The truckers protest in Ottawa is out of hand

Bwaashahahaaaaa!!!


Such brainwashy drivel
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These protestors think they are being oppressed, but they are not. I agree with this guy.

So which is it? A fictional flag or a group of boys with guns and a flag?

Are boys allowed to own guns in Canada? My critical thinking goes on high alert when someone refers to a group of heavily armed men as "boys with guns".

On one hand you tell people to google information and on the other you are denigrating their sources. 

Knowing the Canadian Anti-Hate Network (CAHN) has identified Diagolon as a hate group, specifically as an accelerationist group, is enough for me to know who they are.

Saying something like that shows your true character. I see you.

Your abortion isn’t contagious. One pregnant person can’t catch abortion from another. 

Do you REALLY need this explained to you?

And one specifically involving YOU merge.
A thread I started to try to spread goodwill and pay it forward, in hopes that it would have a nice effect on some people going through a rough time in the service industry. People were appreciating it and adding their own experiences of how rough the service industry is having it lately.

Even Lucy appreciated it.
Lucy: "Thank you. I cannot find a single thing there to disagree with. "
Merge: Hold my beer. 

  

It is hard to keep up with these threads so thought I might post this in both threads as they now seem to be over lapping.

I notice that some of the conversation has turned to vaccine effectiveness amongst all the other tangents.

It is all a learning curve , for me anyway.

It is not unlike a situation where I have found myself in before.

I used to think that science was absolute but I found that the devil is in the detail . ( I learned this whilst home - researching a post viral health condition over many years )

There are shades of grey

I have only taken a quick glance at vaccine effectiveness but if I were to take a more serious look ( which I am not ) then I would take the following factors into consideration -

Epidemiological data from various countries .

Comparison of above data and why variations may occur -

In an earlier post I linked to data including tables that showed 2 shot vaccine effectiveness in the UK was lower than that reported by the US .
The UKHSA ( UK Health Security Agency )showed roughly 40% ish effectiveness compared to 60% ish from the CDC. ( US Centre for Disease Control )
A potential reason for this could be because the UK used both Astra Zeneca and Pfizer ( confirmed ) in comparison to the US which used Moderna and Pfizer ( at least I think so but have not double checked )

Other things to take into consideration might be -

Different vaccine types

Timescales of waning immunity

Number and timing of shots .

Covid variants as vaccine efficacy for Delta was higher than for Omicron.

Immunosuppressed individuals

Rates of infection for different areas .


Through previous personal experience of home research there a few things I picked up along the way including -

Taking into consideration the ranking of a journal. Some are more respected and high profile than others. They are rated regarding their impact factor. Even high ranking journals sometimes have a controversial history on certain subjects.

I also came to realise that any meta analysis is only as good as the original articles which reviewers may take at face value. If the original articles were unreliable or biased in the first place than the conclusion of any meta analysis may reflect this and could be potentially flawed leading to misleading conclusions . Decent meta analysis should highlight any weaknesses and issues concerned. In my experience this can vary.

The devil in the detail is to be found in between the abstract and the conclusion of the article. There have been times when headers don’t always stand up to closer scrutiny.

Going off topic slightly -

The type of misleading research that I am most familiar with has thankfully since been discredited due it’s poor practices .
Unfortunately the same discredited researchers have turned their attention to Long Covid.

I have huge respect for the patients/ families (affected by this particular post viral illness )- dubbed as citizen scientists who have collaborated with decent medical/scientific researchers to co-author papers in order to get them published in peer reviewed journals . Amongst other researchers, they have contributed to altering particular Health guidelines in the UK and elsewhere. The new guidelines have turned the old ones upside down.
This could also influence Long Covid health guidelines in the future due to their similarity.

As a non-scientist I have come across information ( post viral ) that I found difficult to understand and wanted to learn more about clinical findings . As such I contacted a few biomedical researchers to ask if they could help explain things. I have been so lucky because they took the time and trouble to help.

Going back to Covid , things are emerging and constantly changing medically, scientifically and politically. Information is fast moving and often contradictory .

Online abuse is rife.

Hate speech / crimes online have increased.

I am from the UK but I read that New Zealand has a campaign to encourage people to stop and think before they press send.
They try to show people that disagreement can occur and strong views expressed without resorting to personal attacks. Winding back online rage.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/what-would-your-mother-say-new-zealand-urges-citizens-to-wind-back-online-rage


I might just hide under the duvet now !

Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results.

While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses.

Yes, I think he is the Canadian version of Trae (or Trae is the American version of him).

I posted a thread in order to pay it forward and create good will. A thread that people were appreciating. YOU were the one lecturing in order to diminish anything I say. 


I gave undeniable proof - my posts on page 29 of this thread.  You don't have to count anything. 

I use Tapatalk. There are no “pages.”

And as I said in the other thread, “good will” is an insult when you consistently vote for, defend, and support people whose policies hurt the people to whom you’re supposedly giving good will. Your thread was an insult to all of them/us, but instead of reflecting on that, you choose to see yourself as a victim. How very typical.

I always love when someone doesn't have a good response to someone's point and here comes the "white privilege" or "you are a white supremacist" rants.  It has happened SEVERAL times on this thread.  

I do find a white supremacist supporter accusing others of white privilege to be ironic at best and simply pathetic otherwise.

Don't you have a better argument than that? Its really getting repetitive and boring.  And laughable at this point in time.

Nothing I said in that thread was insulting without twisting yourself into being offended. 

So, what you're saying is, you didn't REALLY want to see proof,  you were just using that as another asinine way to dismiss. Just like you twisting yourself into an offended pretzel on my thread in order to diminish anything I say.
Got it. 

www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082229612/canadian-lawmakers-extend-emergency-powers-act-for-truck-protests

TORONTO — Canadian lawmakers voted Monday night to extend the emergency powers that police can invoke to quell any potential restart of blockades by those opposed to COVID-19 restrictions.

Lawmakers in the House of Commons voted 185 to 151 to affirm the powers.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said earlier that the powers were still needed despite police ending the occupation of the nation's capital by truckers over the weekend and police ending border blockades before that.

Trudeau noted there were some truckers just outside Ottawa who might be planning further blockades or occupations. His public safety minister said there was an attempt to block a border crossing in British Columbia over the weekend.

"The situation is still fragile, the state of emergency is still there," Trudeau said.