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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 15:03:42 GMT
I recently turned 50 along with the rest of my graduating class. I have a friend from school that I've kept in close touch with, and she is really struggling with aging and the fact that - as she says - middle-aged women who look their age are "invisible."
This bothers me not at all, but as I said to her, I've never conformed to society's standards of what a perfect woman should look like, so I've been effectively "invisible" all my life. It's never bothered me. I have ways of being "seen" when I want to be, for characteristics other than my appearance, and sliding through life unnoticed the rest of the time is actually quite nice.
She, on the other hand, has spend a lot of time and energy over the years maintaining a very fit and thin body. She's tall and blond and I gather she's gotten a lot of attention for her appearance, which she now feels is apt to wane as she develops some normal facial signs of aging. I will say that by anyone's standards, she looks great for her/our age, and I don't think she has anything to worry about.
I'm interested in hearing others' perspectives on this. Do you feel as you age that you've become less visible in society? Does it bother you? If so, what steps do you take to reduce signs of aging and stay "visible?"
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 3, 2023 15:16:30 GMT
About 10 years ago (so I was 35ish) I needed to return a shirt I had bought at the store Express. My husband was with me. I asked the sales clerk, who happened to be male, a question, and he turned to my husband and answered him. I asked a follow up, and he did it again, and then again. The entire (probably 10 minute) transaction was completed without him ever looking at me and speaking, even though I was the one who bought and returned the shirt.
I walked out of that store and said to my husband that it was the weirdest experience I’d ever had. He hadn’t even noticed. 😂🤷🏼♀️
Since then I’ve been more aware of it, but that still stands out as the one time I can definitely say I was invisible.
The introverted part of me loves the idea of being invisible. The feminist in me resents the idea that I have to work at being “attractive” in order for my relevance to remain, while my husband just gets to exist.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 3, 2023 15:19:44 GMT
I am uncomfortable being visible (the introvert that I am) so I am fine if I am invisible.
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Post by inkedup on Feb 3, 2023 15:24:23 GMT
I'll be 46 at the end of this month.
I developed early (I was a C cup in 4th grade), and have suffered through A LOT of unwanted sexual attention because of that. I don't miss receiving that type of attention.
On the ever rare occasion that I am given attention, it's far more respectful than when I was younger.
I dont mind the invisibility of middle age.
I don't do anything like fillers or Botox to combat aging. My hair has few silver strands, but I'm sure I'll be besties with my hairdresser when the time comes.
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Post by Anita on Feb 3, 2023 15:28:14 GMT
I have always flown under the radar and been invisible. I've also never been overly attractive, so maybe I'm not the person to ask. But I do get comments that I look younger than I am because I have always taken very good care of my skin. I exercise, I eat well, I don't smoke, etc. However, I've done those things to stay healthy as I get older, not to maintain an image I never had. And they aren't saying it in a "oh, you're so pretty" kind of way. I've spent the last year letting my hair go gray, and I admit I struggled with it at first, but I've embraced the freedom from upkeep.
For me, I think the difficult part is society's persistent messaging that aging is bad, especially for women. There are subtle and not subtle ways people have started to treat me differently since I hit my 50s, such as finding it more difficult to get waited on in places. I have even had to talk to my kids about them treating me like I'm a frail old woman sometimes. Sheesh. I'm 52, not 90!
Despite the negatives, I am also far more confident at this stage in my life, and I will speak up if people piss me off with their ageist crap. So I figure it's kind of a balance.
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Post by tmarschall on Feb 3, 2023 15:32:00 GMT
This is a interesting question. I've probably always been invisible to certain people, and in certain settings -- on the rare occasion in my 20's as a chubby girl in a bar for one! I have noticed in the last few years that I'm treated more like someone's mom than an older sister (I teach college, so I'm around young people a lot). But I don't usually feel invisible. I have a quirky retro style and I like accessories, and I have bright red hair, all of which I get attention for. I also make eye contact and talk to strangers a lot. I'm pretty approachable. There are tunes when I'd be happy to fade into the woodwork, but i don't think I do, most of the time. I will say that I wouldn't be particularly bothered by losing men's attention now that I am married, but I don't think I would like feeling invisible to everyone.
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Post by katlady on Feb 3, 2023 15:32:51 GMT
Being an introvert, I usually don’t mind being “invisible.” I’ve stopped coloring my hair, and the grey is now showing, but I am fine with that. I have no plans for anything like Botox or plastic surgery. I still work out and keep in shape, but that is for health reasons, not to get attention. I feel like I am aging gracefully.
