't know, unlike the African American community with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things," Biden said in that interview. This was said when speaking to the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. CNNI think most of us have learned to see the world differently in the past 15 years. Live and learn. That includes Joe Biden. And that’s aside from the fact that the guy you’re digging up dumb 15yo statements from is fighting in support of protecting voting rights for all. The one you’re defending is fighting against them. So … ?? |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 20:12:29 GMT
That was my thought too. A bit like Arkansas - I remember realising that the word I knew was spelled like that and not how I thought...I mean, I'm not American but This is my only thought for this thread, as an Arkansan, it is amazing that even people who live in the US don't know how to pronounce one of the 50 states. I have heard Ar-Kansas(like the state of Kansas) more times than not. As far as Biden's speech, didn't hear it. But as a person with a speech impediment that was worked hard on to stop and it still peeps up when I am very tired, I'm giving him a pass if he stumbles from time to time. The FG didn't even stumble. It was a constant fall with no info just about every single time he spoke. New Mexico had to add USA to its license plates, so now they say New Mexico USA, because so many New Mexican drivers were getting pulled over in other states by local cops who thought they were actually from Mexico. Someone wasn’t listening in 5th grade social studies. A lot of someones.  |
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Post by java on Jan 20, 2022 20:16:26 GMT
Lucy. Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea that a 15 year statute of limitations existed. Please point out where in my post I defended anyone.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 20:23:16 GMT
Lucy. Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea that a 15 year statute of limitations existed. Please point out where in my post I defended anyone. I think most adults understand that people’s knowledge and attitudes change over time. YMMV And when you bring up Biden gaffes in response to a McConnell gaffe, of course you’re defending McConnell. Well, I guess you could be making the argument that you like to randomly bring up Biden gaffes for no real reason. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 20, 2022 20:28:43 GMT
Speaking of English comprehension (or not) it’s interesting how “thanks for the clarification” can sound so much like a “bless your heart/fuck you” simply by the sentences added after it.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 20, 2022 20:36:58 GMT
Speaking of English comprehension (or not) it’s interesting how “thanks for the clarification” can sound so much like a “bless your heart/fuck you” simply by the sentences added after it.  |
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Post by java on Jan 20, 2022 20:40:41 GMT
Lucy. Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea that a 15 year statute of limitations existed. Please point out where in my post I defended anyone. I think most adults understand that people’s knowledge and attitudes change over time. YMMV And when you bring up Biden gaffes in response to a McConnell gaffe, of course you’re defending McConnell. Well, I guess you could be making the argument that you like to randomly bring up Biden gaffes for no real reason. No I dont agree. Pointing out that both sides need to learn how to be more articulate...yes. I am also old enough to say that people's attitudes and knowledge changed much more than 15 years ago at least in the world I was raised in. Comments such as those discussed here, yes 15 year old comments and recent would not have been tolerated over 60 years ago in my upbringing. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2022 20:49:54 GMT
I’d like to think that when someone’s in a position like he is, when speaking —especially in regards to race (as the question was) that one wouldn’t make gaffes like that—subconsciously or mistakenly. Agreed! Did you give Biden a pass in 2007 when he referred to Obama; "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." cnn Or maybe this one: In a June 2006 appearance in New Hampshire, the senator commented on the growth of the Indian-American population in Delaware by saying, "You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Oh, I'm not joking." Or this one: Two months later, responding to a question in an August interview on Fox News Sunday, Biden was asked how a "Northeast liberal" could compete against more conservative southern candidates. "Better than everybody else. You don't know my state. My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state is the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a northeast liberal state," Biden said. He repeated the comment during a visit to South Carolina in December 2006 at an event before the Columbia Rotary Club, according to a story published in The State newspaper. The State reported that Biden referred to Delaware as a "slave state that fought beside the North. That's only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South. There were a couple of states in the way." "What you all know but most people don't know, unlike the African American community with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things," Biden said in that interview. This was said when speaking to the National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. CNNIt’s not a good thing when a person in position such as politicians say things that exclude or hurt people because of race, ethnicity, or orientation. Now do you. Show us where you were outraged and posting speaking out against hateful m, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic quotes by the likes of trump, McConnell, McCarthy, Greene, cawthorne, Rand Paul, pence, Norbert, Scalise, or pretty much the rest of the GOP. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2022 20:51:02 GMT
Lucy. Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea that a 15 year statute of limitations existed. Please point out where in my post I defended anyone. Show us where you spoke out against the continued ongoing racists in the GOP. Go ahead. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2022 20:54:17 GMT
I think most adults understand that people’s knowledge and attitudes change over time. YMMV And when you bring up Biden gaffes in response to a McConnell gaffe, of course you’re defending McConnell. Well, I guess you could be making the argument that you like to randomly bring up Biden gaffes for no real reason. No I dont agree. Pointing out that both sides need to learn how to be more articulate...yes. I am also old enough to say that people's attitudes and knowledge changed much more than 15 years ago at least in the world I was raised in. Comments such as those discussed here, yes 15 year old comments and recent would not have been tolerated over 60 years ago in my upbringing. So, with your “upbringing” where were you denouncing all the lies, gaffes, misinformation, hatred that trump and the republicans have been spewing for the last 5 years? They haven’t stopped—they’re ramping it up. You’d be hard pressed to find most republicans/conservatives on this board speak out against the GOP. The same is just not true for democrats on this board—we speak up plenty —against “our own” too. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 20, 2022 21:06:27 GMT
