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Post by aj2hall on Jan 27, 2022 4:15:07 GMT
I’m tired of anti-vaxxers making anti-Semitic references to the Holocaust. And the mother’s reference to medical apartheid is just as offensive. I don’t think she understands what apartheid is.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 27, 2022 4:25:34 GMT
Man declines heart transplant.
That’s the news story here.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 27, 2022 4:40:45 GMT
I’m tired of anti-vaxxers making anti-Semitic references to the Holocaust. And the mother’s reference to medical apartheid is just as offensive. I don’t think understands what apartheid is. Well, she says this evil medical apartheid reaches beyond the grave. So, people in the afterlife are bing messed with. Impressive evil, that. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 27, 2022 5:13:43 GMT
I was curious about their fundraising page, so I looked at it. This is what his mother, I think, wrote: David B Ferguson, Jr. (DJ) is the father of two young children soon to be three, feels forced to play Russian Roulette with his life at Brigham & Womens's Hospital in Boston where he has been hospitalized for weeks. After complications from Afib and deteriorating heart failure he has been left with no choice but to have a heart transplant. He was placed on the Status 1-2 list of recipients only to be informed that he could no receive the lifesaving procedure unless he got the Covid Vaccine. The 31 year old has had a short history of Afib, which puts him at high risk for adverse reaction and even death. Each day there are more and more reports of men in his age range who are severely debilitated or worse, dying of heart attacks after receiving the shot. Why deliberately put a high risk patient in harm's way with an unproven shot? DJ's choice to refuse the COVID Vax is a protective measure allowing his own immune system to work for him, rather than taking the risks associated with a manufactured vaccine that has yet to be shown effective with a patient in his critical state. B&W Hospital has made it clear that they put public policy over the patients at their hospital, clearly in violation of their own mission statement, even going so far as to state that they would most likely reject the heart of an unvaccinated donor. The head cardiologist figuratively held a heart over DJ's head, saying that if he got the shot today, he could have a new heart by Monday. This is coercive and discriminatory medical apartheid has now reached beyond the grave. Their premise for insisting on the vaccine is to prevent rejection, infection and virus. It would then follow that patients would would need a vaccine against any and all viruses. Furthermore, COVID is a virus that DJ believes he has already h ad and he has requested that the hospital test him for the antibodies. If he has them, then he is at least, if not more protected naturally than as he would be with a manufactured vax. Please help DJ and his family with the mounting costs they are incurring as they deal with this devastating, life threatening ordeal. Prayers, Shares and contributions are all helpful and welcome. I don’t quite understand what she wrote about viruses. 🤷♀️ She wrote more than a few untruths!! Thinking mom did not write that at all. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 27, 2022 5:34:44 GMT
NPR had a little more information According to his mother, he did receive childhood vaccines "D.J. is an informed patient," Tracey Ferguson said in a brief interview at her homeThat would be funny if it weren’t so sad. The mom claimed he was worried about the vaccine because of a heart condition. He’s worried about a very minimal chance of a side effect but not worried about dying of covid or his heart disease? And if he trusts the cardiologists to do a heart transplant why doesn’t he trust them when they encouraged him to get the vaccine? the parents are clearly spinning this Brigham & Womens Hospital also stressed that no patient is placed on an organ waitlist without meeting those criteria, and rejected the notion that a transplant candidate could be considered "first on the list" for an organ — a claim Ferguson's family made in its fundraising post.His family is raising money, so maybe this is more about 15 minutes of fame than I initially thought www.npr.org/2022/01/26/1076004339/heart-transplant-patient-unvaccinatedIt’s Interesting he’s at the hospital whose transplant protocols I posted. I didn’t know that, they were just the most comprehensive explanation as to why it was so important I found. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 27, 2022 5:37:28 GMT
I was curious about their fundraising page, so I looked at it. This is what his mother, I think, wrote: David B Ferguson, Jr. (DJ) is the father of two young children soon to be three, feels forced to play Russian Roulette with his life at Brigham & Womens's Hospital in Boston where he has been hospitalized for weeks. After complications from Afib and deteriorating heart failure he has been left with no choice but to have a heart transplant. He was placed on the Status 1-2 list of recipients only to be informed that he could no receive the lifesaving procedure unless he got the Covid Vaccine. The 31 year old has had a short history of Afib, which puts him at high risk for adverse reaction and even death. Each day there are more and more reports of men in his age range who are severely debilitated or worse, dying of heart attacks after receiving the shot. Why deliberately put a high risk patient in