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Post by Laurie on Sept 18, 2022 2:54:09 GMT
I don't think they should have caved to Harry's demands...if he didn't reach the rank to be able to wear a uniform and they apply that rule to everyone else, then I don't think exceptions should be made because he happens to be famous and he created a stink in the media to make them look bad. I thought Edward & Sophie's statement was really lovely and I liked how he sent his love to Charles as well. I hope Charles makes Edward the Duke of Edinburgh as soon as things settle down a bit. Did you see when KC was greeting people yesterday a lady gave him a pen and said it was for "just in case" & Charles laughed. I'm glad I haven't seen any negative comments about Camilla's clothes..I think she always looked polished, her clothes fit well and she dresses appropriately for her age and position...just like the Queen did. Plus they are all in morning no-one should be commenting on if they are fashionable or not. I read (CNN iirc) that King Charles made the decision and Harry had not asked. I am okay with Harry wearing it but not Andrew.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 18, 2022 3:19:32 GMT
I don't think they should have caved to Harry's demands...if he didn't reach the rank to be able to wear a uniform and they apply that rule to everyone else, then I don't think exceptions should be made because he happens to be famous and he created a stink in the media to make them look bad. I thought Edward & Sophie's statement was really lovely and I liked how he sent his love to Charles as well. I hope Charles makes Edward the Duke of Edinburgh as soon as things settle down a bit. Did you see when KC was greeting people yesterday a lady gave him a pen and said it was for "just in case" & Charles laughed. I'm glad I haven't seen any negative comments about Camilla's clothes..I think she always looked polished, her clothes fit well and she dresses appropriately for her age and position...just like the Queen did. Plus they are all in morning no-one should be commenting on if they are fashionable or not. I read (CNN iirc) that King Charles made the decision and Harry had not asked. I am okay with Harry wearing it but now Andrew. Strange since Andrew retired and has the right to wear the uniform yet Harry didn’t. Regardless, the focus should be on honoring the Queen not manufactured uniform drama.
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Post by katlady on Sept 18, 2022 5:04:19 GMT
I don't think they should have caved to Harry's demands...if he didn't reach the rank to be able to wear a uniform and they apply that rule to everyone else, then I don't think exceptions should be made because he happens to be famous and he created a stink in the media to make them look bad. I thought Edward & Sophie's statement was really lovely and I liked how he sent his love to Charles as well. I hope Charles makes Edward the Duke of Edinburgh as soon as things settle down a bit. Did you see when KC was greeting people yesterday a lady gave him a pen and said it was for "just in case" & Charles laughed. I'm glad I haven't seen any negative comments about Camilla's clothes..I think she always looked polished, her clothes fit well and she dresses appropriately for her age and position...just like the Queen did. Plus they are all in morning no-one should be commenting on if they are fashionable or not. I read (CNN iirc) that King Charles made the decision and Harry had not asked. I am okay with Harry wearing it but not Andrew. Yes, from all I have read, Harry did not make any request to wear his uniform. I wonder if King Charles was swayed by public opinion about Harry being allowed to wear his uniform.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 18, 2022 5:13:05 GMT
I read (CNN iirc) that King Charles made the decision and Harry had not asked. I am okay with Harry wearing it but not Andrew. Yes, from all I have read, Harry did not make any request to wear his uniform. I wonder if King Charles was swayed by public opinion about Harry being allowed to wear his uniform. Which is strange because in the beginning they kept pushing the “ queen planned it all to meticulous detail” narrative 🤷♀️
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Post by gar on Sept 18, 2022 7:49:06 GMT
Yes, from all I have read, Harry did not make any request to wear his uniform. I wonder if King Charles was swayed by public opinion about Harry being allowed to wear his uniform. Which is strange because in the beginning they kept pushing the “ queen planned it all to meticulous detail” narrative 🤷♀️ I think King Charles is probably hoping to build bridges with his youngest son. I haven’t seen strong public feeling either way and it would probably have been 50/50 as to whether he should or not anyway. ‘They’ weren’t ‘pushing a narrative’, it’s simply factual but that doesn’t mean that the King can’t make adjustments like this as he sees fit when it doesn’t affect the actual running of the plan the Queen put in place.
