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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 18:26:38 GMT
Why on earth would anyone think they’re owed an audience with government officials? Why would they think the government is not already aware of their desires? I don’t know about you, but I don’t get to unilaterally “schedule” something in the president’s day and then get mad and “declare war” - or extend my protest without a permit - when he doesn’t show up. Is this sort of thing common in Canada? I know. I get stuck on this too. Why did they think they were owed an audience with government officials in some self-scheduled event that they staged? Life just doesn't work that way. This is just a guess. Here in the US, I hear Trumpers say things that make me believe that they think that most people agree with them. This might explain why they persist in thinking that the election was stolen. I wonder if Canadian conservatives think the same thing. I could be wrong, but I cannot think of any other plausible reason.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 18:36:56 GMT
I know. I get stuck on this too. Why did they think they were owed an audience with government officials in some self-scheduled event that they staged? Life just doesn't work that way. Guess I'll schedule a press conference with Gov. Abbott to air my grievances, and when he doesn't show, I'll have thousands of my buddies camp out and have a big love-in on Congress Ave in front of the Texas capitol for three weeks. Will be totally peaceful! I'm sure none of the businesses, or the people who live and work in that area, will mind making the sacrifice because dammit, I deserve to be personally heard on a topic that is already debated in the public forum ad nauseam! The obvious difference here is that you are one person and this group numbered in the tens of thousands, with valid issues, none of which were being resolved in parliament. That is why they were protesting.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 18:41:24 GMT
The protestors accused him of treason. And threatened his safety - he and his family had to move to a safe location. And you think he should have negotiated with them? And negotiated what exactly? We've already covered that Trudeau doesn't have the authority to change provincial covid restrictions. And truckers have to be vaccinated to enter the US. Do you expect Trudeau to fix that? The Canadian vaccination requirement to cross back into Canada is kind of irrelevant if they have to be vaccinated to enter the US. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60190452THIS! Our PM's life was being threatened and an over throw of the government. Could you please link to a quote where someone threatened his life? Their one request was to drop all mandates, not overthrow the governement as was mentioned by Tom Marazzo in his last press conference
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 18:45:32 GMT
Guess I'll schedule a press conference with Gov. Abbott to air my grievances, and when he doesn't show, I'll have thousands of my buddies camp out and have a big love-in on Congress Ave in front of the Texas capitol for three weeks. Will be totally peaceful! I'm sure none of the businesses, or the people who live and work in that area, will mind making the sacrifice because dammit, I deserve to be personally heard on a topic that is already debated in the public forum ad nauseam! The obvious difference here is that you are one person and this group numbered in the tens of thousands, with valid issues, none of which were being resolved in parliament. That is why they were protesting. MILLIONS of women protested Trump’s election. I don’t remember demands for meetings or weeks-long illegal blockades. just because you have masses behind you doesn’t mean you’re owed meetings w democratically elected leaders. We had millions nationwide not thousands.
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 21, 2022 18:50:09 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplified?
Hmmm.
Our bodies, our choice?
Hmmm.
You have to look into the history and lives of the founders and leaders of your movement?
Hmmm.
You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom of choice to prefer to treat a possible viral infection with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of having their entire families continually injected with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection and are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies.
But... WHITE SUPREMACY!
Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.
The true arrogance of white privilege on full display.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 18:54:03 GMT
Father of accused in alleged Coutts blockade murder conspiracy says son was radicalized online, as others dispute RCMP narrative
"Lysak was tied to the far-right, extremist group known as Diagolon by the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, which this week shared a photo to social media it said was Chris Lysak standing with the leader of the group.
“This is not a movement of angry frustrated truck drivers. … These are people who want to bring about a violent revolution in order to create a white ethno-state,” said Stephanie Carvin, a national security expert, speaking generally about the group."...
“Several of the individuals at Coutts have strong ties to a far-right extreme organization with leaders who are in Ottawa,” said Mendicino. “We’re talking about a group that is organized, agile, more knowledgeable and driven by an extremist ideology where might makes right.”
Gee, you don't say. A bunch of man babies using violence to establish their will over the will of democracies. Shocking!
www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/17/father-of-accused-in-alleged-coutts-blockade-murder-conspiracy-says-son-was-radicalized-online-as-others-dispute-rcmp-narrative.htmlThis actually made me laugh. "Diagolon" is a fictional flag not an extremist group. The government is reaching so hard to find a culprit here that they're now fabricating them. A guy was joking around on his podcast one night that if you drew a diagonal line from Western Canada (and Alaska) to the Eastern US that the included areas seemed to be in agreement politically. Hence, the flag of Diagolon was created. I guess it sounds scary?
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 21, 2022 18:55:11 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplifed?
