huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 18:31:08 GMT
I am a middle school teacher. I had some candy sitting on my desk. I went to the restroom between classes. I got back after my next students were already in the room. Next to my desk was an empty candy wrapper. I made the comment: if you are going to take candy off my desk and eat it, at least get the wrapper in the trash. One young man immediately spoke up and said it was his wrapper, but he had brought the candy from home and just didn't get the wrapper in the trash. He proceeded to try and get a girl to back up his story that it came from his backpack. She declined. He told me he had a big bag of the candy and home and brought it to school. I said let's check your backpack to see if you have any in there. He immediately said that he had only brought 2 to school. He ate one in home room and one in my class.
Later the girl told me that she saw him take the candy and put another in his pocket. The candy isn't the important issue.
I emailed his parents and let them know that he had taken candy and then lied about it. I didn't use the words. I just reported the incident in the same manner as I did here.
As a parent, what would your response be?
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 24, 2022 18:35:24 GMT
I would respond that I was very sorry he lied to you and would be dealt with at home. Lying, especially to a teacher, is a big one in my book.
I do have to ask, since I'm not a teacher, do you not lock the door to your classroom when you take a break? When I was in school, in the dark ages, we weren't allowed to enter a classroom unless the teacher was present.
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Post by Merge on Mar 24, 2022 18:36:51 GMT
I would have sent my child with replacement candy and a letter of apology the next day. But I'm betting that's not the response you got. Honestly, during my one harrowing year in middle school, I learned that emailing parents over any behavior short of violence was an exercise in frustration. I had lots of stuff stolen, including candy. Parents were largely indifferent and sometimes hostile. I learned why no other teacher had anything nice in their classroom except under lock and key. And I skedaddled back to elementary school the next year. I hope it all works out in a positive way for you.
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Post by leannec on Mar 24, 2022 18:44:12 GMT
I teach grade 7 and I never leave my room with students alone ... ever. Stuff always happens ... something negative ... stealing ... fighting ... just general jacking around ... it sucks Your email will get read but nothing will be solved
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 24, 2022 18:56:40 GMT
I would have my child write a letter and say sorry.. Probably have her bring some candy to school.
I'm not questioning why the reasons kids were in your classroom and all that.. stuff happens. I would leave a classroom of kids if I had an emergency bathroom issue. I think at our school we have extra paras that can step in.. if the fact if there are any available..lol
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 18:57:10 GMT
I would respond that I was very sorry he lied to you and would be dealt with at home. Lying, especially to a teacher, is a big one in my book. I do have to ask, since I'm not a teacher, do you not lock the door to your classroom when you take a break? When I was in school, in the dark ages, we weren't allowed to enter a classroom unless the teacher was present. I lock my door if I am going to be gone for any amount of time. I teach at suburban school where we don't have a lot of issues. I usually leave my door unlocked because I might be gone for a minute by the time the kids come in from passing periods. (There are some classes I would never leave unsupervised. This was a small group of 6th graders.) The kicker is the mom is the PR person for my school district.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 24, 2022 19:03:46 GMT
I would have just apologized. I assume the mom is denying her kid did anything.
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Post by shamrock on Mar 24, 2022 19:06:42 GMT
I know how *I* would respond and I know what response I expect you’d get from a lot of parents. They are not the same.
I’d respond with how I’d talk to my child about it at home. My child would apologize the next day, probably with a replacement candy bar if we had time to grab one.
I expect you wouldn’t get that reply from a lot of parents. I expect you wouldn’t even get a reply from some.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 19:09:38 GMT
When I first read this I thought you were overreacting, now I'm not so sure.
Was the candy sitting there YOUR candy that you intended to consume? Or a bowl of candy that you let students also enjoy?
If the first, he was wrong and needs to apologize and the parents should talk to him about this.
If the latter, then while the kid shouldn't have lied, perhaps he was embarrassed about being called out with missing the trash and for some reason tried to lie and flub his way out if. And an overreaction on your part.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 24, 2022 19:16:55 GMT
I’ll add though if I were the mom and knew we had a bag of the same candy at home (which seems like a super odd coincidence) I’d probably defend him.
