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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 17:37:10 GMT
That is true and unfortunate but I'm quite sure if you were to ask the other 99.9% of protesters if this video reflected their views they would say "no." I understand this was not your personal experience and you may not have seen symbols of white nationalism. But, you're ignoring the bigger picture and disregarding the facts, especially about the organizers. Your estimates of support for the truckers blockade is also inaccurate and overly exaggerated. And it wasn't just a Canadian flag on the statue, it was inverted. www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/17/swastikas-canada-freedom-convoy/www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/08/canada-ottawa-trucker-protest-extremist-qanon-neo-naziwww.politico.com/news/2022/02/14/canadian-truckers-block-bridge-strike-protests-00008620Key organizers of the “Freedom Convoy” include Tamara Lich, who previously worked as the secretary of the Maverick party, a far-right group launched to promote the separation of the country’s three western Prairie Provinces; Maxime Bernier, who leads the far-right People’s Party of Canada; and James and Sandra Bauder, who lead a group calling itself Canada Unity. James Bauder reportedly supports QAnon conspiracy theories and has called for Trudeau to be put on trial for treason because of his pandemic policies.
www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/31/canada-ottawa-protests-trucker-coronavirus-vaccine/Protesters put an inverted Canadian flag — a distress signal — in the arms of the statue of Terry Fox, a Canadian who lost a leg to bone cancer and embarked on a historic cross-country run before his death in 1981 that raised millions of dollars for cancer research.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/canada-anti-vaccine-trucker-protests/622060/ Nearly 60 percent of Canadians find the protesters “offensive and inappropriate.”
By far, the largest supporters of the trucker convoy on social media are Americans, namely Donald Trump and Elon Musk. (One of Trump’s former “science advisers” has attended rallies.) Republican Senator Ted Cruz is way, way more into the trucker convoy than any Canadian Conservative is.
psacunion.ca/psac-condemns-truck-convoy-protests-calls-urgentwww.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/12/world/canada-protest-trudeau The Ottawa police said more than 4,000 demonstrators had been in the city on Saturday. “Safety concerns — arising from aggressive, illegal behavior by many demonstrators — limited police enforcement capabilities,” they said in a statement.
www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?newsId=bed085e8-7c29-4b03-beb5-85862d682fd4&lang=enThe news organizations and articles that you are linking to here are fraught with misinformation and outright lies, which is why I chose to address this thread in the first place. One small example is that at no point was Maxime Bernier considered an "organizer" of this event. I don't have the time to go through all of these articles to point out all of the errors. All I can say is that if you're getting your news from the NYT or the Washington Post, you're never going to know what the truth is. That is why I'm explaining that watching the live feeds is the only way to understand what is happening. And this applies to any ongoing news situation. Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself.
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Post by sideways on Feb 20, 2022 17:42:02 GMT
The news organizations and articles that you are linking to here are fraught with misinformation and outright lies, which is why I chose to address this thread in the first place. One small example is that at no point was Maxime Bernier considered an "organizer" of this event. I don't have the time to go through all of these articles to point out all of the errors. All I can say is that if you're getting your news from the NYT or the Washington Post, you're never going to know what the truth is. That is why I'm explaining that watching the live feeds is the only way to understand what is happening. And this applies to any ongoing news situation. Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself.
Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no grasp on reality. What’s next? Recommending OAN, Newsmax, and RT? Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2022 17:42:23 GMT
Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself. That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc?