harm's way with an unproven shot? DJ's choice to refuse the COVID Vax is a protective measure allowing his own immune system to work for him, rather than taking the risks associated with a manufactured vaccine that has yet to be shown effective with a patient in his critical state. B&W Hospital has made it clear that they put public policy over the patients at their hospital, clearly in violation of their own mission statement, even going so far as to state that they would most likely reject the heart of an unvaccinated donor. The head cardiologist figuratively held a heart over DJ's head, saying that if he got the shot today, he could have a new heart by Monday. This is coercive and discriminatory medical apartheid has now reached beyond the grave. Their premise for insisting on the vaccine is to prevent rejection, infection and virus. It would then follow that patients would would need a vaccine against any and all viruses. Furthermore, COVID is a virus that DJ believes he has already h ad and he has requested that the hospital test him for the antibodies. If he has them, then he is at least, if not more protected naturally than as he would be with a manufactured vax. Please help DJ and his family with the mounting costs they are incurring as they deal with this devastating, life threatening ordeal. Prayers, Shares and contributions are all helpful and welcome. I don’t quite understand what she wrote about viruses. 🤷♀️ You can poke quite a few holes in that. The people they’re grifting (and yes, that’s basically what it is) won’t know any differently, though. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 27, 2022 5:42:24 GMT
I’m tired of anti-vaxxers making anti-Semitic references to the Holocaust. And the mother’s reference to medical apartheid is just as offensive. I don’t think she understands what apartheid is. It’s an anti-vaxx catchphrase. Like most of these type of people and concepts like socialism/communism they don’t really know what it means either, but most people have heard if it. And know it’s in some way a bAd tHiNg that allows them to claim oppression, and makes them victims somehow. |
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I was curious about their fundraising page, so I looked at it. This is what his mother, I think, wrote: David B Ferguson, Jr. (DJ) is the father of two young children soon to be three, feels forced to play Russian Roulette with his life at Brigham & Womens's Hospital in Boston where he has been hospitalized for weeks. After complications from Afib and deteriorating heart failure he has been left with no choice but to have a heart transplant. He was placed on the Status 1-2 list of recipients only to be informed that he could no receive the lifesaving procedure unless he got the Covid Vaccine. The 31 year old has had a short history of Afib, which puts him at high risk for adverse reaction and even death. Each day there are more and more reports of men in his age range who are severely debilitated or worse, dying of heart attacks after receiving the shot. Why deliberately put a high risk patient in harm's way with an unproven shot? DJ's choice to refuse the COVID Vax is a protective measure allowing his own immune system to work for him, rather than taking the risks associated with a manufactured vaccine that has yet to be shown effective with a patient in his critical state. B&W Hospital has made it clear that they put public policy over the patients at their hospital, clearly in violation of their own mission statement, even going so far as to state that they would most likely reject the heart of an unvaccinated donor. The head cardiologist figuratively held a heart over DJ's head, saying that if he got the shot today, he could have a new heart by Monday. This is coercive and discriminatory medical apartheid has now reached beyond the grave. Their premise for insisting on the vaccine is to prevent rejection, infection and virus. It would then follow that patients would would need a vaccine against any and all viruses. Furthermore, COVID is a virus that DJ believes he has already h ad and he has requested that the hospital test him for the antibodies. If he has them, then he is at least, if not more protected naturally than as he would be with a manufactured vax. Please help DJ and his family with the mounting costs they are incurring as they deal with this devastating, life threatening ordeal. Prayers, Shares and contributions are all helpful and welcome. I don’t quite understand what she wrote about viruses. 🤷♀️ His mum according to other reports is a nurse. I find it difficult to believe that anyone in the medical profession would write that. It's more likely to have been written by an anti vax conspiracy group. So much inaccurate information in it. (Each day there are more and more reports of men in his age range who are severely debilitated or worse, dying of heart attacks after receiving the shot.) Not true
( Why deliberately put a high risk patient in harm's way with an unproven shot? DJ's choice to refuse the COVID Vax is a protective measure allowing his own immune system to work for him, rather than taking the risks associated with a manufactured vaccine that has yet to be shown effective with a patient in his critical state.) How much more proof is needed for people to believe that the vaccine is safe when millions upon millions of jabs have been given globally. Transplant, cancer and immune suppressed patients have been top of the list of priority to receive the vaccine in most, if not all, countries since the beginning of the vaccine roll out.
