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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 15, 2022 13:39:35 GMT
I'm confused. Why is that female skater not being punished for her drug test? Russia is not allowed to compete for this exact reason so they make this ROC which is still doing this garbage. In the summer olympics, a female US runner was not allowed to compete because she smoked pot after the death of her mother in Oregon (which is legal, btw). So I'm really scratching my head as to why this girl is allowed to compete. I don't get the whole "she's a minor" crap. Can someone explain that to me?
So will the ROC make all their athlete's minors so they can do all the doping they want but not be subject to the same rules as everyone else?
I'm so confused.
This is why I think the Olympics is nothing but a farce. The IOC is completely corrupt.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Feb 15, 2022 14:14:20 GMT
I've just got a minute before I have to get out the door, so I will try to answer this for you in a nutshell. She is being allowed to compete because the investigation is still ongoing. A committee determined that to exclude her at the point would cause her "irreparable harm'. If she is banned now and then the second sample comes back clean, what does that do to the mental health of a child? Remember when "mental health is the most important thing" was the thing? The situations are not comparable. The runner didn't appeal the ruling, there was no ongoing investigation to wait out. The legality of pot in any location is completely irrelevant as long as it is on the banned list for the competition. Here is an article that explains the ruling www.eurosport.com/figure-skating/beijing-2022/2022/kamila-valieva-case-cas-clears-15-year-old-russian-to-compete-at-olympics-to-avoid-irreparable-harm_sto8788636/story.shtmlI won't be back until tonight, but hopefully that helps you out in the meantime! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2022 14:41:00 GMT
Sooooo.... I am watching Curling and Biathlon...
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Post by Mel on Feb 15, 2022 14:47:49 GMT
Irreparable damage or not(and I'm NOT disputing that it would be damaging or not), I just don't think it's fair to the other participants because now no one will know the outcome of the event until they decide what they are doing with her. The top four points earners will all have to sit on eggshells until they decide if she is allowed to medal.
If she is and she gets gold, the next two will get Silver & Bronze, if not, the Silver will bump up to gold, etc. Either way, none of them will get their moment on the podium because there won't be a medal ceremony for that event because of that. These skaters have worked hard to get to the Olympics, and while it might not be that big of a deal to some, that ceremony means a lot to most. It's just not fair to the others...
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Post by gar on Feb 15, 2022 15:19:49 GMT
Her team are saying her test was contaminated with her grandfather’s heart medication 🤨
And as several other athletes have said today already “This is the day the Olympic spirit died”
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Post by Loydene on Feb 15, 2022 15:28:02 GMT
Commentators - and former professional and medalist figure skaters - Tara Lipinsky (spelling?) and Johnny Weir have a nice interview on YouTube about this subject. The interviewer inquired about the minority status of the skater in question -- Tara said she had been testing since she was 11 years old and has always understood the impact of what goes in her body - similarly Johnny said said he'd been drug testing since he was 13 -- each of them said that their parent would call "hot lines" to make sure that ordinary cold medicine wouldn't be a prohibited item!
Yes - the skater in question is a minor -- but she should totally be aware of what is and is not a banned substance. I simply do not believe the "confused by grandfathers medication" excuse.
The Olympics are a joke that, IMHO, no one should take seriously. They have proved it over and over again.
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Post by sabrinae on Feb 15, 2022 15:31:48 GMT
Her team are saying her test was contaminated with her grandfather’s heart medication 🤨 And as several other athletes have said today already “This is the day the Olympic spirit died” Yet they can’t or won’t say how the test was contaminated by his medication. They tried to claim it was from her drinking from a glass after him. It’s ridiculous and she shouldn’t be allowed to skate. Russian athletes shouldn’t be at the olympics at all given the state sponsored doping that occurred and evidently has continued to occur. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 15, 2022 15:32:49 GMT
I'm confused. Why is that female skater not being punished for her drug test? Russia is not allowed to compete for this exact reason so they make this ROC which is still doing this garbage. In the summer olympics, a female US runner was not allowed to compete because she smoked pot after the death of her mother in Oregon (which is legal, btw). So I'm really scratching my head as to why this girl is allowed to compete. I don't get the whole "she's a minor" crap. Can someone explain that to me? So will the ROC make all their athlete's minors so they can do all the doping they want but not be subject to the same rules as everyone else? I'm so confused. This is why I think the Olympics is nothing but a farce. The IOC is completely corrupt. Bolded is what I think is most puzzling to me. The ROC was formed bc Russia was CONVICTED of doping in 2014, I think. The ROC was created so athletes could compete but not for their country, sort of a 2nd chance. OK, but then to me, if there are signs that there is STILL DOPING, that's it. They should be banned from competing, bc it's obvious they are still doping and cannot be trusted to be clean. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. It's obvious they are not going to stop doping. So they need to be banned for at least one Olympic, IMO. |
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Post by maryland on Feb 15, 2022 15:35:39 GMT
I agree! So frustrating and unfair to the other athletes!
