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Post by monklady123 on Apr 19, 2022 11:57:49 GMT
The thing that annoys the heck out of me about these people who want to ban books -- well okay, *one* of the things -- is that they often seem to be confusing "inappropriate" and "let's ban that book for everyone". Of course there are books that are inappropriate for certain ages... I'd never say that Ken Follett's "Pillars of the Earth" was appropriate to have on the shelf in an elementary school library. But for SENIORS in high school? The group here who wanted to ban that one for seniors objected to the rape scenes. No, I don't want my elementary school kid to read about rape, and honestly I'd hope they don't even know what it is yet... But seniors in high school? Not only do they know what it is, but sadly some of them may have experienced it themselves. I have always trusted our school librarians to know what books should be in the school library, especially elementary school. But of course these book banners don't trust schools anyway...I mean, look at all this "he's teaching CRT" nonsense, and my own state's tip line to report teachers (Virginia).
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 19, 2022 14:34:37 GMT
I feel like how people in Afghanistan must have felt before the Taliban took over. It's scary. You think it can't happen - and then it does. After binge watching all of his Ozark, Yellowstone and NCIS series episodes for the second time, DH was looking for something else to watch. I suggested he watch The Handmaid’s Tale on Hulu since he hadn’t ever watched any of it. I only got through about half of the second season before school closed down and DD was home with me all day, every day for over a year running, and I didn’t feel comfortable having that on while she was home during the day. (I’d watch a couple episodes here and there while folding laundry or doing some other mundane household chore while she was at school.) He just finished season one last night. Anyway, the reason why I bring it up in this thread is because in some of the scenes, DH would just roll his eyes and say, “That would never happen here.” To which I just looked at him and said, “What are you talking about? It is ALREADY on the way to happening here in some of the southern states! All you have to do is look at the anti LGBTQIA+ legislation that has ALREADY PASSED in several states. Look at all of the anti abortion legislation that has ALREADY PASSED in several states. Roe v Wade is in the crosshairs at the Supreme Court this year. Books are being banned all across the country. Fox spouts Russian propaganda daily. This is how it starts! They are going to come after birth control, gay marriages and mixed race marriages next if they get the chance. This is exactly the kind of society they are striving for.” I’m especially interested in seeing his reaction to what comes up in season two, where more of Serena Joy’s back story is revealed to show how some of the evangelical women helped bring about their own repression. That too is happening right here in this country, right freaking NOW. He tries so very hard to bury his head in the sand and not think about all this stuff because he’s a fairly well off straight white older male who those policies will never directly affect. But I can’t help but worry about all of it for our DD and her peers in her generation. That is not the world I want them to live in so I pay attention and vote accordingly. I’m so glad we live where we do in a mostly blue state, but the stuff that is happening elsewhere is a cancer that seems to be spreading, and it will continue to do so if people choose to not educate themselves on how this happens.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 19, 2022 18:06:14 GMT
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Post by casii on Apr 19, 2022 20:15:50 GMT
I feel like how people in Afghanistan must have felt before the Taliban took over. It's scary. You think it can't happen - and then it does. After binge watching all of his Ozark, Yellowstone and NCIS series episodes for the second time, DH was looking for something else to watch. I suggested he watch The Handmaid’s Tale on Hulu since he hadn’t ever watched any of it. I only got through about half of the second season before school closed down and DD was home with me all day, every day for over a year running, and I didn’t feel comfortable having that on while she was home during the day. (I’d watch a couple episodes here and there while folding laundry or doing some other mundane household chore while she was at school.) He just finished season one last night. Anyway, the reason why I bring it up in this thread is because in some of the scenes, DH would just roll his eyes and say, “That would never happen here.” To which I just looked at him and said, “What are you talking about? It is ALREADY on the way to happening here in some of the southern states! All you have to do is look at the anti LGBTQIA+ legislation that has ALREADY PASSED in several states. Look at all of the anti abortion legislation that has ALREADY PASSED in several states. Roe v Wade is in the crosshairs at the Supreme Court this year. Books are being banned all across the country. Fox spouts Russian propaganda daily. This is how it starts! They are going to come after birth control, gay marriages and mixed race marriages next if they get the chance. This is exactly the kind of society they are striving for.” I’m especially interested in seeing his reaction to what comes up in season two, where more of Serena Joy’s back story is revealed to show how some of the evangelical women helped bring about their own repression. That too is happening right here in this country, right freaking NOW. He tries so very hard to bury his head in the sand and not think about all this stuff because he’s a fairly well off straight white older male who those policies will never directly affect. But I can’t help but worry about all of it for our DD and her peers in her generation. That is not the world I want them to live in so I pay attention and vote accordingly. I’m so glad we live where we do in a mostly blue state, but the stuff that is happening elsewhere is a cancer that seems to be spreading, and it will continue to do so if people choose to not educate themselves on how this happens.
