dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 5, 2023 14:22:25 GMT
Latest Book Targets (in Florida) In case you'd like to skip reading the article, some of the newest reading material not allowed in Orange County, FL: "Madame Bovary", "Paradise Lost", "The Fault in Our Stars", "Into the Wild"... The OCPS is being vigilant about pulling books over summer out of fear of the new law. Book Bans have been reported in at least 32 states.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 5, 2023 14:29:04 GMT
Latest Book Targets (in Florida) In case you'd like to skip reading the article, some of the newest reading material not allowed in Orange County, FL: "Madame Bovary", "Paradise Lost", "The Fault in Our Stars", "Into the Wild"... The OCPS is being vigilant about pulling books over summer out of fear of the new law. Book Bans have been reported in at least 32 states. So disappointed to see this. But, according to DeSantis and at least one conservative on this board, books are not being banned. Just about the most disingenuous statement. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 5, 2023 15:06:57 GMT
So disappointed to see this. But, according to DeSantis and at least one conservative on this board, books are not being banned. Just about the most disingenuous statement. Well, we already know he's a liar. The 'Moms for L*berty' have been a big help to spread this hatred. |
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 5, 2023 18:16:52 GMT
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 7, 2023 17:11:51 GMT
FFS.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 7, 2023 17:22:37 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 8, 2023 16:21:22 GMT
Really great post on the Moms of Liberty who are behind a lot of the book bans. Another case of the loud minority forcing their will on others. Not surprisingly, most Americans are opposed to book bans. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-7-2023 |
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 12, 2023 10:41:59 GMT
The city commission wants to get rid of the library because of LGBTQIA+ books. Why are people so hateful?
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Post by casii on Jul 12, 2023 17:33:11 GMT
Costco enabled my book buying addiction & always buying stuff for the grandkids by having a set of 6 hardback children's picture books yesterday. At $15, can't beat that price, so pick some up if you have baby showers coming up or littles to buy for.
Kicker? One of the books is "And Tango Makes Three" which is on several banned lists. It's an adorable, true story and haters can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 13, 2023 17:53:07 GMT
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Post by elaine on Jul 13, 2023 18:04:46 GMT
I do find the humor in that their objections 25% of the time were because the book was “graphic.” You know, who in their right mind would draw and write a “graphic” PICTURE BOOK! I preferred to have my kids read picture books with no graphics/pictures. 🤪 |
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 17, 2023 22:52:36 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 18, 2023 1:01:08 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 18, 2023 1:03:16 GMT
Sorry, I keep removing the old thread label but it keeps popping back up.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 18, 2023 9:57:13 GMT
Sorry, I keep removing the old thread label but it keeps popping back up. I keep doing the same, but somebody is clearly trolling. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jul 21, 2023 3:13:57 GMT
Sorry, I keep removing the old thread label but it keeps popping back up. I keep doing the same, but somebody is clearly trolling. I think it is our resident troll morecowbell. She has been relatively quiet but she started an innocuous thread today and suddenly ‘’old thread” is on all the political threads. |
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Post by paulao on Jul 21, 2023 14:35:55 GMT
I’ve lived in Illinois all my life and always figured I’d leave once I retired. Our governor J.B. Pritzker recently signed a ban on banned books. No state money for an institution that bans books. He also banned declawing of cats. I’ll be staying.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 21, 2023 19:24:04 GMT
I think it is our resident troll morecowbell. She has been relatively quiet but she started an innocuous thread today and suddenly ‘’old thread” is on all the political threads. I don't know who it is but it's rather annoying, especially considering the content of this thread. I just had to remove it again before I posted this. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 21, 2023 19:51:05 GMT
Unsurprisingly, there are some groups making up stories to suit their narrative and making schools and teachers the bad guys.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 22, 2023 20:00:50 GMT
Also, to the label changer, I will not stop posting on this thread until the book bans stop, so hope you're in for a long ride.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 23, 2023 2:49:45 GMT
Given the number of times I've removed the label old thread in the last few days, I think it's someone just trying to agitate, annoy, stir the pot etc. My suspicions are on morecowbell, too, because of her style and politics.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 23, 2023 2:52:26 GMT
Some great perspectives on banned books www.npr.org/series/1142706201/banned-and-challenged-restricting-access-to-books-in-u-s-librariesThis is an older article from 2021, but still relevant www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1058107484/banned-books-list-talk-to-kidsThe three talk about why it's important for kids to discover books freely, even if that means starting a hard conversation with them. They also discuss their favorite — and least favorite — books that often show up on banned book lists.
