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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2022 3:23:16 GMT
So if Mike is indeed Mike Lee of Utah then why did someone who worked for a time to overthrow the presidential election win his primary? There was no indication there was any voter fraud in the days right after the election that should have caused anyone to work “14 hours a day” assisting trump in his efforts to overturn the election. That alone should have disqualified him from winning his primary. But yet he won his primary against two individuals that seem able to be Utah’s next Senator. Yes Mike Lee appears to be trying to distance himself from trump. But the fact that he not only bought into the notion the election was full of fraud but worked for a time spreading that notion around should disqualify him as a candidate for re-election, but yet he won his primary. Not sure why the Democrats decided to sit this election out. Maybe it’s because of Evan McMullin. I know who he is. Followed him for awhile on twitter. I like him but he is a bit too conservative for my taste and if elected he will cause problems for the Democrats I’m sure. But he will be a better Senator for Utah then Mike Lee if they want a conservative representing them.So we will see. Exactly the point some of us were trying to make. Utah is not going to elect a Democrat under almost any circumstance. Sometimes you have to look at what is possible, instead of perfect.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 3:23:41 GMT
Isn’t this something. And if the voters vote to recall this DA…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 3:36:29 GMT
With MTG involved organizing it...
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 4:26:20 GMT
So if Mike is indeed Mike Lee of Utah then why did someone who worked for a time to overthrow the presidential election win his primary? There was no indication there was any voter fraud in the days right after the election that should have caused anyone to work “14 hours a day” assisting trump in his efforts to overturn the election. That alone should have disqualified him from winning his primary. But yet he won his primary against two individuals that seem able to be Utah’s next Senator. Yes Mike Lee appears to be trying to distance himself from trump. But the fact that he not only bought into the notion the election was full of fraud but worked for a time spreading that notion around should disqualify him as a candidate for re-election, but yet he won his primary. Not sure why the Democrats decided to sit this election out. Maybe it’s because of Evan McMullin. I know who he is. Followed him for awhile on twitter. I like him but he is a bit too conservative for my taste and if elected he will cause problems for the Democrats I’m sure. But he will be a better Senator for Utah then Mike Lee if they want a conservative representing them.So we will see. Exactly the point some of us were trying to make. Utah is not going to elect a Democrat under almost any circumstance. Sometimes you have to look at what is possible, instead of perfect. Let’s be clear there is a big difference between what the Democrats are doing in Utah and those Democrats who think it’s a good idea to “support” the wacko trump endorsed candidates with the hope that if the wacko can win the primary then a Democrat can beat them in the general election. Its a dumb idea because if the Democrat should lose in the general election then one more wacko is sent to Congress with help from the Democrats. I read on twitter today that someone thinks what the Democrats are doing is shady. And he’s a Democrat saying that. I tend to agree with him. So on this we are going to agree to disagree on this.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 4, 2022 4:42:48 GMT
Exactly the point some of us were trying to make. Utah is not going to elect a Democrat under almost any circumstance. Sometimes you have to look at what is possible, instead of perfect. Let’s be clear there is a big difference between what the Democrats are doing in Utah and those Democrats who think it’s a good idea to “support” the wacko trump endorsed candidates with the hope that if the wacko can win the primary then a Democrat can beat them in the general election. Its a dumb idea because if the Democrat should lose in the general election then one more wacko is sent to Congress with help from the Democrats. I read on twitter today that someone thinks what the Democrats are doing is shady. And he’s a Democrat saying that. I tend to agree with him. So on this we are going to agree to disagree on this. It’s a very dangerous game and could have horrible consequences for years to come. I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2022 4:45:02 GMT
I was only try to make the point that in the case of Utah, McMullin makes sense and might actually be a good choice for the Democrats. He’s certainly better than Mike Lee. I wasn’t advocating for Democrats supporting Trump endorsed election deniers, like in Michigan’s 3rd district. That’s a really risky strategy, however Republicans wouldn’t hesitate to do it if it might help them win. I can see both sides. Only time will tell if the strategy pays off in November. The strategy did work in 2012 in Missouri. Claire McCaskill’s campaign paid for ads supporting the Republican least likely to win. McCaskill went on to win the general election. www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106859552/primary-illinois-colorado-republican-candidate-democrats-adsI do think it’s an excellent reason why we need significant campaign finance reform. If the situation were reversed and Republicans interfered in a Democratic primary, I think the Democrats would be furious.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2022 5:17:43 GMT
Interesting connection between Jan 6 investigation and Alex Jones’s trial. Prosecutors have 2 years of phone records, including the days leading up to Jan 6 and the day of the insurrection itself. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-3-2022
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 10:50:00 GMT
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Post by dizzycheermom on Aug 4, 2022 13:26:54 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 14:41:18 GMT
8-4-2022…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:00:13 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:04:50 GMT
I believe this is called they are buying her vote..