( The head cardiologist figuratively held a heart over DJ's head, saying that if he got the shot today, he could have a new heart by Monday. This is coercive and discriminatory medical apartheid has now reached beyond the grave.) That is total nonsense - no transplant consultant whether for a heart or any other transplant would even suggest that would happen. There is no " top of the list" for transplants. There are list pertaining to the urgency of your needs but its not a matter of receiving the next organ that comes along. The recipient has to be a total " match" to the donor. A patient could be the most urgently needed in the country but if there wasn't a" matched" donor you could still be on the list and the next available organ would be passed on to whoever was the best match whichever list they were on.(If he has them, then he is at least, if not more protected naturally than as he would be with a manufactured vax.) Again untrue. There are plenty of reports out there that say that natural immunity, not only wanes over time but isn't as strong as the immunity a vaccine will give you especially for the different mutations that are circulating. |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 27, 2022 11:11:01 GMT
Well, sometimes standing for something means giving your life for it. He's made his choice, and now there will be natural consequences. Has he tried thoughts and prayers? I hear they work smashingly for unvaxxed people who get sick. Couldn’t agree more. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 27, 2022 11:16:13 GMT
He’s deluded then, because they’re not the ones that create the final criteria for getting the organs. I bet given this, every transplant program in the country requires it. “Given the shortage of available organs, we do everything we can to ensure that a patient who receives a transplanted organ has the greatest chance of survival. Our Mass General Brigham healthcare system requires several CDC-recommended vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine, and lifestyle behaviors for transplant candidates to create both the best chance for a successful operation and to optimize the patient’s survival after transplantation, given that their immune system is drastically suppressed. Patients are not active on the waitlist without this. Research has shown that transplant recipients are at a much higher risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-transplant patients. This guidance is in alignment with recommendations from the American Society of Transplantation, American Society of Transplant Surgeons and International Society for Heart and Lung Transplantation. Like most other transplant programs across the country, the COVID-19 vaccine is one of several vaccines and lifestyle behaviors that are required for patients awaiting solid organ transplant. Transplant candidates must also receive the seasonal influenza and hepatitis B vaccines, follow other healthy behaviors, and demonstrate they can commit to taking the required medications following transplant. At the Brigham and across our system, we have transplant guidelines that we follow in alignment with recommendations from the American Society of Transplantation, the American Society of Transplant Surgeons and the International Society for Heart and Lung Transplantation. More information is available here. We follow this guidance in order to create both the best chance for a successful operation and also the patient’s disease-free survival, given that their immune system is suppressed after transplant. Research has shown that transplant recipients are at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-transplant patients. Transplant recipients must take immunosuppressive medications after receiving a transplanted organ. This means that after a transplant, recipients will develop less of an antibody response to a vaccine and are especially vulnerable to severe illness if they contract the virus. For this reason, experts recommend COVID-19 vaccination before organ transplantation to lower the chance of severe disease and death if a recipient becomes infected. Exceptions to these requirements are reviewed by a multidisciplinary group of experts in transplantation.” www.brighamandwomens.org/about-bwh/newsroom/transplant-candidate-vaccinationThere are super good reasons why they require it. I can’t see he’d get an exception for outright refusal. His logic is baffling, after all his body may reject his transplanted organ, but he’s willing to risk that. I'm only speculating, but I think the family has a lot of misinformation about the transplant process (probably the vaccine too). The father mentioned exploring all options and looking at other hospitals. No other hospital is going to perform the surgery or put him back on the list as long as he remains unvaccinated. And again, just speculation, but I imagine an entire team of doctors and possibly hospital administrators very thoroughly explained his options and the consequences of refusing the vaccine. On this..you cannot cure stupidity or ignorance. You can be almost certain that the doctors have covered all their bases with a transplant process, and if the family is spouting off to the media something else, chalk that up to ignorance or just plain stupidity. So many unnecessary martyrs. They’ll get go fund me’s for the family and other grifting bullshit to put the burden on someone else. |
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Post by teddyw on Jan 27, 2022 13:21:06 GMT
The mom was just on the Today Show. So he’s afraid of getting myocarditis but not dying from his heart disease?!
Makes no sense to me.
Cleveland Clinic requires the donor and the recipient to be vaccinated Not sure about the hospital that he’s in currently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 14:06:02 GMT
On the Today Show? Wow, they are making the rounds. So they are either fishing for a new hospital or trying to get the current one to cave. And if that's unsuccessful he dies. Talk about gambling with your life.
