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Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2022 3:50:47 GMT
There’s nothing to deflect from. There’s nothing here except for wild claims made by you and Chuck Grassley.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2022 3:56:15 GMT
There’s nothing to deflect from. There’s nothing here except for wild claims made by you and Chuck Grassley. The same Sen Chuck Grassley who claims he voted yes for cutting the cost of insulin. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2022 4:00:05 GMT
There’s nothing to deflect from. There’s nothing here except for wild claims made by you and Chuck Grassley. The same Sen Chuck Grassley who claims he voted yes for cutting the cost of insulin. Exactly. If he can’t remember how he voted the day before, how is he a credible source? Not to mention, he attacks Democrats at every opportunity. And the letter reads like campaign propaganda or perhaps talking points for Fox? The same Chuck Grassley that ranted about the Clinton campaign 6 years later www.grassley.senate.gov/news/remarks/grassley-the-clinton-campaigns-dirty-tricksThe same Chuck Grassley that frequently lies. He said he would support the Merrick Garland standard for a Supreme Court nomination in July. Just a day after RBG died, he said he would support a Trump nominee. Grassley said the Republicans wouldn’t get into the gutter for Ketanji Brown Jackson’s hearings and said they would keep them respectful. Then look what they did, it was anything but respectful. The same Chuck Grassley that thinks there are rules for thee not me. For example, term limits. He supports them, but not for himself. He’s been in office for more than 60 years and exactly why every Senator and Representative should have term limits. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/04/chuck-grassley-can-no-longer-remember-why-he-got-into-politics/The same Chuck Grassley who thought we should move on a year after Jan 6 www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2022/01/06/january-6-democrats-highlight-capitol-riot-anniversary-grassley-donald-trump/9117400002/The same Chuck Grassley that said this about the search for documents at Mar-a-Lago. thehill.com/policy/national-security/3595155-grassley-expresses-concern-to-fbi-director-in-wake-of-mar-a-lago-search/“If the FBI isn’t extraordinarily transparent about its justification for yesterday’s actions and committed to rooting out political bias that has infected their most sensitive investigations, they will have sealed their own fate,” Grassley said. Nope, he seems objective, he couldn’t possibly have an axe to grind with the FBI. |
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Post by peatlejuice on Aug 13, 2022 4:00:26 GMT
So I read "the letter in the OP", and every single one of the dates mentioned is prior to the election in November 2020. If the FBI was covering for Hunter, it certainly wasn't on behalf of the Biden administration, because there was no Biden administration at that point. I have a long theory behind why certain actions were taken, but since OP has expressed exactly zero interest in good faith discussion, I'm not going to waste my time writing it out.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 4:21:29 GMT
So I read "the letter in the OP", and every single one of the dates mentioned is prior to the election in November 2020. If the FBI was covering for Hunter, it certainly wasn't on behalf of the Biden administration, because there was no Biden administration at that point. I have a long theory behind why certain actions were taken, but since OP has expressed exactly zero interest in good faith discussion, I'm not going to waste my time writing it out. I didn't say it was for the Biden ADMINISTRATION. but since OP has expressed exactly zero interest in good faith discussion, What are you basing that on? Of course I have interest in good faith discussion. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 13, 2022 12:10:15 GMT
If you could at least acknowledge what’s happening with Trump and classified documents or the millions that Trump and his family made off his presidency, I might take you a little more seriously.  I've done that before and you've already shown that nothing will ever be enough for you. This is just your weird attempt at a bizarre power trip. I’m confused. Who lied about it and covered it up? I follow news pretty closely and I have not seen this. Did you not read the letter on the OP? Wait, isn't Hunter already being investigated? I think he is currently under investigation. "The significant number and consistency of the allegations substantiate their credibility and necessitate this letter." You should read the letter. Among other things, despite all of the "reporting being verified and verifiable via criminal search warrants" it was labeled Russian disinformation and ordered closed almost as soon as they got it. It was also closed without a valid reason as required and "attempted to be marked in such a way that it could not be opened again". I did read it. Those are allegations from someone who is hardly impartial. If there is actual proof, then prosecute him. One thing that bothers me is that some tech experts who have examined the hard drive say that files were added to it. I do not know if that is true, and there are other reports that say that the laptop is 100% authentic. Who knows? |
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Post by peatlejuice on Aug 13, 2022 14:11:41 GMT
