MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 16, 2022 12:55:08 GMT
While smoking pot may be legal where the track athlete lives, it is a banned substance for IOC.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 16, 2022 13:26:32 GMT
While smoking pot may be legal where the track athlete lives, it is a banned substance for IOC. I think the point is that she used a banned substance, owned up to it, and wasn’t able to compete. The Russian skater used a banned substance, is lying about her use and trying to get out of the consequence, yet is allowed to compete. That isn’t fair. I think most people agree that Sha’Carri shouldn’t have competed, but think the same rules should apply to Russian athletes. Particularly with their history of doping—with that same drug.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 16, 2022 15:50:38 GMT
What is the history of the CAS and why do they have the final say instead of the IOC? The CAS were created back in the 1980s due to the increased globalisation of sports and issues arising from this. They essentially are a form of supreme court of sports. The IOC, WADA and the International Skating Union asked the CAS to suspend her which they do not have the authority to do, period. However, Valieva's case is more complex because she's a minor to begin with, has a clean sheet for doping so far, tested positive in a competition prior to the Games while testing negative during the Games and on top of all this tested positive during a national competition. RUSADA originally suspended her and then cancelled the suspension (Valieva appealed the ban decision). This OG case is pending and ongoing. Hence why the CAS decided to proceed with the cautious let-her-compete-in-the-immediacy-of-things-we-shall-see-and-decide-as-the-case-unfolds-whether-to-revoke-or-not approach. The IOC is political and, I'd argue, pretty weak. I am far from being a fangirl or defender, quite on the contrary. But in this case, they kind of have nothing to do with it. I think they'd happily cut Valieva to preserve the image of the Olympics brand after the Putin-Xi Jinping lovefest and other issues these Beijing Games have exposed. The CAS are taking a pretty standard decision here and it just happens to be one that's not popular. If they do suspend her but her RUSADA case ends up going in her favour, they'll have denied an athlete the chance to compete. Without time machine technology, there's simply no way to ever repair such damage, especially when age + body fitness comes into play so heavily. It makes sense but it still stings and seems unfair from the outside. Her pending doping case is with RUSADA, not the IOC, CAS or International Skating Union. It sucks but here we are.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 16, 2022 16:06:51 GMT
What is the history of the CAS and why do they have the final say instead of the IOC? The CAS were created back in the 1980s due to the increased globalisation of sports and issues arising from this. They essentially are a form of supreme court of sports. The IOC, WADA and the International Skating Union asked the CAS to suspend her which they do not have the authority to do, period. However, Valieva's case is more complex because she's a minor to begin with, has a clean sheet for doping so far, tested positive in a competition prior to the Games while testing negative during the Games and on top of all this tested positive during a national competition. RUSADA originally suspended her and then cancelled the suspension (Valieva appealed the ban decision). This OG case is pending and ongoing. Hence why the CAS decided to proceed with the cautious let-her-compete-in-the-immediacy-of-things-we-shall-see-and-decide-as-the-case-unfolds-whether-to-revoke-or-not approach. The IOC is political and, I'd argue, pretty weak. I am far from being a fangirl or defender, quite on the contrary. But in this case, they kind of have nothing to do with it. I think they'd happily cut Valieva to preserve the image of the Olympics brand after the Putin-Xi Jinping lovefest and other issues these Beijing Games have exposed. The CAS are taking a pretty standard decision here and it just happens to be one that's not popular. If they do suspend her but her RUSADA case ends up going in her favour, they'll have denied an athlete the chance to compete. Without time machine technology, there's simply no way to ever repair such damage, especially when age + body fitness comes into play so heavily. It makes sense but it still stings and seems unfair from the outside. Her pending doping case is with RUSADA, not the IOC, CAS or International Skating Union. It sucks but here we are. I agree with you that the CAS has over and over again supported dirty athletes - when/if people actually care - yeah at this point it's been beyond proven people don't care about clean sport in the Olympics - and really there's no actual venue for any of these people in real life so apparently doping a 15 year old is going to be celebrated - I'm so disgusted with the entire system right now.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 16, 2022 16:15:55 GMT
The CAS were created back in the 1980s due to the increased globalisation of sports and issues arising from this. They essentially are a form of supreme court of sports. The IOC, WADA and the International Skating Union asked the CAS to suspend her which they do not have the authority to do, period. However, Valieva's case is more complex because she's a minor to begin with, has a clean sheet for doping so far, tested positive in a competition prior to the Games while testing negative during the Games and on top of all this tested positive during a national competition. RUSADA originally suspended her and then cancelled the suspension (Valieva appealed the ban decision). This OG case is pending and ongoing. Hence why the CAS decided to proceed with the cautious let-her-compete-in-the-immediacy-of-things-we-shall-see-and-decide-as-the-case-unfolds-whether-to-revoke-or-not approach. The IOC is political and, I'd argue, pretty weak. I am far from being a fangirl or defender, quite on the contrary. But in this case, they kind of have nothing to do with it. I think they'd happily cut Valieva to preserve the image of the Olympics brand after the Putin-Xi Jinping lovefest and other issues these Beijing Games have exposed. The CAS are taking a pretty standard decision here and it just happens to be one that's not popular. If they do suspend her but her RUSADA case ends up going in her favour, they'll have denied an athlete the chance to compete. Without time machine technology, there's simply no way to ever repair such damage, especially when age + body fitness comes into play so heavily. It makes sense but it still stings and seems unfair from the outside. Her pending doping case is with RUSADA, not the IOC, CAS or International Skating Union. It sucks but here we are. I agree with you that the CAS has over and over again supported dirty athletes - when/if people actually care - yeah at this point it's been beyond proven people don't care about clean sport in the Olympics - and really there's no actual venue for any of these people in real life so apparently doping a 15 year old is going to be celebrated - I'm so disgusted with the entire system right now. I sure hope there won't be any celebrating of doping teenagers (or adults, as a matter of fact). From my POV, there are far more people concerned about Valieva's health and outraged at her being allowed to compete than the other way around. But like many other accused people have learned: appeal, stretch time as far as you can and try to make some weak excuse work. I wouldn't be surprised if RUSADA ended up siding with Valieva after all. It's a systemic problem in Russian sports that has not been resolved by the official ban at all. Ultimately, Valieva's career will end very prematurely be it through ban or the immediate consequences of Eteri Tutberidze's appalling training "regimen". And another one will rise only to very quickly fall. Rinse, repeat. CAS, however, also ends careers and bans. I've seen athletes be allowed to compete at first because of a similar pending doping case with an anti-doping agency. When the case eventually found them guilty, CAS applied the ban and any results in the meantime were revoked. Valieva's in the grey zone for now. It's really RUSADA we should be questioning at this stage. They might just throw Valieva to the wolves to preserve the image that Russia's been punished and has served its time, cleaned up everything and is totally fine to be Russia, not ROC, for the next Games. We'll see.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 16, 2022 16:26:46 GMT