Hmmm.
Our bodies, our choice?
Hmmm.
You have to look into the history and the lives of the founders and leaders of your movement?
Hmmm.
You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes even newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom to choose to treat possible viral infections with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of continually injecting their entire families with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection but are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies.
But... WHITE SUPREMACY!
Say the people supporting a corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.
The true arrogance of white privilege on full display.
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Post by lesley on Feb 21, 2022 18:56:46 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplified? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom of choice to prefer to treat a possible viral infection with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of having their entire families continually injected with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection and are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. Oh lordy, now the crazy and the delusion is on full display. So many women out there wanting to kill their newborn.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 18:59:12 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplified? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom of choice to prefer to treat a possible viral infection with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of having their entire families continually injected with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection and are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. Oh please. Look no further than a conservative trying to compare abortion—a legal healthcare option for women—to a pandemic. Me wanting to abort a fetus only affects ME. Not you, not my community, not my state, not my government. And pandemic, not the same. But you already know that. (Or are you just really dumb?) You know how many Republican politicians are reaping $$$$$ on big pharma, specifically profiting from the vaccines? Republican politicians don’t want people to stop getting them in reality, because it’s funding their retirement! And you’re a liar. The vaccines have been repeatedly been proven to stop, slow, and mitigate the virus. White supremacy??? Are you kidding? You’d think by your post that you support it—that it’s the liberals only opposing it. 🙄🙄 You’re only permitted to push those echo chamber republican fear mongering talking points.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 19:03:06 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplified? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom of choice to prefer to treat a possible viral infection with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of having their entire families continually injected with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection and are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. Oh please. Look no further than a conservative trying to compare abortion—a legal healthcare option for women—to a pandemic. Me wanting to abort a fetus only affects ME. Not you, not my community, not my state, not my government. And pandemic, not the same. But you already know that. (Or are you just really dumb?) You’re only permitted to push those echo chamber republican fear mongering talking points. I hate to point out the obvious here but it also affects the fetus. If you would have preferred to be the result of an abortion then I could see how you would agree with it, otherwise you're a hypocrite.
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 21, 2022 19:18:19 GMT
The Women's Marches lasted one day. One. No one occupied any city for weeks on end. Permits were obtained. No one blocked a major bridge. And I do seem to recall plenty of people here, possibly even you, picking out photos of those you deemed "bad apples" at those events who were wearing shirts or had posters y'all thought were obscene. I recall pictures being posted of "trash left all over" at the DC march, when in actuality what you saw were marchers' posters left at the white house fence as a message, and which were subsequently picked up by organizers. So you can stuff it with your "double standard" argument. Or else give us your address, so I can organize thousands of people to stand in front of your house, sing loudly, honk their horns, blow exhaust, and harass you every time you go in or out for the next three weeks. I'll organize another thousand to block the route to your employer so that no money can be made and you don't get paid. For weeks. These people will have a legitimate grievance, so you can't tell them to go away. They get to stay and the police won't help at all. We'll organize live feeds so other people can watch for hours on end and let you know how well-behaved all the protesters are. And then you can talk to us about how badly these poor, poor souls in Ottawa have been treated. (And don't even talk to me or any public school teacher about being a hero one day and a villain the next. SMDH, how tone deaf can you be?) ETA because I keep seeing more stupid comments in your rant. You know damn good and well that the marches were never just about one comment that Trump made. But keep on with the lies you tell yourself to justify your support of the worst president of all time, particularly where human rights (including women's rights) are concerned. Just don't expect any of us to believe them. I love you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 19:32:46 GMT
Oh please. Look no further than a conservative trying to compare abortion—a legal healthcare option for women—to a pandemic. Me wanting to abort a fetus only affects ME. Not you, not my community, not my state, not my government. And pandemic, not the same. But you already know that. (Or are you just really dumb?) You’re only permitted to push those echo chamber republican fear mongering talking points. I hate to point out the obvious here but it also affects the fetus. If you would have preferred to be the result of an abortion then I could see how you would agree with it, otherwise you're a hypocrite. A fetus is not a child. That does not make me a hypocrite.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 19:36:00 GMT
Oh please. Look no further than a conservative trying to compare abortion—a legal healthcare option for women—to a pandemic. Me wanting to abort a fetus only affects ME. Not you, not my community, not my state, not my government. And pandemic, not the same. But you already know that. (Or are you just really dumb?) You’re only permitted to push those echo chamber republican fear mongering talking points. I hate to point out the obvious here but it also affects the fetus. If you would have preferred to be the result of an abortion then I could see how you would agree with it, otherwise you're a hypocrite. While we're showing fake concern over a fetus, how do you feel about the unvaccinated mothers who have died during pregnancy and took their fetus with them? Bet that fetus wishes she'd been vaccinated like the actual experts told her to be.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 19:38:00 GMT
I hate to point out the obvious here but it also affects the fetus. If you would have preferred to be the result of an abortion then I could see how you would agree with it, otherwise you're a hypocrite. A fetus is not a child. That does not make me a hypocrite. I'm sorry but whether a fetus is a child or not has nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 19:39:55 GMT
Guess I'll schedule a press conference with Gov. Abbott to air my grievances, and when he doesn't show, I'll have thousands of my buddies camp out and have a big love-in on Congress Ave in front of the Texas capitol for three weeks. Will be totally peaceful! I'm sure none of the businesses, or the people who live and work in that area, will mind making the sacrifice because dammit, I deserve to be personally heard on a topic that is already debated in the public forum ad nauseam! The obvious difference here is that you are one person and this group numbered in the tens of thousands, with valid issues, none of which were being resolved in parliament. That is why they were protesting. OK, so if I gather up the millions of people in Texas who are pissed off that people like you are making life harder for everyone, can we demand an audience with the governor? Of course not. You don't get to just "schedule" something because you say it is so and then declare "war" when your target doesn't fall in line. Going back to that toddler tantrum analogy ...
