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Post by amp on Sept 8, 2022 15:29:28 GMT
I unfortunately think based on what information has already been announced she has passed, and protocol is being followed. I hope I am incorrect. But why would BP say she is "under medical supervision and resting comfortably" if she has already passed? And why is Kate not there?
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Post by mom on Sept 8, 2022 15:31:34 GMT
I unfortunately think based on what information has already been announced she has passed, and protocol is being followed. I hope I am incorrect. But why would BP say she is "under medical supervision and resting comfortably" if she has already passed? And why is Kate not there? That information was given out a few hours ago (now). Its quiet possible she has died and they are waiting to announce it all publicly. And Kate has always put her children first. I would not be surprised if she chose to stay with them for when the news becomes public. All of her children, but especially the older two, have had a relationship with The Queen. Im sure she would want to be with them. Edited to add: If Buckingham Palace or Clarence House thought that the news were over stating The Queens medical situation, they would have them back down. But they aren't. That is telling.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 8, 2022 15:32:26 GMT
I unfortunately think based on what information has already been announced she has passed, and protocol is being followed. I hope I am incorrect. But why would BP say she is "under medical supervision and resting comfortably" if she has already passed? And why is Kate not there? I think Kate would stay to pick the children up from school and tell them herself. Royalty aside, they’re still young kids who just lost a family member they were close to, they need their mom right now. And Kate and William are by all accounts more hands on than other members of the royal family. I think they had to say something to explain all of the family heading to Balmoral. That many family members cancelling engagements and traveling together isn’t going to go unnoticed.
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Post by gar on Sept 8, 2022 15:36:04 GMT
Edited to add: If Buckingham Palace or Clarence House thought that the news were over stating The Queens medical situation, they would have them back down. But they aren't. That is telling. The statement was from the Palace not from a news outlet.
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Post by amp on Sept 8, 2022 15:39:07 GMT
Good points about Kate wanting to be with the children when it is announced. Wow. This is sad, but unfortunately, inevitable. I'd always thought she would live as long as her mother, but I think Philip's passing last year was very, very hard on her.
I also think Charles will rise to the occasion and be a good king.
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Post by mom on Sept 8, 2022 15:39:40 GMT
Edited to add: If Buckingham Palace or Clarence House thought that the news were over stating The Queens medical situation, they would have them back down. But they aren't. That is telling. The statement was from the Palace not from a news outlet. I realize that. Im saying that after the announcement came out, if the News outlets were reading too much into the announcement, then they would have leaked more info about what was really happening. The fact that no one is telling the News that they are overblowing the situation is somewhat a hint that they are agreeing with the news that its really that bad.
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Post by amp on Sept 8, 2022 15:49:52 GMT
The statement was from the Palace not from a news outlet. I realize that. Im saying that after the announcement came out, if the News outlets were reading too much into the announcement, then they would have leaked more info about what was really happening. The fact that no one is telling the News that they are overblowing the situation is somewhat a hint that they are agreeing with the news that its really that bad. Agreed. I hope Megan can support Prince (soon to be King) Charles for the good of everyone and quit badmouthing him. FWIW, I think it was Phillip who wondered about the color of Archie before he was born because Philip was cheeky like that...I don't think it was Charles.
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Post by iluvpink on Sept 8, 2022 15:52:13 GMT
If she has passed I would think that they haven't announced it yet as I imagine they want to have the close family members (esp senior royals) with her to pay their respects as a family etc before announcing it to the public. Also for the less senior royals and royal adjacent family members to get their plans in place etc.
As for Kate, her children are young and this is a family member. Also it's their first day of school at a new school. So already stressful. She's clearly a very caring mom and would want to make sure her children are not stressed even more than they already are with the beginning of the school year.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 8, 2022 15:52:53 GMT
Harry and Meghan on their way
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Post by mom on Sept 8, 2022 15:53:43 GMT
Harry and Meghan on their way CNN just corrected themselves and said Meghan isn't actually going. Just Harry. So who knows?
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Post by joelise on Sept 8, 2022 16:00:19 GMT
I don't necessarily think this is the end, or else Kate would have her parents stay with the children as they start school and go with William. Maybe (and this is just a huge guess) she just wanted to turn over the monarchy to Charles and is briefing the family, letting them in on a few decisions? And she can brief them on things she wants them to do (e.g., Harry, please, for the love of God, can you and Megan talk about something other than our family?) I believe that she has already gone. There are many people that need to hear about her dying before the British public. Contrary to popular belief the British press do have codes of conduct regarding reporting on the Royal family. This coverage on our TV is unprecedented.
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Post by bessieb on Sept 8, 2022 16:02:54 GMT
Not that this means anything ( perhaps someone just covering all circumstances)but we have just received an email telling us when the church bells are to be rung in the event of the death of a Monarch and the protocol for the 10 days beyond
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 16:04:04 GMT
Not that this means anything ( perhaps someone just covering all circumstances)but we have just received an email telling us when the church bells are to be rung in the event of the death of a Monarch and the protocol for the 10 days beyond Oh, that sounds ominous, and not just a coincidence.
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 16:05:06 GMT
Is it true that Charles will already be installed as king before it is announced that she has died (if indeed she has!)