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:27:05 GMT
I’m sorry he is no longer on MSNBC…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:29:24 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:32:27 GMT
🎶🎶 Buying their vote, buying their vote, buying their vote🎶🎶
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 15:34:49 GMT
On the Democrats donating in excess to the MAGA candidates... The GOP calling it shady?
Not that what they did in Florida wasn't... Where they paid a guy to put his name on the ballot, with the same last name as an actual democratic candidate to draw the real guy's votes... Rodrigues I think.
Read an article recently and there some very heavy fines...
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:37:25 GMT
Such a child…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:39:20 GMT
On the Democrats donating in excess to the MAGA candidates... The GOP calling it shady? Not that what they did in Florida wasn't... Where they paid a guy to put his name on the ballot, with the same last name as an actual democratic candidate to draw the real guy's votes... Rodrigues I think. Read an article recently and there some very heavy fines... There are some Democrats calling it shady. And it is IMO.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 15:40:52 GMT
Too late, well documented perjury by Jones. Some said something about the lawyers for Jones face, jail, fines, sanctions, disbarment.. Subjorned(?) testimony? Knowingly allowing a client to perjure himself is against their ethics, thinking against the law too.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 15:54:09 GMT
Wow, who knew the Democrat’s spending could cause inflation in another country.
From CNBC…. About Great Britain…
“The sixth consecutive increase takes borrowing costs to 1.75% and marks the first half-point hike since the bank was made independent from the British government in 1997.
The bank now expects headline inflation to peak at 13.3% in October and to remain at elevated levels throughout much of 2023, before falling to its 2% target in 2025.
The MPC now projects that the U.K. will enter recession from the fourth quarter of 2022, and that the recession will last five quarters.”
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Post by ntsf on Aug 4, 2022 16:05:16 GMT
I think democrats should call sinema's bluff. take out carried interest and pass what they can.. then campaign the hell out of her with a new good candidate.. she is not an honest actor..
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2022 16:13:45 GMT
I think democrats should call sinema's bluff. take out carried interest and pass what they can.. then campaign the hell out of her with a new good candidate.. she is not an honest actor.. The Democrats scaled back the part about Medicare negotiating drug prices to appease her. She and Manchin both like the attention.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 16:17:15 GMT
OMG!
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 16:36:28 GMT
To pull this part out kind of defeats the purpose of the “Inflation Reduction Bill”. As far as I’m concerned it’s all or nothing. Schumer needs to take a vote on this sooner rather then later so if Sinema wants to be a bitch and vote no because her wealthy donors are paying to do so then there is plenty of time for the Democrats to campaign on this bill and why it didn’t pass. The lack of enough Democrats Senators to make sure the would have bill passed in spite of Sinema. The fact that the bill tackles drug costs and helps to pay for healthcare insurance should be enough incentive for voters to want this bill passed. From PBS…. linkHow to pay for all of this? The biggest revenue-raiser in the bill is a new 15% minimum tax on corporations that earn more than $1 billion in annual profits.
It’s a way to clamp down on some 200 U.S. companies that avoid paying the standard 21% corporate tax rate, including some that end up paying no taxes at all.
The new corporate minimum tax would kick in after the 2022 tax year and raise some $313 billion over the decade. Money is also raised by boosting the IRS to go after tax cheats. The bill proposes an $80 billion investment in taxpayer services, enforcement and modernization, which is projected to raise $203 billion in new revenue — a net gain of $124 billion over the decade. The bill sticks with Biden’s original pledge not to raise taxes on families or businesses making less than $400,000 a year. The lower drug prices for seniors are paid for with savings from Medicare’s negotiations with the drug companies. Extra money to pay down deficits With $739 billion in new revenue and some $433 billion in new investments, the bill promises to put the difference toward deficit reduction. Federal deficits have spiked during the COVID-19 pandemic when federal spending soared and tax revenues fell as the nation’s economy churned through shutdowns, closed offices and other massive changes. The nation has seen deficits rise and fall in recent years. But overall federal budgeting is on an unsustainable path, according to the Congressional Budget Office, which put out a new report this week on long-term projections.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 16:50:44 GMT
If this guy is re-elected it will prove my point…
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 17:26:49 GMT
As a voter would you be ok with any of this?
From the Washington Post..