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 19:42:55 GMT
Father of accused in alleged Coutts blockade murder conspiracy says son was radicalized online, as others dispute RCMP narrative
"Lysak was tied to the far-right, extremist group known as Diagolon by the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, which this week shared a photo to social media it said was Chris Lysak standing with the leader of the group.
“This is not a movement of angry frustrated truck drivers. … These are people who want to bring about a violent revolution in order to create a white ethno-state,” said Stephanie Carvin, a national security expert, speaking generally about the group."...
“Several of the individuals at Coutts have strong ties to a far-right extreme organization with leaders who are in Ottawa,” said Mendicino. “We’re talking about a group that is organized, agile, more knowledgeable and driven by an extremist ideology where might makes right.”
Gee, you don't say. A bunch of man babies using violence to establish their will over the will of democracies. Shocking!
www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/17/father-of-accused-in-alleged-coutts-blockade-murder-conspiracy-says-son-was-radicalized-online-as-others-dispute-rcmp-narrative.htmlThis actually made me laugh. "Diagolon" is a fictional flag not an extremist group. The government is reaching so hard to find a culprit here that they're now fabricating them. A guy was joking around on his podcast one night that if you drew a diagonal line from Western Canada (and Alaska) to the Eastern US that the included areas seemed to be in agreement politically. Hence, the flag of Diagolon was created. I guess it sounds scary? Wrong again. vervetimes.com/diagolon-extremist-threat-or-online-joke/You've really got your head wedged up there pretty far, don't you.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 19:46:07 GMT
THIS! Our PM's life was being threatened and an over throw of the government. Could you please link to a quote where someone threatened his life? Their one request was to drop all mandates, not overthrow the governement as was mentioned by Tom Marazzo in his last press conference www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-protest-racist-death-threat-sexist-1.6157617Lots more if you care to search, BTW. Ooops. Guess you're wrong again!
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 19:52:03 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplified? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom of choice to prefer to treat a possible viral infection with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of having their entire families continually injected with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection and are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. If this is aimed at me, try and have enough spine to tag me or to reply directly. I like to know when you crawl out of your hole again so I can give your Trumpian word salad of meaningless bullshit the big "fuck you" it deserves. You need to step away from the conspiracy sites, stop salivating over live feeds from people giving you only the POV you prefer, and get back out in the world. Aren't your children ashamed of you by now?
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 21, 2022 20:02:11 GMT
Does anyone know what corporation this is?
“ Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.”
