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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 13:42:01 GMT
In your world, are there neutral media sources? Doubtful. In the world of right-wing religionists there is only "with us " or "agin' us". God or "the adversary". Black or white. This thinking is and will continue to be the ruination of our nation toward either full-on civil war or the decimation of what could be an amazing nation of progress, peace and health.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 13:44:20 GMT
. I am fully vaccinated but believe mandates are government overreach. I am so f#($*(ING sick and tired of hearing the "I'm for vaccines but against mandates" when you keep forgetting to add the last part "I'm against mandates IN A PANDEMIC!!!!!" Tell me, how do you feel about the MANDATE that people wear clothes in public?!?!? Why should we have to?!?!? OUR BODIES - right?!!!?
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 14:17:35 GMT
. I am fully vaccinated but believe mandates are government overreach. I am so f#($*(ING sick and tired of hearing the "I'm for vaccines but against mandates" when you keep forgetting to add the last part "I'm against mandates IN A PANDEMIC!!!!!" Tell me, how do you feel about the MANDATE that people wear clothes in public?!?!? Why should we have to?!?!? OUR BODIES - right?!!!? Sorry to offend you. Yes I am against mandates in a pandemic. If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 14:22:21 GMT
If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want. That wasn't AT ALL the question. How do you feel about the CURRENT ACTUAL MANDATE that we WEAR SOMETHING in public?!?!?!? (not your made-up hypothetical mandate) After all, my body. Why are you/society MANDATING what I have to put on it?!?!
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2022 14:23:43 GMT
I am so f#($*(ING sick and tired of hearing the "I'm for vaccines but against mandates" when you keep forgetting to add the last part "I'm against mandates IN A PANDEMIC!!!!!" Tell me, how do you feel about the MANDATE that people wear clothes in public?!?!? Why should we have to?!?!? OUR BODIES - right?!!!? Sorry to offend you. Yes I am against mandates in a pandemic. If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want. That would be fine wouldn’t it, if enough people did the best for society and the greater good and to help prevent more mutations of their own accord but as we can see - it hasn’t happened…and so the pandemic continues for EVERYone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 14:32:29 GMT
Wouldn't a local news station be best? I know that Fox cable network Before I restart watching the live stream I'm now watching, I thought I'd answer. I'm not in Canada. I don't watch Canadian news. I'm only relaying what I have heard people willingly step up to an online live-streamer to state, and what they are overwhelmingly saying is that what they are seeing on the news is NOT what they are seeing in real life. I WAS surprised to hear FOX news specifically noted and thanked several times yesterday for at least showing some of what they were seeing in real life. I watched a little FOX news later that night to see and did see clips that looked like they may have come from live-streamers. That's my own witness account of what I heard from an online live-stream from random strangers, so take it for what it is and nothing more.As for what is happening... I guess that depends on where you get your news from. If you listen to Premier Prime Minister Trudeau, who personally is in awe of communist China (his own words, not my opinion), his statements to the media and on the floor of government are those of denigration of all of the people who have a disagreement with his mandates and who have repeatedly and unsuccessfully sought to speak with him. I watched him speak online to a representative body (senate?), so those weren't news clips but real time video that I refer to. He walked out of this body instead of answering the thrice called for demands to renounce his comments to the body - which included Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors - about standing with Nazis. The US government has not disagreed with him. Those are facts as stripped of as much personal opinion as I am capable of stating. And, with that, this is way more than I intended on saying and it's probably best for me to back away from the thread now. isn't in Canada, doesn't watch any local or national Canadian news but seems to have found (and believe) one of the 'true' news sources. If this isn't the Dunning-Kruger effect, what is?
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 14:56:36 GMT
If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want. That wasn't AT ALL the question. How do you feel about the MANDATE that we WEAR SOMETHING in public?!?!?!? After all, my body. Why are you/society MANDATING what I have to put on it?!?! I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood?