“Opinion 3 big reasons to fear the Trumpist candidates winning primaries”
By Greg Sargent Columnist August 4, 2022 at 12:07 p.m. EDT
“As the noxious dust settles from this week’s GOP primaries, some big storylines are coming into view: The Trumpists are ascendant, and in their hands, the threat of Trumpism will far outlast Donald Trump himself.
The Trumpists in question are Republicans who won nominations for positions such as governor and secretary of state in critical swing states. The alarming truth is this: Many of them deny the legitimacy of President Biden’s 2020 victory, even as they are seeking positions of control over the certification of future presidential elections.
But the reality of the threat this poses keeps getting lost in euphemisms. There’s an unwillingness in the media to state the true nature of their project in plain, blunt, clear terms.
These Republicans include the following:
* In Arizona, Kari Lake, who’s closing in on the gubernatorial nomination, has said she wouldn’t have certified Biden’s 2020 victory in the state. Mark Finchem, the nominee for secretary of state, was involved in Trump’s fake-electors scheme and has pushed for the state legislature to have the authority to reject election outcomes.
* In Nevada, secretary of state nominee Jim Marchant participated in the fake-electors scheme and has said he wouldn’t have certified Biden’s victory. In Pennsylvania, gubernatorial nominee Doug Mastriano is a full-blown insurrectionist who helped lead Trump’s effort to overturn his loss and endorsed the appointment of presidential electors regardless of the popular vote, based on lies about fraud.
* In Michigan, gubernatorial nominee Tudor Dixon has flatly declared Trump won the state, though she has sometimes moderated that position. Kristina Karamo, the GOP candidate for secretary of state, has spread all kinds of lies suggesting Trump won the state in 2020.
Here are three reasons to fear these candidates that should help clarify the real nature of the threat.
1. They are running on a promise to nullify future election losses.
These candidates are often described with mealy-mouthed language, such as “election denier” or even “election skeptic.” The implication is that they genuinely believe Trump won, or harbor sincere suspicions about our elections and can’t accept “reality,” as if they’re hostage to delusions about some mythic event rapidly receding into the past.
But that soft rendering won’t do. Let’s be clearer: They are essentially running on an implicit vow that, as long as they are in power, no Democratic presidential candidate will ever win their state again. No Democratic victory in their state will ever again be treated as legitimate.
Can it be conclusively proved that this is their intention? Perhaps not, but many are running on the explicit claim that they would not have certified Biden’s win, or that the certification process could legitimately disregard the popular vote, based on fictions about the voting.
Given that they are simultaneously running for positions of control over that same process, their meaning is plain: They would use that control to ensure that Democratic victories aren’t binding and are subject to nullification.
Former GOP operative Tim Miller recently suggested some GOP candidates pledge “fealty to Trump’s delusions” without believing them. That’s undoubtedly true. But it’s also a reason to be clearer that their implicit promise is to nullify future losses. If these candidates are willing to nourish those delusions, why wouldn’t they act on those delusions next time? They’re telling us they will.
2. Trump’s grip on the GOP might be slipping, but that’s beside the point.
Sarah Longwell, who runs focus groups of Republican voters, recently tweeted:
”Trump’s grip on the GOP is slipping” discourse misses the point entirely. Trump the man can lose altitude, but the forces he unleashed have overtaken the whole party. Trump can go away, but a GOP full of cranks and conspiracists will be his enduring legacy. — Sarah Longwell (@sarahlongwell25) August 3, 2022 “ These GOP primary outcomes illuminate the true nature of this development. Loyalty to the “big lie” isn’t some eccentric obsession that these candidates inexplicably won’t relinquish. Nor is it merely a cynical trick designed to gin up turnout among angry Trump voters. Instead, it seems to be morphing into a clear, forward-looking political project.
One way to understand this is with writer John Ganz’s formulation: Like other political myths, the myth of the stolen 2020 election is a statement of intent to act. Here, the intended future act would be to refuse to acknowledge future Democratic victories as legitimate. We don’t know whether this will happen, but these candidates are declaring this intent, and it has taken on a life of its own.
3. The promise of future election sabotage is linked to the abortion wars.
When the Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade, it claimed to be returning abortion to democratic control in states. But as Adam Serwer argues, conservatives who gerrymander state governments and suppress votes are simultaneously working to constrain democracy from allowing the majority pro-choice position to prevail, revealing the hollowness of that claim.
Something similar can be discerned in these gubernatorial candidates. Notably, they have far-outside-the-mainstream positions on abortion. Mastriano and Dixon favor a ban with no exceptions. Mastriano is a Christian nationalist who believes God wants him elected governor to serve as an instrument of God’s will. Lake saw the demise of Roe as a providential sign of God’s will that women are “meant to be” mothers.