The bolded feels very much like DH and I. He hates to feel uncomfortable and hates conflict, so he often plays ostrich on these issues. It's maddening.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 22, 2022 11:28:01 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 24, 2022 17:22:07 GMT
Great editorial on the effort to ban books. It's not about protecting children. The targeted books are about black and LGBTQ people. Conservative efforts are a thinly veiled racist, homophobic effort to marginalize those communities. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/23/banning-books-isnt-protecting-americas-youths/The United States was founded on the principle of freedom of expression. We might not always like what our neighbors and fellow citizens have to say, but watching the severe restriction of news and information flow in Russia is the latest reminder of how quickly censorship can turn into something truly sinister. Librarian and editor Mary Jo Godwin once said that a truly great library contains something to offend everyone. But the reverse is also true: Great libraries have materials on their shelves (or in their e-circulation platforms) to support everyone trying to educate themselves, from home-schooling Christians to LGBTQ youths.
Purging libraries of books without a proper process and input from librarians, teachers and a range of community members is wrong. And it won’t be long before this latest book-ban push will likely prove to be counterproductive. Consider how the Confederacy banned books such as Harriet Beecher Stowe’s “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” for portraying slavery in a negative way. Or recall that in the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was outcry that the Harry Potter books were dangerous for children. The series went on to sell half a billion books worldwide and inspire a love of reading among many young people. These latest book bans are not about protecting youths. Librarians and concerned citizens are right to fight them.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 24, 2022 17:26:41 GMT
Great perspective including past efforts to ban books and judicial history. Gift article - no paywall wapo.st/38kTe4D
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 24, 2022 17:30:41 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 24, 2022 21:33:51 GMT
Too bad the parents don't realize their kids, at from middle school+, could teach them a thing or two!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 25, 2022 0:51:04 GMT
Here, finally... Florida atheist petitions to have Bible banned in Broward, Miami Dade County schools Meaghan Ellis, AlterNet April 24, 2022 *** Now, he's reportedly sending out petitions to Miami-Dade County Public Schools (MDCPS) and Broward County Public Schools (BCPS) demanding that the Christian bible be banned from schools' libraries and classrooms "citing its inclusion of inappropriate topics." *** In a letter sent to MDCPS Superintendent Jose Dotres on April 19, Stevens wrote. "I wish to file such an objection, requesting the Miami-Dade County Public School system immediately remove the Bible from the classroom, library, and any instructional material. And, as is often the case with banned books, I ask your agency lay flame to that giant stack of fiction in a pyre worthy of a Viking sendoff." Stevens also named a number of reasons why he wants the Bible banned including: "age inappropriateness, social-emotional learning, mentions of bestiality and rape, and "wokeness" as reasons to ban the Bible." With the constant babbling concerns about teaching Critical Race Theory, should we not take stock of the Bible’s position on slavery? I am concerned our young white students will read such passages and wake up to civilization’s sordid past," Stevens wrote following a biblical passage from the book of Ephesians that discusses slavery and being obedient to masters. www.rawstory.com/florida-book-ban/
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 26, 2022 12:11:54 GMT
Great perspective on just how far off track Republicans are. Kids are traumatized by gun violence, not by books about being black or LGBTQ. www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/25/book-banning-gun-violence/Banning books to save kids? Please. Bullets are more dangerousAs far as we know, neither a new addition to a beloved series on famous Americans titled “Who is Barack Obama?” nor “Muffin Wars,” a book about a kid detective, has harmed any children.Bullets, however, do measurable harm to kids. And while the pace of gun violence in and around schools is on the rise, one of the most aggressive and effective efforts, led largely by White conservatives, in shaping the American classroom right now is the banning of books. Our nation looks totally insane.But the scarring toll that something like this takes does more tangible damage than any book about a kid wondering if he is gay. The books that address sexual orientation, in a nation where same-sex marriage is the law of the land, are among the most targeted in this movement, which tried to link sexual and gender identity to pedophilia.American schools issued at least 1,310 book bans in the last five months of 2021, including “Who is Barack Obama?” and “Muffin Wars,” according to the Pen America index of school book bans.During that same period from August to December, roughly 28,170 children were inside a school when bullets were fired, according to The Washington Post database on school shootings.“The effects of gun violence ripple far beyond the child who was struck by a bullet,” Sarah Burd-Sharps, senior director of research at the advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, told WebMD last week. “Children might grieve their friends who are now lost or worry that they will be next.”