And this is an excellent point about teenagers. Also to morecowbell and others who disingenuously suggest books are not being banned because you can still buy them on Amazon, what about the children and families that don't have the resources to buy books? www.npr.org/2023/05/13/1175964336/opinion-books-are-not-landminesThe books that get singled out often feature main characters who are LGBTQIA, or people of color. Many address racism, child abuse, sex, suicide, and other topics that young people may want help understanding.
Some of the most-pulled titles include Gender Queer: A Memoir by Maia Kobabe; The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas; Looking For Alaska by John Green; and The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison.
I wonder if those who want to keep certain books out of school libraries have thought through how many teens and adolescents react when they're told not to read something: they do it anyway. And avidly. They wonder — I certainly did — what are adults trying to keep from me?
But Laurie Halse Anderson, the acclaimed writer of young adult novels, cautions me. Her much-honored novel, Speak, narrated by a teenage rape survivor, has been pulled from quite a few library shelves, too.
"Even if bans or challenges make a book more intriguing," Laurie reminded us, "many of our nation's children will not be able to access books that are removed. Millions of our families can't afford to buy books. Countless families live in library deserts — areas without a reachable public library. And libraries across the country are struggling with horrifying budget cuts."
Libraries are meant to be places where you can wander, browse, try on thoughts, read, reject, rejoice, or simply brood about the world. Books shouldn't be treated like land mines that have to be removed before they can light up our minds. |
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Post by luckyjune on Jul 23, 2023 16:46:07 GMT
Honestly I do not personally love “parents should control what their kids read” either. That seems really, well, controlling. How little confidence must you have in your own family values and perspectives that you think reading a book will somehow corrupt your child? A former student of mine was from a prominent religious family. She was forbidden to read Harry Potter books and she wanted nothing more than to read the entire series. She asked if I had a copy of the last book and I didn't. She said she couldn't find it anywhere and there was a waiting list at our school library. I mentioned the public library or Amazon as a possibility and she said, "But then my parents would know!" Turns out she got through the series by checking the books out at school and keeping them there. She also had a friend who had copies, so when she went to overnights at her house, she spent the time reading. Kids will find a way. |
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 24, 2023 1:42:10 GMT
Censorship sucks.
Is it censorship or age restrictions that is happening?
I don't think anyone here agrees with censorship (I haven't read the entire thread) but don't most people agree with age restrictions?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2023 1:48:08 GMT
No, these are book bans, not age restrictions. Books are being removed from libraries. In Florida, all it takes is for 1 parent to object to a book and the book will be removed.
Parents can choose what books they want their children to read, but they don't or shouldn't have the right to make that decision for other people's children.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 24, 2023 1:50:50 GMT
And, there are lots of reports from teachers saying that they took most, if not all, books from their classrooms because it was either too cumbersome to scan all of them into a “system” for someone to approve, or they didn’t want to take the chance that they could get in trouble if a parent complained. As with anti-abortion laws, there are a lot of unintended consequences to this.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2023 3:40:11 GMT
The book bans are intentionally vague, to scare teachers and librarians. Moms of Liberty is behind most of the book bans. Moms of Liberty started by attacking critical race theory, a manufactured crisis by Christopher Rufo. Now they've moved onto books in schools, another manufactured crisis. One more way to destroy public schools. You only have to look as far as Florida to see the next targets. DeSantis' latest "accomplishment" is a social studies curriculum that defends slavery and suggests people benefitted from slavery. I imagine it won't be long before Moms of Liberty targets books that portray the racism, horrors and atrocities of slavery. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-7-2023Moms for Liberty have pushed for banning books that refer to any aspect of modern democracy they find objectionable, focusing primarily on those with LGBTQ+ content or embrace of minority rights. During the first half of the 2022–2023 school year, PEN America, which advocates for literature, found that 874 unique titles had been challenged, up 28% from the previous six months. The bans were mostly in Texas, Florida, Missouri, Utah, and South Carolina. A study by the Washington Post found that two thirds of book challenges came from individuals who filed 10 or more complaints, with the filers often affiliated with Moms for Liberty or similar groups. And in their quest to make education align with their ideology, the Moms for Liberty have joined forces with far-right extremist groups, including the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, sovereign citizens groups, and so on, pushing them even further to the right.