In a forthcoming essay, political theorist Matt McManus argues that politicians who take their cues in this fashion from a transcendent order sometimes treat that order as the only necessary source of their rule’s “legitimacy.” That leads to authoritarianism.
If you believe such things, it’s a short step to telling yourself that subverting elections is not only justified, but also affirmatively good. You can’t disentangle such positions on abortion from these candidates’ declaration that democratic outcomes should be nonbinding when the “wrong” side loses.”
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 18:50:11 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 19:26:57 GMT
Cruz, cozying up to those Russians again... Gorbachev pounding his shoe....
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2022 19:36:29 GMT
It seems to me the two Senators from Kentucky instead of being assholes should work to find ways to solve the problems the people of the state they supposedly represent face. This is disgraceful. These folks should not have to live like this. The reason you elect people and send them off to Congress is to bring home the “bacon”. And one of the jobs of governors is to bring new industry/jobs to their state. What in heaven’s name do you think Gavin Newsom is doing? He is targeting states where CA has lost jobs to and pointing out why they come on home to CA. From the New York Times…. link” How Coal Mining and Years of Neglect Left Kentucky Towns at the Mercy of Flooding”From the article… FLEMING-NEON, Ky. — This sliver of land wedged between the thick woods and Wright Fork creek has been the home of Gary Moore’s family for as long as there has been a United States. The burial plot for an ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary War, he said, is a mile away. Mr. Moore himself lives in a mobile home across from his father’s house; the house where his grandmother lived is next door. All of that was wrecked in last week’s flooding. “This is kind of like the final straw,” Mr. Moore, 50, said as he looked out at a new terrain of shredded homes, crushed cars and endless debris. “We’re gradually losing it — that bond we had. It’s slipping away. People are getting out of here, trying to get better jobs and live better lives. I’m leaning in that direction myself.” For much of the last century, the country was powered by the labor of coal miners underneath the hills and mountains of southeastern Kentucky. But the landscape that was built to serve this work was fragile, leaving the people here extraordinarily vulnerable, especially after the coal industry shuttered so many of the mines and moved on. What remained were modest, unprotected homes and decaying infrastructure, and a land that itself, in many places, had been shorn of its natural defenses.Last week, when a deluge of rain poured into the hollows, turning creeks into roaring rivers, overwhelming old flood records, killing at least 37 people and destroying countless homes, that vulnerability was made brutally manifest. “When you have a century of billions of dollars and resources leaving, very little of it staying to create the infrastructure necessary for people to live lives, and it’s neglected as long as it has been,” said Wes Addington, a lawyer with the Appalachian Citizens Law Center in nearby Whitesburg, whose law office is now a flooded wreck, “when that’s combined with a really insane flood, it’s a catastrophe.” Southeastern Kentucky, which includes some of the poorest counties in the country, is different from many other rural areas, which have populated county seats surrounded by mostly empty countryside. Here, tiny communities are scattered all over the mountains, little clusters of shotgun houses and mobile homes lining creeks and hollows for miles. Many of these were once coal company camps, said Mr. Addington, who grew up in one. They were built for miners a hundred years ago, and often named — like the Fleming in Fleming-Neon — for coal company executives. Work in the mines was always grueling, but in the heyday of coal, it made for a glittering strand of little mountain boom towns. Fleming-Neon was once one, full of restaurants and stores, a movie theater and an Oldsmobile dealership. “When I was in high school, we had businesses up and down through here,” Mr. Moore recalled, gesturing at storefronts that had been sitting gloomily empty well before the waters came through. In Letcher County, where Fleming-Neon is, the number of people working in the mines is down about 95 percent from what it was in 1990; the county itself, now with 21,000 people, has shrunk by about a fifth since then. The departure of coal companies left a population dispersed in small communities throughout the mountains, stretching water lines, roads and other vital infrastructure delicately thin. With the gradual disappearance of coal came a dramatic reduction in tax revenue, leaving much of this infrastructure crumbling long before the flood. For a population that is older, poorer and in worse health than much of the country, and thus heavily reliant on social and health services, this had already been a crisis.Many former miners, their bodies and lungs broken and poisoned from years of arduous work underground, were never able to find another dependable line of work; fewer than half of the adults in Letcher County are in the labor force, and more than a quarter of people under 65 report having a disability. The median household income is about half of the national. The median home value is just $54,700. It’s hard, it’s really hard,” said Kathy Arnett, 40, who was raised in a hollow not far from Fleming-Neon. “They just don’t make no effort to put nothing in here to help our families.” Ms. Arnett spoke about the difficulty finding much of