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 17:45:31 GMT
" Good googly," - I'm sorry but I don't know what this means " Child abuse, IMHO, is putting your kids between yourself and the police. What parent would bring their kids into a situation where they (the parents) are likely to be arrested?" Do you expect to be arrested when you do lawful things? Peaceful protests are lawful. I think I've mentioned that this one is no different. Are you not aware of the urinating? Defecating? Could you provide a link to this please? I'd like to see it. It was more than a flag placed on Terry Fox, a Canadian treasure who should be remembered with respect and not hijacked by anti-science goons. If you really understand who he was and what his legacy for cancer research is, you wouldn't be so dismissive about how his statue was desecrated. As a Canadian, I definitely "understand" who Terry Fox is. It's almost insulting of you to insinuate that I wouldn't. You saying "what his legacy for cancer research is" suggests to me that you looked him up immediately before writing this. You're talking to someone who watched him nightly on the 10 o'clock news, running across Canada as he did it, wept when he died and paid homage to him yearly by participating in Terry Fox events for most of my life. Declaring that his statue was desecrated by placing a Canadian flag on it is contradictory as far as I'm concerned. He wore a Canadian flag on his chest as he ran across Canada! He was a proud Canadian. good googly = good gravy = good lord = bless your heart Peaceful protests are lawful. Taking your kids to watch what is happening for an hour or two is one thing, but a weeks long extended field trip to sit in the middle of blaring horns, exhaust and protesters shouting expletives means calls have been made to the Children's Aid Society. From this Washington Post article, Children's Aid Society was asking parents to make arrangements for their children should they (the parents) be arrested. The police were very patient IMHO with the warnings they gave. You don't get to take their kids with you when arrested. Hard pass on linking you to the desecration at The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Yikes, do that google search yourself. I'm a Canadian from BC, the same age as Terry Fox. Well, a couple years younger, with friends that studied kinesiology with him at SFU. And followed his journey before the rest of the country started watching the Marathon of Hope. So, yup, no need for me to google him. And it wasn't just putting a flag on the statue that has people upset. Taking your kids to watch what is happening for an hour or two is one thing, but a weeks long extended field trip to sit in the middle of blaring horns, exhaust and protesters shouting expletives means calls have been made to the Children's Aid Society. There is no time limit on a peaceful protest. As long as the injurious behaviour is continuing, there is reason for the protest to continue. The Children's Aid took no action, because there was none to be taken. Hard pass on linking you to the desecration at The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Yikes, do that google search yourself. I did. And found nothing. That's why I was asking you for a link.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 17:47:25 GMT
The news organizations and articles that you are linking to here are fraught with misinformation and outright lies, which is why I chose to address this thread in the first place. One small example is that at no point was Maxime Bernier considered an "organizer" of this event. I don't have the time to go through all of these articles to point out all of the errors. All I can say is that if you're getting your news from the NYT or the Washington Post, you're never going to know what the truth is. That is why I'm explaining that watching the live feeds is the only way to understand what is happening. And this applies to any ongoing news situation. Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself.
Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no grasp on reality. What’s next? Recommending OAN, Newsmax, and RT? Thanks for the laugh. No, my recommendation was to watch events live as they are happening and to form your own opinion.
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Post by belgravia on Feb 20, 2022 17:50:33 GMT
Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself. That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? [b If you’re getting all your info from social media and ignoring main stream media, I guess that explains why you missed the desecration of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the Terry Fox statue. I mean, do we really expect the protesters to live stream themselves using the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as a toilet?? I saw multiple pictures of the yellow snow, 🤮 all reported by the evil media.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 17:50:35 GMT
Mainstream media isn't dependable anymore. You have to use social media to see things for yourself. That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? I could spend all afternoon pointing out inaccuracies in reporting. What I'm suggesting is that watching live feeds of ongoing events (from a broad spectrum of people if you want to see all "angles") is better than being fed small tidbits with "spin". These days every second person has their camera out filming things - there are many sources to choose from.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 20, 2022 17:52:38 GMT
Thanks for confirming that you have absolutely no grasp on reality. What’s next? Recommending OAN, Newsmax, and RT? Thanks for the laugh. No, my recommendation was to watch events live as they are happening and to form your own opinion. Yep I did that - and my view is the complete opposite of yours. I watched this unfold on social media - absolutely disgusting behaviour because she dared to speak out on what was really behind this convoy:
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2022 17:53:40 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? I could spend all afternoon pointing out inaccuracies in reporting. What I'm suggesting is that watching live feeds of ongoing events (from a broad spectrum of people if you want to see all "angles") is better than being fed small tidbits with "spin". These days every second person has their camera out filming things - there are many sources to choose from. Certainly there's a lot to point out when it comes to certain news channels etc!
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 17:58:27 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? [b If you’re getting all your info from social media and ignoring main stream media, I guess that explains why you missed the desecration of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the Terry Fox statue. I mean, do we really expect the protesters to live stream themselves using the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as a toilet?? I saw multiple pictures of the yellow snow, 🤮 all reported by the evil media. You saw yellow snow and assumed that a human urinated in that spot. If you aren't presented with a video or weren't there live to see it, you really have no idea who or what urinated there. When I see yellow snow, the first image that comes to mind is not a human urinating.