So I read "the letter in the OP", and every single one of the dates mentioned is prior to the election in November 2020. If the FBI was covering for Hunter, it certainly wasn't on behalf of the Biden administration, because there was no Biden administration at that point. I have a long theory behind why certain actions were taken, but since OP has expressed exactly zero interest in good faith discussion, I'm not going to waste my time writing it out. I didn't say it was for the Biden ADMINISTRATION. but since OP has expressed exactly zero interest in good faith discussion, What are you basing that on? Of course I have interest in good faith discussion. Okay, so in re-reading your posts, I think what you've been trying to say is that you believe the FBI lied (I assume to the media) about the Hunter investigation having validity, and that there was one specific agent that was actively trying to miscategorize the investigation as disinformation. And separately, you believe the Biden administration has been trying to cover up that there's an active investigation, as well as trying to force the media to not cover it. Is that an accurate assessment of your beliefs? As for why I don't believe you have an interest in good faith discussion. There are multiple posts in here that point out the logical fallacies in the Grassley letter (and thereby, your beliefs, if I understand them correctly). You intentionally cherry-pick around those observations in your responses. I'll specifically point out the response by onelasttime that includes The Hill article as an example of this. You also have a history of doing this act of posting a far-right theory, refusing to discuss counterpoints, and eventually abandoning the thread until you find your next far-right theory to spin. Past performance indicates future behavior. I have no reason to believe you want good faith discussion because your past performances have not been in good faith. Attempting to clarify your positions, for the sake of the people who want to try to discuss this with you, is the most good faith and energy that I care to expend on a debate with you at this time. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 19:28:53 GMT
I didn't say it was for the Biden ADMINISTRATION. What are you basing that on? Of course I have interest in good faith discussion. Okay, so in re-reading your posts, I think what you've been trying to say is that you believe the FBI lied (I assume to the media) about the Hunter investigation having validity, and that there was one specific agent that was actively trying to miscategorize the investigation as disinformation. And separately, you believe the Biden administration has been trying to cover up that there's an active investigation, as well as trying to force the media to not cover it. Is that an accurate assessment of your beliefs? As for why I don't believe you have an interest in good faith discussion. There are multiple posts in here that point out the logical fallacies in the Grassley letter (and thereby, your beliefs, if I understand them correctly). You intentionally cherry-pick around those observations in your responses. I'll specifically point out the response by onelasttime that includes The Hill article as an example of this. You also have a history of doing this act of posting a far-right theory, refusing to discuss counterpoints, and eventually abandoning the thread until you find your next far-right theory to spin. Past performance indicates future behavior. I have no reason to believe you want good faith discussion because your past performances have not been in good faith. Attempting to clarify your positions, for the sake of the people who want to try to discuss this with you, is the most good faith and energy that I care to expend on a debate with you at this time. I'm just one person, whereas how many people am I responding to? I don't have as much time as all of those people combined. To expect that I should is absurd. I've answered and responded to 20 something questions, deflections and allegations. Some that are nothing more than meant to dismiss or silence facts they don't like. I strongly suspect that YOU cherry picked for no other reason than some of the other insults, deflections and allegations. But that would take it into the tangent that you meant to take it to, so we'll just put that aside and proceed in a "good faith discussion" that you are claiming that you're interested in. Let's look at the one you're miffed about because I "didn't answer" your friend. I actually did answer her. I responded to her statement that she stated as fact, "You’re miffed because not more people are taking this seriously." with a correction of her "fact". For her to say that as fact is, by your standards, "not a good faith argument". Right off the get go. From the very first sentence. So no, I didn't take the rest of her argument in good faith. But you did. So in a "good faith" attempt to understand, what do you think in that article makes it okay that the FBI, despite evidence to the contrary put out the actual disinformation that the laptop was "nothing more than Russian disinformation"? Or what do you think in that article makes it okay that the FBI, despite evidence to the contrary, attempted to close the case very early, in such a way as to go against what was required of them in order to do so and to attempt to mark it in such a way that it wouldn't be able to be opened back up? What in that article makes any of that okay? Okay, so in re-reading your posts, I think what you've been trying to say is that you believe the FBI lied (I assume to the media) about the Hunter investigation having validity, and that there was one specific agent that was actively trying to miscategorize the investigation as disinformation. And separately, you believe the Biden administration has been trying to cover up that there's an active investigation, as well as trying to force the media to not cover it. Is that an accurate assessment of your beliefs? Not just me. Catherine Herridge of CBS news is reporting it, for one. As I said to onelasttime, Because they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. Because they lied about it. The FBI. They lied and covered it up, UNTIL Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 13, 2022 19:42:45 GMT
pixiechickum. Catherine Herridge is not reporting that it happened. Catherine Herridge is reporting that Chuck Grassley has made an allegation to that effect. Republican politicians are very free with allegations that have no basis in fact. As always … I will wait for the actual evidence.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 20:03:56 GMT
