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Post by whipea on Feb 4, 2023 0:30:42 GMT
This is interesting. I never heard of thinking you are invisible until I read it here. This thought never occurred to me and even in my late 60's I have never felt that way.
Though I am an introvert but have to be extroverted for work, I have always been very individual and independent and speak up when needed. Never depended on anyone to do things for me except when I was a child. Even then pretty self sufficient due to nature and nurture.
I was very slender until my early 50's then poofed up a tad, just average now. Plus, I never cared about the social expectations placed on women that many consider a high priority such as fashion, makeup, nails and hair coloring. Just do my own thing, am appropriate for the environment and have never noticed or cared if people paid attention to me or not.
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Post by Zee on Feb 4, 2023 1:19:19 GMT
I don't mind not getting hit on or cat calls anymore and it's nice to have the option to be invisible--I can leave off the makeup and put on glasses and a sweater and BANG I could rob a store blind lol.
But I get the not wanting to throw in the towel but also not wanting to look like I'm trying desperately to hang onto my youth. I just turned 51 and I simply want to look good, not have people think I'm trying to look young. I do get Botox and wear a full face to work and dye my hair and don't let my weight get too out of control (do have about 20 extra lbs right now that I could do without, it's winter, whatever). My wardrobe is pretty casual but not "old lady".
I will definitely get a (mini) face lift at some point. My young friends at work often compliment me on my makeup and nails and shoe game, (everything is coordinated with my scrubs) and when they tell me I look great they are kind enough to leave off "for your age" 🤭
ETA my age is somewhat of a bonus as a nurse. Everyone assumes I must definitely know what I'm talking about. I get respect from providers and patients that I didn't always get when I was a young pretty nurse. If I tell a Dr something, they generally always trust me if we're speaking in person and patients and their families usually accept what I say because I look like I've been doing this since the dawn of time and must know what I'm talking about. No one asks who the charge nurse is, they just come up to me because I'm about 20+ years older than all the rest of them on night shift. Now of course I could have finished nursing school last year, but in general middle age is not a hindrance in the medical field.
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Post by quinlove on Feb 4, 2023 3:02:15 GMT
I’ve lived in Texas for quite a while. Here it is very common for men to open doors for women. You just get used to this, it did not happen in the other 2 states that I lived in. Well, now lately - women have been opening doors for me ! Women between the ages of 30 to 50 usually. When this first started happening, I was shocked. Yikes, I AM getting old. (72) Although, I have gotten shorter and more frail.
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Post by busy on Feb 4, 2023 3:40:58 GMT
I’ve lived in Texas for quite a while. Here it is very common for men to open doors for women. You just get used to this, it did not happen in the other 2 states that I lived in. Well, now lately - women have been opening doors for me ! Women between the ages of 30 to 50 usually. When this first started happening, I was shocked. Yikes, I AM getting old. (72) Although, I have gotten shorter and more frail. I open/hold doors for people regardless of age or gender. It’s just polite IMO. I wouldn’t read too much into it
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 4, 2023 6:08:16 GMT
When I was younger I was considered cute but not pretty, if that makes sense. I did get unwanted attention back in those days even long after I was married and I never had to try too hard. I’m the type of person who WANTS to be invisible for the most part. I like moving through life unnoticed so people won’t bug me and so I can get stuff done in the quickest, most efficient way possible. I don’t like chatting up random strangers, don’t like unnecessary conversation or small talk, so blending in works for me.
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Post by jackietex on Feb 4, 2023 9:44:28 GMT
I enjoy the freedom that goes along with being invisible.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 4, 2023 13:16:58 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever felt invisible. I’m not sure why this happens or why people feel this way. I think it’s perhaps more about how we feel about ourselves than how other people really see us. Could that be?