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Post by belgravia on Feb 20, 2022 18:01:58 GMT
[b If you’re getting all your info from social media and ignoring main stream media, I guess that explains why you missed the desecration of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the Terry Fox statue. I mean, do we really expect the protesters to live stream themselves using the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as a toilet?? I saw multiple pictures of the yellow snow, 🤮 all reported by the evil media. You saw yellow snow and assumed that a human urinated in that spot. If you aren't presented with a video or weren't there live to see it, you really have no idea who or what urinated there. When I see yellow snow, the first image that comes to mind is not a human urinating. Combined with reports of protestors urinating and defecating? Photos showing multiple instances, not just some redneck that let their dog pee on the monument? I feel like you’re really making a concerted effort to see only what you want to see here.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 18:10:46 GMT
No, my recommendation was to watch events live as they are happening and to form your own opinion. Yep I did that - and my view is the complete opposite of yours. I watched this unfold on social media - absolutely disgusting behaviour because she dared to speak out on what was really behind this convoy: While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists".
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 20, 2022 18:11:03 GMT
There is no time limit on a peaceful protest. As long as the injurious behaviour is continuing, there is reason for the protest to continue. The Children's Aid took no action, because there was none to be taken. I think you missed the part where the Emergencies Act was invoked. There is a time limit on the occupation and the police were incredibly patient in educating the crowd as to what would happen next and giving them ample time to leave before arrests started. The Children's Aid Society of Ottawa (CASO) is not going to make public comments on complaints, tips and/or investigations. CASO absolutely did make statements urging parents to have a care plan for their children in place as the arrests started. CTV coverage
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 18:12:06 GMT
You saw yellow snow and assumed that a human urinated in that spot. If you aren't presented with a video or weren't there live to see it, you really have no idea who or what urinated there. When I see yellow snow, the first image that comes to mind is not a human urinating. Combined with reports of protestors urinating and defecating? Photos showing multiple instances, not just some redneck that let their dog pee on the monument? I feel like you’re really making a concerted effort to see only what you want to see here. I'm willing to change my mind. I heard the reports too. I'd just like to see the photos that's all.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 18:23:42 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement now...and are you suggesting that random people on SM don't have bias, specific angles, agendas etc? I could spend all afternoon pointing out inaccuracies in reporting. What I'm suggesting is that watching live feeds of ongoing events (from a broad spectrum of people if you want to see all "angles") is better than being fed small tidbits with "spin". These days every second person has their camera out filming things - there are many sources to choose from. Sorry, but you have that ass backwards. No, eyewitness accounts are wildly inaccurate. Just because Trump likes to shout fake news or lame stream media when they report something he doesn’t like, that doesn’t mean the media is wrong or inaccurate. Washington Post, NYT, mainstream media all have ethics, integrity and standards. They use actual sources for information, sources that can be verified and multiple sources. Their opinion pieces have a bias, but their news is factual and accurate. They post retractions and corrections when they get it wrong. There are plenty of sources like NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters that are mostly neutral and don’t have a spin. Everyone on social media has a bias or spin. There’s no way to know something on social media hasn’t been edited. And people on social media do not follow journalism standards. There is plenty of misinformation and disinformation on social media. Look at all if the different sources I linked. Are you saying all if them are wrong based on your personal experience? Maybe if that many sources are telling you the same thing, there’s something to what they’re saying.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 18:24:03 GMT
There is no time limit on a peaceful protest. As long as the injurious behaviour is continuing, there is reason for the protest to continue. The Children's Aid took no action, because there was none to be taken. I think you missed the part where the Emergencies Act was invoked. There is a time limit on the occupation and the police were incredibly patient in educating the crowd as to what would happen next and giving them ample time to leave before arrests started. The Children's Aid Society of Ottawa (CASO) is not going to make public comments on complaints, tips and/or investigations. CASO absolutely did make statements urging parents to have a care plan for their children in place as the arrests started. CTV coverageI discussed the Emergencies Act thoroughly in my initial post. It will be voted upon by the MP's on Monday and if passed will then be voted upon by the Senate. Yes, the Children's Aid Society made statements but took no action to remove children because it wasn't necessary.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 18:31:37 GMT