pixiechick um. Catherine Herridge is not reporting that it happened. Catherine Herridge is reporting that Chuck Grassley has made an allegation to that effect. Republican politicians are very free with allegations that have no basis in fact. As always … I will wait for the actual evidence. Not a bad idea. But, don't forget that you're the one that started thread to say the laptop was not real. Turns out it was.  |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 13, 2022 20:22:58 GMT
Okay, so in re-reading your posts, I think what you've been trying to say is that you believe the FBI lied (I assume to the media) about the Hunter investigation having validity, and that there was one specific agent that was actively trying to miscategorize the investigation as disinformation. And separately, you believe the Biden administration has been trying to cover up that there's an active investigation, as well as trying to force the media to not cover it. Is that an accurate assessment of your beliefs? As for why I don't believe you have an interest in good faith discussion. There are multiple posts in here that point out the logical fallacies in the Grassley letter (and thereby, your beliefs, if I understand them correctly). You intentionally cherry-pick around those observations in your responses. I'll specifically point out the response by onelasttime that includes The Hill article as an example of this. You also have a history of doing this act of posting a far-right theory, refusing to discuss counterpoints, and eventually abandoning the thread until you find your next far-right theory to spin. Past performance indicates future behavior. I have no reason to believe you want good faith discussion because your past performances have not been in good faith. Attempting to clarify your positions, for the sake of the people who want to try to discuss this with you, is the most good faith and energy that I care to expend on a debate with you at this time. I'm just one person, whereas how many people am I responding to? I don't have as much time as all of those people combined. To expect that I should is absurd. I've answered and responded to 20 something questions, deflections and allegations. Some that are nothing more than meant to dismiss or silence facts they don't like. I strongly suspect that YOU cherry picked for no other reason than some of the other insults, deflections and allegations. But that would take it into the tangent that you meant to take it to, so we'll just put that aside and proceed in a "good faith discussion" that you are claiming that you're interested in. Let's look at the one you're miffed about because I "didn't answer" your friend. I actually did answer her . I responded to her statement that she stated as fact, "You’re miffed because not more people are taking this seriously." with a correction of her "fact". For her to say that as fact is, by your standards, "not a good faith argument". Right off the get go. From the very first sentence. So no, I didn't take the rest of her argument in good faith. But you did. So in a "good faith" attempt to understand, what do you think in that article makes it okay that the FBI, despite evidence to the contrary put out the actual disinformation that the laptop was "nothing more than Russian disinformation"? Or what do you think in that article makes it okay that the FBI, despite evidence to the contrary, attempted to close the case very early, in such a way as to go against what was required of them in order to do so and to attempt to mark it in such a way that it wouldn't be able to be opened back up? What in that article makes any of that okay? Okay, so in re-reading your posts, I think what you've been trying to say is that you believe the FBI lied (I assume to the media) about the Hunter investigation having validity, and that there was one specific agent that was actively trying to miscategorize the investigation as disinformation. And separately, you believe the Biden administration has been trying to cover up that there's an active investigation, as well as trying to force the media to not cover it. Is that an accurate assessment of your beliefs? Not just me. Catherine Herridge of CBS news is reporting it, for one. As I said to onelasttime, Because they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. Because they lied about it. The FBI. They lied and covered it up, UNTIL Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. You do understand what an opinion is right? My opinion that you are miffed because no one is taking this seriously enough for you is based on my observation of your answers/attitude. You are free to agree or disagree with my opinion. Which you did by saying you are not miffed. No facts involved, just my observation and your belief. Facts are verifiable instances that have occurred. Like Space X has successfully landed their stage one rockets multiple times after a launch. They have landed the stage one rockets on their drone ships and on land. That is a fact that you can easily verify. Then there are facts that lead to an opinion. Fact: the Republicans in Congress lie and deliberately spread misinformation and miss characterize issues for political gain. This is easily verified. As such my opinion of the Republicans in Congress is it will be a cold day in hell before I will believe anything they say with out solid verifiable proof of what they say. That includes the letter Grassley wrote to the DOJ & FBI about the investigation. Here are some examples of why I don’t trust anything the Republicans say. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2022 20:25:45 GMT
pixiechickum. Catherine Republican politicians are very free with allegations that have no basis in fact. As always … I will wait for the actual evidence. OMG-lol! Can you say Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and every single democrat in Congress screaming that Russia collusion, Steele dossier, Carter Page, and everything else was true? It was ALL false, made up, lies. What a joke y’all can be-too funny. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 13, 2022 20:45:31 GMT
