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Post by LiLi on Feb 20, 2022 20:23:12 GMT
mandolyn9909, thanks for your participation in this thread. I appreciate hearing from someone who has actually been in Ottawa to see for themselves what is happening. Sorry for all the hate that is being poured out on you because you have a different opinion than others. Where do you see an instance of hate? |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 20, 2022 20:30:45 GMT
mandolyn9909, thanks for your participation in this thread. I appreciate hearing from someone who has actually been in Ottawa to see for themselves what is happening. Sorry for all the hate that is being poured out on you because you have a different opinion than others. You have a twisted version of what âhateâ is. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 20:31:29 GMT
I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood? Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? This is a very unintelligent sounding statement. Clothing is put on our bodies. A vaccine is shot directly into our bloodstream. Hopefully you can see what the different implications might be. ETA: In fact she actually gave you an example of what the implications might be when she said she knew someone who has been injured by the "vaccine". |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 20:34:03 GMT
Comparing wearing clothes with mandating injecting drugs into your body?  Until we see the government mandate surgically attaching your clothes, this is an absolutely perfect example of a false comparison. Apples to oranges. Nope. Mandates about what you have to do w your body. Going by the standard taught here, it is an absolute perfect example of a false comparison. Mandating wearing clothes is not even remotely the same as mandating that drugs be injected into your body. Going by what you've insisted on previously. But keep showing how even you won't adhere to the standards you demand from others. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 20:41:47 GMT
Nope. Mandates about what you have to do w your body. Going by the standard taught here, it is an absolute perfect example of a false comparison. Mandating wearing clothes is not even remotely the same as mandating that drugs be injected into your body. Going by what you've insisted on previously. But keep showing how even you won't adhere to the standards you demand from others. Itâs exactly in line with the standards I adhere to. It is a mandate about what you are required to do with your body in certain situation in either case. Thanks for playing. |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 20, 2022 20:45:15 GMT
Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? This is a very unintelligent sounding statement. Clothing is put on our bodies. A vaccine is shot directly into our bloodstream. Hopefully you can see what the different implications might be. ETA: In fact she actually gave you an example of what the implications might be when she said she knew someone who has been injured by the "vaccine". Lol the last time you got actually invested in a thread on here, you were upset over a caricature stamp of Trump. đ„±đ |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 20, 2022 20:45:16 GMT
Itâs a huge red flag for me when someone says that they donât believe anything that is being reported on ANY mainstream, reputable news source.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 20:47:14 GMT
I tried checking the end of the thread here about the trucker convoy in Canada first, and I just couldn't take reading any more. Maybe some of y'all can relate to that. Maybe you can't. Whatever. It is what it is, and what it is has been here for years on end now. The little that I read of that thread makes me truly wonder what you are basing your opinions on. I'm basing my opinions on a Canadian live-streamer I've been watching for quite a number of years now - someone who consciously tries to be as objective on any subject as is humanly possible - as well as other live-streaming videos. I've watched hour after hour after hour of life on the ground with the truckers and protesters in Ottawa, and I've got to say that what I read of the overwhelming opinion here represented NONE of what I was seeing streaming live. So, the obvious question here is why what I'm seeing happening live is so dramatically different from the opinions of people here? Answer however you wish. I'm not starting this thread to debate or argue, and at this moment I have zero desire to comment further. I just simply want to know what you are basing your opinions on. It doesn't matter if it's left leaning or right leaning information. The point is that it's an illegal occupation of the downtown area of a city that's been allowed to go on for weeks. No one has the right to entirely block off a city. It's illegal even if the participants are nice. Roads are blocked, access is blocked, businesses are closed. People can't go to work because they can't drive their cars or take a bus to work. Fireworks and horns were going night and day. This is all illegal activity it doesn't matter which news slant you're watching. My BIL parks at a shopping mall on the outskirts of town and uses public transit to go to his office in the "red zone". He has no access to his office right now. They've been given an absurd amount of warning and notification. Time to move them out. Sorry but most of your post is completely false. I suggest you do some research before you spread falsehoods. It's very misleading. Until the Emergencies Act was enacted a few days ago this was a completely legal protest. The convoy had a deal worked out with the city as to where they wanted them to park and they followed the direction. The convoy left lanes open for emergency vehicles to pass through. Businesses were closed because they chose to close, not because they were forced to. The businesses that were open reaped the rewards. People could definitely drive their cars. I drove down there for dentist appointments and to go to the protest multiple times. People were honking their horns but a judge decreed that the protesters were not to honk them at night and they stopped accordingly. People can't go to work because they can't drive their cars or take a bus to work.
