The truckers protest in Ottawa is out of hand

Ugh. If he’s Anglo-Saxon, then I want out of the group. What a dumb putz.

It's almost like some people don't realize that words mean things.

They just throw them around willy-nilly to see what gets a rise out of people.

I'll pay money to anyone who finds a post of mine that "dehumanizes" people.

I won't even click the 'thumbs up' button on a post where someone calls someone else (usually not a pea but someone in the world like Weinstein or Cosby, etc) a POS or "trash". Even if I don't like the actions of the person being labelled that way.

But the complainers are also the genius thinkers who don't understand that difference between saying

"That's an idiotic thought." vs. "You're an idiot."

The first statement is labeling A THOUGHT. Some thoughts are idiotic. They just are. They can be demonstrated to be so by looking at evidence, data, reality. The second statement is labeling the entire person. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

But too many here don't get the difference between calling out thoughts/beliefs vs. true ad-hominems. They lump them all into the same category and rant about how they're persecuted. No, your IDEAS are being persecuted. You are still a human w/inherent worth and dignity and rights.

I know. I’m just not sure why you’re explaining it to me.

Oh I wasn't explaining it to you personally, I was agree with you about him being dumb. I was pointing out how dumb he actually was in what he was saying in the video.

I can think of a few, but most of them are derogatory against the faultless intellectually impaired, so not very kind or considered acceptable.... 

Maybe what we need is a word for willfully stupid? Or just remaining stupid because that's the position they've already chosen? Obdurate doesn't seem to cover it, but it's as close as can I come OTTOMH.

I don't usually post on this website as I much prefer just reading for interest and information but this particular post contains so much inaccurate information that I feel compelled to clear some of it up. I live in Ottawa. I have been to the protests. My personal experience was that I did not see any sign or flag that was not promoting peace or unity. What I did see were thousands of Canadians coming together to protest our government, something that is 100% legal no matter what your TV announcer tells you. There are some things that being American, you may not know, in particular that our mainstream media in Canada is 100% bought and paid for by the Liberal (Trudeau) government. This means that anything you may read or see from these sources is biased. In fact, they lie. Frequently. Yesterday for example, they reported that a "bicycle" was thrown at a horse which was ridden by a police officer which in turn caused the horse to "trip". Since there are hundreds of protesters recording, what actually happened was caught on video - a group of officers on horses came through the crowd and trampled two people, dislocating one woman's shoulder - a woman who was using a walker. In pictures, the woman's walker was easily seen on the ground beside her. There was no "bicycle". If you want to know what is happening there, the best way to see it is by following people either on Facebook or Instagram or YouTube who regularly livestream straight from the protest.

The idea that these truckers are "terrorists" or "white nationalists" is so inaccurate that it's humourous. The truckers are unilaterally promoting peace. They have been feeding the local homeless with the extra food that has been donated, they've kept the streets clean by shovelling them daily, they've kept the garbage off the streets by cleaning up daily and all of this has been captured on video but you won't see it on the nightly news. These truckers are standing up for every Canadian who feels that the government is not representing them which as it turns out is quite a few people, not the "small fringe minority" that our Prime Minister claimed they were. At this point, millions of people have come to Ottawa to join them and to thank them for their efforts. Some local residents who live close to the protest have complained about the noise from the horns. A judge decreed that there was to be no horn blowing at night and the truckers complied.

What I feel from reading these posts on this thread is that people don't seem to understand the true "why" of these protests. I've read here posts calling the truckers "whiny babies" or something similar. In fact, these truckers and all of Canada have dutifully followed mandates for almost two years. In the province of Quebec (to correct another inaccurate post) if you are unvaccinated you are presently not allowed to enter a store which is 1400 sq. feet or larger. Quebec's premier was recently (until these protests took place) threatening to impose a "health" tax on the unvaccinated. In Ontario we have been wearing masks since this all began, with no end in sight. Some Canadians have now had enough and feel that it's time to ease restrictions. It is their right to feel this way. Others disagree which is also their right. From reading this thread, I see that people think the protesters are acting illegally. There have been parking tickets issued. Those are bylaw infractions. There were people arrested for "mischief". For the people still being held, (some of the organizers) we have yet to see whether these charges will be upheld or whether the arrests were made simply to deter others. From livestreams last night, there were numerous people reporting that they had been "arrested", been put on a bus and driven about 30 minutes away from the protest area and dropped off at a shopping mall and told not to return. They were not asked to sign anything according to them. You can't arrest someone for protesting peacefully and the police know this.

