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Post by sueg on Jun 11, 2022 9:22:08 GMT
A child saying “Shut up” would be considered much more rude in my mind. Yes, my grandson would definitely be told that you don't say that to an adult. I actually had just that conversation with my German 3rd graders in after school care. They are just starting to learn English, and like to try out their newfound skills on the English speaking carers. Recently, one kept saying 'shut up' to everyone in the class, and I had to explain to him that it was NOT polite in English. As a former teacher in Australia, I would NEVER have allowed a student to say shut up to me, or to another student, and I would NEVER have said it to a student.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 10:22:40 GMT
Yes, my grandson would definitely be told that you don't say that to an adult. I actually had just that conversation with my German 3rd graders in after school care. They are just starting to learn English, and like to try out their newfound skills on the English speaking carers. Recently, one kept saying 'shut up' to everyone in the class, and I had to explain to him that it was NOT polite in English. As a former teacher in Australia, I would NEVER have allowed a student to say shut up to me, or to another student, and I would NEVER have said it to a student. I agree. I think it's awfully rude to say it to anyone - adult to adult, adult to children, children to adult or children to children.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 11, 2022 12:53:47 GMT
Which one? There was quite a few Sorry! I deleted because (as always) I answered before going through the entire thread and found others had already mentioned the same basic thing that I said. But the hand over the mouth and the thumbing of the nose are things I just didn't see in my own kids, nor in any kids we spend a lot of time with. Now, a kid mouthing off and saying "Shut up!" or something rude like that? Yep, definitely seen/heard that. Pulling faces and hands over mouth are very typical 3 and some 4 year old behavior. I don't think thumbing noses is quite as common as it used to be in the US, but it was always a joking thing when I was little (I am 50). Saying "shut up" would be considered beyond rude from people I know with kids. If it is ever said in my classroom (and I have only heard it 2-3 times ever in class) it is like time freezes as every child drops what they are doing and looks aghast at the child who said it, then instant pandemonium as they all rush to tell the teachers that so and so said a baaaddd word. Typically the offending child then bursts into tears as they seemingly imagine being hauled off to jail by the police or having their parents appearing immediately at the door to take them home and never return. I have never heard a child in the wild say shut up to a grown up.
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Post by melanell on Jun 11, 2022 17:45:43 GMT
Sorry! I deleted because (as always) I answered before going through the entire thread and found others had already mentioned the same basic thing that I said. But the hand over the mouth and the thumbing of the nose are things I just didn't see in my own kids, nor in any kids we spend a lot of time with. Now, a kid mouthing off and saying "Shut up!" or something rude like that? Yep, definitely seen/heard that. The thumbing of the nose is pretty innocuously childish I would say. I thinking putting his hand over her mouth was just a 4 year old being very literal - “Don’t say it! I don’t want to hear you!” Oh sure, I agree. I wasn't judging at all, just noting differences. I just never see any kids thumbing their noses around here. They wait a bit and skip right to ruder things, I guess. And yes, I agree that saying "Shut Up!" is awful, but I still hear other kids say it all of the time. In fact, even my mom used to bemoan that she sent me off to kindergarten where I promptly learned to say "shut up!". I know it's something I taught my own kids wasn't allowed to be said to anyone of any age, and as an adult I felt bad for my mom sending a polite kid off to school and getting back one who learned things she wouldn't have wanted me to learn.
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Post by joelise on Jun 13, 2022 17:05:23 GMT
Slight change in subject. I’m so pleased that Andrew didn’t attend the Order of the Garter. Apparently Prince William said “it’s him or me!” . Well done, it’s William’s future that is being put in jeopardy because of Andrew’s actions! I don’t think we’ll be seeing much more of him in Royal public duties. Not sure how our Scottish peas feel about them suggesting he’s sent to Scotland! gillyp lesley @jockstrap Sorry if I’ve missed someone! I’ll be amazed if my tagging works!!!
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Post by lesley on Jun 13, 2022 20:26:56 GMT
Yeah, the monarchy isn’t particularly popular in Scotland anyway. Sending Andrew here in exile will only speed up its demise! And I think it’s Jockscrap joelise. 😄
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Post by gillyp on Jun 13, 2022 20:58:42 GMT
Yeah, the monarchy isn’t particularly popular in Scotland anyway. Sending Andrew here in exile will only speed up its demise! And I think it’s Jockscrap joelise. 😄 Well I love the monarchy and I know someone who follows them around the country when they are up here so that’s two of us. I will happily ignore Andrew if he turns up.
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Post by gar on Jun 13, 2022 21:06:00 GMT
As I’ve said recently before…couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Very glad his plan to sneak back in to public life wasn’t permitted.