That's what's pissing me off so much - we know that Valieva will be gone- the Russian system is built on essentially abusing teenagers none last beyond a year or two of competition - now it's beyond starving and injury - they're actually doping them and it's PROVEN and yet again we're supposed to pretend it doesn't matter. Without viewers none of this happens - it's only important because people watch - that's what's so wrong about this and why I will continue to inelegantly point out peoples hypocrisy for just talking about the skating.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 16, 2022 16:37:45 GMT
I agree with you that the CAS has over and over again supported dirty athletes - when/if people actually care - yeah at this point it's been beyond proven people don't care about clean sport in the Olympics - and really there's no actual venue for any of these people in real life so apparently doping a 15 year old is going to be celebrated - I'm so disgusted with the entire system right now. I sure hope there won't be any celebrating of doping teenagers (or adults, as a matter of fact). From my POV, there are far more people concerned about Valieva's health and outraged at her being allowed to compete than the other way around. But like many other accused people have learned: appeal, stretch time as far as you can and try to make some weak excuse work. I wouldn't be surprised if RUSADA ended up siding with Valieva after all. It's a systemic problem in Russian sports that has not been resolved by the official ban at all. Ultimately, Valieva's career will end very prematurely be it through ban or the immediate consequences of Eteri Tutberidze's appalling training "regimen". And another one will rise only to very quickly fall. Rinse, repeat. CAS, however, also ends careers and bans. I've seen athletes be allowed to compete at first because of a similar pending doping case with an anti-doping agency. When the case eventually found them guilty, CAS applied the ban and any results in the meantime were revoked. Valieva's in the grey zone for now. It's really RUSADA we should be questioning at this stage. They might just throw Valieva to the wolves to preserve the image that Russia's been punished and has served its time, cleaned up everything and is totally fine to be Russia, not ROC, for the next Games. We'll see. What also frustrates me is that this is all about Valieva and the effects it will have on her if she is denied the ability to skate. But what about the other athletes? They have worked very hard to get where they are as well, and now will be denied the full Olympic experience because of her/Russia.Why is she more important?
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tracylynn
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Jun 26, 2014 22:49:09 GMT
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 16, 2022 16:47:47 GMT
I haven't weighed in on these threads until now because the topic makes me so mad.
I hate that they are prioritizing her mental health over all the other girls competing.
I hate that Russia does this ALL.THE.TIME and get away with it.
I wish that Russia would be banned in all Sports from competing in the Olympics for a specific amount of years - period. No ROC, no athletes.
But what I really wish, and I know it was a pipe dream, but what I hoped for ... was that all the other Countries would have refused to put their girls/women on the ice in protest. Like I said, I know it was a pipe dream, and there's no way 20 whatever other Countries would have, or maybe even could have, come to that agreement ... but wow, if they would have. What a story that would have been.
Edit: I also meant to add ... I don't care how old she is. She's not a child. She's competing in an adult arena. She should know and understand everything that goes into her body. Full stop. She is ultimately responsible for that. I don't care if she's 12 or 20. She knows the rules. She's been drug tested for years at this point.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 16, 2022 16:51:39 GMT
That's what's pissing me off so much - we know that Valieva will be gone- the Russian system is built on essentially abusing teenagers none last beyond a year or two of competition - now it's beyond starving and injury - they're actually doping them and it's PROVEN and yet again we're supposed to pretend it doesn't matter. Without viewers none of this happens - it's only important because people watch - that's what's so wrong about this and why I will continue to inelegantly point out peoples hypocrisy for just talking about the skating. I understand why you're so upset and vocal about the situation. It is an alarming doping affair albeit very much not a surprise. I also understand why fans of the sport will watch and enjoy the other athletes. It's not necessarily hypocritical to continue supporting skaters who have nothing to do with Valieva or Eteri Tutberidze except they happen to compete in the same event. The best fans can do is speak out about the Russian system in general and Tutberidze's training especially. But to reduce the sport to just the Russian clan is giving Russia way more attention and weight than it deserves. Ultimately, the International Skating Union can't do much here and I don't think it's a fair moral standard to hold the other competitors hostage of the Russian system. If you ever go to Figure Skating boards, you'll see a lot of people are not only aware but very outspoken about Eteri and not in a good way. The sport doesn't stop because one country decides they are immune to international outrage and sanctions. From the perspective of a different Winter Games sport, I'm pissed that the Russian delegation was the only one allowed into China to check out the biathlon track and prepare for it ahead of the Games. All the fans except the ones supporting ROC are. It's a significant advantage. The other nations competing are unhappy as well. But you go and you beat them wherever you can (and yes, despite the unfair preparations in biathlon + doping in skating, they can be beat). The world and these Games do not revolve around them no matter how hard they're trying to make it look that way. Putin's Ukraine offensive wasn't randomly planned to happen right now either. I'm not giving him or his corrupt system that satisfaction.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 16, 2022 17:01:39 GMT