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 14:58:25 GMT
Sorry to offend you. Yes I am against mandates in a pandemic. If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want. That would be fine wouldn’t it, if enough people did the best for society and the greater good and to help prevent more mutations of their own accord but as we can see - it hasn’t happened…and so the pandemic continues for EVERYone. I guess I feel like In Canada we have done our part. 80% are vaccinated. That includes me and my husband and all three of our children. So at some point I would like to get back to normal. 💯 of people getting vaccinated isn’t realistic and shouldn’t be required or mandated in my opinion to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 15:00:53 GMT
I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood? Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!?
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 20, 2022 15:01:07 GMT
I tried checking the end of the thread here about the trucker convoy in Canada first, and I just couldn't take reading any more. Maybe some of y'all can relate to that. Maybe you can't. Whatever. It is what it is, and what it is has been here for years on end now. The little that I read of that thread makes me truly wonder what you are basing your opinions on. I'm basing my opinions on a Canadian live-streamer I've been watching for quite a number of years now - someone who consciously tries to be as objective on any subject as is humanly possible - as well as other live-streaming videos. I've watched hour after hour after hour of life on the ground with the truckers and protesters in Ottawa, and I've got to say that what I read of the overwhelming opinion here represented NONE of what I was seeing streaming live. So, the obvious question here is why what I'm seeing happening live is so dramatically different from the opinions of people here? Answer however you wish. I'm not starting this thread to debate or argue, and at this moment I have zero desire to comment further. I just simply want to know what you are basing your opinions on. It doesn't matter if it's left leaning or right leaning information. The point is that it's an illegal occupation of the downtown area of a city that's been allowed to go on for weeks. No one has the right to entirely block off a city. It's illegal even if the participants are nice. Roads are blocked, access is blocked, businesses are closed. People can't go to work because they can't drive their cars or take a bus to work. Fireworks and horns were going night and day. This is all illegal activity it doesn't matter which news slant you're watching. My BIL parks at a shopping mall on the outskirts of town and uses public transit to go to his office in the "red zone". He has no access to his office right now. They've been given an absurd amount of warning and notification. Time to move them out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 15:02:51 GMT
💯 of people getting vaccinated isn’t realistic Nobody is going for 100%. They are going for mandated vaccines for SOME PROFESSIONS and/or in some instances based on the science and weighing of pros/cons. Not based on your uninformed opinion.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 20, 2022 15:04:42 GMT
That wasn't AT ALL the question. How do you feel about the MANDATE that we WEAR SOMETHING in public?!?!?!? After all, my body. Why are you/society MANDATING what I have to put on it?!?! I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood? Mandate = Mandate right? So either they are ALL “government overreach” or not. That is what you said.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 15:22:51 GMT
I am honestly confused by the whole thing. Isn't it like 90% of them are vaccinated? It seems like a few truckers are pissed off at all the mandates and this is how they are choosing to protest? I did do some googling trying to find a good news source in Canada, but wasn't sure. Wouldn't a local news station be best? I know that Fox cable network is extremely right wing, but my local Fox station has an excellent political reporter I follow on Twitter. AND it is Canada, they seem to take journalism more seriously than the U.S.
ETA: To answer your question, I have been looking at news on Twitter. It seems what comes up most is small video clips of what appears protestors being hurt, BUT I need to see everything to know what's really going on.