Do you guys think another hospital will take him? Or the current one cave under pressure?
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 27, 2022 14:17:17 GMT
On the Today Show? Wow, they are making the rounds. So they are either fishing for a new hospital or trying to get the current one to cave. And if that's unsuccessful he dies. Talk about gambling with your life. Do you guys think another hospital will take him? Or the current one cave under pressure? Maybe that one in Houston which took the guy whose wife didn't want the ventilator removed? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 27, 2022 14:19:22 GMT
On the Today Show? Wow, they are making the rounds. So they are either fishing for a new hospital or trying to get the current one to cave. And if that's unsuccessful he dies. Talk about gambling with your life. Do you guys think another hospital will take him? Or the current one cave under pressure? Not if they have any sense. Wouldn’t it be unethical, given his refusal and the subsequent risk factors? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 14:21:07 GMT
He also went on Tucker Carlson. Okay, okay now I get it. It's the message of FREEDOM that's more important than living your life freely without a machine pumping blood through your veins. Makes sense.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 27, 2022 14:40:47 GMT
On the Today Show? Wow, they are making the rounds. So they are either fishing for a new hospital or trying to get the current one to cave. And if that's unsuccessful he dies. Talk about gambling with your life. Do you guys think another hospital will take him? Or the current one cave under pressure? Why is the Today Show giving a public forum to this? 🤷🏼♀️ I would think most other transplant programs require the same vaccine, because the risk of dying from Covid is so much higher for unvaccinated transplant patients. |
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Post by amp on Jan 27, 2022 15:17:45 GMT
( Why deliberately put a high risk patient in harm's way with an unproven shot? DJ's choice to refuse the COVID Vax is a protective measure allowing his own immune system to work for him, rather than taking the risks associated with a manufactured vaccine that has yet to be shown effective with a patient in his critical state.) How much more proof is needed for people to believe that the vaccine is safe when millions upon millions of jabs have been given globally. Transplant, cancer and immune suppressed patients have been top of the list of priority to receive the vaccine in most, if not all, countries since the beginning of the vaccine roll out.THIS!!! It's not an unproven vaccine anymore!! My son, who is about his age, was at work the day after getting the vaccine...and is relieved not to have to worry about the virus as much. I just don't get those refusing to get the vaccine. It defies logic. My 80-year-old father is one of those anti-vaxxers, and his logic is that he won't get Covid, so he doesn't need it. Why get something you don't need? Well, I hope he is right about that. I wouldn't gamble my life on it, though. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 27, 2022 15:56:35 GMT
Having sat through the intense screening for someone to be POSSIBLY added to the liver transplant list, I would bet a substantial amount that he and his family were told not adhering to their policies would remove him from the list. That list of dos and don’ts is large and encompassing and includes getting any and all vaccinations, tests, and checks that they determine are needed. It also included proving that you had a place to stay and people to stay with you close by to their medical center post surgery and release from the hospital.
A transplant patient deals with a healthcare team that is present from prescreening/pre-acceptance through the very long recovery process and beyond. There was an intense preliminary presentation that spelled it all out and then you had to have a consultation with each one of the transplant team right down to the nutritionist. If they did not know this was going to happen they were not paying attention.
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Post by paulao on Jan 27, 2022 19:42:47 GMT
I'd like to see her list of citations of patients dying from heart attacks due to the shot. Ignorant woman. And no, your son does not deserve my prayers.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 27, 2022 21:31:47 GMT
You know what else is unfair to transplant patients? Ignorant people like this who don't get the vax which causes a threat to transplant patients to go out and live their life.
Does the idiot realize all the drugs he'd be given (immunosuppressants) would make anti-vaxers a threat to him?! Ironic. His now stance would literally be a threat to his future self if/after transplant.
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(per doc's, not safe, not advised)
If I sound a bit bitter and/or angry... You'd be right
ETA and again, the/his heart DONOR could have been vaxd. He obviously hasn't thunk this through.