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Post by mom on Sept 8, 2022 16:07:28 GMT
Is it true that Charles will already be installed as king before it is announced that she has died (if indeed she has!) Yes, that is correct from what I have read. CNN is reporting there will be no Changing of the Guards tomorrow. Though, it could be for other reasons, but Buckingham Palace isn't elaborating.
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 16:08:58 GMT
Yes, that is correct from what I have read. Thanks! LIke I said earlier, I only know that from watching The Crown, so I wasn't sure if that was the real protocol. It does make sense though.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 8, 2022 16:11:29 GMT
Is it true that Charles will already be installed as king before it is announced that she has died (if indeed she has!) He becomes King the instant she dies. He will be officially crowned some time later.
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 16:13:18 GMT
Is it true that Charles will already be installed as king before it is announced that she has died (if indeed she has!) He becomes King the instant she dies. He will be officially crowned some time later. Oh, ok! So there is no official anything until the crowning? Thanks!
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Post by wellway on Sept 8, 2022 16:13:39 GMT
Is it true that Charles will already be installed as king before it is announced that she has died (if indeed she has!) He becomes King the instant she dies. He will be officially crowned some time later. Hence the proclamation, The Queen is dead, Long live the King.
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Post by iluvpink on Sept 8, 2022 16:15:29 GMT
Not that this means anything ( perhaps someone just covering all circumstances)but we have just received an email telling us when the church bells are to be rung in the event of the death of a Monarch and the protocol for the 10 days beyond Are you clergy or work for a church? Just curious.
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Post by bessieb on Sept 8, 2022 16:15:31 GMT
I understand that Prince Charles will address the nation on the evening of the day of the announcement
On our bell ringing guidelines we have been told to ring muffled bells ( at pre determined times depending on the timing of any announcement. They are then to remain muffled until the day that the palace when the palace proclaims the new monarch when they are to be rung un-muffled (open) in celebration. They are then to be muffled again until the state funeral - 10 days after announcement.
None of this is privileged information - the brief outline plans for “London Bridge has fallen” are in the public domain
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Post by bessieb on Sept 8, 2022 16:17:00 GMT
Not that this means anything ( perhaps someone just covering all circumstances)but we have just received an email telling us when the church bells are to be rung in the event of the death of a Monarch and the protocol for the 10 days beyond Are you clergy or work for a church? Just curious. No not “churchy” at all- just ring bells as a hobby
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Post by iluvpink on Sept 8, 2022 16:17:50 GMT
He becomes King the instant she dies. He will be officially crowned some time later. Oh, ok! So there is no official anything until the crowning? Thanks! I believe there are announcements in parliament and papers etc, but no official public ceremonies etc.
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Post by mom on Sept 8, 2022 16:19:03 GMT
CNN is reporting that everyone is there, except Harry. He is driving in and it will be awhile longer still.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 8, 2022 16:20:00 GMT
He becomes King the instant she dies. He will be officially crowned some time later. Oh, ok! So there is no official anything until the crowning? Thanks! TBH I don't recall totally but I believe there are various meetings, declarations etc. legally confirming his accession but he is absolutely King the moment she dies. The coronation could be months away, it doesn't have to happen quickly.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 8, 2022 16:23:29 GMT
bessieb does that apply to all Churches or just those within, for example, Westminster?
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Post by Just T on Sept 8, 2022 16:24:32 GMT
Oh, ok! So there is no official anything until the crowning? Thanks! TBH I don't recall totally but I believe there are various meetings, declarations etc. legally confirming his accession but he is absolutely King the moment she dies. The coronation could be months away, it doesn't have to happen quickly.WI did know that. I just wasn't sure if there is some other "swearing in" type thing that has to be done before he is officially king.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 8, 2022 16:24:54 GMT
CNN just said Harry was in one of the SUVs pulling into Balmoral. Separate from William.
ETA: Harry is not there yet.
Andrew and Edward are in the same car that William is driving..
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Post by bessieb on Sept 8, 2022 16:26:36 GMT
bessieb does that apply to all Churches or just those within, for example, Westminster? All churches except St Paul’s Cathedral and Westminster abbey. But not all churches have bell towers or a ringing band
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Post by gillyp on Sept 8, 2022 16:29:01 GMT
TBH I don't recall totally but I believe there are various meetings, declarations etc. legally confirming his accession but he is absolutely King the moment she dies. The coronation could be months away, it doesn't have to happen quickly.WI did know that. I just wasn't sure if there is some other "swearing in" type thing that has to be done before he is officially king. I've just dug this out from Google "The Accession Council – a special meeting of the Privy Council functioning as a modern version of the Anglo-Saxon Witan - is summoned as soon as practicable after the death of a Sovereign and consists of two Parts. In Part I the Council meets without the new monarch and with a specially augmented membership (for example to include Commonwealth High Commissioners from those countries – the Realms – where the new Sovereign is head of state). Receiving the monarch’s preference for the new regnal name, it issues a Proclamation witnessing and declaring the fact of the new Sovereign’s lawful assumption of the throne. Shortly afterwards, the new King attends Part II (which is attended by Privy Counsellors alone) where he makes a personal declaration of commitment to support of the constitution and swears a statutory oath in support of the Church of Scotland. (A similar oath in support of the Church of England is sworn by him at the coronation)." So that's the official/legal confirmation.
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