Lots of the people protesting are vaccinated, they are not anti vaccine they are anti mandate. I am fully vaccinated but believe mandates are government overreach. I have a close friend that has been in ottawa every weekend since it started because he is a firefighter that got his first shot and now has heart problems so won’t get his second shot and has now lost his job. Why wouldn’t he be eligible for a medical exemption? And were his heart problems conclusively caused by the vaccine? Also, the protest may have started as anti-mandate and that may have been their intent but it has expanded well beyond that to far right grievances, anti-government, white supremacy, anti-vax etc. Funding is coming from those groups and some of the supporters there represent those groups. Regrettably, this includes far right trump supporters and extremists from the US with trump and confederate flags. The protest is much more than anti-mandate. www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/us-trucker-convoy-picks-momentum-foreign-meddling-adds-fray-rcna15932
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 15:51:25 GMT
Lots of the people protesting are vaccinated, they are not anti vaccine they are anti mandate. I am fully vaccinated but believe mandates are government overreach. I have a close friend that has been in ottawa every weekend since it started because he is a firefighter that got his first shot and now has heart problems so won’t get his second shot and has now lost his job. Why wouldn’t he be eligible for a medical exemption? And were his heart problems conclusively caused by the vaccine? Also, the protest may have started as anti-mandate and that may have been their intent but it has expanded well beyond that to far right grievances, anti-government, white supremacy, anti-vax etc. Funding is coming from those groups and some of the supporters there represent those groups. Regrettably, this includes far right trump supporters and extremists from the US with trump and confederate flags. The protest is much more than anti-mandate. www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/us-trucker-convoy-picks-momentum-foreign-meddling-adds-fray-rcna15932He has been trying to get a medical exception and has a lawyer involved now but hasn’t got it yet It started about 12 hours after his vaccine. Nothing is guaranteed but it is a known side effect so seems likely.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 15:56:01 GMT
💯 of people getting vaccinated isn’t realistic Nobody is going for 100%. They are going for mandated vaccines for SOME PROFESSIONS and/or in some instances based on the science and weighing of pros/cons. Not based on your uninformed opinion. Why am I uninformed but you are informed? Lol Do you feel that anyone who doesn’t agree with you or the government just in general is uninformed?
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 16:00:10 GMT
I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood? Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? I don’t consider myself a hypocrite at all. I am okay with laws and rules to keep society safe and functioning however I don’t believe these mandates will do one thing to benefit anyone but in turn will cause division and hurt. It is not a situation where mandates should be used or implemented I don’t believe.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 20, 2022 16:01:15 GMT
A lot of us get our information from a variety of sources ranging from traditional U.S. newspapers and digital news streams, Canadian equivalents, Canadian friends and family, non-news-affiliated folks posting on a variety of platforms, etc., but we could evidently have cut out all of that sourcing and just followed one livestream!
I get that this is a shit-stirring post, but if there is any earnestness in it …
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Post by pinklady on Feb 20, 2022 16:14:26 GMT
Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? I don’t consider myself a hypocrite at all. I am okay with laws and rules to keep society safe and functioning however I don’t believe these mandates will do one thing to benefit anyone but in turn will cause division and hurt. It is not a situation where mandates should be used or implemented I don’t believe. Huh, you don’t equate reducing the possibility of death to “keeping society safe”? That’s just some serious mental gymnastics right there.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 20, 2022 16:52:04 GMT
That would be fine wouldn’t it, if enough people did the best for society and the greater good and to help prevent more mutations of their own accord but as we can see - it hasn’t happened…and so the pandemic continues for EVERYone. I guess I feel like In Canada we have done our part. 80% are vaccinated. That includes me and my husband and all three of our children. So at some point I would like to get back to normal. 💯 of people getting vaccinated isn’t realistic and shouldn’t be required or mandated in my opinion to do so. No, but pretty damn close to *is* possible. When you don’t have adults behaving like 2 year olds throwing tantrums and claiming personal responsibility, that is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 16:56:18 GMT
Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? I don’t consider myself a hypocrite at all. I am okay with laws and rules to keep society safe and functioning however I don’t believe these mandates will do one thing to benefit anyone but in turn will cause division and hurt. It is not a situation where mandates should be used or implemented I don’t believe. Luckily your opinion means nothing at all when it comes to science, medicine, public health, and city management.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 16:58:04 GMT
Nobody is going for 100%. They are going for mandated vaccines for SOME PROFESSIONS and/or in some instances based on the science and weighing of pros/cons. Not based on your uninformed opinion. Why am I uninformed but you are informed? Lol Do you feel that anyone who doesn’t agree with you or the government just in general is uninformed? That is a great question! Congratulations! Asking questions and seeking answers from reputable sources is step one in the journey away from uninformed opinions. Try it out. Start reading credible science, credible medical studies, credible public health studies, and the like.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 17:13:36 GMT
Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? I don’t consider myself a hypocrite at all. I am okay with laws and rules to keep society safe and functioning however I don’t believe these mandates will do one thing to benefit anyone but in turn will cause division and hurt. It is not a situation where mandates should be used or implemented I don’t believe. What sources are you reading/watching that have caused you to believe that health measures don’t do any good? Or that the actual source of division is not the mandates, but the people who have chosen to believe propaganda sites?
