The truckers protest in Ottawa is out of hand

I didn't follow up on that story so I am glad to hear that.  Thank you!

Did you read the transplant thread?  Have you sat through a screening to get onto a transplant list?  Because even before Covid, there were many things that would get you taken off a list…including but not limited to not getting vaccinations, risky behaviors, not treating other ailments or having various test and procedures done.  I’d stick with using the Truckers and others losing their jobs and stay away from not being treated if unvaccinated for your reasonings because it is not true.  At my hospital it is over 75% ( I can’t remember the exact figure so I am being conservative) of Covid patients in the ICU are not vaccinated. That is a pretty big clog. 

it doesn't mean it's wrong...

 I am pro-vaccine but disagree with mandatory vaccination.

There are career choices such as the military where vaccinations are required and military applicants are already aware that vaccination goes hand in hand with the job . This is their choice because they would have known about it in advance.

I am guessing that Canadian truck drivers did not sign up to this because it has been applied retrospectively.

I think that mandated vaccines are different to a mask mandate.

I am happy with mask mandates because Covid is an airborne disease. Masks are not medically invasive. Masks protect the wearer as well as others.

Vaccinations on the other hand are medically invasive. There are people who have sadly died or had serious complications.
I realise that the risks are likely small but they still exist .
I also realise that many people tolerate the vaccine without any problems and that vaccines are helpful in reducing complications .
Vaccines have played a part in saving some people’s lives.

There have been punitive measures introduced in some countries where refusing the vaccine has the consequence of people losing their livelihood or being continuously fined , or not allowed on public transport . Amnesty have already got involved in Italy for unvaccinated people not being allowed on trains despite a negative Covid test and wearing a high quality mask to protect themselves and others.

Like I say , I think that vaccines are a good choice for many people but not all.

People in various countries are being punished for exercising their medical choice on something that is medically invasive which also carries a degree of risk of a fatal outcome or long term complications.

Having said that so does catching Covid.

With practicing all the other precautionary measures transmission could still be reduced .

There are Omicron specific vaccines due out in the near future ,
which shows that even the vaccine manufacturers themselves feel that the current vaccines require improvement to offer better protection.

The spread of the pandemic most likely has multiple causes.
Lack of masks
Lack of social distancing
Lack of ventilation
Lack of hand hygiene
Lack of isolation
Lack of working from home
Lack of effective vaccine protection against new variants

I'm not sure how effective the current vaccines are in regards to preventing vaccinated people from getting Covid.  I haven't seen specific numbers regarding that.  However, the data that shows how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated are in the hospital and dying is staggering and shows that the vaccines are helpful.  IMO, Covid isn't going away, but we really need to get a handle on the severity of the illness and how many are hospitalized and dying.  Getting vaccinated is key to getting us there.

Question… After reading the information below do you still think what you posted makes sense?

I’ve read in several articles the virus mutants into a variant in unvaccinated host bodies.  And this one is from August but this article sort of tells you how.  

Every time there is a new variant there is a rush to determine if the current group of vaccines work and how well.  Restrictions are put in place until it can be determined how serious the new variant is.

That being the case then logic dictates that to cut down on new variants then all the people that can be vaccinated get vaccinated so we can all go back to a somewhat normal life.

Right now there is a lull and restrictions are being eased.  But will that be the case a month from now?  Six weeks from now?  The problem is the experts don’t know.

And again that is why it’s important for people that can get vaccinated, get vaccinated.  And to make sure a enough vaccine is sent to the poorer countries who are behind in getting people vaccinated because of the lack of vaccines.

I mean seriously people would you want to be the host body for virus to mutate into the latest variant?  Ick.


“Unvaccinated People Are Increasing the Chances for More Coronavirus Variants — Here’s How”

From the article…  link

Experts say the number of unvaccinated people in the United States is a key reason coronavirus variants are emerging.

They explain that the virus replicates quicker in unvaccinated people, increasing the chance of mutations.

They’re concerned that new COVID-19 cases will continue to rise as variants spread and people still refuse to get vaccinated.

How the virus spreads and changes

One of the key characteristics of the coronavirus is the spike protein that allows it to latch onto a host cell, penetrate it, and cause an infection.

That spike is what vaccines target to block the virus.

In the unvaccinated, however, the virus gets in, hijacks the cell, and turns it into a factory. It then makes thousands of copies of itself. If there’s a copying mistake or error, scientists call that a mutation.

Occasionally, a mutation can help the virus get into the body’s cells more easily. When mutations accumulate over time, new variants of a virus strain emerge.

The Delta variant has outpaced all its rivals by reproducing itself quicker and in larger numbers. Scientists say that makes it more highly contagious.

Another complication has surfaced: Scientists say unvaccinated parents are bringing the virus home to their children. Pediatricians say cases are rising and children’s hospitals are seeing a spike in children needing care.

Children under age 12 aren’t currently eligible for a vaccine. And, as schools are opening — some with minimal COVID-19 safety protocols — experts fear it’s only going to get worse.

You are being ridiculous! COVID 19 is not the only vaccine that is required. It just happens to be the one that this patient (and another one who was recently in the news) was missing. He would have been rejected without the flu and hepB vaccines as well.