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 15, 2022 15:36:51 GMT
I think she may have a point.
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Post by gar on Feb 15, 2022 15:39:54 GMT
It’s ridiculous and she shouldn’t be allowed to skate. Russian athletes shouldn’t be at the olympics at all given the state sponsored doping that occurred and evidently has continued to occur. 100% agree, it makes a mockery of them being banned. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2022 15:48:29 GMT
Update.. it was her grandfather's medicine...
I can not find it online.. so, maybe I misheard!!
{[Just heard a blurb on CNN.....
A (skater) said she took her grandmother's heart medicine by accident...
I did NOT hear a name or anything else.. I was in the kitchen.. tv in Living room...]}
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 15, 2022 15:53:56 GMT
If you choose to smoke weed or "take your Grandfather's heart medication" then you have chosen to live with the consequences of your actions. The runner chose not to appeal the decision because she knows she broke the rules. ROC/Russia consistently break the rules and then cry when they are caught. They pay off some officials, get a hand slap and then continue doing it.
The girl broke the rules, plain and simple. She needs to be held accountable. She won't die from not competing. She will get over it and be back in the next Olympics. She is young enough. Anyone who believes that she got the positive test from drinking from her grandfather's glass is really stupid. All the other athletes shouldn't be penalized because a select few think that the rules don't apply to them. What about the harm it is causing all the other athletes?
I don't see how this a black or white issue. It is an issue of bribing officials.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2022 15:57:34 GMT
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 15, 2022 16:04:45 GMT
I’m inclined to agree that this is ridiculous.
On the other hand, if a verified test is part of protocol…
On my third hand, it really seems like bending (contorting!) over backwards…and the whole “minor” thing would set a troubling precedent.
Regardless, it really stinks that the athletes (many more than three athletes because the figure skating team medal has also been canceled) will not be able to have a ceremony. They already are cooped up, not allowed to bring spectators, and performing before reduced crowds. And now this?
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Post by maryland on Feb 15, 2022 17:17:26 GMT
If you choose to smoke weed or "take your Grandfather's heart medication" then you have chosen to live with the consequences of your actions. The runner chose not to appeal the decision because she knows she broke the rules. ROC/Russia consistently break the rules and then cry when they are caught. They pay off some officials, get a hand slap and then continue doing it. The girl broke the rules, plain and simple. She needs to be held accountable. She won't die from not competing. She will get over it and be back in the next Olympics. She is young enough. Anyone who believes that she got the positive test from drinking from her grandfather's glass is really stupid. All the other athletes shouldn't be penalized because a select few think that the rules don't apply to them. What about the harm it is causing all the other athletes? I don't see how this a black or white issue. It is an issue of bribing officials. Exactly! |
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Post by gar on Feb 15, 2022 17:31:02 GMT
Update.. it was her grandfather's medicine... I can not find it online.. so, maybe I misheard!! { [Just heard a blurb on CNN.....
A (skater) said she took her grandmother's heart medicine by accident...