My BIL parks at a shopping mall on the outskirts of town and uses public transit to go to his office in the "red zone". You contradicted yourself in your own statement. LOL. So busy spinning tales that you didn't even notice. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 20:49:26 GMT
Sorry to offend you. Yes I am against mandates in a pandemic. If the government decided tomorrow that we all must wear the same uniform before we left the house I would be against that as well. I am ok with the current state of being able to wear what I want. That would be fine wouldnât it, if enough people did the best for society and the greater good and to help prevent more mutations of their own accord but as we can see - it hasnât happenedâŠand so the pandemic continues for EVERYone. Exactly. The Canadian and US governments tried lots of other tactics and carried out lots of other plans to get people vaccinated before resorting to mandates. Donât like mandates? Figure out a way to get the covid anti-vaxxers vaccinated. In the US, itâs mostly stubborn Republicans who are refusing to get vaccinated. Lots of complaining about mandates but never any ideas or contributions from the right. Some Republican politicians and governors have sacrificed their voters for political ambition. Instead of assisting with vaccinations, they are blocking vaccination efforts and in some cases, spreading misinformation. Mandates have been successful at increasing vaccinations. If weâre ever going to get out of this pandemic, more people worldwide need to be vaccinated. The vaccination rates in developed countries need to be higher. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 20, 2022 20:50:58 GMT
I answered you. Yes I am ok with the current requirement of wearing clothing in public. Not sure I understand how you correlate that to a medical procedure to keep your livelihood? Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? What we put ON our bodies and what we are forced to put IN our bodies are 2 completely different entities. Why are you so against people being able to choose what they put INTO their bodies. What DID happen to FREEDOM? Keep in mind that âthe science is changingâ now and mandates are being lifted left, right and center right now here in the states and now nobody will have to wear a mask if they donât want to. The same is going to happen with vaxes. Are you going to be one of those who wear a mask forever, or will you stop when the mandate is lifted? |
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 20, 2022 20:51:27 GMT
Lol the mothballs are getting a workout today, I guess. đ
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 20, 2022 20:53:58 GMT
Why are you OK with that mandate?!?! Hypocritical much? Why is it OK for society to MANDATE that we put clothes on our bodies in public!?!?! Why aren't you CONSISTENT about your anti-mandate stance when it comes to SOCIETY telling us what to put on our bodies?!? What happened to FREEDOM?!?!?!? This is a very unintelligent sounding statement. Clothing is put on our bodies. A vaccine is shot directly into our bloodstream. Hopefully you can see what the different implications might be. ETA: In fact she actually gave you an example of what the implications might be when she said she knew someone who has been injured by the "vaccine". Why are you putting vaccine in quotes? đ Rhetorical question. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 20:59:53 GMT
Every time some random individual says they went down there for themselves and âsaw what was happening,â I think of this cartoon.  I was told in the Trump supporters blocking voters thread that unless I've been to the location myself I couldn't possibly have an opinion. Despite the pictures "you" provided as proof not showing what you claimed and the police on the scene saying it wasn't happening. The claim was, I had to have been to the location to have THE correct opinion. Now people have been there and seen for themselves and it's still dismissed as not THE correct opinion because being there and seeing for yourself is NOW not proof enough. Are you at all comprehending what people are seeing you doing here? Going by what you've insisted on previously and now you flip flop on your standards when it suits your narrative. |
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:01:03 GMT
That would be fine wouldnât it, if enough people did the best for society and the greater good and to help prevent more mutations of their own accord but as we can see - it hasnât happenedâŠand so the pandemic continues for EVERYone. Exactly. The Canadian and US governments tried lots of other tactics and carried out lots of other plans to get people vaccinated before resorting to mandates. Donât like mandates? Figure out a way to get the covid anti-vaxxers vaccinated. In the US, itâs mostly stubborn Republicans who are refusing to get vaccinated. Lots of complaining about mandates but never any ideas or contributions from the right. Some Republican politicians and governors have sacrificed their voters for political ambition. Instead of assisting with vaccinations, they are blocking vaccination efforts and in some cases, spreading misinformation. Mandates have been successful at increasing vaccinations. If weâre ever going to get out of this pandemic, more people worldwide need to be vaccinated. The vaccination rates in developed countries need to be higher. This "vaccine" is not a sterilizing "vaccine" so your statement is false. You can't "vaccinate" your way out of a pandemic when people who are getting "vaccinated" are still getting the disease. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 21:02:23 GMT
Youâre entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. Lots of facts about the protest have been well established through multiple, credible sources.