That's what's pissing me off so much - we know that Valieva will be gone- the Russian system is built on essentially abusing teenagers none last beyond a year or two of competition - now it's beyond starving and injury - they're actually doping them and it's PROVEN and yet again we're supposed to pretend it doesn't matter. Without viewers none of this happens - it's only important because people watch - that's what's so wrong about this and why I will continue to inelegantly point out peoples hypocrisy for just talking about the skating. I understand why you're so upset and vocal about the situation. It is an alarming doping affair albeit very much not a surprise. I also understand why fans of the sport will watch and enjoy the other athletes. It's not necessarily hypocritical to continue supporting skaters who have nothing to do with Valieva or Eteri Tutberidze except they happen to compete in the same event. The best fans can do is speak out about the Russian system in general and Tutberidze's training especially. But to reduce the sport to just the Russian clan is giving Russia way more attention and weight than it deserves. Ultimately, the International Skating Union can't do much here and I don't think it's a fair moral standard to hold the other competitors hostage of the Russian system. If you ever go to Figure Skating boards, you'll see a lot of people are not only aware but very outspoken about Eteri and not in a good way. The sport doesn't stop because one country decides they are immune to international outrage and sanctions. From the perspective of a different Winter Games sport, I'm pissed that the Russian delegation was the only one allowed into China to check out the biathlon track and prepare for it ahead of the Games. All the fans except the ones supporting ROC are. It's a significant advantage. The other nations competing are unhappy as well. But you go and you beat them wherever you can (and yes, despite the unfair preparations in biathlon + doping in skating, they can be beat). The world and these Games do not revolve around them no matter how hard they're trying to make it look that way. Putin's Ukraine offensive wasn't randomly planned to happen right now either. I'm not giving him or his corrupt system that satisfaction. Sure but in this case it's likely they will sweep the medals - it's not just one athlete doping - I'm a swimming fan and am very, very familiar with athletes breaking the rules. At least in that case you have one event compromised. I may be completely wrong, but I do feel strongly that continuing to watch and giving them the viewership they desire as the "premier" Winter Games event is supporting an utterly corrupt system that is making a mockery of fair sport. The other competitors are being held hostage because people don't care enough to actually hold Russia accountable - ultimately the IOC ONLY cares about money - if the IOC thought people wouldn't watch they'd deal with it, but they know as has been shown yet again this week - people actually don't care and if anything the scandal probably increased viewership.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 16, 2022 17:16:45 GMT
I understand why you're so upset and vocal about the situation. It is an alarming doping affair albeit very much not a surprise. I also understand why fans of the sport will watch and enjoy the other athletes. It's not necessarily hypocritical to continue supporting skaters who have nothing to do with Valieva or Eteri Tutberidze except they happen to compete in the same event. The best fans can do is speak out about the Russian system in general and Tutberidze's training especially. But to reduce the sport to just the Russian clan is giving Russia way more attention and weight than it deserves. Ultimately, the International Skating Union can't do much here and I don't think it's a fair moral standard to hold the other competitors hostage of the Russian system. If you ever go to Figure Skating boards, you'll see a lot of people are not only aware but very outspoken about Eteri and not in a good way. The sport doesn't stop because one country decides they are immune to international outrage and sanctions. From the perspective of a different Winter Games sport, I'm pissed that the Russian delegation was the only one allowed into China to check out the biathlon track and prepare for it ahead of the Games. All the fans except the ones supporting ROC are. It's a significant advantage. The other nations competing are unhappy as well. But you go and you beat them wherever you can (and yes, despite the unfair preparations in biathlon + doping in skating, they can be beat). The world and these Games do not revolve around them no matter how hard they're trying to make it look that way. Putin's Ukraine offensive wasn't randomly planned to happen right now either. I'm not giving him or his corrupt system that satisfaction. Sure but in this case it's likely they will sweep the medals - it's not just one athlete doping - I'm a swimming fan and am very, very familiar with athletes breaking the rules. At least in that case you have one event compromised. I may be completely wrong, but I do feel strongly that continuing to watch and giving them the viewership they desire as the "premier" Winter Games event is supporting an utterly corrupt system that is making a mockery of fair sport. The other competitors are being held hostage because people don't care enough to actually hold Russia accountable - ultimately the IOC ONLY cares about money - if the IOC thought people wouldn't watch they'd deal with it, but they know as has been shown yet again this week - people actually don't care and if anything the scandal probably increased viewership. I personally was conflicted about whether or not to watch. But in the end I decided that I wanted to support the other athletes. I also thought about turning it off when the Russians skated, but didn't know if anyone would "know" anyway--when looking at viewers, can they get that detailed of information? I don't know how ratings work. I ended up keeping it on because I wanted to hear what the commentators said. I didn't watch much, though. I wish someone would have had more upbeat music. Everyone that I saw was kind of slow and not really that interesting to me.
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Post by birukitty on Feb 16, 2022 17:26:34 GMT
I can't do links but in an article today at nytimes.com it is being reported that the testing sample contained two other heart medications as well. Neither are banned but the combination of the three would have increased her endurance, reduced her fatigue and helped with efficiency in using oxygen.
Given these results I think she should have been banned from competing as soon as the first (banned) substance was found. It isn't fair to the other athletes to have another ice skater competing with them who clearly has 1. broken the rules and 2. because of this has a distinct advantage. Letting her continue to compete is wrong and should never have happened. I hope by the time Thursday night rolls around she will be banned from competing, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 17, 2022 11:32:25 GMT
This is in today’s Washington Post. I thought that it might interest those of you who follow skating. This law professor argues that the decision to allow her to skate was the correct one. I don’t have a horse in this race, since I am not really following the Olympics much. But this debate is interesting.
Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a professor at Duke Law School, is co-director of the Center for Sports Law & Policy and a senior fellow at the Kenan Institute for Ethics.
Russian Kamila Valieva is the best figure skater on the planet, she is gorgeous to watch perform and she should be skating in Beijing.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to allow Valieva to compete this week has been widely criticized as the arbitrary product of corrupt institutions driven by commercial and political interests. Actually, the decision was a textbook application of well-established law. It was also ethically sound.
No one’s goal should be premature, career-ending penalties for children. It’s also wrong to turn Valieva into a punching bag for legitimate concerns about Russian state-sponsored doping and the Olympic movement’s flawed anti-doping effort.
The only issue before the arbitration panel in Beijing was whether to restore a provisional suspension imposed — and then reversed — by Valieva’s domestic federation after a December drug test returned a preliminary positive for a banned heart medication. The panel was not charged with deciding whether Valieva had committed a doping violation. That decision has not yet been made.
Under the law, children and younger adolescents are considered “protected persons,” and claims against them may be adjudicated more leniently than those against older adolescents and adults. Many have focused on 15-year-old Valieva’s protected status, suggesting it’s the reason she has escaped punishment for alleged doping. But her status, and the proportional treatment she receives, are only part of the heavy weight on her side of the legal scales.