pixiechick um. Catherine Republican politicians are very free with allegations that have no basis in fact. As always … I will wait for the actual evidence. OMG-lol! Can you say Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and every single democrat in Congress screaming that Russia collusion, Steele dossier, Carter Page, and everything else was true? It was ALL false, made up, lies. What a joke y’all can be-too funny. Have you read the Mueller report?  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
It has been mentioned recently! lucyg |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 13, 2022 21:00:09 GMT
pixiechick um. Catherine Herridge is not reporting that it happened. Catherine Herridge is reporting that Chuck Grassley has made an allegation to that effect. Republican politicians are very free with allegations that have no basis in fact. As always … I will wait for the actual evidence. Not a bad idea. But, don't forget that you're the one that started thread to say the laptop was not real. Turns out it was. I’m not sure what you mean by I “started thread to say laptop was not real.” ETA is this what you were talking about? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/113640/imaginary-hunter-biden-scandalI guess there is a laptop. But the scandal still appears to be imaginary. The laptop story is nothing like that utter nonsense the Republicans started out with. Once again, let’s follow the evidence. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2022 21:16:23 GMT
Seriously-talk about sheeple.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 21:17:06 GMT
Not a bad idea. But, don't forget that you're the one that started thread to say the laptop was not real. Turns out it was. I’m not sure what you mean by I “started thread to say laptop was not real.” ETA is this what you were talking about? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/113640/imaginary-hunter-biden-scandalI guess there is a laptop. But the scandal still appears to be imaginary. The laptop story is nothing like that utter nonsense the Republicans started out with. Once again, let’s follow the evidence. The evidence was there. You said it wasn't. NOW you say... I guess there is a laptop. And then you revert back to... But the scandal still appears to be imaginary. And history repeats. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2022 21:17:59 GMT
hunter bidens laptop has some seriously damning shit on it. They didn’t call joe The Big Guy for nothing.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 13, 2022 21:21:33 GMT
I’m not sure what you mean by I “started thread to say laptop was not real.” ETA is this what you were talking about? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/113640/imaginary-hunter-biden-scandalI guess there is a laptop. But the scandal still appears to be imaginary. The laptop story is nothing like that utter nonsense the Republicans started out with. Once again, let’s follow the evidence. The evidence was there. You said it wasn't. NOW you say... I guess there is a laptop. And then you revert back to... But the scandal still appears to be imaginary. And history repeats. Republican claims of what is on the laptop and/or how it got there do not constitute evidence. Please allow the FBI to continue to do its work. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2022 21:22:19 GMT
Sheeple? Really? Look how many Republicans jumped on the bandwagon this week that the FBI search was a witch hunt, unwarranted etc. and the poor guy who believed all of that propaganda, spin & lies, attacked the FBI office and died. Trump supporters don’t think critically, don’t look at the evidence and are willing to die for all of his lies. That’s the definition of sheeple.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 13, 2022 21:24:27 GMT
Seriously-talk about sheeple. Seriously, talk about projection.  hunter bidens laptop has some seriously damning shit on it. They didn’t call joe The Big Guy for nothing. Is that the same Joe Biden you people claim has dementia, can’t put a sentence together on his own, and is being not-so-secretly controlled by Kamala Harris? He’s The Big Guy?  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 21:39:18 GMT
The evidence was there. You said it wasn't. NOW you say... And then you revert back to... And history repeats. Republican claims of what is on the laptop and/or how it got there do not constitute evidence. Please allow the FBI to continue to do its work. This thread isn't about what's on the laptop. This thread is about they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. They lied about it. The FBI. They lied and covered it up, UNTIL Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. Those are facts. s that the same Joe Biden you people claim has dementia, can’t put a sentence together on his own, and is being not-so-secretly controlled by Kamala Harris? He’s The Big Guy? Those have nothing to do with each other and neither one cancels the other one out. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2022 21:46:31 GMT
Republican claims of what is on the laptop and/or how it got there do not constitute evidence. Please allow the FBI to continue to do its work. This thread isn't about what's on the laptop. This thread is about they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. They lied about it. The FBI. They lied and covered it up, UNTIL Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. Those are facts. s that the same Joe Biden you people claim has dementia, can’t put a sentence together on his own, and is being not-so-secretly controlled by Kamala Harris? He’s The Big Guy? Those have nothing to do with each other and neither one cancels the other one out. No, they’re not facts. The only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. For various reasons, he is not an objective source. If the whistleblowers come forward, then maybe it will be a fact. All you have right now is Chuck Grassley’s word. His opinion and yours, not facts. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 21:55:39 GMT
This thread isn't about what's on the laptop. This thread is about they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts.