The protest may have started as anti-mandate but expanded and now includes people and money from far right conspiracy groups, anti-vaxxers, white supremecist, anti-government, far right extremists etc.
And there are not millions of people involved. Estimates are around 5,000 - 10,000 people. Also, only 1/3 of Canadians support the blockade. The number of locals that support them is significantly lower. The truckers and people that joined them are still a small but vocal minority.
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Post by sudsy on Feb 20, 2022 21:03:10 GMT
This is a very unintelligent sounding statement. Clothing is put on our bodies. A vaccine is shot directly into our bloodstream. Hopefully you can see what the different implications might be. ETA: In fact she actually gave you an example of what the implications might be when she said she knew someone who has been injured by the "vaccine". Why are you putting vaccine in quotes? đ Rhetorical question. I'm putting it in quotes because it doesn't qualify as a vaccine by definition. It was only allowed to be called a vaccine because of the state of emergency that was declared. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 21:07:40 GMT
Exactly. The Canadian and US governments tried lots of other tactics and carried out lots of other plans to get people vaccinated before resorting to mandates. Donât like mandates? Figure out a way to get the covid anti-vaxxers vaccinated. In the US, itâs mostly stubborn Republicans who are refusing to get vaccinated. Lots of complaining about mandates but never any ideas or contributions from the right. Some Republican politicians and governors have sacrificed their voters for political ambition. Instead of assisting with vaccinations, they are blocking vaccination efforts and in some cases, spreading misinformation. Mandates have been successful at increasing vaccinations. If weâre ever going to get out of this pandemic, more people worldwide need to be vaccinated. The vaccination rates in developed countries need to be higher. This "vaccine" is not a sterilizing "vaccine" so your statement is false. You can't "vaccinate" your way out of a pandemic when people who are getting "vaccinated" are still getting the disease. Do you have any idea how vaccines work? Do you know how we eradicated polio in all but 2 countries?Vaccinations. We are on track to eradicate polio worldwide by 2026 through vaccinations. www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/the-u-s-government-and-global-polio-efforts/So yes, the way through and out of the pandemic is vaccinations. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 21:07:45 GMT
Nobody is going for 100%. They are going for mandated vaccines for SOME PROFESSIONS and/or in some instances based on the science and weighing of pros/cons. Not based on your uninformed opinion. Why am I uninformed but you are informed? Lol Do you feel that anyone who doesnât agree with you or the government just in general is uninformed? Based on what they say, that seems to be the standard applied across the board. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 20, 2022 21:10:01 GMT
Exactly. The Canadian and US governments tried lots of other tactics and carried out lots of other plans to get people vaccinated before resorting to mandates. Donât like mandates? Figure out a way to get the covid anti-vaxxers vaccinated. In the US, itâs mostly stubborn Republicans who are refusing to get vaccinated. Lots of complaining about mandates but never any ideas or contributions from the right. Some Republican politicians and governors have sacrificed their voters for political ambition. Instead of assisting with vaccinations, they are blocking vaccination efforts and in some cases, spreading misinformation. Mandates have been successful at increasing vaccinations. If weâre ever going to get out of this pandemic, more people worldwide need to be vaccinated. The vaccination rates in developed countries need to be higher. This "vaccine" is not a sterilizing "vaccine" so your statement is false. You can't "vaccinate" your way out of a pandemic when people who are getting "vaccinated" are still getting the disease. The current vaccines aren't completely preventing vaccinated people from getting Covid, but the data showing hospitalization and death rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated shows that having high numbers of people who are vaccinated is key to "getting back to normal." As for it only being called a vaccine because of emergency authorization, please give your sources for that. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 20, 2022 21:12:58 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 20, 2022 21:14:48 GMT
I can definitely see that mandating clothes wearing is different than mandating a vaccination. Like @merge, I wish that countries weren't in a position to have to mandate people to take a vaccine that will help us in a global pandemic. I find it disgusting that we have politicians and media outlets that have spread misinformation, lies and propaganda that politicizes the pandemic and the vaccine. I also find it disturbing that throughout the world there is such a high portion of the population that has been duped by these people.