Probably the only time I really feel “invisible” is in big group situations. Being petite and soft spoken, I often feel like I am on the sidelines. But, that has nothing to do with how I look, just my personality.
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Post by guzismom on Feb 3, 2023 15:35:55 GMT
As long as I'm not invisible to the people in my life~~hubby, daughters~~I'm ok. I'm not above being assertive when, on the rare occasions I can't/won't be invisible, people are treating me that way.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 3, 2023 15:46:18 GMT
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you think you are invisible now---wait until you are past 65. You then become really invisible.
I was also invisible when I had a toddler accompanying me in the stores etc.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 3, 2023 15:49:03 GMT
I have spent a long time cultivating a personality that makes me very visible so I don't think I've ever allowed myself to be the kind of person who is admired for any kind of beauty standard. I think it goes way back to my childhood. We were poor and my parents didn't spend money on things like clothing and such so I was never able to conform like that. I also have bipolar disorder with a lot of mania and I wasn't medicated until I was 26 so I didn't have good control over myself. I made a real name for myself as the person who pretty much pushed the limits of societal norms. I think this combination of things really shaped who I am as a person and people's perceptions of who I am. No one would ever accuse me of being a wallflower. So I think my personality is probably what most people would isolate as memorable about me.
With that said, maybe it's just my own perception of myself. I'm not the sort to think about how other people look. And I'm not afraid to approach the stranger who is quietly hanging back from the group either. And I have always sought to remember people by how they made me feel. When I'm evaluating my own behavior I hope that people feel like I was warm toward them and put them at ease. This is my focus and I think this may be a matter of perception.
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Post by DEX on Feb 3, 2023 15:52:41 GMT
For about 15 years I was morbidly obese and I was over 60. Talk about being invisible! . Now, I am 72 and average weight so I have been invisible for a long time. I am also an introvert so I don't mind. I would really like to have a Harry Potter invisibility cloak.
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Post by purplebee on Feb 3, 2023 15:56:35 GMT
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you think you are invisible now---wait until you are past 65. You then become really invisible. I was also invisible when I had a toddler accompanying me in the stores etc. Yep! I’m 71, but I am pretty happy flying under the radar at this stage of my life. However, I am (was - my avatar represents my younger days, haven’t gotten around to changing it) a redhead, which always garnered more attention than I liked. I am now fading gracefully (I hope) into the light strawberry blonde phase so my hair is not the attention-getter it used to be! I’m not afraid to stand up for myself, so I think I do ok. Now politically, being a blue dot in a tidal wave of red has also made me stand out. I don’t bring up political stuff, but I don’t back down either.
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 3, 2023 15:56:42 GMT
A friend and I have this discussion all the time. I've been seen as cute on my best day...I've never been a head turner, and it's usually my mouth that gets me noticed. My other friend is the same way. We have a friend who is a tall, leggy blonde with big boobs. She's always been a head turner. She's about to turn 60 and the years are catching up with her. Don't get me wrong, she still looks great, but she now looks 50s rather than 40s and she isn't turning heads as much anymore. It's really bothering her and all she can talk about. It makes me thankful I've always been rather invisible, because while sometimes I hate to see my mom in the mirror staring back at me, I'm not missing the attention I never got from either sex. I think it really makes aging easier.
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Post by snyder on Feb 3, 2023 16:00:43 GMT
Being overweight all my life, I definitely was invisible, but on the flipside, I had lines out my office door as I was the go to person that could solve everyone's problem. lol There was days I wish my name was not Debbie. Even the COO on ocassion say, go find Debbie, she'll know how to fix it. So, I am definitely not invisible when someone needs informaiton or advice. Even now that I'm retired, I have people calling all the time needing help with something in their business world. So the resentment I held due to people judging me for weight issues was totally reversed by the feeling of being needed and a vaulable rescource to others.