Valieva’s case so far is characterized by the absence of evidence — both for her opponents to prosecute her and for her to defend herself. The burden was on Olympic organizations to show they were likely to succeed on the merits of a doping charge. Combine that with the irreparable harm Valieva would undoubtedly suffer were the suspension reimposed, as a legal matter the decision allowing her to compete was not surprising. Indeed, a different outcome would have been political.
The law applied to Valieva’s case is the same as used in the United States. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered USA Track & Field to allow world-record holder Butch Reynolds to run in Olympic trials even though he was serving a suspension for a two-year-old positive steroid test. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: “A decent respect for the incomparable importance of winning a gold medal in the Olympic Games convinces me that a pecuniary award is not an adequate substitute for the intangible values for which the world’s greatest athletes compete.” The law hasn’t changed since I was one of the lawyers on the losing side of that argument.
This week, U.S. sprinter Sha’Carri Richardson tweeted that the only difference between her not being allowed to compete in the Olympics last summer after a positive drug test and Valieva’s clearance to compete now is that “I’m a black young lady.” Actually, other facts explain why: Richardson, an adult, acknowledged knowingly and voluntarily using a banned substance, marijuana. Afterward, she sought and obtained leniency given the particular drug and her personal circumstances.
Beyond law, the ethical calculus is also in Valieva’s favor. Valieva is a world-class competitor but also a child who should be safeguarded by the adults and organizations charged with her care. Does anyone believe that she personally schemed to find a cocktail of heart drugs? There is a lot of speculation about the metabolic effects of trimetazidine but no peer-reviewed evidence that it enhances performance. Benjamin D. Levine, one of the world’s leading experts in cardiology and exercise science, opined that there was “zero” chance that trimetazidine would improve her performance. Even peers who think she should not skate allow that she would be a star regardless, suggesting that fairness to competitors is not the issue so much as the integrity of the anti-doping movement.
Which brings us to the bear in the room: Russia’s doping history. Punishing Russia for its trespasses arguably requires punishing its athletes — that’s how sanctions work. The International Olympic Committee’s response to Russian doping has been to allow individual athletes to compete, but not allow the Russians to fly their flag, a sometimes laughable approach. The effort, however, also reflects the human values the Olympics represent and the general sense among athletes that sanctions shouldn’t be on the table in sports. A corrupt nation-state should not be able, year in and year out, to deprive its best young athletes of the opportunity to compete against their peers.
I get the instinct that because Valieva tested positive she should not skate. I was in the race in 1983 when Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia set the still-standing 800-meter world record. That record is widely understood to have been the product of doping.
I later helped set up the world’s first random out-of-competition drug-testing program for USA Track & Field, and I drafted the White House’s negotiating document that helped establish the World Anti-Doping Agency. I’ve learned that anti-doping efforts are strong only if they have integrity. Decisions can’t be only politically expedient; they have to be based in law and evidence. Taking down a brilliant kid whose adults may have abused rather than safeguarded her isn’t the way to fix what’s broken about the anti-doping movement.“
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 17, 2022 12:29:58 GMT
This is in today’s Washington Post. I thought that it might interest those of you who follow skating. This law professor argues that the decision to allow her to skate was the correct one. I don’t have a horse in this race, since I am not really following the Olympics much. But this debate is interesting. Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a professor at Duke Law School, is co-director of the Center for Sports Law & Policy and a senior fellow at the Kenan Institute for Ethics.
Russian Kamila Valieva is the best figure skater on the planet, she is gorgeous to watch perform and she should be skating in Beijing.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to allow Valieva to compete this week has been widely criticized as the arbitrary product of corrupt institutions driven by commercial and political interests. Actually, the decision was a textbook application of well-established law. It was also ethically sound.
No one’s goal should be premature, career-ending penalties for children. It’s also wrong to turn Valieva into a punching bag for legitimate concerns about Russian state-sponsored doping and the Olympic movement’s flawed anti-doping effort.
The only issue before the arbitration panel in Beijing was whether to restore a provisional suspension imposed — and then reversed — by Valieva’s domestic federation after a December drug test returned a preliminary positive for a banned heart medication. The panel was not charged with deciding whether Valieva had committed a doping violation. That decision has not yet been made.
Under the law, children and younger adolescents are considered “protected persons,” and claims against them may be adjudicated more leniently than those against older adolescents and adults. Many have focused on 15-year-old Valieva’s protected status, suggesting it’s the reason she has escaped punishment for alleged doping. But her status, and the proportional treatment she receives, are only part of the heavy weight on her side of the legal scales.
Valieva’s case so far is characterized by the absence of evidence — both for her opponents to prosecute her and for her to defend herself. The burden was on Olympic organizations to show they were likely to succeed on the merits of a doping charge. Combine that with the irreparable harm Valieva would undoubtedly suffer were the suspension reimposed, as a legal matter the decision allowing her to compete was not surprising. Indeed, a different outcome would have been political.
The law applied to Valieva’s case is the same as used in the United States. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered USA Track & Field to allow world-record holder Butch Reynolds to run in Olympic trials even though he was serving a suspension for a two-year-old positive steroid test. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: “A decent respect for the incomparable importance of winning a gold medal in the Olympic Games convinces me that a pecuniary award is not an adequate substitute for the intangible values for which the world’s greatest athletes compete.” The law hasn’t changed since I was one of the lawyers on the losing side of that argument.
This week, U.S. sprinter Sha’Carri Richardson tweeted that the only difference between her not being allowed to compete in the Olympics last summer after a positive drug test and Valieva’s clearance to compete now is that “I’m a black young lady.” Actually, other facts explain why: Richardson, an adult, acknowledged knowingly and voluntarily using a banned substance, marijuana. Afterward, she sought and obtained leniency given the particular drug and her personal circumstances.
Beyond law, the ethical calculus is also in Valieva’s favor. Valieva is a world-class competitor but also a child who should be safeguarded by the adults and organizations charged with her care. Does anyone believe that she personally schemed to find a cocktail of heart drugs? There is a lot of speculation about the metabolic effects of trimetazidine but no peer-reviewed evidence that it enhances performance. Benjamin D. Levine, one of the world’s leading experts in cardiology and exercise science, opined that there was “zero” chance that trimetazidine would improve her performance. Even peers who think she should not skate allow that she would be a star regardless, suggesting that fairness to competitors is not the issue so much as the integrity of the anti-doping movement.