I could spend all afternoon pointing out inaccuracies in reporting. What I'm suggesting is that watching live feeds of ongoing events (from a broad spectrum of people if you want to see all "angles") is better than being fed small tidbits with "spin". These days every second person has their camera out filming things - there are many sources to choose from. Sorry, but you have that ass backwards. No, eyewitness accounts are wildly inaccurate. Just because Trump likes to shout fake news when they report something he doesn’t like, that doesn’t mean the media is wrong or inaccurate. Washington Post, NYT, mainstream media all have ethics, integrity and standards. They use actual sources for information, sources that can be verified and multiple sources. Their opinion pieces have a bias, but their news is factual and accurate. They post retractions and corrections when they get it wrong. There are plenty of sources like NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters that are mostly neutral and don’t have a spin. Everyone on social media has a bias or spin. There’s no way to know something on social media hasn’t been edited. And people on social media do not follow journalism standards. There is plenty of misinformation and disinformation on social media. Look at all if the different sources I linked. Are you saying all if them are wrong based on your personal experience? Maybe if that many sources are telling you the same thing, there’s something to what they’re saying. I was talking about your eyes. Your eyewitness account. While watching it live. As it's happening. If you think that's inaccurate, well I'm not sure what to say. What I'm saying is that watching something live, not selected clips which are edited after the fact and chosen selectively, is my choice.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 18:34:30 GMT
I think you missed the part where the Emergencies Act was invoked. There is a time limit on the occupation and the police were incredibly patient in educating the crowd as to what would happen next and giving them ample time to leave before arrests started. The Children's Aid Society of Ottawa (CASO) is not going to make public comments on complaints, tips and/or investigations. CASO absolutely did make statements urging parents to have a care plan for their children in place as the arrests started. CTV coverageI discussed the Emergencies Act thoroughly in my initial post. It will be voted upon by the MP's on Monday and if passed will then be voted upon by the Senate. Yes, the Children's Aid Society made statements but took no action to remove children because it wasn't necessary. The fact that the Children’s Aid society became involved at all should tell you something. And it’s too soon to declare they took no action. The Emergencies Act prohibited children from being there. The police were incredibly patient and gave lots of warnings to allow people to leave peacefully. ottawa.ctvnews.ca/children-s-aid-society-urges-ottawa-convoy-protesters-to-make-arrangements-for-kids-care-1.5783725www.ctvnews.ca/politics/emergencies-act-5-notable-new-powers-enacted-by-the-government-1.5783516
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Post by cakediva on Feb 20, 2022 18:37:41 GMT
While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists". Yes she is in Waterloo. She’s a local BIPOC educator and quite highly regarded by many. She posted about the “heads” of this convoy - Pat King and the others. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 18:38:58 GMT
Sorry, but you have that ass backwards. No, eyewitness accounts are wildly inaccurate. Just because Trump likes to shout fake news when they report something he doesn’t like, that doesn’t mean the media is wrong or inaccurate. Washington Post, NYT, mainstream media all have ethics, integrity and standards. They use actual sources for information, sources that can be verified and multiple sources. Their opinion pieces have a bias, but their news is factual and accurate. They post retractions and corrections when they get it wrong. There are plenty of sources like NPR, PBS, BBC, Reuters that are mostly neutral and don’t have a spin. Everyone on social media has a bias or spin. There’s no way to know something on social media hasn’t been edited. And people on social media do not follow journalism standards. There is plenty of misinformation and disinformation on social media. Look at all if the different sources I linked. Are you saying all if them are wrong based on your personal experience? Maybe if that many sources are telling you the same thing, there’s something to what they’re saying. I was talking about your eyes. Your eyewitness account. While watching it live. As it's happening. If you think that's inaccurate, well I'm not sure what to say. What I'm saying is that watching something live, not selected clips which are edited after the fact and chosen selectively, is my choice. Maybe look at the actual science. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate. 10 people watching the same live video and see 10 different things, reach 10 different conclusions. The other problem with live videos is that you’re only seeing something from one perspective. What you’re seeing might be misleading if you’re only seeing what’s happening in one specific place on a specific street from a specific perspective. Missing the forest for the trees. www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.htmlwww.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dna/photos/eye/text_06.htmltheconversation.com/how-social-media-can-distort-and-misinform-when-communicating-science-59044www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/557417264/manipulation
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 18:39:36 GMT
The POV of an individual who lives in Centretown in Ottawa: youtu.be/lefgzwt2SjYI guess her view of the “peaceful” protest isn’t as valid as those that support another viewpoint.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 18:40:57 GMT
you surely can't be serious ? Governments around the world are holding social media platforms to account BECAUSE they are a hive of misinformation, lies and conspiracy theories. You know in their view that’s just government “silencing” the truth. 🙄
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 18:59:01 GMT
The fact that the Children’s Aid society became involved at all should tell you something. The fact that they did not find any child in need of being removed should tell you something. And it’s too soon to declare they took no action. The Emergencies Act prohibited children from being there. You may not be following this story too closely so I'll explain to you that the trucks are no longer in the protest area due to riot police moving in with tear gas, rubber bullets and LRAD machines. The police were incredibly patient If I may translate for you, the police were incredibly "patient" as you put it, because they had no legal right to do anything to peaceful protesters until the Emergencies Act was invoked (an Act meant for wartime, which has not yet been passed in the House of Commons and which technically does not apply to peaceful protests).