If reading about a historically accurate account of the horrors of slavery gave that Virginia boy nightmares, imagine what is going on with the kids who had to curl up under their desks while gunfire shattered windows and people screamed on Van Ness Street last week.
The alarming rise in book bans, allegedly in the name of protecting kids, is misplaced energy that ignores real trauma that is a daily part of life for American kids, whether they are hurt by a bullet, scarred by witnessing gun violence, or hiding in a supply closet with a teacher in a lockdown drill, preparing for something that our nation has allowed to become a regular part of life.And this is the most logical statement about parent involvement .
If parents want a say over what their kids read, they need to build relationships with their children that include discussions about what they are reading. Parental involvement is hard work. It is not done by censoring and limiting what everyone has access to.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 26, 2022 12:25:21 GMT
Would love to see this succeed. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/25/texas-residents-sue-county-removing-books-firing-librarian/Texas residents sue county for removing books, firing librarian The lawsuit, filed in federal court, alleges Llano County officials violated citizens’ First Amendment rights
Public libraries are not places of government indoctrination,” the lawsuit reads. “They are not places where the people in power can dictate what their citizens are permitted to read about and learn. When government actors target public library books because they disagree with and intend to suppress the ideas contained within them, it jeopardizes the freedoms of everyone.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 26, 2022 13:47:41 GMT
Oh because the leaders know better for all of us.. Really?!?! What happens to parent/people's choices?? Only the leaders get to choose?! Where's the famous 'freedom' they all seek?!? Oh wait.... WOMEN and children are not smart enough to chose!! aj2hall
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Post by fiddlesticks on Apr 26, 2022 18:56:57 GMT
Well, this list is super helpful! I homeschool my daughter (13) and am thinking of creating a banned book reading list for next year! That could be fun, read the book together and then examine the reasons it was challenged/banned.
It makes my brain and heart hurt to think of kids that won't have access to some of these books.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 29, 2022 18:30:42 GMT
Let us ban the books, but should we post porn? I'm not going to apologize.' Lakota school board member speaks after request for resignation Madeline Mitchell Cincinnati Enquirer Lakota Local Schools board member Darbi Boddy says she is "not going to apologize" after posting a typo on a Facebook post that led to a website containing pornographic content. "I’m not going to apologize for putting these sites up and I don’t regret putting them up," Boddy wrote on Facebook Thursday afternoon. "A light needs to be shined on this material. I urge the community to examine them and ask yourself if you want to know whether they are in your school or not." Boddy's original post accused the district of teaching inappropriate sexual content in its curriculum, which the district has said is untrue. The school board held an emergency meeting Wednesday afternoon at which it voted to censure Boddy and requested her resignation. Boddy walked out in the middle of the meeting with her young daughter. www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/04/28/darbi-boddy-statement-after-lakota-school-board-asks-her-resign/9574436002/
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 30, 2022 2:04:09 GMT
She accuses the school district of showing porn, posts the wrong website that ends up being porn. She refuses to apologize because there's porn on the correct site. All I see is sex ed and teaching inclusivity. Apparently, this is the CORRECT site www.scarleteen.com/You put an extra T in there and apparently it's porn. I'm not going to find out.