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 8:43:31 GMT
I thought the grandchildren's vigil was lovely. I was very glad to not see George, Charlotte, and Louis not be included. I never thought Archie or Lili would be there, but wasn't sure about the Cambridge (or should I call them the Wales kids, now?) kids. Especially the oldest two. There is some talk that Prince George will attend the funeral. Both he and Princess Charlotte attended the memorial service for Prince Philip but funerals are a bit different. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow.
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Post by gar on Sept 18, 2022 8:45:23 GMT
I thought the grandchildren's vigil was lovely. I was very glad to not see George, Charlotte, and Louis not be included. I never thought Archie or Lili would be there, but wasn't sure about the Cambridge (or should I call them the Wales kids, now?) kids. Especially the oldest two. There is some talk that Prince George will attend the funeral. Both he and Princess Charlotte attended the memorial service for Prince Philip but funerals are a bit different. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow. I agree. The great grandchildren weren’t ever expected to be seen at the lying in state though.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 9:41:56 GMT
Yes, from all I have read, Harry did not make any request to wear his uniform. I wonder if King Charles was swayed by public opinion about Harry being allowed to wear his uniform. Absolutely did Harry make it known that he wanted to wear one, he issued a media release about it and he knew full well that most people wouldn't know the rules about who is entitled to wear a uniform, and he knew the media would run with the story of Andrew being permitted and Harry not...and it ended with him getting his way. The great grandchildren weren’t ever expected to be seen at the lying in state though. All of Zara and Peter's children attended and there was no announcement made about that, so I don't think it was unreasonable to think that the Wales children may have visited at some stage. I think it's a bit sad they they haven't been there.
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Post by sueg on Sept 18, 2022 10:29:30 GMT
A question for the Brits here about the titles of the grandchildren that I noticed last night seeing the reports of the vigil.
I know that Princess Anne declined titles for her kids, but why are Prince Andrew's daughters both princesses, and Prince Edward's children are 'only' Lady Louise and Viscount Severn? Why are they not Princess Louise and Prince James? They are the same generation, so why the difference?
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Post by wellway on Sept 18, 2022 11:16:05 GMT
A question for the Brits here about the titles of the grandchildren that I noticed last night seeing the reports of the vigil. I know that Princess Anne declined titles for her kids, but why are Prince Andrew's daughters both princesses, and Prince Edward's children are 'only' Lady Louise and Viscount Severn? Why are they not Princess Louise and Prince James? They are the same generation, so why the difference? My understanding is they have the titles and that Edward and Sophie are letting them decide for themselves when they turn 18. From wiki James is styled as Viscount Severn. The title Viscount Severn acknowledges the Welsh roots of his mother's family:[14] the River Severn rises in Wales. Letters patent issued in 1917 assign a princely status and the style of Royal Highness to all children of a monarch's sons.[15] When his parents married, Buckingham Palace announced that their children would be styled as the children of an earl, rather than as prince or princess.[16] Thus, court communications refer to him as Viscount Severn.[17] In 2020, the Countess of Wessex and Forfar stated that James and his sister retained their royal titles and styles and will make a choice on whether to use it when they each turn 18.[18]
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 11:48:59 GMT
A question for the Brits here about the titles of the grandchildren that I noticed last night seeing the reports of the vigil. I know that Princess Anne declined titles for her kids, but why are Prince Andrew's daughters both princesses, and Prince Edward's children are 'only' Lady Louise and Viscount Severn? Why are they not Princess Louise and Prince James? They are the same generation, so why the difference? This article explains it in a bit more detail: royalcentral.co.uk/uk/why-prince-edwards-children-are-not-titled-prince-and-princess-103666/
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 14:22:22 GMT
I must say, whatever my thoughts are on Prince Andrew, it was his statement that made me cry. It felt so heartfelt.