It’s not a question of trouble. It’s an irony thing. The irony of conservatives criticizing Biden’s ability to speak and answer questions, when they completely ignored the fact that the previous President, a conservative, was a poor speaker whose speeches and answers to questions contained a high fiber amount of word salad. I believe that the problem lies where some people on here understand the word salad. It seems to be their language. But when an intelligent and compassionate person is speaking, it's difficult for said people to understand. Then it becomes incoherent to them. That's my theory anyway. This exactly. And Trump has a 2nd graders vocabulary that's limited to words with only 1 or 2 syllables. He was the polar opposite of President Obama. Somehow, because Obama was well educated and articulate, he was elitist and talking down to them. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 20, 2022 21:20:58 GMT
I believe that the problem lies where some people on here understand the word salad. It seems to be their language. But when an intelligent and compassionate person is speaking, it's difficult for said people to understand. Then it becomes incoherent to them. That's my theory anyway. This exactly. And Trump has a 2nd graders vocabulary that's limited to words with only 1 or 2 syllables. He was the polar opposite of President Obama. Somehow, because Obama was well educated and articulate, he was elitist and talking down to them. Nah. It was because he is black. Full stop. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 21, 2022 0:01:59 GMT
I think most adults understand that people’s knowledge and attitudes change over time. YMMV And when you bring up Biden gaffes in response to a McConnell gaffe, of course you’re defending McConnell. Well, I guess you could be making the argument that you like to randomly bring up Biden gaffes for no real reason. No I dont agree. Pointing out that both sides need to learn how to be more articulate...yes. I am also old enough to say that people's attitudes and knowledge changed much more than 15 years ago at least in the world I was raised in. Comments such as those discussed here, yes 15 year old comments and recent would not have been tolerated over 60 years ago in my upbringing. I was around 60 years ago, too. I believe you are very mistaken that the statements you quoted would not have been tolerated in American culture 60 years ago. Where did you grow up? Regardless, that doesn’t change the fact that people grow and change over time. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 21, 2022 0:20:42 GMT
No I dont agree. Pointing out that both sides need to learn how to be more articulate...yes. I am also old enough to say that people's attitudes and knowledge changed much more than 15 years ago at least in the world I was raised in. Comments such as those discussed here, yes 15 year old comments and recent would not have been tolerated over 60 years ago in my upbringing. I was around 60 years ago, too. I believe you are very mistaken that the statements you quoted would not have been tolerated in American culture 60 years ago. Where did you grow up?Regardless, that doesn’t change the fact that people grow change over time. Honestly, those kinds of statements are broadly tolerated today. Of course they were tolerated 60 years ago! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 21, 2022 4:49:18 GMT
Oh my .. which wall? Former president Donald Trump can't seem to keep his walls straight. During an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity on Thursday night, Trump appeared to confuse a completely metaphorical wall with his actual border wall. www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2656443483/ |
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 21, 2022 14:38:02 GMT
I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they didn’t criticize trump for what they are now accusing Biden of. I have been working and couldn’t watch the speech, but in general Biden is not always a great speaker. That being said, even if it was Obama I am sure the OP would be complaining. Is not saying something on here agreement? Is "silence" acceptance? |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 21, 2022 15:05:00 GMT
I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they didn’t criticize trump for what they are now accusing Biden of. I have been working and couldn’t watch the speech, but in general Biden is not always a great speaker. That being said, even if it was Obama I am sure the OP would be complaining. Is not saying something on here agreement? Is "silence" acceptance? Yeah, I think it is. And I'll tell you why...there are thread upon thread about what Republicans are up to. The latest is the Mitch McConnell thread. Not one of you who love to argue about President Biden's gaffes came into that thread and said a word about what McConnell said, except Keri. What is that bible saying about not taking the plank out of your own eye? So many of the Democratic peas on these threads have said that Biden's former words were not OK. Where is the same consideration from conservatives? If it's not right, it's not right. No matter which side does it. It would be really nice if conservatives could take a look at some of the elements of your party. I was a Republican, voting and working. And are there racist amongst the Democrats, most likely yes. But there is open racism, xenophobia and misogyny in the Republican party. It's gross and overwhelming. I don't want to be associated with that, no matter how much I want to curb wasteful government spending or how much I like my current healthcare plan. I just can't overlook it. I don't know how you do, honestly. |
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Post by casii on Jan 21, 2022 15:26:57 GMT
Is not saying something on here agreement? Is "silence" acceptance? Yeah, I think it is. And I'll tell you why...there are thread upon thread about what Republicans are up to. The latest is the Mitch McConnell thread. Not one of you who love to argue about President Biden's gaffes came into that thread and said a word about what McConnell said, except Keri. What is that bible saying about not taking the plank out of your own eye? So many of the Democratic peas on these threads have said that Biden's former words were not OK. Where is the same consideration from conservatives? If it's not right, it's not right. No matter which side does it. It would be really nice if conservatives could take a look at some of the elements of your party. I was a Republican, voting and working. And are there racist amongst the Democrats, most likely yes. But there is open racism, xenophobia and misogyny in the Republican party. It's gross and overwhelming. I don't want to be associated with that, no matter how much I want to curb wasteful government spending or how much I like my current healthcare plan. I just can't overlook it. I don't know how you do, honestly. Silence is complicity. There was an exhibit in the Holocaust Museum in DC on this very thing. It's no longer there but as Trump rose to prominence and the GOP fell in lockstep, that exhibit has stuck with me. If people say nothing, it's complicity. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 21, 2022 15:48:54 GMT
“The ultimate tragedy, is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.”
Silence matters.
I’m sure y’all consider yourself good people.
So how can y’all be silent while your party not only enables but actively does these things now? Even just two years ago, the GOP removed (albeit eventually) Steve King from the party. Now they have people who are actively and openly worse, without a single word of rebuke from GOP leadership or people who still vote for them.
The only real conclusion to draw is that you agree with them. 🤷🏼♀️
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