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Post by joelise on Jun 14, 2022 8:57:07 GMT
Yeah, the monarchy isn’t particularly popular in Scotland anyway. Sending Andrew here in exile will only speed up its demise! And I think it’s Jockscrap joelise . 😄 Thanks. Tried to edit Jockstrap but it doesn’t seem to want to change!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 9:41:52 GMT
I think whoever arranges the Order of the Garter ceremonies need some lessons in reading the room. Andrew also needs to realize that the public are not as gullible as he thinks we are. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt and all are innocent until proven guilty as I have said many times on here. IF he wanted to prove that he was innocent of all the allegations made against him then IMO he should have insisted on that court case to finalize all the speculation rather than settle out of court leaving everything unanswered. I have no problem with him attending purely family occasions but the O of the G is a Monarchy occasion and I'm glad that both William & Charles made a stand on this. There's a big difference in being a member of the Royal FAMILY, something that is beyond ones control, to someone being part of the MONARCHY and all that it stands for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 9:43:41 GMT
Yeah, the monarchy isn’t particularly popular in Scotland anyway. Sending Andrew here in exile will only speed up its demise! And I think it’s Jockscrap joelise . 😄 Thanks. Tried to edit Jockstrap but it doesn’t seem to want to change! Because it's jocksCrap not jocksTrap
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Post by gar on Jun 14, 2022 11:57:02 GMT
Thanks. Tried to edit Jockstrap but it doesn’t seem to want to change! Because it's jocksCrap not jocksTrap Yes but it was ‘jockstrap’ that she was trying to edit, I think that’s what she means.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 14, 2022 12:35:38 GMT
Order of the Garter: the Queen has a massive blind spot when it comes to Andrew. I think he’s at Windsor daily doing his drip, drip water torture on her with constant picking at things he should be doing or should have reinstated. She won’t say no until Charles and William push back and she lets them be the bad guys with Andrew.
Move to Adelaide Cottage: I think they want all kids together in school, plus George is getting old enough for Eton, but I think they want him to be a day boarder until he’s older. They are not so far from the Middletons. I also think it puts William closer at hand to run interference on Andrew.
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Post by gar on Jun 14, 2022 12:46:57 GMT
Order of the Garter: the Queen has a massive blind spot when it comes to Andrew. I think he’s at Windsor daily doing his drip, drip water torture on her with constant picking at things he should be doing or should have reinstated. She won’t say no until Charles and William push back and she lets them be the bad guys with Andrew. Move to Adelaide Cottage: I think they want all kids together in school, plus George is getting old enough for Eton, but I think they want him to be a day boarder until he’s older. They are not so far from the Middletons. I also think it puts William closer at hand to run interference on Andrew. I think Andrew will be very aware that when the Queen is no longer here, he won't have anyone in power in his corner, so to speak, so it's now or never in his eyes, to get himself re-integrated with the public. Don't hold your breath Sir. George won't go to Eton until he's 13, assuming he goes there, so I imagine there's many reasons why they're moving. Being out of centra London will be a pull I'm sure.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jun 14, 2022 13:14:20 GMT
First day of Royal Ascot today. Princess Anne, Princess Beatrice, Sophie Winkleman all looking lovely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 13:39:19 GMT
Move to Adelaide Cottage: I think they want all kids together in school, plus George is getting old enough for Eton, but I think they want him to be a day boarder until he’s older. They are not so far from the Middletons. I also think it puts William closer at hand to run interference on Andrew. Both Prince George and Princess Charlotte are at the same school now and I would assume that Louis would have joined them in September when he will be old enough to start school. Prince George has another 4 years before or even if he attends Eton. He's not nine until next month. They don't have day pupils at Eton. They are all 7 day a week boarders. I'm guessing if it is true and not just gossip that the reason would be to bring the children up in the country. Can't be much fun for children to live in the heart of London. I'm surprised that they would choose Adelaide Cottage though as it's rather small for a family with three children. It only has four bedrooms. No friends/family are ever going to be able to stay the night for whatever reason? What's going to happen when they have a late night engagement in London or they are away on official duties - where's the nanny going to sleep?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 14, 2022 17:07:21 GMT
Order of the Garter: the Queen has a massive blind spot when it comes to Andrew. I think he’s at Windsor daily doing his drip, drip water torture on her with constant picking at things he should be doing or should have reinstated. She won’t say no until Charles and William push back and she lets them be the bad guys with Andrew. Move to Adelaide Cottage: I think they want all kids together in school, plus George is getting old enough for Eton, but I think they want him to be a day boarder until he’s older. They are not so far from the Middletons. I also think it puts William closer at hand to run interference on Andrew. I think Andrew will be very aware that when the Queen is no longer here, he won't have anyone in power in his corner, so to speak, so it's now or never in his eyes, to get himself re-integrated with the public. Don't hold your breath Sir. George won't go to Eton until he's 13, assuming he goes there, so I imagine there's many reasons why they're moving. Being out of centra London will be a pull I'm sure. Can the Garter be stripped after awarded? I would love to see PA have that removed from him!