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 17:20:35 GMT
Imagine being so deluded that you believe that the selective view of one random person is “truth,” but that the reporting of media sources who hire actual journalists is “fake.” Or for that matter, having the single minded focus to watch “hours and hours” of a livestream.
Sounds like cult behavior to me.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Feb 20, 2022 18:05:52 GMT
Why am I uninformed but you are informed? Lol Do you feel that anyone who doesn’t agree with you or the government just in general is uninformed? That is a great question! Congratulations! Asking questions and seeking answers from reputable sources is step one in the journey away from uninformed opinions. Try it out. Start reading credible science, credible medical studies, credible public health studies, and the like. Wow! I have done this exact thing for 2 years now. Every day my husband and I watch the news for about 40 minutes every morning. CP24. Which is main stream right leaning media out of Toronto. I have talked to my doctor before I decided to vaccinate my children, I have family in ottawa and went to see the protest with my own eyes to see if the news was portraying it correctly which was obvious it was not. I have watched government debates for two years now and every speech doug ford has given for ontario. Did you go down to Wellington street to see for yourself what was happening?
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 18:14:38 GMT
Every time some random individual says they went down there for themselves and “saw what was happening,” I think of this cartoon.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 18:22:26 GMT
And for those of you who get mad at those of us who continue to be “mean,” just consider it our ongoing peaceful protest against the crazy that has caused all of this to be much worse and last much longer than it should have. You think you’re enraged about mandates? Imagine how much rage we have about the fact that people have chosen to believe propaganda and pseudo science, which is what caused vaccine/mask refusal and the need for mandates in the first place. Imagine our absolute fury at the leaders who have encouraged that POV.
This is their fault. It’s the fault of all the people who willingly followed them. And you dare to accuse people of being “bullies” for speaking out against it online. SMDH.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 19:46:52 GMT
. I am fully vaccinated but believe mandates are government overreach. I am so f#($*(ING sick and tired of hearing the "I'm for vaccines but against mandates" when you keep forgetting to add the last part "I'm against mandates IN A PANDEMIC!!!!!" Tell me, how do you feel about the MANDATE that people wear clothes in public?!?!? Why should we have to?!?!? OUR BODIES - right?!!!? Comparing wearing clothes with mandating injecting drugs into your body? Until we see the government mandate surgically attaching your clothes, this is an absolutely perfect example of a false comparison. Apples to oranges.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 20:00:55 GMT
I am so f#($*(ING sick and tired of hearing the "I'm for vaccines but against mandates" when you keep forgetting to add the last part "I'm against mandates IN A PANDEMIC!!!!!" Tell me, how do you feel about the MANDATE that people wear clothes in public?!?!? Why should we have to?!?!? OUR BODIES - right?!!!? Comparing wearing clothes with mandating injecting drugs into your body? Until we see the government mandate surgically attaching your clothes, this is an absolutely perfect example of a false comparison. Apples to oranges. Nope. Mandates about what you have to do w your body.
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Post by spottiedottie on Feb 20, 2022 20:09:41 GMT
mandolyn9909, thanks for your participation in this thread. I appreciate hearing from someone who has actually been in Ottawa to see for themselves what is happening.
Sorry for all the hate that is being poured out on you because you have a different opinion than others.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 20:16:01 GMT
Just a note - the people I'm watching live have made a continual point to state that what cbc is reporting is dramatically biased and is not at all representing what has been happening. Amen.
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