From Brigham and Women's Hospital:



At Brigham and Women’s Hospital, we are committed to providing the most appropriate care for our patients with advanced heart disease and do everything possible to effectively improve heart function without a heart transplant. The journey to transplantation is often long because of the shortage of available organs compared to recipients in need, but we work with patients and their families to make each step of the transplant process as comfortable as possible.



There are currently more than 100,000 candidates on waitlists for organ transplantation and a shortage of available organs — around half of people on waiting lists will not receive an organ within five years. There is no candidate who is “first on the list” since there are varying levels of priority for allocation of organs. Waitlists are everchanging and are based on many patient and donor factors. Patient criteria includes immunologic and blood factors, psychological and social factors, medical and surgical factors, and clinical condition. When an organ does become available, it must be carefully matched among a regional and national pool of candidates based on many factors, including blood type, height, weight, medical factors, distance to the recipient and organ size.



Given the shortage of available organs, we do everything we can to ensure that a patient who receives a transplanted organ has the greatest chance of survival. Our Mass General Brigham healthcare system requires several CDC-recommended vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine, and lifestyle behaviors for transplant candidates to create both the best chance for a successful operation and to optimize the patient’s survival after transplantation, given that their immune system is drastically suppressed. Patients are not active on the waitlist without this. Research has shown that transplant recipients are at a much higher risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-transplant patients. This guidance is in alignment with recommendations from the American Society of Transplantation, American Society of Transplant Surgeons and International Society for Heart and Lung Transplantation.



Like most other transplant programs across the country, the COVID-19 vaccine is one of several vaccines and lifestyle behaviors that are required for patients awaiting solid organ transplant.

Transplant candidates must also receive the seasonal influenza and hepatitis B vaccines, follow other healthy behaviors, and demonstrate they can commit to taking the required medications following transplant.


At the Brigham and across our system, we have transplant guidelines that we follow in alignment with recommendations from the American Society of Transplantation, the American Society of Transplant Surgeons and the International Society for Heart and Lung Transplantation. More information is available here.


We follow this guidance in order to create both the best chance for a successful operation and also the patient’s disease-free survival, given that their immune system is suppressed after transplant.

Research has shown that transplant recipients are at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-transplant patients. Transplant recipients must take immunosuppressive medications after receiving a transplanted organ. This means that after a transplant, recipients will develop less of an antibody response to a vaccine and are especially vulnerable to severe illness if they contract the virus.

For this reason, experts recommend COVID-19 vaccination before organ transplantation to lower the chance of severe disease and death if a recipient becomes infected.

Exceptions to these requirements are reviewed by a multidisciplinary group of experts in transplantation.

Maybe so but I was referring to the GM facility that is being impacted now over the bridge. They are being laid off because of the actions of the truck drivers denying the free flow of goods so they can not continue the assembly lines. For all we know everyone could be vaccinated at the GM plant but they are still being denied the right to work because of the blockade by the truckers.  Others shouldn't have the right to impact anyone else's right to work because they have different beliefs and or by their actions.

I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. The trucker convoy started because of the end of the moratorium that exempted long-haul truckers from requiring vaccines to pass back and forth over our southern border. But 90% of truckers were already vaccinated and, given that they would be required to show a pass to get into the US in the first place, the organizers weren't getting the support they wanted. Rather than facing the prospect of giving back the millions of dollars they had already raised, they changed the focus of the protest.

And, FTR, since you seem to have missed others who have posted the same thing - there has NEVER been a requirement in Canada to show vaccine cards to get into stores - restaurants and venues, yes, but never stores. And we are, after all, talking about Canada here, yeah?

Characterization of vaccines as ‘medically invasive procedures’ has been a goal of the anti-vaxx movement for quite a while. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, I posted an article from a Left leaning source and after some discussion of the issue and discussing the subjects non-existent reputation for speaking like that, not to mention the article was shown to be written by someone who used to write for the Blaze, I conceded that it wasn't as the writer presented it. It happens. It's what you do when it does, that shows who you are. You're making sure we see you.
It was NOT a gotcha, and I never said it was.




You're right, in that it wasn't the first time I got it wrong. You're so very, very wrong that it was the first time I conceded that I was wrong. So far off.



NO, that did not happen. Where? Link it.



No, I've NEVER said who I was and I've NEVER said who I wasn't. On any of the guesses/accusations. So no, I've never been dishonest about who I was.
If you TRULY think I did and aren't just throwing out baseless accusations to see what sticks again, then link it.




I haven't been caught out in anything. Back up your accusations with facts, not your written VERSION of them. Link them.
I at least admit when I'm wrong. You on the other hand do nothing but try to deflect and make accusations when you make mistakes and then have the glaring lack of self awareness and character to ask ME if *I* reflect on MY mistakes.




I did no such thing. WTH are you even talking about here.



My entire post is spot on and given your lack of character explains why you have turned around every instance YOU fucked up and deflected it back on me by throwing baseless accusations at me.

Like YOU bringing the comparison of the 2 protests here to this thread and then having absolutely no self awareness, try to say I'm divorced from reality for comparing the two. That is the ultimate display of YOU being so blatantly dishonest. Either that, or YOU are divorced from reality. You choose.

You can thank the deep left on this board for that!!!

Equating military requirements with civilian jobs is not a true comparison. 

You are so ill-informed. It’s really a tragedy how ill-informed so many people are. The rules will change when the conditions change. Do you follow the science or the medical news at all?