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Post by aj2hall on May 2, 2022 23:31:09 GMT
I had a conversation with the librarian for the k-5 school where I work. The district is fairly representative of the state, it's mostly purple, with some very outspoken conservatives. Anyway, I was a little surprised that she hasn't heard from parents. However, she has a standard letter prepared. Parents who have older siblings in the middle/high school have contacted the librarian there. Our librarian is waiting for the same parents to contact her. One book that she's worried about has 2 men kissing. Really great article about specific books and why they're banned. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/04/28/book-banned-why-locations/
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Post by aj2hall on May 9, 2022 13:34:28 GMT
The math books in Florida were rejected for lots of reasons, including climate change and social emotional learning. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/09/florida-banned-textbooks-math-desantis/“It is a math textbook,” one reviewer wrote. “I found no evidence of any instruction or indoctrination of social issues.”
But a few reviewers highlighted issues that seemed to conflict less with the law than with their personal beliefs, accusing the textbooks of bias for talking about climate change and vaccines. They said the authors violated guidelines when they wrote word problems using the topic of the gender pay gap. And the reviewers’ notions of what qualified as critical race theory were broad.
One flagged a statement as proscribed because it said, “The United States has eradicated neither poverty no [sic] racism.”
One reviewer cited a problem with “Thinking Mathematically” on the book’s first page.
“The author is biased when it comes to global warming and climate crisis,” the reviewer wrote. “He talks about a climate crisis as if it’s a proven fact.”
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Post by aj2hall on May 10, 2022 13:14:03 GMT
The next target for Republicans - restricting library searches www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/10/school-library-database-book-ban/ Republican lawmakers across the country are proposing legislation that would target online library databases and library management technology — tools built by a half-dozen large companies that catalogue millions of books, journals and articles that students peruse for assignments.
But educators and librarians say the new laws are unnecessary, as federal child protection and Internet privacy laws passed decades ago already require database companies to ensure that their materials are age-appropriate, which the companies have done mostly successfully for at least a quarter-century. Database company leaders said in statements and interviews that they are careful to provide only content that is meant for K-12 students.
Educators worry that the real purpose of the laws — especially those forbidding content “harmful to minors” — is to justify blocking articles and books that parents dislike.
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Post by aj2hall on May 10, 2022 13:17:02 GMT
On a positive note, this gives me a little hope that students are fighting back. But, students shouldn't have to fight for access to books. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/03/teens-books-ban-clubs-protest/In Missouri, two students filed a lawsuit against their district for yanking eight books from school libraries. In New York, a group of students from the Brooklyn Public Library’s Intellectual Freedom Teen Council are meeting weekly on Zoom to coordinate national resistance to school book censorship. And in Pennsylvania, students held daily protests outside their high school this fall until administrators reversed their decision to ban more than 300 books, films and articles, the majority by Black and Latino authors.
“I didn’t want little kids growing up in the district to feel as if African Americans don’t matter because our books are not on the shelves,” said 17-year-old Christina Ellis, who is Black and helped lead the Pennsylvania demonstrations. “There’s no room to grow if you dismiss our history.”