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 20:19:57 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplifed? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and the lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes even newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom to choose to treat possible viral infections with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of continually injecting their entire families with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection but are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting a corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. The thing is, someone else’s abortion won’t make me sick.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 21, 2022 20:24:02 GMT
This actually made me laugh. "Diagolon" is a fictional flag not an extremist group. The government is reaching so hard to find a culprit here that they're now fabricating them. A guy was joking around on his podcast one night that if you drew a diagonal line from Western Canada (and Alaska) to the Eastern US that the included areas seemed to be in agreement politically. Hence, the flag of Diagolon was created. I guess it sounds scary? Wrong again. vervetimes.com/diagolon-extremist-threat-or-online-joke/You've really got your head wedged up there pretty far, don't you.Your manner of speaking is gross and I'm not sure you even realize it. Do you speak to people in real life like that? You're drinking the Kool Aid that the media is providing you with and again, are completely oblivious. You've just learned about Diagolon through a well crafted online news article. A group of boys with guns and a flag. Now you think they're terrorists. If I wasn't Canadian and didn't already know who these guys were, I might think the same thing. I'm not here to change your mind because at this point I realize who I'm dealing with and that it's not possible. Critical thinking is not your forte. Fine. You don't have the time or the energy or the will to get to the bottom of things. It's not easy. I get it. But you're talking about something you know nothing about other than a news article and are trying to sound superior with vulgar language and 2 second Googling skills. It's honestly humourous. Please keep it up because at this point it's enjoyable. Next you'll be telling me that I'm a white supremacist. Your type falls for this sort of thing so easily. It's thoroughly predictable.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2022 20:33:30 GMT
Your manner of speaking is gross and I'm not sure you even realize it. Do you speak to people in real life like that? You're drinking the Kool Aid that the media is providing you with and again, are completely oblivious. You've just learned about Diagolon through a well crafted online news article. A group of boys with guns and a flag. Now you think they're terrorists. If I wasn't Canadian and didn't already know who these guys were, I might think the same thing. I'm not here to change your mind because at this point I realize who I'm dealing with and that it's not possible. Critical thinking is not your forte. Fine. You don't have the time or the energy or the will to get to the bottom of things. It's not easy. I get it. But you're talking about something you know nothing about other than a news article and are trying to sound superior with vulgar language and 2 second Googling skills. It's honestly humourous. Please keep it up because at this point it's enjoyable. Next you'll be telling me that I'm a white supremacist. Your type falls for this sort of thing so easily. It's thoroughly predictable. Honey, if I were you I’d be less worried about my language and more worried about how easy it is for anyone to show you’re a fool with just two seconds of googling. It’s hilarious to me that a YouTube whackadoodle addicted to confirmation bias thinks she’s able to lecture anyone on critical thinking. ETA: plenty of information online about the potential terrorist group using the "Diagalon" flag as a symbol. It may have started as satire, but the people using it are anything but funny. From The GuardianBesides detailing this group, we also get more proof of threats on Trudeau's life, which you claimed hadn't happened. What's up with that? You're defending and deflecting on behalf of a far-right neo-fascist group. But yeah, it's everyone else who struggles with critical thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 20:39:56 GMT
I hate to point out the obvious here but it also affects the fetus. If you would have preferred to be the result of an abortion then I could see how you would agree with it, otherwise you're a hypocrite. A fetus is not a child. That does not make me a hypocrite. Even if it is, no child has the right to my blood, bone marrow, etc w/o my continued permission.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 21, 2022 20:40:23 GMT
Does anyone know what corporation this is? “ Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.” I’m only guessing. Pfizer. She might be referring to the Kano Experiment. (Some black children died, but I don’t recall anywhere near tens of millions. I might be mistaken because it’s been a very long time. I recall Washington Post was the one that did the exposé.)
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 21, 2022 20:45:15 GMT
This applies here, I think.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 21:04:03 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplifed? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and the lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes even newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom to choose to treat possible viral infections with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of continually injecting their entire families with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection but are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting a corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. The thing is, someone else’s abortion won’t make me sick. Or kill me or my grandchildren!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2022 21:06:53 GMT
Does anyone know what corporation this is? “ Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.” I’m only guessing. Pfizer. She might be referring to the Kano Experiment. (Some black children died, but I don’t recall anywhere near tens of millions. I might be mistaken because it’s been a very long time. I recall Washington Post was the one that did the exposé.) We could include the previous administration for some. No, not millions, maybe thousands?
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 21, 2022 21:19:18 GMT
Does anyone know what corporation this is? “ Say the people supporting the corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children.” I’m only guessing. Pfizer. She might be referring to the Kano Experiment. (Some black children died, but I don’t recall anywhere near tens of millions. I might be mistaken because it’s been a very long time. I recall Washington Post was the one that did the exposé.) This? KANO, Nigeria — By the time Pfizer arrived, the meningitis epidemic had struck hundreds of children, leaving many dead or partially paralyzed. The American pharmaceutical giant pledged to fight the 1996 outbreak in West Africa while testing a new drug, enrolling 200 stricken young patients in a clinical trial. Eleven died of the brain infection — an outcome Pfizer said was in line with results from standard treatment — and families in Kano, along with the state government, later received millions of dollars in a lawsuit settlement.“
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 21, 2022 21:38:37 GMT
I'm guessing it's referring to Pfizer manufacturing abortion drugs - considering the direction the thread moved. But there may also be a site where someone made up numbers.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 21, 2022 21:40:44 GMT
A fetus is not a child. That does not make me a hypocrite. I'm sorry but whether a fetus is a child or not has nothing to do with what I said. Sure it does. A fetus is not a decision making body.
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