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Post by bethany102399 on Mar 24, 2022 19:17:28 GMT
As a middle school mom I want to apologize for all the asshat parents who won't respond.
I'd be having a conversation with my kid about lying and send him back with replacement candy and an apology. it's not the candy, it's the lying to a teacher- that's a big no in my book.
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Post by chitchatgirl on Mar 24, 2022 19:17:40 GMT
I'm sort of on the fence about this depending on whose shoes I picture myself in. Full disclosure, I'm neither a parent or a teacher. If I was the parent I would have said thank you for letting me know and deal with it at home. I'm 100% on board with backing up the teacher. And I like the idea someone else posted of writing an apology to the teacher. However, if I picture myself as the teacher I'm not entirely sure I would have emailed the parents because of a piece of candy. Was it wrong to steal? Yes. And he shouldn't have lied but I can't help but think, kids have terrible decision making skills while their brains are forming and this wouldn't be a battle I would have picked. Shoot for all we know, he may have a terrible home life.
You didn't really specify, but in my mind we are talking a fun size piece of candy from a bowl. I feel like calling it out was enough. If this was an ongoing issue, I might feel different.
From your post though, it sounds like you got an earful from the parent.
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Post by pilcas on Mar 24, 2022 19:22:11 GMT
To be honest, I feel you made too much of the incident. The first thing you said was perfect, you made your point nothing else needed.if he had opened a drawer that might make me feel different. He might have assumed it was ok to take one. If I go into a store and there is a little bowl of candy I would assume it was for customers to take one.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 24, 2022 19:30:00 GMT
Ive read through this a couple of times and if I had received your email, I would have made sure my child apologized and replaced the candy.
However, I think this is something that should have had in-school consequences and the email to the parents was probably overkill. It seems like something a teacher should be able to handle on their own.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 24, 2022 19:55:58 GMT
The kicker is the mom is the PR person for my school district. In that case, shame on her if she doesn't respond to the email.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 24, 2022 19:58:02 GMT
Another response from me if I was the teacher.. I would have picked up the wrapper and held it up for all to see and say "REALLY?" and you can't even make it to the trash can? Then something like 'don't take things that don't belong to you'.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 24, 2022 20:01:54 GMT
To be honest, I feel you made too much of the incident. The first thing you said was perfect, you made your point nothing else needed.if he had opened a drawer that might make me feel different. He might have assumed it was ok to take one. If I go into a store and there is a little bowl of candy I would assume it was for customers to take one. As a teacher myself, this is what I would have done. You didn’t see it happen, so it becomes impossible to conclude. The student will continue to deny, even to parents, so there is no solution here. These days parents want their kids to be their friends, so they don’t often respond as one might hope a parent would.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 20:03:09 GMT
Ive read through this a couple of times and if I had received your email, I would have made sure my child apologized and replaced the candy. However, I think this is something that should have had in-school consequences and the email to the parents was probably overkill. It seems like something a teacher should be able to handle on their own. I think parents need to know that he lied. And escalated the lie. I didn't care about the candy. I cared that a child took something from my desk without permission and lied about it. The lie is the issue. Had he owned up to taking it, I would have let the issue go with a chat. He never took responsibility. We do teach responsibility and citizenship at school. I think taking responsibility for actions is a very important lesson. The resolution was this: the student brought me 3 bags of candy. No apology or anything. I said I don't want the candy. He said his dad told him to give it to me. I talked to him about the incident and asked him what he should have done. He said not take the candy. And then I asked him what he should have done after he took the candy. He said he should have owned up to it. Later in the day I got a one line email from mom saying that they sent the student with candy to give to me and wanted to make sure I got it. My thought is that they didn't think stealing and lying is an issue. I am deeply bothered by that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 20:06:54 GMT
As a parent my response to you would be, "I am so sorry my child did that. I will have a talk with child. Thank you for letting me know." Then after talking to my child I would have them write you an apology letter AND send them with a big bag of candy as a replacement. And I would have child do appropriate chores in order to pay for the candy. I do not tolerate lying. Especially to a teacher.