anything around here, most of all a good job. It was poisonous to the young, she said, the sense of futility that can set in. “I hold our presidents — not one, all of them — responsible,” she said. “They should have been trying sooner.” Government oversight meant to ensure the safety of homes is weaker here than in other parts of the country. In much of Kentucky, there is no enforcement mechanism for building codes for single-family homes, said Corey Roblee, vice president for government relations at the International Code Council, a group that oversees the development of building standards. Those codes are meant to protect structures against threats like flooding. Letcher County, as well as some of the other counties hit hardest by the flooding, has no local building inspector at all, according to state records.Still, building codes apply primarily to new construction, and there is not much of that these days. In 2021, not a single building permit was issued in the county, census data show. Of the 10,500 homes that were in Letcher County on the eve of the flood, fewer than 120 had flood insurance, according to FEMA records. In the city of Fleming-Neon, only one property did. When last week’s storms arrived, they rolled into a mountainous topography “exceptionally susceptible to heavy rain events,” said Matthew Eby, chief executive officer of the First Street Foundation, a New York-based group that maps flood risks. According to First Street’s data, two-thirds of the homes in Letcher County face a high risk of flooding, as does most of the county’s critical infrastructure, such as fire stations and schools. And as temperatures rise over time, a consequence of the burning of coal dug out of these very mountains, warmer air is able to hold more moisture, making it possible for more rain to fall more quickly. The land itself has changed over the decades, too, as coal companies stripped away hillsides or blew the tops off mountains to get at the riches underneath. Researchers have found that the treeless land that is left behind, if not carefully restored, can increase the speed and volume of rain runoff, worsening floods in the mountains.“Ten, twelve years ago most of my practice was representing flood victims below unreclaimed strip mines,” said Ned Pillersdorf, a lawyer in nearby Floyd County, which was also hard hit in the floods. It was hard to say at this point precisely how much that played a part in last week’s flooding, he said. But he added: “Fly over here and see how many unreclaimed strip-mines are still out there.” This week, the people in the region were working long, exhausting days, clearing debris with backhoes, cooking meals for one another, handing out jugs of water, building makeshift bridges and offering shelter to newly homeless neighbors. But the work ahead was almost unfathomably daunting. Across the region, little communities remained isolated on the other side of washed-out bridges, thousands were enduring a boiling summer heat without electricity and thousands more were cut off from water. Emergency responders were still searching the wreckage in the remote valleys, as officials warned that an already grim death toll was likely to rise. Zach Weinberg lives a few hundred yards from a family who lost four children to the floodwaters. In recent days, he has been traveling from home to home in Knott County to replace flood-damaged gas meters for his family-run business. Some customers have told him not to bother, he said. They are not coming back. More people will probably be making this decision when they realize how long and arduous the recovery will be, Mr. Weinberg said. And when they go, they will take tax revenue with them, leaving cash-strapped local governments with even less. “It’ll be a partial government that does what they can, which won’t be much,” Mr. Weinberg said. There are people and groups throughout the mountains — like Appalshop, the arts and cultural organization in Whitesburg that was badly damaged in the floods — that have been working for years to remake eastern Kentucky into a flourishing region that is no longer dependent on coal mines. The Kentucky governor, Andy Beshear, is already talking with lawmakers about a substantial flood relief package, and the FEMA administrator has pledged to assist in the recovery “as long as you need us.” But unless Congress provides additional money for people to rebuild or replace their homes — a process that can take years, if it happens at all — many flood victims will have to rely on savings, charity or whatever other help they can find. And many are asking how much there is left to preserve.On Tuesday, Bill Rose, 64, was slowly shoveling away the mounds of mud outside the mechanic shop in Fleming-Neon where he and his brother like to tinker on old cars. Like so many others, he talked about the resilience people must have to live here. He said he was committed to staying. “You build back,” he said. But he made clear he was talking about himself. Not his children. He was grateful when his daughter left for work as a nurse closer to Louisville, Ky. She loved it here but there was nothing for her — no jobs, no opportunities, nothing to do. After the cataclysm of last week, there was even less. “My generation,” Mr. Rose said, “will probably be the last generation.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2022 19:39:11 GMT
News from Georgia...... The filing cites claims made by Raffensperger about a pressure campaign Graham conducted on Trump's behalf in which he "implied for us to audit the envelopes and then throw out the ballots for counties who have the highest frequency error of signatures." www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-georgia-2657808286/
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