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Post by Merge on Feb 4, 2023 13:40:30 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever felt invisible. I’m not sure why this happens or why people feel this way. I think it’s perhaps more about how we feel about ourselves than how other people really see us. Could that be? I do think it comes down, at least for some people, to not receiving random sexual attention. I never experienced that kind of attention on a day to day basis as a younger woman, so I don't miss it now in later life. Another thought - my friend has in the past been pretty vocal about any weight loss/exercise efforts she undertook (always just to lose a few pounds put on over the holidays - she's never been overweight), and has been a big adherent of diet culture. She has received positive attention for her lifelong discipline in that area, and might be suffering a bit in our more body-positive society. She is perhaps now not as openly admired or envied by other women for her slim figure as she used to be as we mostly mind our own business a bit more about body sizes these days. I don't mean that as uncharitably as it sounds. She truly is a lovely person. But I imagine if you've been continually complimented on something for which you've worked hard, and then that thing seems not to matter much to others any more, you would feel a loss.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 4, 2023 14:17:20 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever felt invisible. I’m not sure why this happens or why people feel this way. I think it’s perhaps more about how we feel about ourselves than how other people really see us. Could that be? No, after having read anecdotes on the topic over the years, I think some people actually do get overlooked and are outright ignored especially in certain situations. I can see where it would be frustrating especially when you need to get something done and the salespeople are talking to everybody but you and you are the one holding the sack of cash. Here’s a good example (and not just because I’m a woman because both times I was with my DH and he was equally ignored). At one point years and years ago when we were young and broke, we wanted to buy some stereo equipment. We went into Best Buy (this was before our lifetime ban went into effect on that store) after work one day in our work clothes (read: not fancy) and we’re looking at the various components trying to decide what we wanted for our apartment. DH had money from his birthday and I had money from a work bonus so we had a good amount of cash earmarked for this purchase. We walked around and around and around and we kept trying to flag someone down but none of the salespeople would even give us the time of day. We ended up leaving without making a purchase. Fast forward several months later and we were attending the wedding of a friend. It was one of those deals where the wedding was early but the reception wasn’t until much later, and we were way on the other side of town. We had a few hours to kill but didn’t want to drive all the way home only to have to turn around and come all the way back, so we looked for somewhere to go for a while. We drove around and saw this mall with a Best Buy so we went in. The second we walked through the door, the salespeople were on us like flies, falling all over themselves trying to help us. The literal only difference between the two situations was that in one we were wearing sorry ass work clothes and the other we were all dressed up to the nines for this wedding. We still ended up not buying anything just on principle. We didn’t have any more or less money either time, but when we had the *appearance* of having money, only then would anyone give us any assistance and we both thought that was crap customer service. I can also say that after having worked at a bank for 8 years, I knew how much money people had in their accounts with that bank. It wasn’t uncommon for the people who dressed very plainly (especially with older people) to have a LOT of money in the bank while those who came in repeatedly wondering why they had gotten yet another overdraft charge usually didn’t look as broke as they actually were.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 4, 2023 15:32:18 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever felt invisible. I’m not sure why this happens or why people feel this way. I think it’s perhaps more about how we feel about ourselves than how other people really see us. Could that be? I do think it comes down, at least for some people, to not receiving random sexual attention. I never experienced that kind of attention on a day to day basis as a younger woman, so I don't miss it now in later life. Another thought - my friend has in the past been pretty vocal about any weight loss/exercise efforts she undertook (always just to lose a few pounds put on over the holidays - she's never been overweight), and has been a big proponent of diet culture. She has received positive attention for her lifelong discipline in that area, and might be suffering a bit in our more body-positive society. She is perhaps now not as openly admired or envied by other women for her slim figure as she used to be as we mostly mind our own business a bit more about body sizes these days. I don't mean that as uncharitably as it sounds. She truly is a lovely person. But I imagine if you've been continually complimented on something for which you've worked hard, and then that thing seems not to matter much to others any more, you would feel a loss. Oh this makes sense. Your friend had received adulation for her efforts and is now missing receiving the same level of positive reinforcement. I’ve been adjusting to body changes with aging and trying to remind myself that aging is a privilege many don’t have and that I should be gentle with myself about the wrinkles.