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Post by gar on Feb 20, 2022 21:14:52 GMT
I'm putting it in quotes because it doesn't qualify as a vaccine by definition. It was only allowed to be called a vaccine because of the state of emergency that was declared. Tell the rest of the world that. Ludicrous. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 21:15:03 GMT
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Post by spottiedottie on Feb 20, 2022 21:16:57 GMT
mandolyn9909, thanks for your participation in this thread. I appreciate hearing from someone who has actually been in Ottawa to see for themselves what is happening. Sorry for all the hate that is being poured out on you because you have a different opinion than others. Where do you see an instance of hate? zima threw quite a hissy fit at mandolyn9909 because she expressed an opinion not favorable to vaccine mandates. Then the ridiculous clothing comparison. Seriously, humans have worn clothing for about 150,000 years and public nudity is illegal pretty much everywhere but to zima, wearing clothing in public is the same as being forced to take an injection in order to keep your job and if you don't agree with her you're a hypocrite. Then Merge with her anger issues towards everyone who doesn't agree with her 100%. So much hostility towards someone in Canada who is just sharing her personal experience on a thread where people are being asked to share their personal experience about what's going on in Canada. |
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 20, 2022 21:25:28 GMT
Where do you see an instance of hate? zima threw quite a hissy fit at mandolyn9909 because she expressed an opinion not favorable to vaccine mandates. Then the ridiculous clothing comparison. Seriously, humans have worn clothing for about 150,000 years and public nudity is illegal pretty much everywhere but to zima, wearing clothing in public is the same as being forced to take an injection in order to keep your job and if you don't agree with her you're a hypocrite. Then Merge with her anger issues towards everyone who doesn't agree with her 100%. So much hostility towards someone in Canada who is just sharing her personal experience on a thread where people are being asked to share their personal experience about what's going on in Canada. The problem isnât that sheâs expressing her opinion or perspective. If that was all she was sharing, the discussion would be different. The problem is that mandolyn9909 and sudsy are spreading misinformation or disinformation. Sudsy falsely claimed there were millions of people involved in the blockade. Mandolyn9909 and sudsy repeated false information about an incident with a woman, a horse and a walker. There was a woman with a walker next to a horse who was injured but not trampled by the horse. As an example of misinformation from the right, the tweet about the horse from the Fox reporter was full of misinformation. Also sudsy's claim that the covid vaccine doesn't qualify as a vaccine is completely false. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 21:25:55 GMT
Youâre entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. Lots of facts about the protest have been well established through multiple, credible sources. The protest may have started as anti-mandate but expanded and now includes people and money from far right conspiracy groups, anti-vaxxers, white supremecist, anti-government, far right extremists etc. And there are not millions of people involved. Estimates are around 5,000 - 10,000 people. Also, only 2/3 of Canadians support the blockade. The number of locals that support them is significantly lower. The truckers and people that joined them are still a small but vocal minority. Also, only 2/3 of Canadians support the blockade. Only?  |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 20, 2022 21:27:25 GMT
Where do you see an instance of hate? zima threw quite a hissy fit at mandolyn9909 because she expressed an opinion not favorable to vaccine mandates. Then the ridiculous clothing comparison. Seriously, humans have worn clothing for about 150,000 years and public nudity is illegal pretty much everywhere but to zima, wearing clothing in public is the same as being forced to take an injection in order to keep your job and if you don't agree with her you're a hypocrite. Then Merge with her anger issues towards everyone who doesn't agree with her 100%. So much hostility towards someone in Canada who is just sharing her personal experience on a thread where people are being asked to share their personal experience about what's going on in Canada. So hate = hissy fit? Make up your mind which is it? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 20, 2022 21:35:14 GMT