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Post by iowgirl on Feb 3, 2023 16:03:33 GMT
I've always flow under the radar, and I like it that way. My husband was with me. I asked the sales clerk, who happened to be male, a question, and he turned to my husband and answered him. I asked a follow up, and he did it again, and then again The entire (probably 10 minute) transaction was completed without him ever looking at me and speaking, even though I was the one who bought and returned the shirt. I walked out of that store and said to my husband that it was the weirdest experience I’d ever had. He hadn’t even noticed. 😂🤷🏼♀️ Oh - nothing NOTHING pisses me off more! When we first came back to the farm, I had insurance agents and other people do this to me. Or flat out ask if my husband can come in, or if it was "OK" with my husband. WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING HELL! My husband was really surprised, and he did start to notice it more. I told him I either get treated like I am not there, or if I do say anything, I am a "bitch"... and I told him be prepared for a bitch and my girls would be raised as bitches too. LOL Now when someone condescendingly asks him the question. He just says Why are you asking me?
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Post by gar on Feb 3, 2023 16:08:24 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Linda on Feb 3, 2023 16:14:03 GMT
I've always flow under the radar, and I like it that way. My husband was with me. I asked the sales clerk, who happened to be male, a question, and he turned to my husband and answered him. I asked a follow up, and he did it again, and then again The entire (probably 10 minute) transaction was completed without him ever looking at me and speaking, even though I was the one who bought and returned the shirt. I walked out of that store and said to my husband that it was the weirdest experience I’d ever had. He hadn’t even noticed. 😂🤷🏼♀️ Oh - nothing NOTHING pisses me off more! When we first came back to the farm, I had insurance agents and other people do this to me. Or flat out ask if my husband can come in, or if it was "OK" with my husband. WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING HELL! My husband was really surprised, and he did start to notice it more. I told him I either get treated like I am not there, or if I do say anything, I am a "bitch"... and I told him be prepared for a bitch and my girls would be raised as bitches too. LOL Now when someone condescendingly asks him the question. He just says Why are you asking me? That's the only type of situation where I've really felt invisible - dealing with (male) tradespeople who defer to my husband and ignore me. It was very obvious with the dishwasher repair man recently - he looked directly at my husband and asked him about what the issues were...DH has many skills but running a dishwasher isn't one of them so he would turn to me and ask me to explain...and then the repair man would ask DH any followup questions. or the guys who come (unsolicted) to the door to ask if my husband is selling [one of the vehicles] - in our situation as I don't drive, they are ALL his but no random stranger would know that. But age wise? I don't feel any more or less invisible than I ever have. I'm 52, greying naturally, overweight (but down 65lbs from my highest), don't wear makeup, and dress for comfort. If anything, aging is making me more comfortable in my own skin and less worried about what other people think of me
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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 16:22:38 GMT
I've always flow under the radar, and I like it that way. Oh - nothing NOTHING pisses me off more! When we first came back to the farm, I had insurance agents and other people do this to me. Or flat out ask if my husband can come in, or if it was "OK" with my husband. WHAT IN THE EVER LOVING HELL! My husband was really surprised, and he did start to notice it more. I told him I either get treated like I am not there, or if I do say anything, I am a "bitch"... and I told him be prepared for a bitch and my girls would be raised as bitches too. LOL Now when someone condescendingly asks him the question. He just says Why are you asking me? That's the only type of situation where I've really felt invisible - dealing with (male) tradespeople who defer to my husband and ignore me. It was very obvious with the dishwasher repair man recently - he looked directly at my husband and asked him about what the issues were...DH has many skills but running a dishwasher isn't one of them so he would turn to me and ask me to explain...and then the repair man would ask DH any followup questions. or the guys who come (unsolicted) to the door to ask if my husband is selling [one of the vehicles] - in our situation as I don't drive, they are ALL his but no random stranger would know that. But age wise? I don't feel any more or less invisible than I ever have. I'm 52, greying naturally, overweight (but down 65lbs from my highest), don't wear makeup, and dress for comfort. If anything, aging is making me more comfortable in my own skin and less worried about what other people think of meAbsolutely. This is such a benefit of being the age we are, IMO. I hate that anyone is missing out on it. I totally get what some are saying about male salespeople speaking to your husband instead of you, though I can't say I've run across that in a while, personally. We just had a new washer installed and the guys who came were asking me all the questions and had me check to make sure I was happy with it, which is actually kind of funny because DH does the laundry at our house.
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Post by iowgirl on Feb 3, 2023 16:23:00 GMT
That's the only type of situation where I've really felt invisible - dealing with (male) tradespeople who defer to my husband and ignore me. I am finding that the younger males I deal with, for the most part, no longer do this as much. That, or they got the hint about me being a bitch. LOL Small town.