Which brings us to the bear in the room: Russia’s doping history. Punishing Russia for its trespasses arguably requires punishing its athletes — that’s how sanctions work. The International Olympic Committee’s response to Russian doping has been to allow individual athletes to compete, but not allow the Russians to fly their flag, a sometimes laughable approach. The effort, however, also reflects the human values the Olympics represent and the general sense among athletes that sanctions shouldn’t be on the table in sports. A corrupt nation-state should not be able, year in and year out, to deprive its best young athletes of the opportunity to compete against their peers.
I get the instinct that because Valieva tested positive she should not skate. I was in the race in 1983 when Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia set the still-standing 800-meter world record. That record is widely understood to have been the product of doping.
I later helped set up the world’s first random out-of-competition drug-testing program for USA Track & Field, and I drafted the White House’s negotiating document that helped establish the World Anti-Doping Agency. I’ve learned that anti-doping efforts are strong only if they have integrity. Decisions can’t be only politically expedient; they have to be based in law and evidence. Taking down a brilliant kid whose adults may have abused rather than safeguarded her isn’t the way to fix what’s broken about the anti-doping movement.“ Again, this writer is only seeing things from Valieva’s point of view, and also seeing her as a victim rather than the problem of doping as a whole. In avoiding giving her a punishment, they are giving out collective punishment to the rest of the skaters.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 17, 2022 12:35:12 GMT
This is in today’s Washington Post. I thought that it might interest those of you who follow skating. This law professor argues that the decision to allow her to skate was the correct one. I don’t have a horse in this race, since I am not really following the Olympics much. But this debate is interesting. Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a professor at Duke Law School, is co-director of the Center for Sports Law & Policy and a senior fellow at the Kenan Institute for Ethics.
Russian Kamila Valieva is the best figure skater on the planet, she is gorgeous to watch perform and she should be skating in Beijing.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to allow Valieva to compete this week has been widely criticized as the arbitrary product of corrupt institutions driven by commercial and political interests. Actually, the decision was a textbook application of well-established law. It was also ethically sound.
No one’s goal should be premature, career-ending penalties for children. It’s also wrong to turn Valieva into a punching bag for legitimate concerns about Russian state-sponsored doping and the Olympic movement’s flawed anti-doping effort.
The only issue before the arbitration panel in Beijing was whether to restore a provisional suspension imposed — and then reversed — by Valieva’s domestic federation after a December drug test returned a preliminary positive for a banned heart medication. The panel was not charged with deciding whether Valieva had committed a doping violation. That decision has not yet been made.
Under the law, children and younger adolescents are considered “protected persons,” and claims against them may be adjudicated more leniently than those against older adolescents and adults. Many have focused on 15-year-old Valieva’s protected status, suggesting it’s the reason she has escaped punishment for alleged doping. But her status, and the proportional treatment she receives, are only part of the heavy weight on her side of the legal scales.
Valieva’s case so far is characterized by the absence of evidence — both for her opponents to prosecute her and for her to defend herself. The burden was on Olympic organizations to show they were likely to succeed on the merits of a doping charge. Combine that with the irreparable harm Valieva would undoubtedly suffer were the suspension reimposed, as a legal matter the decision allowing her to compete was not surprising. Indeed, a different outcome would have been political.
The law applied to Valieva’s case is the same as used in the United States. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered USA Track & Field to allow world-record holder Butch Reynolds to run in Olympic trials even though he was serving a suspension for a two-year-old positive steroid test. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: “A decent respect for the incomparable importance of winning a gold medal in the Olympic Games convinces me that a pecuniary award is not an adequate substitute for the intangible values for which the world’s greatest athletes compete.” The law hasn’t changed since I was one of the lawyers on the losing side of that argument.
This week, U.S. sprinter Sha’Carri Richardson tweeted that the only difference between her not being allowed to compete in the Olympics last summer after a positive drug test and Valieva’s clearance to compete now is that “I’m a black young lady.” Actually, other facts explain why: Richardson, an adult, acknowledged knowingly and voluntarily using a banned substance, marijuana. Afterward, she sought and obtained leniency given the particular drug and her personal circumstances.
Beyond law, the ethical calculus is also in Valieva’s favor. Valieva is a world-class competitor but also a child who should be safeguarded by the adults and organizations charged with her care. Does anyone believe that she personally schemed to find a cocktail of heart drugs? There is a lot of speculation about the metabolic effects of trimetazidine but no peer-reviewed evidence that it enhances performance. Benjamin D. Levine, one of the world’s leading experts in cardiology and exercise science, opined that there was “zero” chance that trimetazidine would improve her performance. Even peers who think she should not skate allow that she would be a star regardless, suggesting that fairness to competitors is not the issue so much as the integrity of the anti-doping movement.
Which brings us to the bear in the room: Russia’s doping history. Punishing Russia for its trespasses arguably requires punishing its athletes — that’s how sanctions work. The International Olympic Committee’s response to Russian doping has been to allow individual athletes to compete, but not allow the Russians to fly their flag, a sometimes laughable approach. The effort, however, also reflects the human values the Olympics represent and the general sense among athletes that sanctions shouldn’t be on the table in sports. A corrupt nation-state should not be able, year in and year out, to deprive its best young athletes of the opportunity to compete against their peers.
I get the instinct that because Valieva tested positive she should not skate. I was in the race in 1983 when Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia set the still-standing 800-meter world record. That record is widely understood to have been the product of doping.