zima threw quite a hissy fit at mandolyn9909 because she expressed an opinion not favorable to vaccine mandates. Then the ridiculous clothing comparison. Seriously, humans have worn clothing for about 150,000 years and public nudity is illegal pretty much everywhere but to zima, wearing clothing in public is the same as being forced to take an injection in order to keep your job and if you don't agree with her you're a hypocrite. Then Merge with her anger issues towards everyone who doesn't agree with her 100%. So much hostility towards someone in Canada who is just sharing her personal experience on a thread where people are being asked to share their personal experience about what's going on in Canada. The problem isnât that sheâs expressing her opinion or perspective. If that was all she was sharing, the discussion would be different. The problem is that sheâs spreading misinformation or disinformation like the false claim that a woman was trampled by a horse and killed. Also her claim that the covid vaccine is not actually a vaccine is completely false. The problem is that sheâs spreading misinformation or disinformation like the false claim that a woman was trampled by a horse and killed. Where did she say that? I don't think she did. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2022 21:38:01 GMT
Every time some random individual says they went down there for themselves and âsaw what was happening,â I think of this cartoon. I was told in the Trump supporters blocking voters thread that unless I've been to the location myself I couldn't possibly have an opinion. Despite the pictures "you" provided as proof not showing what you claimed and the police on the scene saying it wasn't happening. The claim was, I had to have been to the location to have THE correct opinion. Now people have been there and seen for themselves and it's still dismissed as not THE correct opinion because being there and seeing for yourself is NOW not proof enough. Are you at all comprehending what people are seeing you doing here? Going by what you've insisted on previously and now you flip flop on your standards when it suits your narrative. Iâm going to assume you understand the difference between proving that something IS happening by showing video evidence of it happening, and trying to prove something isnât happening by showing selective video of places where it isnât happening while ignoring those where it is. Iâm going to choose to believe you understand that, and youâre being argumentative for fun. The alternative is that youâre stupid. But Iâm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 20, 2022 21:41:34 GMT
It doesn't matter if it's left leaning or right leaning information. The point is that it's an illegal occupation of the downtown area of a city that's been allowed to go on for weeks. No one has the right to entirely block off a city. It's illegal even if the participants are nice. Roads are blocked, access is blocked, businesses are closed. People can't go to work because they can't drive their cars or take a bus to work. Fireworks and horns were going night and day. This is all illegal activity it doesn't matter which news slant you're watching. My BIL parks at a shopping mall on the outskirts of town and uses public transit to go to his office in the "red zone". He has no access to his office right now. They've been given an absurd amount of warning and notification. Time to move them out. Sorry but most of your post is completely false. I suggest you do some research before you spread falsehoods. It's very misleading. Until the Emergencies Act was enacted a few days ago this was a completely legal protest. The convoy had a deal worked out with the city as to where they wanted them to park and they followed the direction. The convoy left lanes open for emergency vehicles to pass through. Businesses were closed because they chose to close, not because they were forced to. The businesses that were open reaped the rewards. People could definitely drive their cars. I drove down there for dentist appointments and to go to the protest multiple times. People were honking their horns but a judge decreed that the protesters were not to honk them at night and they stopped accordingly. People can't go to work because they can't drive their cars or take a bus to work.
My BIL parks at a shopping mall on the outskirts of town and uses public transit to go to his office in the "red zone". You contradicted yourself in your own statement. LOL. So busy spinning tales that you didn't even notice. I'm quite familiar with the laws here and the Centretown area of Ottawa. It's not a protest, it's an illegal occupation you can spin it anyway you like. Everything about it was illegal. You cherry picked my words to fit your agenda. I clearly stated that my BIL has no access to his office at this point. Thanks for coming out. |
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