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Post by maryland on Feb 3, 2023 16:23:07 GMT
I have not had that experience and I don't think my husband has either. When we are in a craft store (for me) or an automotive store (for him) together and ask a question, the sales people had done a great job at looking at both of us to answer. That would be so frustrating to be ignored when you don't want to be ignored.
My mom needed to buy a new car a few years ago. The first place they went to, the salesperson didn't look at my mom at all, just my dad. And they said the car was for my mom, so they should have addressed her. They left and did not buy a car from that dealership. The next dealership spoke to my mom when she told him the car was for her. They bought a car from that salesperson.
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Post by busy on Feb 3, 2023 16:23:32 GMT
I guess I don’t feel invisible, though I’m about to turn 50 and am not especially attractive. I’m an extrovert and think I put out a approachable vibe so people of all genders talk to me pretty easily. It doesn’t really feel like there’s been much of a change over the years in how people interact with me. Or if there has been, I haven’t really noticed.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 3, 2023 16:26:36 GMT
I've heard a few other women say this or read about women who feel this way. But I am curious what type of attention these women think is missing? No matter how I looked I would not expect to have random guys hitting on me when I am over 30 as opposed to how it was when I was in my 20's and going to bars or in college. People mature and not many men in those age ranges are hitting on women the same way as when they were younger, either. Not to mention that that type of behavior is not as accepted now as it was 20+ years ago.
In general I think that how people respond to someone else is related more to that person's confidence and personality than looks alone, but they are often tied together. I've heard people say that they get a lot more attention after losing weight. I think that is more about their confidence and what they put out into the world than what they weigh. If you watch any weight loss show or follow people on YT that have lost weight, you can definitely see a difference in how they present themselves as they lose weight, so of course people are going to respond to that. I suppose the same could go for feeling confident overall, and as we age we may not cultivate that the same as when we were younger.
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 3, 2023 16:31:12 GMT
I’m 49 and don’t ever feel invisible. I’m also not sure what type of attention is missing. I don’t in general ever feel ignored or passed over. As an aside, I feel better now than I have in years.
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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 16:34:12 GMT
I've heard a few other women say this or read about women who feel this way. But I am curious what type of attention these women think is missing? No matter how I looked I would not expect to have random guys hitting on me when I am over 30 as opposed to how it was when I was in my 20's and going to bars or in college. People mature and not many men in those age ranges are hitting on women the same way as when they were younger, either. Not to mention that that type of behavior is not as accepted now as it was 20+ years ago. In general I think that how people respond to someone else is related more to that person's confidence and personality than looks alone, but they are often tied together. I've heard people say that they get a lot more attention after losing weight. I think that is more about their confidence and what they put out into the world than what they weigh. If you watch any weight loss show or follow people on YT that have lost weight, you can definitely see a difference in how they present themselves as they lose weight, so of course people are going to respond to that. I suppose the same could go for feeling confident overall, and as we age we may not cultivate that the same as when we were younger. I agree with this. I do think when you live in a larger body you have to try harder with clothes/hair/makeup for people to see you as "presentable." But overall, if I am friendly and pleasant with people, I almost always get the same in return - even when I'm wearing workout clothes and no makeup. Turning back to my friend for a second - she is a lovely, thoughtful, warm person, and a natural extrovert. She runs two businesses, has a loving husband, and has raised two wonderful boys, now teens. She doesn't lack for friends or for people who like her. I wish she didn't feel the way she does about showing a little age.
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Post by Linda on Feb 3, 2023 16:38:39 GMT
That's the only type of situation where I've really felt invisible - dealing with (male) tradespeople who defer to my husband and ignore me. I am finding that the younger males I deal with, for the most part, no longer do this as much. That, or they got the hint about me being a bitch. LOL Small town. I live in rural Florida where gender (and other) stereotypes are still alive and well.
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Post by scrappyesq on Feb 3, 2023 16:39:37 GMT
I don’t resent it but there are moments I miss being the person who turns heads. I’ve always been relatively in shape and I love fashion. When I was young and attention was inappropriate it made me uncomfortable. Then came those years where it was appropriate and I was ‘that girl’. It wasn’t that I needed validation but I would be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy those years. Even after I got married it would drive ex-dh nuts that other men would look at me. I never wanted disrespectful attention but it was nice to know that my outfit or my hair or my makeup was eye catching.