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Post by MichyM on Jan 27, 2022 21:38:00 GMT
On the Today Show? Wow, they are making the rounds. So they are either fishing for a new hospital or trying to get the current one to cave. And if that's unsuccessful he dies. Talk about gambling with your life. Do you guys think another hospital will take him? Or the current one cave under pressure? I would think most other transplant programs require the same vaccine, because the risk of dying from Covid is so much higher for unvaccinated transplant patients. This times 100. It's BS that they're getting their 15 minutes of fame out of this of all things. My sister needed a heart/lung transplant after 35 years of ever declining health. She never got it. She died 11.5 years ago. This story makes me very angry from beginning to end. Stupid jerk has no idea what he's giving up, and how others DIE waiting for this gift. |
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 27, 2022 21:55:08 GMT
The mom was just on the Today Show. So he’s afraid of getting myocarditis but not dying from his heart disease?! Makes no sense to me. Cleveland Clinic requires the donor and the recipient to be vaccinated Not sure about the hospital that he’s in currently. Why not get the vaccine and the myocarditis now with his already failing heart and then he’ll be all set for the new one? Does he think if he gets the vaccine now it’ll cause myocarditis a year from now in the new heart? Oh silly me he doesn’t think! I’m so beyond frustrated with the attitudes around vaccines and the dismissal of recommendations from health care professionals. I’m pretty sure the cardiologists at B&W know better than this guy does. |
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 27, 2022 22:01:18 GMT
Also, since I’m in a ranty mood, I guess he didn’t do his research on the risks of LVAD, which include infection and blood clots. Oh and what usually causes myocarditis? A viral infection. Like,
I don’t know, maybe…..covid?
And no, I do not spout off like this in front of my patients. I explain that the risks of contracting covid are exponentially greater than the risks of the vaccine. I use the seatbelt analogy a lot-sure, a seatbelt can cause some pretty severe bruising in a car accident and there are even a few documented cases of seatbelts causing damage to the neck but the risks of being thrown out of the vehicle or smashing into
The windshield are far greater.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 27, 2022 22:35:04 GMT
nightnurseOh my.. you just reminded me of an accident long ago.. late at night and dark, on the interstate, girl driver crashed and car ended up on medium. They pulled the driver out. She was taken to the hospital by ambulance. Family was notified. Family asked about the other girl. Police, 'what other girl?' They went and searched the area with flashlights and found her in the weeds, deceased. She had gone through the sun roof ..
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Post by uksue on Jan 27, 2022 23:05:06 GMT
My daughter is currently severely immune- compromised due to treatment for MS- she had to agree to have all her jabs before starting , and in her case it was 3 then the 4th is classed as the booster. She couldn’t wait to get them so she could start her treatment.
I’m at a complete loss about all of this. I wonder how such people would have coped here during the war when they had to carry gas masks and black out the windows every night? Would they have chosen to go to prison on principle that they should have a choice? It’s a personal and a societal benefit to get vaccinated. I’ve been ridiculed in shops and called a ‘sheep’ because I’m continuing to wear a mask even though that isn’t mandated anymore. That’s my choice, so why is mine any less valid than someone who chooses not to?
As others have said, this guy has children- apparently his principles are more important than them 😞
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2022 1:30:26 GMT
uksueAs others have said, this guy has children- apparently his principles are more important than them 😞 Not only children, two with one on the way..
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 28, 2022 1:38:21 GMT
My dh works for the health care organization that includes the hospital where the guy is currently being treated. I think it's highly unlikely the hospital will reverse their decision. I'm certain the hospital had their ducks in a row before making the decision. The family might have hoped for that, but it's possible that their strategy might have backfired and could actually be good publicity for the hospital. The vaccination rates for Boston and the surrounding areas are fairly high.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jan 28, 2022 12:52:45 GMT
My cousin had a heart transplant at Brigham a couple of years ago. The criteria for transplant is very strict and non-negotiable. I think they’re making the rounds in the media hoping to pressure the hospital to change their stance. It’s not the hospital though, it’s the donor registry. My cousin was in the hospital for 10 months. The amount of meds he has to take daily is staggering.
I, personally, think this guy is a selfish asshole. You have young kids and a pregnant wife. You should be doing everything in your power to live for them. You don’t believe in a vaccine but you believe in an organ transplant and you believe in all the lifelong meds you’ll have to take after the transplant. I have zero sympathy for him. If he’s afraid the vaccine will kill him, guess what, you’re going to die anyway, so shoot your shot, take the vaccine and get the transplant. I love that they’re talking to other hospitals. It’s not the hospital, it’s the donor registry. This isn’t going to work out how they want it to. He’s going to die and she’ll have a huge GoFundMe that the anti-vaxxers will donate thousands of dollars to. I’d like to ask them the question, God forbid, one of their kids needed the heart transplant, would you let them get the vaccine?
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