I later helped set up the world’s first random out-of-competition drug-testing program for USA Track & Field, and I drafted the White House’s negotiating document that helped establish the World Anti-Doping Agency. I’ve learned that anti-doping efforts are strong only if they have integrity. Decisions can’t be only politically expedient; they have to be based in law and evidence. Taking down a brilliant kid whose adults may have abused rather than safeguarded her isn’t the way to fix what’s broken about the anti-doping movement.“ Again, this writer is only seeing things from Valieva’s point of view, and also seeing her as a victim rather than the problem of doping as a whole. In avoiding giving her a punishment, they are giving out collective punishment to the rest of the skaters. Like I said, I don’t really have a horse in this race, but thought that it was an interesting perspective.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 17, 2022 12:36:22 GMT
Her team are saying her test was contaminated with her grandfather’s heart medication Yeah, they said that. And when that didn't gain traction, it came out that she takes two other heart medications. Just keep flinging poo at the wall until something sticks, I guess. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Russia is known to be cheaters, they shouldn't have anyone competing until they clean it up. Yeah, it sucks to be a clean athlete who happens to be born in Russia - but it's obvious that as a nation they feel it is important enough to win that they are willing to cheat, so their athletes shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt. Sure, it might make her feel bad about being DQed, she's only a minor, etc. But seriously - she's a 15-year old figure skater at the top of the competitive heap. She's dealt with worse while training to get there, I'm sure. If we're going to be so concerned about her health, perhaps a 15-year old who needs 3 different heart medications shouldn't be competing in such a physically and mentally demanding sport.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 17, 2022 13:25:43 GMT
“Protected minor” is what the IOC seems to be sticking with.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 17, 2022 13:35:36 GMT
I think it is interesting that L-carnitine is being called a “heart medication.” It’s in a lot of supplements and I thought it was for fat loss, metabolism and possibly energy. I could see that as the reason she used it, not for a “heart issue”.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 17, 2022 14:09:04 GMT
I read an article last night (wish I could remember what site it was on) and they talked about the amount of the banned substance that was in her system, and it was 200 times the amount that someone else in the past had who successfully claimed contamination. They said that the amount was similar to what you would expect if you were “tailing down” after having taken a full dose several days earlier. I’m curious if they just didn’t stop their “supplements” soon enough for her to get it out of their system? And it makes me wonder about the other Russian athletes as well. The article also said that the other two substances make her claim of accidental exposure much less believable.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 17, 2022 16:16:08 GMT
This is in today’s Washington Post. I thought that it might interest those of you who follow skating. This law professor argues that the decision to allow her to skate was the correct one. I don’t have a horse in this race, since I am not really following the Olympics much. But this debate is interesting. Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a professor at Duke Law School, is co-director of the Center for Sports Law & Policy and a senior fellow at the Kenan Institute for Ethics.
Russian Kamila Valieva is the best figure skater on the planet, she is gorgeous to watch perform and she should be skating in Beijing.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to allow Valieva to compete this week has been widely criticized as the arbitrary product of corrupt institutions driven by commercial and political interests. Actually, the decision was a textbook application of well-established law. It was also ethically sound.
No one’s goal should be premature, career-ending penalties for children. It’s also wrong to turn Valieva into a punching bag for legitimate concerns about Russian state-sponsored doping and the Olympic movement’s flawed anti-doping effort.
The only issue before the arbitration panel in Beijing was whether to restore a provisional suspension imposed — and then reversed — by Valieva’s domestic federation after a December drug test returned a preliminary positive for a banned heart medication. The panel was not charged with deciding whether Valieva had committed a doping violation. That decision has not yet been made.
Under the law, children and younger adolescents are considered “protected persons,” and claims against them may be adjudicated more leniently than those against older adolescents and adults. Many have focused on 15-year-old Valieva’s protected status, suggesting it’s the reason she has escaped punishment for alleged doping. But her status, and the proportional treatment she receives, are only part of the heavy weight on her side of the legal scales.
Valieva’s case so far is characterized by the absence of evidence — both for her opponents to prosecute her and for her to defend herself. The burden was on Olympic organizations to show they were likely to succeed on the merits of a doping charge. Combine that with the irreparable harm Valieva would undoubtedly suffer were the suspension reimposed, as a legal matter the decision allowing her to compete was not surprising. Indeed, a different outcome would have been political.
The law applied to Valieva’s case is the same as used in the United States. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered USA Track & Field to allow world-record holder Butch Reynolds to run in Olympic trials even though he was serving a suspension for a two-year-old positive steroid test. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: “A decent respect for the incomparable importance of winning a gold medal in the Olympic Games convinces me that a pecuniary award is not an adequate substitute for the intangible values for which the world’s greatest athletes compete.” The law hasn’t changed since I was one of the lawyers on the losing side of that argument.
This week, U.S. sprinter Sha’Carri Richardson tweeted that the only difference between her not being allowed to compete in the Olympics last summer after a positive drug test and Valieva’s clearance to compete now is that “I’m a black young lady.” Actually, other facts explain why: Richardson, an adult, acknowledged knowingly and voluntarily using a banned substance, marijuana. Afterward, she sought and obtained leniency given the particular drug and her personal circumstances.
Beyond law, the ethical calculus is also in Valieva’s favor. Valieva is a world-class competitor but also a child who should be safeguarded by the adults and organizations charged with her care. Does anyone believe that she personally schemed to find a cocktail of heart drugs? There is a lot of speculation about the metabolic effects of trimetazidine but no peer-reviewed evidence that it enhances performance. Benjamin D. Levine, one of the world’s leading experts in cardiology and exercise science, opined that there was “zero” chance that trimetazidine would improve her performance. Even peers who think she should not skate allow that she would be a star regardless, suggesting that fairness to competitors is not the issue so much as the integrity of the anti-doping movement.
Which brings us to the bear in the room: Russia’s doping history. Punishing Russia for its trespasses arguably requires punishing its athletes — that’s how sanctions work. The International Olympic Committee’s response to Russian doping has been to allow individual athletes to compete, but not allow the Russians to fly their flag, a sometimes laughable approach. The effort, however, also reflects the human values the Olympics represent and the general sense among athletes that sanctions shouldn’t be on the table in sports. A corrupt nation-state should not be able, year in and year out, to deprive its best young athletes of the opportunity to compete against their peers.
I get the instinct that because Valieva tested positive she should not skate. I was in the race in 1983 when Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia set the still-standing 800-meter world record. That record is widely understood to have been the product of doping.