They lied about it. The FBI.
They lied and covered it up, UNTIL Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign.Those are facts. Those have nothing to do with each other and neither one cancels the other one out. No, they’re not facts. The only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. For various reasons, he is not an objective source. If the whistleblowers come forward, then maybe it will be a fact. All you have right now is Chuck Grassley’s word. His opinion and yours, not facts. Yes, they absolutely are facts. With or without the letter, those facts stated above are indisputable facts from way back. We all know that part now. It's out. You can argue the letter, but you can not argue what we all now know. It's been revealed and admitted. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 13, 2022 21:59:42 GMT
Seriously-talk about sheeple. Seriously, talk about projection. hunter bidens laptop has some seriously damning shit on it. They didn’t call joe The Big Guy for nothing. Is that the same Joe Biden you people claim has dementia, can’t put a sentence together on his own, and is being not-so-secretly controlled by Kamala Harris? He’s The Big Guy? Yup, the same joe biden. He also couldn’t find his ass with both hands or zip his pants without jill’s help. One in the same. So the computer repair guy was bullshitting as was Tony Bobulinsky? Please. |
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 13, 2022 22:06:49 GMT
No, they’re not facts. The only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. For various reasons, he is not an objective source. If the whistleblowers come forward, then maybe it will be a fact. All you have right now is Chuck Grassley’s word. His opinion and yours, not facts. Yes, they absolutely are facts. With or without the letter, those facts stated above are indisputable facts from way back. We all know that part now. It's out. You can argue the letter, but you can not argue what we all now know. It's been revealed and admitted. - Do you have any other information that I can read about this, besides the letter from Chuck Grassley? I'd like to read up on this "revealed and admitted" information. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 13, 2022 22:07:27 GMT
If they were silencing the news media they seem to have done a poor job. A Google search brings up dozens of articles from both mainstream and fringe sites. Who exactly was silenced on this matter? How was it covered up?
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 22:07:36 GMT
Seriously, talk about projection. Is that the same Joe Biden you people claim has dementia, can’t put a sentence together on his own, and is being not-so-secretly controlled by Kamala Harris? He’s The Big Guy? Yup, the same joe biden. He also couldn’t find his ass with both hands or zip his pants without jill’s help. One in the same. So the computer repair guy was bullshitting as was Tony Bobulinsky? Please. Jill actually physically moved a grown ass man into place. The president of the United States! Even she TREATS him like a man in a diminished mental state. I saw him trying to put his jacket on the other day. It was just short of a dog chasing his tail. And the press guy talking about when he was recovering from covid the first time, he said that Joe actually held up his plate to show him he ate everything on his plate. Like a 3 year old. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 13, 2022 22:09:53 GMT
Facts are based in verifiable evidence. Chuck Grassley’s letter has not been verified and therefore, all of your opinions about the FBI covering up things and the Biden Administration suppressing the press, working in tandem with social media etc are exactly that - opinion.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 13, 2022 22:16:07 GMT
Yes, they absolutely are facts. With or without the letter, those facts stated above are indisputable facts from way back. We all know that part now. It's out. You can argue the letter, but you can not argue what we all now know. It's been revealed and admitted. - Do you have any other information that I can read about this, besides the letter from Chuck Grassley? I'd like to read up on this "revealed and admitted" information. Samantha, we had the evidence of Hunter's laptop, the media and the FBI were calling it "Russian disinformation" and banning any news source from reporting it on Facebook and Twitter. PEOPLE were put in timeout for saying it. Left leaning news was demonizing anyone who said it. Joe Biden got elected and SINCE THEN it's common knowledge that oh, it wasn't actually "Russian disinformation". Hell, even Hunter himself admitted it. |
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