Although the Southern Poverty Law Center labeled Moms for Liberty an “extremist group” that spreads “messages of anti-inclusion and hate,” the group appeared to offer to the Republican Party inroads into the all-important “suburban woman” vote, which party leaders interpret as white women (although in fact the 2020 census shows that suburbs are increasingly diverse—in 1990, about 20% of people living in the suburbs were people of color; in 2020 it was 45%). |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 24, 2023 12:55:11 GMT
Censorship sucks. Is it censorship or age restrictions that is happening? I don't think anyone here agrees with censorship (I haven't read the entire thread) but don't most people agree with age restrictions? It is outright removal from school libraries, public libraries, and bookstores. As a parent of multiple children who read at different levels and different maturity levels, I trust our librarians to do their job in putting books in locations that are accessible to my children. It is then MY job to check what they're reading and ask questions. You (general 'you') should not get to remove these books because you don't like them or agree with what is in the books. I don't like Hitler, but I'm certainly not telling my library to remove his book from shelves. Yet, the reverse is happening across the US by people who don't like LGBTQIA+ or actual facts about history. |
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 24, 2023 13:24:48 GMT
Honestly I do not personally love “parents should control what their kids read” either. That seems really, well, controlling. How little confidence must you have in your own family values and perspectives that you think reading a book will somehow corrupt your child? A former student of mine was from a prominent religious family. She was forbidden to read Harry Potter books and she wanted nothing more than to read the entire series. She asked if I had a copy of the last book and I didn't. She said she couldn't find it anywhere and there was a waiting list at our school library. I mentioned the public library or Amazon as a possibility and she said, "But then my parents would know!" Turns out she got through the series by checking the books out at school and keeping them there. She also had a friend who had copies, so when she went to overnights at her house, she spent the time reading. Kids will find a way. I remember when my ds was in middle school there was a girl whose father was the pastor of one of those small really conservative non-denominational churches. She was forbidden to read Harry Potter. When ds told me that I said "that's too bad, I wonder if she could get them from the school library..." And ds said "oh don't worry Mom, the other girls are taking care of it." Turns out that a group of girls was bringing her one book at a time and she kept it in her locker. She'd read every chance she got while she was at school, then put the book back in her locker overnight. There was also one girl who she was allowed to visit, because that family was Christian, and she'd take the book there to read. Then that girl would keep it and bring it back to school the next day. Also, it was amusing because the father didn't seem to realize that "Christian" wasn't a one size fits all thing... He would no doubt be horrified by my particular church, lol. And the Christian friend came from a home that didn't ban Harry Potter because of witchcraft.  |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 25, 2023 17:32:03 GMT
Love this. 2 people checked out all of the pride books at a library in San Diego. They refused to return to books unless the library removed what they thought was inappropriate. The books included innocuous children's picture books about wearing an orange dress and a mermaid parade. Fortunately, their plan backfired. A local newspaper ran the story and $15,000 in donated LGBTQ books started pouring in. The city added another $30,000 grant to provide more LGBTQ books. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/story/2023-06-28/protestors-ruin-rancho-penasquitos-librarys-pride-exhibit-by-checking-out-nearly-all-the-bookswww.nytimes.com/2023/07/22/us/pride-books-library-protest.htmlAmong the books on the group’s target list are “Julián Is a Mermaid,” a picture book about a little boy whose grandmother takes him to a mermaid parade at Coney Island, and “Morris Micklewhite and the Tangerine Dress,” another picture book about a boy who loves using his imagination and wearing an orange dress to school. Both were checked out by the protesters in San Diego.
At the Rancho Peñasquitos Library, the Pride display has since been replenished. As for the books checked out last month?
They were recently returned.
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