Also, Prince Harry had the ER cypher taken off the epaulettes on his military uniform that he wore at the vigil. He was said to be furious as Prince Andrew still had them on his uniform. I feel that this confusion of the uniform is the only thing that has cast any shadow on the otherwise immaculate events so far.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 18, 2022 14:39:53 GMT
My question was about the youngest grandchild, James, but I've answered it. lol -- He was wearing two medals on his jacket and he seems a bit young for military medals, lol. So I googled and it turns out they were medals from the Queen's Jubilees in 2012 and this year. The Queen gave them as a gift. My dh, in his superior way that he gets when he's talking about history (because he imagines that he knows everything, and he actually often does, lol... ) started going on and on about military medals and how you earn them, and blah blah blah. I said these were a gift from the Queen, they were commemorative, and that the Queen could give whatever she wanted to as gifts. He had to admit I was right about that. hahahaha
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 15:02:46 GMT
My question was about the youngest grandchild, James, but I've answered it. lol -- He was wearing two medals on his jacket and he seems a bit young for military medals, lol. So I googled and it turns out they were medals from the Queen's Jubilees in 2012 and this year. The Queen gave them as a gift. My dh, in his superior way that he gets when he's talking about history (because he imagines that he knows everything, and he actually often does, lol... ) started going on and on about military medals and how you earn them, and blah blah blah. I said these were a gift from the Queen, they were commemorative, and that the Queen could give whatever she wanted to as gifts. He had to admit I was right about that. hahahaha The medals were given out for the silver, golden, diamond and platinum Jubilees. Hence Prince William has 3 as he was alive for 3 Jubilees Prince Harry has 4 medals as he also has a medal for being in active service in Afghanistan.
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Post by mom on Sept 18, 2022 16:07:23 GMT
I must say, whatever my thoughts are on Prince Andrew, it was his statement that made me cry. It felt so heartfelt. Also, Prince Harry had the ER cypher taken off the epaulettes on his military uniform that he wore at the vigil. He was said to be furious as Prince Andrew still had them on his uniform. I feel that this confusion of the uniform is the only thing that has cast any shadow on the otherwise immaculate events so far. I agree. I was under the impression that Harry was only able to wear the ER because he was a Personal Aide of the Queen but he gave that up when he stepped away but Andrew was able to wear the ER because he was a Vice Admiral and he didn't lose that when he was shelved. Am I wrong in thinking this?
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 16:18:06 GMT
I must say, whatever my thoughts are on Prince Andrew, it was his statement that made me cry. It felt so heartfelt. Also, Prince Harry had the ER cypher taken off the epaulettes on his military uniform that he wore at the vigil. He was said to be furious as Prince Andrew still had them on his uniform. I feel that this confusion of the uniform is the only thing that has cast any shadow on the otherwise immaculate events so far. I agree. I was under the impression that Harry was only able to wear the ER because he was a Personal Aide de Camp of the Queen but he gave that up when he stepped away but Andrew was able to wear the ER because he was a Vice Admiral and he didn't lose that when he was shelved. Am I wrong in thinking this? I did hear that Prince Andrew could wear the uniform at the vigil because he still was Vice Admiral, and that Prince Harry couldn’t because he is no longer a working Royal and ex servicemen aren’t allowed to wear the uniform. Today was the first I heard about the ER cypher on the uniform. This is why the whole funeral has been planned for decades. The talk should be about the Queen, not Prince Harry. We don’t know if he was furious or not, but because of the inconsistency that’s what the papers are reporting. They are saying that he was going to go back to wearing morning suit because he felt so humiliated. If the papers hadn’t reported I don’t think anyone would have noticed the lack of the cypher.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 16:45:52 GMT
This is why the whole funeral has been planned for decades. The talk should be about the Queen, not Prince Harry. We don’t know if he was furious or not, but because of the inconsistency that’s what the papers are reporting. They are saying that he was going to go back to wearing morning suit because he felt so humiliated. If the papers hadn’t reported I don’t think anyone would have noticed the lack of the cypher. That's my point - who would know all these things about Harry - except Harry & Meghan? It's very clear that these two are continuing to leak their stories to the media in order to gain sympathy and to make the rest of the family look bad. I saw no comment about the epaulettes until the story of how "devastated" Harry was There's also the story about the state reception, Meghan's social media mouthpiece (Omid Scobie) announced they were going (how would he know unless someone told him?) then palace spokesperson clarified and said it was only for working royals and bam! stories in the media about how Harry was uninvited and how upset he was to find out. All those people there and only stories about someone complaining how badly they've been treated - are all from Harry. These two are professional victims and they try to manipulate the family by leaking their grievances to the media. The Queen literally got up out of her death bed to greet the new Prime Minister, Camilla is hobbling around on a broken toe, Charles has done what feels like 100 engagements in the last week - and Harry wants us to feel sorry for him because he didn't get his little patches on his pretend uniform? Please.