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Post by disneypal on Mar 24, 2022 20:08:18 GMT
As a parent, what would your response be? I would say "Thank you for letting us know, we will discuss with him"
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 24, 2022 20:11:21 GMT
I was going to reply that I think how you handled it was what I would've done. As a parent, I would want that e-mail. It is disappointing to hear how parents are handling e-mails from teachers, but I am not surprised. Even in volunteering at my child's elementary school for years, the things the teachers would tell me were shocking.
I also caught your reply about how the parents (and student) handled it after your e-mail and it's still disappointing. I am so sorry. People suck.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Mar 24, 2022 20:11:59 GMT
I think there are two issues here - the lies he told and the fact he took something off your desk that did not belong to him nor did he have permission (theft). I would have thought he'd have gotten some kind of punishment from the school like detention.
If he had been my kid, he would for sure be writing an apology and replacing the candy. I hope the parent(s) explained to him how disappointed and embarrassed they are of his behavior.
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Post by sunnyd on Mar 24, 2022 20:12:00 GMT
I'm so grateful for teachers! I do not know how you do it!! Are you allowed to search a kid's backpack? I have no idea. If I were the parent, I would likely wait to respond to the email until I had a chance to talk to my kid about it. That talk would have happened asap after school. I would respond with an apology even if my kid denied it.
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 24, 2022 20:12:01 GMT
Being given 3 big bags of candy would really annoy me.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 20:25:06 GMT
To be honest, I feel you made too much of the incident. The first thing you said was perfect, you made your point nothing else needed.if he had opened a drawer that might make me feel different. He might have assumed it was ok to take one. If I go into a store and there is a little bowl of candy I would assume it was for customers to take one. I don't keep a bowl of candy on my desk. I have a container that I take out when I am giving candy. I just had sorted it and left some of the candy on my desk. It didn't make it back in the container. The students have been in my class long enough that they know how candy works in the class.
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 20:26:11 GMT
As a parent, what would your response be? I would say "Thank you for letting us know, we will discuss with him" And that is perfect.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 20:27:00 GMT
Being given 3 big bags of candy would really annoy me. Yep.
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Post by huskergal on Mar 24, 2022 20:28:30 GMT
I'm so grateful for teachers! I do not know how you do it!! Are you allowed to search a kid's backpack? I have no idea. If I were the parent, I would likely wait to respond to the email until I had a chance to talk to my kid about it. That talk would have happened asap after school. I would respond with an apology even if my kid denied it. The response came today. Mom wanted to make sure her son brought the candy.
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Post by Lexica on Mar 24, 2022 20:31:41 GMT
For me personally, lying is the worst infraction my son could ever commit. He knew that too since I started educating him on this from a very young age. I didn't explain the reasons why I had such a strong policy on lies, he just knew that I would work with him through just about anything except for lying. He learned to come to me and tell me the truth at a very young age. He was always hugged and commended for doing so. Then sure we would talk about what happened but there wasn't really a punishment as long as he told me the truth. It was usually something that occurred by accident such as him breaking something by being careless. He knew he needed to come tell me before I found the item and had to ask him about it.
Lying to his teacher? And after stealing something? I would have had him write an apology letter and since he felt okay lying to you in front of the class, I would request for him to read the apology letter to you while standing in front of that same class. I wouldn't want other kids watching to think he got away with it. He would also have to do extra chores or take money from his savings to pay for replacement candy. Then he and I would have to have a talk. I'm sure the talk would be the most painful thing for him. I was a very understanding mother for most things. Heck I was a kid once too. But telling a lie and stealing are both things that you have the time to think about and correct yourself before committing. I absolutely HATE lying.
I truly hope this kid is made to write a follow-up letter to you or even better, feels the need to apologize on his own. It was never about the candy!
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Post by Kerri W on Mar 24, 2022 20:35:57 GMT
My thought is that they didn't think stealing and lying is an issue. I am deeply bothered by that. But you don't have any idea what the conversation was at home. I agree with you, lying is the issue. As a parent, I would be mortified if my child had not apologized. I *also* think you don't know what the conversation was so there's really nowhere to go from here. I would drop it.
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