I did NOT hear a name or anything else.. I was in the kitchen.. tv in Living room...]}As mentioned upthread 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 17:43:22 GMT
If you choose to smoke weed or "take your Grandfather's heart medication" then you have chosen to live with the consequences of your actions. The runner chose not to appeal the decision because she knows she broke the rules. ROC/Russia consistently break the rules and then cry when they are caught. They pay off some officials, get a hand slap and then continue doing it. The girl broke the rules, plain and simple. She needs to be held accountable. She won't die from not competing. She will get over it and be back in the next Olympics. She is young enough. Anyone who believes that she got the positive test from drinking from her grandfather's glass is really stupid. All the other athletes shouldn't be penalized because a select few think that the rules don't apply to them. What about the harm it is causing all the other athletes? I don't see how this a black or white issue. It is an issue of bribing officials. Am I the only one who thinks that maybe her coaches/doctors etc gave it to her to improve her performance and told her it was something else? I don't trust them and she is a child. I mean I get the issues, but I do feel for her and do not trust the Russian adults in charge of her. |
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Post by papersilly on Feb 15, 2022 17:44:22 GMT
this is another reason why i think the IOC is corrupt. i can't believe they will rob the legitimate winners their moment on the podium because of this.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2022 17:49:03 GMT
this is another reason why i think the IOC is corrupt. i can't believe they will rob the legitimate winners their moment on the podium because of this. They will and they have, by denying the team skate members not being allowed to stand on the podium. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 17:56:12 GMT
Her team are saying her test was contaminated with her grandfather’s heart medication 🤨
And as several other athletes have said today already “This is the day the Olympic spirit died” I heard that earlier. All I can say if that is the best her team can up and she's still allowed to skate then the Olympics is going to lose all credibility IMO. I feel so sorry for the others competing against her and are clean. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 15, 2022 18:00:59 GMT
I think she may have a point. She also admitted to smoking marijuana and owned up to her mistake. As opposed to Valieva and the Russians who have been denying, posting propaganda to their citizens (my thoughts based on comments I have seen in online articles), now are saying she "accidentally" was contaminated with her grandfather's medicine, etc. If the second sample comes back negative no way do I believe that Russia didn't have something to do with that. IMO, Russia should have been disqualified for a legit amount of time. They shouldn't be participating in any way, shape or form at this point. And I am upset for the other athletes who are being pushed aside because of this girl. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 18:10:58 GMT
Because the IOC is utterly corrupt. Thanks for starting this thread - apparently pointing out the fact that Russia is continuing their decades long doping was too real for the figure skating thread. The IOC can decide to just ban minors - I have zero problem with that - or adhere to the same rules. This minor "loophole" is just complete and utter bullshit. She doped - I don't for a second believe it was her decision - it's the EXACT SAME DRUG used in Sochi by the Russians. The Russians are cheaters and as long as the IOC continues their bullshit punishment their cheating will continue.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 18:14:42 GMT
If you choose to smoke weed or "take your Grandfather's heart medication" then you have chosen to live with the consequences of your actions. The runner chose not to appeal the decision because she knows she broke the rules. ROC/Russia consistently break the rules and then cry when they are caught. They pay off some officials, get a hand slap and then continue doing it. The girl broke the rules, plain and simple. She needs to be held accountable. She won't die from not competing. She will get over it and be back in the next Olympics. She is young enough. Anyone who believes that she got the positive test from drinking from her grandfather's glass is really stupid. All the other athletes shouldn't be penalized because a select few think that the rules don't apply to them. What about the harm it is causing all the other athletes? I don't see how this a black or white issue. It is an issue of bribing officials. Am I the only one who thinks that maybe her coaches/doctors etc gave it to her to improve her performance and told her it was something else? I don't trust them and she is a child. I mean I get the issues, but I do feel for her and do not trust the Russian adults in charge of her. Of course her coaches gave it to her - it improves heart function allowing training beyond what one could endure typically. It's THE SAME DRUG found in multiple Russian athletes in Sochi - and no her clean tests are meaningless now - it's a drug used to increase TRAINING. She doesn't need it to get through her 4 minute routine. If this is allowed to stand it just encourages Russia to dope minors instead of adults. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2022 18:15:55 GMT
This is worse than the burrito defense- which incidentally was DENIED!
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:21:08 GMT
The IOC is completely corrupt. You answered your own question. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 15, 2022 18:27:52 GMT
I think countries should boycott not just other countries for their actions, but the IOC itself.
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 15, 2022 18:36:08 GMT
The "ROC" was formed so athletes could still compete but not for their country.... This is the part (well, one of the parts) that I don't understand. The "R" stands for "Russian" so how are they not competing for their country? lol. Even if they can't play the national anthem or march in under their flag they're still competing for Russia. There will still be celebrations and rewards for those who do well.
The whole thing is ridiculous, and I don't understand why Russia gets all these second chances.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 15, 2022 18:39:30 GMT
this is another reason why i think the IOC is corrupt. i can't believe they will rob the legitimate winners their moment on the podium because of this. They will and they have, by denying the team skate members not being allowed to stand on the podium. exactly! that is a moment in time that you can never get back. that is part of the Olympic experience. the legitimate winners deserve that moment. but the misdeeds of one athlete gets to take that away from the rest? disgusting. |
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Post by twinks on Feb 15, 2022 18:59:42 GMT
I am angered by this situation. My thoughts are the Russians should not be participating at all because of doping. The Russians are wanting a “clean sweep” in the Ladies Figure Skating. They want it so bad they will lie and cheat just to make it happen. I am not buying this “minor” crap. She qualifies to compete in the Ladies Figure Skating competition then she qualifies to follow the rules. And the “mistakingly took her grandfather’s heart medicine” is total bull crap. The Russians must think everyone is a stupid as the former. I am hoping someone on their team has a major fall or something happens that they can’t compete.
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