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 17:20:55 GMT
This is why the whole funeral has been planned for decades. The talk should be about the Queen, not Prince Harry. We don’t know if he was furious or not, but because of the inconsistency that’s what the papers are reporting. They are saying that he was going to go back to wearing morning suit because he felt so humiliated. If the papers hadn’t reported I don’t think anyone would have noticed the lack of the cypher. That's my point - who would know all these things about Harry - except Harry & Meghan? It's very clear that these two are continuing to leak their stories to the media in order to gain sympathy and to make the rest of the family look bad. I saw no comment about the epaulettes until the story of how "devastated" Harry was There's also the story about the state reception, Meghan's social media mouthpiece (Omid Scobie) announced they were going (how would he know unless someone told him?) then palace spokesperson clarified and said it was only for working royals and bam! stories in the media about how Harry was uninvited and how upset he was to find out. All those people there and only stories about someone complaining how badly they've been treated - are all from Harry. These two are professional victims and they try to manipulate the family by leaking their grievances to the media. The Queen literally got up out of her death bed to greet the new Prime Minister, Camilla is hobbling around on a broken toe, Charles has done what feels like 100 engagements in the last week - and Harry wants us to feel sorry for him because he didn't get his little patches on his pretend uniform? Please. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but since I asked fellow peas not to be negative about the Royal Family on this thread, I don’t feel that I want to get in to a debate about Harry and Megan. This thread for me is to be positive about our monarchy and discuss all the ins and outs of something that none of us have experienced before. It’s to be in awe at the increasingly more famous Queue! (Yes I meant Queue not Queen), it’s a whole story in itself! Be amazed at how well King Charles and indeed Camilla have dealt with all they have had to do in the last few days and be in awe of the Queen’s children and grandchildren at how amazing they have been. And also to grieve for our lovely Queen. If after the funeral, and when tomorrow is over, there is a separate thread talking about Harry and Meghan I will most definitely join in!
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Post by wellway on Sept 18, 2022 17:29:06 GMT
joelise did you know The Queue has its own Wikipedia entry?
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 17:30:02 GMT
The door was opened by you about the negative press Harry is getting & I added my opinion...you of course are free to disagree but you are not free to try to censor people's replies . Just because you start a thread you do not get to dictate what people can or can't post. Thanks for the handslap...but we all get to post what we want.
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Post by oh yvonne on Sept 18, 2022 17:56:08 GMT
Isn’t it moving seeing all the “common” people (of which I am one, commoner not visitor) stopping at the catafalque and bowing or curtsying. I’m so glad people aren’t just filing past like gawpers; everyone seems genuinely moved. I saw footage of a very old man in a wheelchair wearing one of those colorful Union Jack suits (do those have a name?) and hat slowly and cautiously stand before her and bow. It was so touching I cried.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 18, 2022 18:51:30 GMT
The grandRoyals were all so stoic around Her Majesty’s coffin. They put on such brave faces. I would have lost it. I am sure the Queen was adoring granny to all of them.
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Post by mom on Sept 18, 2022 19:15:25 GMT
Did you see the Native American (Indigious Person) in the Queue? I saw it on Tik Tok and was just moved by seeing him.
https://www.tiktok.com/@glasgowprince/video/7144436007448907014
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 18, 2022 19:48:56 GMT
did you know The Queue has its own Wikipedia entry? Did you see the Native American (Indigious Person) in the Queue? I saw it on Tik Tok and was just moved by seeing him. Love these little bits! Thanks for sharing! The uniforms. It's all been rather interesting to me and I understand why people who have invested a lot of meaning into British symbols have such strong feelings about them. But I don't have those associations and therefore I don't have the accompanying emotions. Therefore, I was surprised just how glad I was to see both Harry and Andrew in uniform for their respective vigils. For those few minutes, both men were able to rise to their very best to show respect for their mother/grandmother. Goal accomplished! If either of these men or their families have particular issues with the details, keeping their lips zipped would do the most to honor the Queen.