I’m turning 50 this year. I don’t want attention, I certainly get less of it (like none). I do struggle with the fact that I still love fashion and makeup, not everyone in my age range does. I end up feeling overdone with some of my peers because I do put in the effort. I don’t want to be the old lady in the club looking like she’s trying too hard but I also don’t want to let go of the things I love.
Aging sucks.
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Post by busy on Feb 3, 2023 16:41:23 GMT
I've heard a few other women say this or read about women who feel this way. But I am curious what type of attention these women think is missing? No matter how I looked I would not expect to have random guys hitting on me when I am over 30 as opposed to how it was when I was in my 20's and going to bars or in college. People mature and not many men in those age ranges are hitting on women the same way as when they were younger, either. Not to mention that that type of behavior is not as accepted now as it was 20+ years ago. In general I think that how people respond to someone else is related more to that person's confidence and personality than looks alone, but they are often tied together. I've heard people say that they get a lot more attention after losing weight. I think that is more about their confidence and what they put out into the world than what they weigh. If you watch any weight loss show or follow people on YT that have lost weight, you can definitely see a difference in how they present themselves as they lose weight, so of course people are going to respond to that. I suppose the same could go for feeling confident overall, and as we age we may not cultivate that the same as when we were younger. I agree with this. I do think when you live in a larger body you have to try harder with clothes/hair/makeup for people to see you as "presentable." But overall, if I am friendly and pleasant with people, I almost always get the same in return - even when I'm wearing workout clothes and no makeup. Turning back to my friend for a second - she is a lovely, thoughtful, warm person, and a natural extrovert. She runs two businesses, has a loving husband, and has raised two wonderful boys, now teens. She doesn't lack for friends or for people who like her. I wish she didn't feel the way she does about showing a little age. That’s a shame. Is it *actually* happening or is she worried that it will? Society definitely devalues aging women so I understand expecting that people will change how they treat her. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it always happens. She’s the same delightful person she’s always been and it’s likely people are attracted to her based on more than her appearance alone.
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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 16:46:27 GMT
I agree with this. I do think when you live in a larger body you have to try harder with clothes/hair/makeup for people to see you as "presentable." But overall, if I am friendly and pleasant with people, I almost always get the same in return - even when I'm wearing workout clothes and no makeup. Turning back to my friend for a second - she is a lovely, thoughtful, warm person, and a natural extrovert. She runs two businesses, has a loving husband, and has raised two wonderful boys, now teens. She doesn't lack for friends or for people who like her. I wish she didn't feel the way she does about showing a little age. That’s a shame. Is it *actually* happening or is she worried that it will? Society definitely devalues aging women so I understand expecting that people will change how they treat her. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it always happens. She’s the same delightful person she’s always been and it’s likely people are attracted to her based on more than her appearance alone. I'm honestly not sure if it's happening or if she's worried it will. My perspective is skewed, I admit - I identify strongly with the sort of matriarchal belief system that views older women as more powerful. I like being the age I am. I feel like I know what I'm doing and people are mostly reluctant to f*ck with me. But I see that not everyone has those kind of beliefs ingrained in them.
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 3, 2023 16:51:42 GMT
That’s a shame. Is it *actually* happening or is she worried that it will? Society definitely devalues aging women so I understand expecting that people will change how they treat her. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it always happens. She’s the same delightful person she’s always been and it’s likely people are attracted to her based on more than her appearance alone. I'm honestly not sure if it's happening or if she's worried it will. My perspective is skewed, I admit - I identify strongly with the sort of matriarchal belief system that views older women as more powerful. I like being the age I am. I feel like I know what I'm doing and people are mostly reluctant to f*ck with me. But I see that not everyone has those kind of beliefs ingrained in them. I agree with your perspective. I can understand and respect that others may feel it, but I don’t identify with “aging sucks”.
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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 16:53:59 GMT
I'm honestly not sure if it's happening or if she's worried it will. My perspective is skewed, I admit - I identify strongly with the sort of matriarchal belief system that views older women as more powerful. I like being the age I am. I feel like I know what I'm doing and people are mostly reluctant to f*ck with me. But I see that not everyone has those kind of beliefs ingrained in them. I agree with your perspective. I can understand and respect that others may feel it, but I don’t identify with “aging sucks”. I mean, there are certain things about it that suck (see my thread about kegels from last week). I also don't enjoy having my back decide to go into painful spasms like it did yesterday. But so far, the benefits seem to outweigh the drawbacks. You literally could not pay me to be 25 again.
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