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 20, 2022 18:59:15 GMT
I discussed the Emergencies Act thoroughly in my initial post. It will be voted upon by the MP's on Monday and if passed will then be voted upon by the Senate. Yes, the Children's Aid Society made statements but took no action to remove children because it wasn't necessary. So you do understand the EA went into effect immediately, but still call it a peaceful protest that should be allowed to continue. OK, you be you. The fact that CASO has had any involvement is the problem. Their actions are the reason children weren't removed.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 20, 2022 19:08:10 GMT
The fact that CASO has had any involvement is the problem. Their actions are the reason children weren't removed. Unfortunately the Humane Society was involved with a dog being abandoned.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 19:21:23 GMT
While I don't condone what the respondents said, if I were to disseminate lies I would expect a nasty reaction. I have already explained what happened when someone attempted to bring "the flag" through the protest and that Justine Trudeau's photographer was caught there photographing the person holding the flag. If you'll notice, this person is posting from Waterloo Ontario which is not where the protest that this thread is about is located. I'm going to guess that she was not at the protest and therefore cannot offer any additional helpful information, such as pictures or videos of "white nationalists". Yes she is in Waterloo. She’s a local BIPOC educator and quite highly regarded by many. She posted about the “heads” of this convoy - Pat King and the others. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy. She posted about the “heads” of this convoy - Pat King and the others. I think I've already mentioned that if you watch a press conference with the "leaders" of the convoy, you won't see Pat King sitting at the table. And while this convoy may have started by some who believed the mandates were wrong, it morphed into something else. Having a demand to have our elected prime minister step down so they could form a new government with the senate. That is not how our democracy works. If you watched the last press conference given by Tom Marazzo, he said that demanding that Trudeau step down was not one of their requests. The dropping of all mandates was their request. the people sending her thousands of threats are all convoy supporters. It doesn’t matter that she’s not there walking among them. She spoke her believes and received thousands of threats because of it. Because she’s a person of colour who dared to speak out against the leaders of this convoy. What she did, in fact, was try to paint a picture that portrayed the convoy as being racist and "white nationalist". I'm going to try to explain this to you simply. People who are vehemently racist or "white nationalist" are likely not going to band together with members of all races and skin colours to unite as one, hug in public, take selfies together in public and declare in public that they love one another. Which is exactly what happened all through the protest. Most people after seeing this repeatedly, can deduce that the "racist" moniker doesn't fit. I'm sorry that you can't.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 19:26:25 GMT
I discussed the Emergencies Act thoroughly in my initial post. It will be voted upon by the MP's on Monday and if passed will then be voted upon by the Senate. Yes, the Children's Aid Society made statements but took no action to remove children because it wasn't necessary. So you do understand the EA went into effect immediately, but still call it a peaceful protest that should be allowed to continue. OK, you be you. The fact that CASO has had any involvement is the problem. Their actions are the reason children weren't removed. So you do understand the EA went into effect immediately, but still call it a peaceful protest that should be allowed to continue. OK, you be you. So you do understand that the protest went from peaceful to non-peaceful because riot police were ordered to step in with tear gas, rubber bullets and LRAD equipment, right? Their actions are the reason children weren't removed. Children weren't removed because there was no reason to remove them.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 19:35:07 GMT
The POV of an individual who lives in Centretown in Ottawa: youtu.be/lefgzwt2SjYI guess her view of the “peaceful” protest isn’t as valid as those that support another viewpoint. Her view is valid. So are the views of millions of Canadians who have lost their jobs permanently, committed suicide, not been able to deal with the constant stress of being unemployed, had a loved one who died alone in a hospital room, had a loved one who's funeral they couldn't attend etc. Her problem is temporary. Theirs is permanent. Hopefully you can appreciate the difference.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 19:55:11 GMT
sudsy said I think that most people would be able to see the difference in a person proudly wearing his country's flag correctly on his chest while running and to what was portrayed on Terry Fox's statue by the protestors. I don't think for one moment that Terry Fox wore his country's flag upside down did he or had a freedom placard attached to his chest. In fact I think he would be horrified. You think Terry Fox would be horrified by people protesting for freedom? I certainly don't.
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