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Post by Jockscrap on Jun 14, 2022 18:46:09 GMT
Yeah, the monarchy isn’t particularly popular in Scotland anyway. Sending Andrew here in exile will only speed up its demise! And I think it’s Jockscrap joelise . 😄 Thanks. Tried to edit Jockstrap but it doesn’t seem to want to change! Lol - I’m here!! I laughed when I saw the suggestion Andrew might move to Scotland. We don’t want him here any more than anyone else does! I don’t think generally we are as keen on the Royal Family as south of the border but most folk were pretty happy to celebrate the jubilee and like the Queen as far as I can see. The region I live in also has Balmoral, their Scottish home, and folk from Ballater (the nearest village to Balmoral) love them but even those villagers might baulk at the idea of having Andrew full time on their midst.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 14, 2022 19:10:32 GMT
I am not sure exactly how anyone could have extracted their kids from this event, just get up and leave the royal box? Believe me, I am sure she was doing her best trapped in that seat! I whole heartedly agree about how it would have been tricky to leave. I had a toddler act up during an event once, and I was mortified and tried to take him out. What a huge mistake that was! Turns out no one else was noticing his behavior while it was happening, but I promise you he made damn sure that every single person in attendance knew that he was being removed. It was awful and I felt terrible for making such a poor parenting choice in that moment. The whole rest of the weekend all I heard were people asking me what in the world happened that I felt I needed to take him out. And how no one could see or hear him from where they were. And even the people at out own table didn't think he was too bothersome. ugh. I screwed up.. I get it. I'm sorry!! I apologized 500 times that day, I swear. LOL. When DS was 2 or 3, he was acting up in church one day. We used to sit near the front so that the kids could see, but then everyone could also see when they acted up. As I scooped DS up and carried him out (down the center aisle, of course!), he was crying and yelled out, “I don’t want a spanking!” Darned kid had never been spanked a day in his life. But everyone had a good laugh and of course had to come up to me after church and comment on it!
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Post by gar on Jun 14, 2022 19:18:59 GMT
I think Andrew will be very aware that when the Queen is no longer here, he won't have anyone in power in his corner, so to speak, so it's now or never in his eyes, to get himself re-integrated with the public. Don't hold your breath Sir. George won't go to Eton until he's 13, assuming he goes there, so I imagine there's many reasons why they're moving. Being out of centra London will be a pull I'm sure. Can the Garter be stripped after awarded? I would love to see PA have that removed from him! Only if he'd been found guilty of a criminal offence I believe.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 15, 2022 3:58:02 GMT
First day of Royal Ascot today. Princess Anne, Princess Beatrice, Sophie Winkleman all looking lovely. Zara seems to be making it clear where her loyalties lie in the family...she's being very openly affectionate with Charles.
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Post by gar on Jun 15, 2022 7:51:13 GMT
First day of Royal Ascot today. Princess Anne, Princess Beatrice, Sophie Winkleman all looking lovely. Zara seems to be making it clear where her loyalties lie in the family...she's being very openly affectionate with Charles. Do you mean in regard to Prince Andrew?
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Post by joelise on Jun 15, 2022 8:08:05 GMT
Thanks. Tried to edit Jockstrap but it doesn’t seem to want to change! Because it's jocksCrap not jocksTrap I blame my eyesight!
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Post by wellway on Jun 15, 2022 10:23:45 GMT
Just curious, Order of the Garter, my understanding is that the Monarch chooses the companions and the number of companions is limited to 24. What happens when Charles is Monarch, is he left with his mother's choices, some of whom are younger than him and will probably outlive him or can he start with a clean sheet and choose his own companions?
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Post by gar on Jun 15, 2022 10:34:04 GMT
Good question wellway. I don’t know…I imagine they wouldn’t suddenly be stripped of it would they?
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Post by wellway on Jun 15, 2022 10:39:01 GMT
Good question wellway . I don’t know…I imagine they wouldn’t suddenly be stripped of it would they? gar maybe recent appointments have been made with Charles involvement behind the scene?
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Post by gar on Jun 15, 2022 11:22:09 GMT
Could be!
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 15, 2022 12:06:22 GMT
Good question wellway . I don’t know…I imagine they wouldn’t suddenly be stripped of it would they? gar maybe recent appointments have been made with Charles involvement behind the scene? LOL. Like his wife?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 12:27:20 GMT
Just curious, Order of the Garter, my understanding is that the Monarch chooses the companions and the number of companions is limited to 24. What happens when Charles is Monarch, is he left with his mother's choices, some of whom are younger than him and will probably outlive him or can he start with a clean sheet and choose his own companions? I think they have to wait until someone dies to appoint any replacements to the 24 already there. The 24 ( companion knights) is, from my understanding, in addition to the Monarch and the Prince of Wales who are there by default so to speak. When the Queen dies William will become the Prince of Wales so there will be a vacancy for one other companion knight. My understanding is that the title can't be taken away from them unless they take up arms against the sovereign - they would have to take away their existing knighthood away from some of them too to do that. The companions outside of the Royal Family are already knights and this is a " higher" step up to an ordinary knight. In addition to the 24 + two there are also supernumerary knights but I'm not sure how many of those there can be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 12:30:22 GMT
Good question wellway . I don’t know…I imagine they wouldn’t suddenly be stripped of it would they? gar maybe recent appointments have been made with Charles involvement behind the scene? Like Tony Blair ? I can't remember ever having protest there before!
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