I later helped set up the world’s first random out-of-competition drug-testing program for USA Track & Field, and I drafted the White House’s negotiating document that helped establish the World Anti-Doping Agency. I’ve learned that anti-doping efforts are strong only if they have integrity. Decisions can’t be only politically expedient; they have to be based in law and evidence. Taking down a brilliant kid whose adults may have abused rather than safeguarded her isn’t the way to fix what’s broken about the anti-doping movement.“ And based on this TODAY all minors should be prevented from competing. Seriously - put them on a plane and send them home - every single one of them. The very idea that you're going to protect minors by allowing coaches to dope you and still compete - it's so beyond unfathomable. If minors are allowed to dope, no minors should compete period-this rationale is NOTHING about protecting minors and everything about continuing to support a corrupt system.
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Post by maryland on Feb 17, 2022 16:25:41 GMT
Sure but in this case it's likely they will sweep the medals - it's not just one athlete doping - I'm a swimming fan and am very, very familiar with athletes breaking the rules. At least in that case you have one event compromised. I may be completely wrong, but I do feel strongly that continuing to watch and giving them the viewership they desire as the "premier" Winter Games event is supporting an utterly corrupt system that is making a mockery of fair sport. The other competitors are being held hostage because people don't care enough to actually hold Russia accountable - ultimately the IOC ONLY cares about money - if the IOC thought people wouldn't watch they'd deal with it, but they know as has been shown yet again this week - people actually don't care and if anything the scandal probably increased viewership. I personally was conflicted about whether or not to watch. But in the end I decided that I wanted to support the other athletes. I also thought about turning it off when the Russians skated, but didn't know if anyone would "know" anyway--when looking at viewers, can they get that detailed of information? I don't know how ratings work. I ended up keeping it on because I wanted to hear what the commentators said. I didn't watch much, though. I wish someone would have had more upbeat music. Everyone that I saw was kind of slow and not really that interesting to me. I just couldn't watch. I was too angry and didn't watch because I need positivity in my life right now. But I think it's great that you watched to support the other athletes. I hope the other skaters had their best performances.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 17, 2022 16:34:17 GMT
This is in today’s Washington Post. I thought that it might interest those of you who follow skating. This law professor argues that the decision to allow her to skate was the correct one. I don’t have a horse in this race, since I am not really following the Olympics much. But this debate is interesting. Doriane Lambelet Coleman, a professor at Duke Law School, is co-director of the Center for Sports Law & Policy and a senior fellow at the Kenan Institute for Ethics.
Russian Kamila Valieva is the best figure skater on the planet, she is gorgeous to watch perform and she should be skating in Beijing.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport’s decision to allow Valieva to compete this week has been widely criticized as the arbitrary product of corrupt institutions driven by commercial and political interests. Actually, the decision was a textbook application of well-established law. It was also ethically sound.
No one’s goal should be premature, career-ending penalties for children. It’s also wrong to turn Valieva into a punching bag for legitimate concerns about Russian state-sponsored doping and the Olympic movement’s flawed anti-doping effort.
The only issue before the arbitration panel in Beijing was whether to restore a provisional suspension imposed — and then reversed — by Valieva’s domestic federation after a December drug test returned a preliminary positive for a banned heart medication. The panel was not charged with deciding whether Valieva had committed a doping violation. That decision has not yet been made.
Under the law, children and younger adolescents are considered “protected persons,” and claims against them may be adjudicated more leniently than those against older adolescents and adults. Many have focused on 15-year-old Valieva’s protected status, suggesting it’s the reason she has escaped punishment for alleged doping. But her status, and the proportional treatment she receives, are only part of the heavy weight on her side of the legal scales.
Valieva’s case so far is characterized by the absence of evidence — both for her opponents to prosecute her and for her to defend herself. The burden was on Olympic organizations to show they were likely to succeed on the merits of a doping charge. Combine that with the irreparable harm Valieva would undoubtedly suffer were the suspension reimposed, as a legal matter the decision allowing her to compete was not surprising. Indeed, a different outcome would have been political.
The law applied to Valieva’s case is the same as used in the United States. In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered USA Track & Field to allow world-record holder Butch Reynolds to run in Olympic trials even though he was serving a suspension for a two-year-old positive steroid test. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: “A decent respect for the incomparable importance of winning a gold medal in the Olympic Games convinces me that a pecuniary award is not an adequate substitute for the intangible values for which the world’s greatest athletes compete.” The law hasn’t changed since I was one of the lawyers on the losing side of that argument.
This week, U.S. sprinter Sha’Carri Richardson tweeted that the only difference between her not being allowed to compete in the Olympics last summer after a positive drug test and Valieva’s clearance to compete now is that “I’m a black young lady.” Actually, other facts explain why: Richardson, an adult, acknowledged knowingly and voluntarily using a banned substance, marijuana. Afterward, she sought and obtained leniency given the particular drug and her personal circumstances.
Beyond law, the ethical calculus is also in Valieva’s favor. Valieva is a world-class competitor but also a child who should be safeguarded by the adults and organizations charged with her care. Does anyone believe that she personally schemed to find a cocktail of heart drugs? There is a lot of speculation about the metabolic effects of trimetazidine but no peer-reviewed evidence that it enhances performance. Benjamin D. Levine, one of the world’s leading experts in cardiology and exercise science, opined that there was “zero” chance that trimetazidine would improve her performance. Even peers who think she should not skate allow that she would be a star regardless, suggesting that fairness to competitors is not the issue so much as the integrity of the anti-doping movement.
Which brings us to the bear in the room: Russia’s doping history. Punishing Russia for its trespasses arguably requires punishing its athletes — that’s how sanctions work. The International Olympic Committee’s response to Russian doping has been to allow individual athletes to compete, but not allow the Russians to fly their flag, a sometimes laughable approach. The effort, however, also reflects the human values the Olympics represent and the general sense among athletes that sanctions shouldn’t be on the table in sports. A corrupt nation-state should not be able, year in and year out, to deprive its best young athletes of the opportunity to compete against their peers.
I get the instinct that because Valieva tested positive she should not skate. I was in the race in 1983 when Jarmila Kratochvílová of Czechoslovakia set the still-standing 800-meter world record. That record is widely understood to have been the product of doping.