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Post by Merge on Feb 4, 2023 15:58:04 GMT
I do think it comes down, at least for some people, to not receiving random sexual attention. I never experienced that kind of attention on a day to day basis as a younger woman, so I don't miss it now in later life. Another thought - my friend has in the past been pretty vocal about any weight loss/exercise efforts she undertook (always just to lose a few pounds put on over the holidays - she's never been overweight), and has been a big proponent of diet culture. She has received positive attention for her lifelong discipline in that area, and might be suffering a bit in our more body-positive society. She is perhaps now not as openly admired or envied by other women for her slim figure as she used to be as we mostly mind our own business a bit more about body sizes these days. I don't mean that as uncharitably as it sounds. She truly is a lovely person. But I imagine if you've been continually complimented on something for which you've worked hard, and then that thing seems not to matter much to others any more, you would feel a loss. Oh this makes sense. Your friend had received adulation for her efforts and is now missing receiving the same level of positive reinforcement. I’ve been adjusting to body changes with aging and trying to remind myself that aging is a privilege many don’t have and that I should be gentle with myself about the wrinkles. Yes! A tangent, perhaps, but this is one reason I fear retiring completely from teaching. School is where I get validation and attention. What happens to me when I no longer have fairly frequent reminders that I'm awesome? I may cease to exist. Haha. I'm sure others have similar concerns about retiring from their jobs, whatever they may be.
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Post by Merge on Feb 4, 2023 16:01:24 GMT
I don’t think I’ve ever felt invisible. I’m not sure why this happens or why people feel this way. I think it’s perhaps more about how we feel about ourselves than how other people really see us. Could that be? No, after having read anecdotes on the topic over the years, I think some people actually do get overlooked and are outright ignored especially in certain situations. I can see where it would be frustrating especially when you need to get something done and the salespeople are talking to everybody but you and you are the one holding the sack of cash. Here’s a good example (and not just because I’m a woman because both times I was with my DH and he was equally ignored). At one point years and years ago when we were young and broke, we wanted to buy some stereo equipment. We went into Best Buy (this was before our lifetime ban went into effect on that store) after work one day in our work clothes (read: not fancy) and we’re looking at the various components trying to decide what we wanted for our apartment. DH had money from his birthday and I had money from a work bonus so we had a good amount of cash earmarked for this purchase. We walked around and around and around and we kept trying to flag someone down but none of the salespeople would even give us the time of day. We ended up leaving without making a purchase. Fast forward several months later and we were attending the wedding of a friend. It was one of those deals where the wedding was early but the reception wasn’t until much later, and we were way on the other side of town. We had a few hours to kill but didn’t want to drive all the way home only to have to turn around and come all the way back, so we looked for somewhere to go for a while. We drove around and saw this mall with a Best Buy so we went in. The second we walked through the door, the salespeople were on us like flies, falling all over themselves trying to help us. The literal only difference between the two situations was that in one we were wearing sorry ass work clothes and the other we were all dressed up to the nines for this wedding. We still ended up not buying anything just on principle. We didn’t have any more or less money either time, but when we had the *appearance* of having money, only then would anyone give us any assistance and we both thought that was crap customer service. I can also say that after having worked at a bank for 8 years, I knew how much money people had in their accounts with that bank. It wasn’t uncommon for the people who dressed very plainly (especially with older people) to have a LOT of money in the bank while those who came in repeatedly wondering why they had gotten yet another overdraft charge usually didn’t look as broke as they actually were. How you're dressed can definitely play into it. I'm sure we all remember the shopping scenes in Pretty Woman. I notice too as I get older that, in some situations, salespeople are actually more attentive because (I believe) it's assumed that an older woman has more buying power than a younger one.
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Post by Gennifer on Feb 4, 2023 17:44:39 GMT
I'm not a pretty person. I've been invisible for a very long time. I'm not 50 yet. I disagree, I think you’re very pretty! 😘
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Post by anniebeth24 on Feb 4, 2023 17:49:48 GMT
peasapie I love your phrase, "aging is a privilege many don’t have." I needed that today. Thank you.
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Post by sharlag on Feb 4, 2023 18:09:02 GMT
As time goes on, those things on which we base our identity and self-esteem might change. It can feel like a loss, whether it's being the "pretty, noticed one" or the "cool teacher".
I used to feel smarter than I do now. Some, because my cognitive abilities are a bit slower, but mostly because I have become aware of how much I don't know.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 4, 2023 18:17:10 GMT
I’ve lived in Texas for quite a while. Here it is very common for men to open doors for women. You just get used to this, it did not happen in the other 2 states that I lived in. Well, now lately - women have been opening doors for me ! Women between the ages of 30 to 50 usually. When this first started happening, I was shocked. Yikes, I AM getting old. (72) Although, I have gotten shorter and more frail. I hold the door open for anyone walking in behind me. Not in a chivalrous way but a respectful, kind way.