Currently, numerous sections of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms are being overridden due to Canada being declared to be in a "state of emergency" due to Covid. A state of emergency is not something that should go on endlessly. The protesters are asking that all mandates be dropped immediately.

The Prime Minister enacted the "Emergencies Act" a few days ago. This Act used to be named the War Measures Act before it was updated and the name was changed. It was used only 3 times in Canada's history - during the First World War, the Second World War and during the 1970 "October Crisis" which saw the Deputy Premier of Quebec kidnapped and murdered. This protest which has bouncy castles for children and free food for anyone on almost every corner is not comparable to the First or Second World War as you may be able to understand. This Act needs to be voted upon, both by the MP's and then it must pass through the Senate. This must be done in 7 days. It gives the Prime Minister almost total control meanwhile since during an actual war scenario, waiting seven days for a vote would not be useful. Since he has enacted this Act, Trudeau has unleashed hundreds of riot police, regional police, snipers and officers on horses to try to chase off peaceful protesters from legally protesting. The Act is already being disputed as the necessary requirements for enacting it have not been met. Many people see it as Trudeau throwing a "Hail Mary" pass to stay in power.

Currently many of the trucks have left or are leaving. Others are staying. There are thousands of protesters on foot downtown while hundreds of police stare them down. If you want to see what is happening live and for yourself, "VIVA FREI"on YouTube is an ex lawyer who commutes from Montreal to Ottawa every second day or so to walk around and interview people and show an unbiased view of what is going on. "OTTAWALKS" on YouTube does a nightly walk around the streets too. There are many others who are streaming live on FaceBook, Instagram and YouTube.

Maybe not all. But some of them are DEMONSTRABLY so. See above.

That is true and unfortunate but I'm quite sure if you were to ask the other 99.9% of protesters if this video reflected their views they would say "no." 

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are trying to say here. 

You really need to understand who the organizers of this "protest" are because they are proud racists and white nationalists.

The way children have been used over the last couple weeks borders on child abuse IMHO. These people aren't setting up food kitchens to feed the homeless. They can't tell who in the line is homeless, a local protest tourist or white supremacist. When they are shut down it is "but the homeless". 

I put this quote on the other thread and think it fits here, too, from trucknews.com:

sudsy you are delusional. I also live in Ottawa also and for starters you numbers are completely wrong, millions 🤣🤣🤣. I'm not even going to touch the rest of your rehearsed rhetoric

It wasn't a protest it was an occupation and I'm glad to see that is being disbursed and the leaders Pat King and Tamara Lich are rotting in jail until Tuesday at least. Even though Lichs husband came in a private jet to pick her up (sounds like common folk)

Since Wednesday people have been warned in person, by flyer, on all social media to get the hell out. They don't listen to the police there may be some minor injuries. The police have been patient, slow and methodical.

I personally only know two people who have vocalized their support of the occupation and they have been bat shit crazy conspiracy theorists for years so....

I know who the leaders of the protest are because I watch their press conferences. They have a team of lawyers, doctors, scientists, and truck drivers. 

I don't know what child abuse claims you're making but I suspect they are unfounded.

I did not say that the truckers were setting up food kitchens to feed the homeless. I said that "They have been feeding the local homeless with the extra food that has been donated".

In response to your mention of Swastika flags, there was a person sighted flying a flag of this sort and he was forced to leave by angry protesters. Later, a photograph circulated of Prime Minister Trudeau's personal photographer photographing the person with the flag. It looked very much like he had been planted there, since Trudeau's personal photographer has not been sighted at the protest since. Later, there was a group of four or five people sighted carrying a similar flag, at the side of the Chateau Laurier Hotel, on a balcony set back from the protest. I don't think a Swastika flag has been seen since. There was also someone seen with a Confederate flag one day which doesn't really make sense as it has nothing to do with our country. I'm not sure about the dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. If that happened it is unfortunate. As for the Terry Fox memorial being "desecrated", a Canadian flag was placed on it. I guess you can make up your mind about whether you think that's desecration.

I assume you are referring to Tamara Lich.

Not a truck driver, married to a trucker driver or from a truck driving family that I can see. She seems to jump from protest movement to protest movement. Propipeline yellow vests to anti-immigration and western succession have all had her attention and put her on radar of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.