In the words of Disney.... "Let it go. Let it go..." (Or maybe I'm just wishing on a star.)
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 21:17:21 GMT
The door was opened by you about the negative press Harry is getting & I added my opinion...you of course are free to disagree but you are not free to try to censor people's replies . Just because you start a thread you do not get to dictate what people can or can't post. Thanks for the handslap...but we all get to post what we want. I’m sorry that you feel that I hand slapped, this was not my intention. I tried to explain, how I didn’t want this thread to turn into a negative thread. Anyone is free to say what they want to say. I was trying to say that there are many things you say that I do agree with, but just not right now. Can we please have this conversation after I have mourned for my monarch. I have no problem with anyone posting anything. I was responding to you, explaining why I didn’t go deeper with my feelings about Harry and Megan, as I personally didn’t think that this was the time. I do not have a problem with what you say, I do not mean anything malicious. I haven’t posted that much on this forum as I don’t want to argue with anyone. I post now because of my love for the Royal Family and how much they mean to me.
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Post by joelise on Sept 18, 2022 22:49:43 GMT
It’s been announced that Prince George and Princess Charlotte will attend their grandmother’s funeral.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 23:15:31 GMT
Can we please have this conversation after I have mourned for my monarch. The short answer is no. You happened to start the main thread about the Queen dying that most people posted on, but what gets posted here is not in your control. Are you mourning the Queen or the whole Royal family? because only one person died and as far as I've seen everyone has been nothing but complimentary about her. You're being pretty childish about people only saying what you personally want to hear - the world doesn't work like that. So again, thanks for the attempt at emotional manipulation, but I'll keep saying what I think...and you are free to ignore all of it.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 18, 2022 23:27:14 GMT
did you know The Queue has its own Wikipedia entry? Did you see the Native American (Indigious Person) in the Queue? I saw it on Tik Tok and was just moved by seeing him. Love these little bits! Thanks for sharing! The uniforms. It's all been rather interesting to me and I understand why people who have invested a lot of meaning into British symbols have such strong feelings about them. But I don't have those associations and therefore I don't have the accompanying emotions. Therefore, I was surprised just how glad I was to see both Harry and Andrew in uniform for their respective vigils. For those few minutes, both men were able to rise to their very best to show respect for their mother/grandmother.Goal accomplished! If either of these men or their families have particular issues with the details, keeping their lips zipped would do the most to honor the Queen.
In the words of Disney.... "Let it go. Let it go..." (Or maybe I'm just wishing on a star.)
That is a lovely sentiment. I agree
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Post by pjaye on Sept 18, 2022 23:34:47 GMT
I'm happy to hear that George and Charlotte will be walking behind the coffin and attending the funeral - their great-grandmother lived a long, happy & successful life, and while many people are sad that she has died - this is no tragedy, it's the inevitable ending to a life well lived. So I think letting them be a part of the rituals that surround death will be healthy for them, plus this is such a big moment in history, they should be a part of it. I have been surprised how many people have said that the children shouldn't be at funerals, I don't agree at all.
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Post by mom on Sept 19, 2022 2:01:38 GMT
I'm happy to hear that George and Charlotte will be walking behind the coffin and attending the funeral - their great-grandmother lived a long, happy & successful life, and while many people are sad that she has died - this is no tragedy, it's the inevitable ending to a life well lived. So I think letting them be a part of the rituals that surround death will be healthy for them, plus this is such a big moment in history, they should be a part of it. I have been surprised how many people have said that the children shouldn't be at funerals, I don't agree at all. While normally I don't have an issue with kids being at funerals --- I am glad they have shielded the younger Royals thus far. I've always appreciated how William & Catherine have given the public 'just enough' of the kids without withholding them all together but also not giving so much that the kids are harassed and plastered everywhere. I am glad to see the older Cambridge kids coming, especially with George being a future King.
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