I later helped set up the world’s first random out-of-competition drug-testing program for USA Track & Field, and I drafted the White House’s negotiating document that helped establish the World Anti-Doping Agency. I’ve learned that anti-doping efforts are strong only if they have integrity. Decisions can’t be only politically expedient; they have to be based in law and evidence. Taking down a brilliant kid whose adults may have abused rather than safeguarded her isn’t the way to fix what’s broken about the anti-doping movement.“ And based on this TODAY all minors should be prevented from competing. Seriously - put them on a plane and send them home - every single one of them. The very idea that you're going to protect minors by allowing coaches to dope you and still compete - it's so beyond unfathomable. If minors are allowed to dope, no minors should compete period-this rationale is NOTHING about protecting minors and everything about continuing to support a corrupt system. Some parts of her argument, whether it gives someone an advantage or not, it is still banned. Marijuana doesn’t give you a competitive advantage, and it’s still banned. Regardless, the Russians seem to believe there is *some* advantage in using it, if they are willing to risk doping a child with it.
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blemon
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Post by blemon on Feb 17, 2022 17:18:58 GMT
If she did accidentally take her grandfather's medication, what medication did she think she was taking? I don't have a source to quote here but while I was watching the Olympics on Peacock yesterday (watched the replay of Tuesday night's event), the announcer said that they actually found a mix of three substances in her blood. He said combined they increase endurance because of how they affect the heart's ability to use oxygen. This was the dude that stands in the room, not one the dude who commentates with Tara and Johnny.
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Post by janamke on Feb 17, 2022 17:30:18 GMT
It saddens me, but all my joy for the Olympics is gone. I used to mark my calendar for both Olympics. We’d watch our favorite events as a family, even having celebratory dinners or snacks.
The economic and environmental toll of the Olympics is unforgivable. Ignoring host countries’ humans rights abuse is unforgivable. Ignoring ongoing child abuse year after year is unforgivable. The latest doping scandal is unforgivable. The IOC is a blight on society, shame on them.
I feel for all the athletes who work their entire lives to excel at their sport. But I’m done, I can no longer support the Olympics.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 17, 2022 18:16:30 GMT
It sounds like she didn't do well and came in forth place. I wonder if it was on purpose or if the pressure just got to her.
From Perez: The Russian teenager delivered a mistake-filled performance during the event, which aired live very early on Thursday morning across America. Weir explained to viewers that Kamila’s program was “incredibly difficult,” but still, the teenager was uncharacteristically mistake-prone throughout, falling several times during the run.
In the end, Valieva finished fourth in the event. Her Russian teammate Anna Shcherbakova won the gold medal in the Thursday free skate with a 255.95 score. Another Russian competitor, Alexandra Trusova, won the silver medal after successfully completing five quad jumps during her run, and logging 251.73 points — beating her previous competitive best by nearly 40 points. Japan’s Kaori Sakamoto earned the bronze medal with her own strong run to round out the top three.
So there will be a medal ceremony even tho 2 Russians placed bc I guess they were "clean" at the time of their test
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Post by scrapngranny on Feb 17, 2022 18:33:48 GMT
I feel the Olympics have run their course. They no longer stand for what they once did
All the scandals, doping along with sexual abuse have tainted the games to the point they no longer have any meaning and value.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 17, 2022 18:50:10 GMT
It saddens me, but all my joy for the Olympics is gone. I used to mark my calendar for both Olympics. We’d watch our favorite events as a family, even having celebratory dinners or snacks. The economic and environmental toll of the Olympics is unforgivable. Ignoring host countries’ humans rights abuse is unforgivable. Ignoring ongoing child abuse year after year is unforgivable. The latest doping scandal is unforgivable. The IOC is a blight on society, shame on them. I feel for all the athletes who work their entire lives to excel at their sport. But I’m done, I can no longer support the Olympics. So with you sister - I'm just so damn mad and I LOVE the Olympics My husband went to put it on last night and I was like NO - at what point do we as consumers demand more as we all know there is no actual venue beyond Olympics - these sports are meaningless without eyeballs every 4 years.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 17, 2022 18:51:47 GMT
It sounds like she didn't do well and came in forth place. I wonder if it was on purpose or if the pressure just got to her.
From Perez: The Russian teenager delivered a mistake-filled performance during the event, which aired live very early on Thursday morning across America. Weir explained to viewers that Kamila’s program was “incredibly difficult,” but still, the teenager was uncharacteristically mistake-prone throughout, falling several times during the run.
In the end, Valieva finished fourth in the event. Her Russian teammate Anna Shcherbakova won the gold medal in the Thursday free skate with a 255.95 score. Another Russian competitor, Alexandra Trusova, won the silver medal after successfully completing five quad jumps during her run, and logging 251.73 points — beating her previous competitive best by nearly 40 points. Japan’s Kaori Sakamoto earned the bronze medal with her own strong run to round out the top three.
So there will be a medal ceremony even tho 2 Russians placed bc I guess they were "clean" at the time of their test Disgusting - absolutely disgusting we all know those Russians also doped - it's just wrong.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 17, 2022 19:31:21 GMT
I didn't watch! When I turned on the TV it was over around 9am(?)... That team sure did abandoned the little one. Left her standing all alone. Shame on them. And the other tantrum... I guess they will face consequences when they get home.
I did not see any medals!! Or were they in/on those bear(mascot) things?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 17, 2022 19:59:03 GMT
It sounds like she didn't do well and came in forth place. I wonder if it was on purpose or if the pressure just got to her.
From Perez: The Russian teenager delivered a mistake-filled performance during the event, which aired live very early on Thursday morning across America. Weir explained to viewers that Kamila’s program was “incredibly difficult,” but still, the teenager was uncharacteristically mistake-prone throughout, falling several times during the run.
In the end, Valieva finished fourth in the event. Her Russian teammate Anna Shcherbakova won the gold medal in the Thursday free skate with a 255.95 score. Another Russian competitor, Alexandra Trusova, won the silver medal after successfully completing five quad jumps during her run, and logging 251.73 points — beating her previous competitive best by nearly 40 points. Japan’s Kaori Sakamoto earned the bronze medal with her own strong run to round out the top three.
So there will be a medal ceremony even tho 2 Russians placed bc I guess they were "clean" at the time of their test Disgusting - absolutely disgusting we all know those Russians also doped - it's just wrong. exactly. they just had it worked out of their systems when it came time for the test.
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