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Post by OntarioScrapper on May 10, 2022 17:06:46 GMT
My nephew was not allowed to read Harry Potter books. He kept them in his locker. We took him to see one of the movies when we found out. This is a kid (now age 26) who has dyslexia. Which his mother ignored for such a LOOONG time. She told me he was diagnosed in kindergarten. I have dyslexia and repeated grade 1. She wanted to ask if that ruined my education by repeating a grade. I say No. I got a different teacher and because of her I became a reader! If I was not in her class for my repeated grade, things would've turned out way different. My sister decided my answer was NOT what she wanted. She moved when my nephew was going into grade 4. He got a teacher who would not let this go and he finally got help but you really have to get the kids young when they have a disability like that! So yes, I let that kid read whatever he wanted from our books when he was over. Watched Harry Potter books AND played Harry Potter video games.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2022 0:51:41 GMT
What is wrong with the publishing world . Giving a GQP recognition while he agrees with banning book?!?!? Companies that published '1619 Project' joins in award for Republican who tried to get it removed from schoolsSarah K. Burris May 10, 2022 Publishing houses are coming under fire after a group of them named Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) as a "distinguished public servant" in an event where they warned there is a war against books. The American Association of Publishers is a board of publishers like the Hachette Book Group, W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., John Wiley and Sons, Books, Tayor and Francis Group, the Disney Publishing Group, Scholastic, Pearson, Teacher Created Materials Inc, Penguin Random House, Princeton University Press, Simon and Schuster, University of Chicago Press, Chronicle Books, HarperCollins Publishers, the American Psychological Association, and McGraw Hill. Some of the publishers on the list have authors whose books made it to the American Library Association's list of "book titles that were banned, challenged, or restricted." Yet, Sen. Tillis is among those leaders who fought for that same philosophy.Scholastic is well-known as a children's book leader, but it joined with Random House (also on the list) in the production of the "1619 Project," which Tillis has targeted. "Random House Children’s Books announced plans to publish four 1619 Project books for young readers—one young adult, one middle-grade, and two picture books. Upfront, a newsletter that the New York Times produces for schools with the publisher Scholastic, used the 1619 label on an article about 1960s student activism for civil rights and desegregation, linking that to 'the Climate March to demand action on global warming, and March for Our Lives to call for an end to gun violence" reported Education Next in their Spring 2022 issue. According to Sen. Tillis, The New York Time Magazine’s "1619 Project" and critical race theory have no place in America’s classrooms. “This is why I have significant concerns with the Department of Education’s recent effort to reorient the bipartisan American History and Civics Education programs away from their intended purposes toward a politicized and divisive agenda. These proposed changes include implementing new federal grant priority for projects using The New York Time Magazine’s '1619 Project' and Critical Race Theory (CRT).” He introduced a bill that would slash any federal funding to programs using the "1619 Project," then the publishers of the project gave him an award.www.rawstory.com/thom-tillis-award-publishers-1619/
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 23, 2022 20:52:09 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 23, 2022 21:11:50 GMT
I've only gotten to the letter B, and this list is just appalling in how many there are. Someone needs to tell me what would be objectionable about this: Nothing Stopped Sophie: The Story of Unshakable Mathematician Sophie Germain. It's a picture book about the TRUE story of 18th century mathematician Sophie Germain. I guess we can't have girls learning they can do math, after all!!!
or the series Ruby and the Booker Boys, which (from the Amazon blurb) sounds an awful lot like Ramona and Beezus, except for the family is black-- ?!? (except it was written by a person who won the Newberry Honor and the Coretta Scott King honor-- we can't have kids asking questions about who she is, after all...)
We are soooo doomed in this country.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 23, 2022 21:43:09 GMT
I think some on the list are there simply because the authors are minorities or LGBTQ.
Kind of like Florida banning math textbooks - when you ask why and want specifics, they can't really tell you.
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Post by dawnnikol on Sept 23, 2022 22:41:04 GMT
Pre-ordered this lovely shirt today after seeing LeVar Burton post about it: Good stuff.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 24, 2022 3:27:38 GMT
Pre-ordered this lovely shirt today after seeing LeVar Burton post about it: Good stuff. Love this! And if anyone hasn't seen the segment he did on the Daily show, it's short and definitely worth watching. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QQU_2f_HoA
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Post by RosieKat on Apr 6, 2023 16:30:09 GMT
Is it the "come and take it" one? I have the t-shirt.
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Post by katlady on Apr 6, 2023 16:53:50 GMT
This site lists 175 books that were banned in one county in Florida. Reading the titles, they all seem to be about with minorities. pen.org/banned-books-florida/I looked for this list because of one book I heard that was banned. It is about life in an internment camp during WWII. I guess actual history is not allowed in schools. Barbed Wire Baseball: How One Man Brought Hope to the Japanese Internment Camps of WWII, by Marissa Moss and Yuko Marissa Shimizu
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