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 4, 2023 20:00:30 GMT
I’ve lived in Texas for quite a while. Here it is very common for men to open doors for women. You just get used to this, it did not happen in the other 2 states that I lived in. Well, now lately - women have been opening doors for me ! Women between the ages of 30 to 50 usually. When this first started happening, I was shocked. Yikes, I AM getting old. (72) Although, I have gotten shorter and more frail. I hold the door open for anyone walking in behind me. Not in a chivalrous way but a respectful, kind way. @iamkristinil16 That does not surprise me.
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Post by Aheartfeltcard on Feb 4, 2023 21:20:10 GMT
I don’t because I think it’s normal. I just want to be healthy and respected.
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Post by janeinbama on Feb 4, 2023 21:27:26 GMT
I have never felt truly invisible as I'm 6' tall and have always "stuck out". I was a reserved child and young adult. I feel like I came into my own in my 30's and 40's. Now in my 60's, I try to continue being friendly and welcoming. I am aging appropriately I try to keep my appearance neat. There are alot of great thoughts on this post.
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Post by luckyjune on Feb 4, 2023 21:38:27 GMT
Truthfully, I'm at a point where I just don't care. It's funny how getting older clarifies what is important. I have no desire to acquire stuff. I don't care that I wear clothing that pleases me and only me. Yes, I get my hair done every month but I'm rapidly approaching the place where I'm ready to be gray. I don't notice if people don't notice me because I just.don't.care.
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Post by putabuttononit on Feb 4, 2023 21:39:18 GMT
I’ve never noticed it that much, but I rather like not having attention on me. Last summer I rode with my husband and his friends for over an hour on our way to a rafting trip. Nobody spoke to me at all and I didn’t say anything to try to contribute to the conversation. I felt invisible and it was a little annoying. I could have “tried” to enter in but I didn’t. On a day to day basis it doesn’t bother me, it’s not something I’ve noticed.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 4, 2023 22:31:14 GMT
When I was in my 30s DH and I were traveling through Europe and we went to check into our hotel, a rather nice one. We had been traveling in the car for a good 8 hrs, and were wearing comfortable clothes. The guy at reception had his back to and was in the middle of doing something when we arrived. A second after us came this middle aged lady, in a suit, bejeweled fingers, nicely coiffed. I thought to myself, he is going to turn to the lady before us and he did.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 4, 2023 23:45:26 GMT
I like getting older and having fewer f*(#s to give. Everyone has different approaches to their appearance and they are all valid (whatever floats your boat), but I do think there is a risk when your appearance and the attention it garners is a primary part of your identity when you are younger because it will inevitably change when you get older.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 5, 2023 0:54:49 GMT
I’ve never felt invisible - I’m approaching 50 but don’t really expect it to change. This is one of those things like strangers touching your pregnant belly that I just don’t understand. I commuted in a major city during both my pregnancies and never once experienced this apparently common experience. I have zero issue being heard or seen by salespeople - hell someone just held an elevator for me so I’m definitely not invisible. Maybe it’ll change when I get older - I think it’s a whole lot more about personality than looks imo - I asked my cousin who’s about 60 and she just laughed - she may be 5’1” but definitely never invisible.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 5, 2023 1:45:51 GMT
Everyone has different approaches to their appearance and they are all valid (whatever floats your boat), but I do think there is a risk when your appearance and the attention it garners is a primary part of your identity when you are younger because it will inevitably change when you get older. I would venture that this explains much of the excessive plastic surgery and other enhancements used by celebrities. Some become grotesque versions of their once naturally attractive selves.
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Post by peabay on Feb 5, 2023 2:18:19 GMT
I'll be 46 at the end of this month. I developed early (I was a C cup in 4th grade), and have suffered through A LOT of unwanted sexual attention because of that. I don't miss receiving that type of attention. On the ever rare occasion that I am given attention, it's far more respectful than when I was younger. I dont mind the invisibility of middle age.I don't do anything like fillers or Botox to combat aging. My hair has few silver strands, but I'm sure I'll be besties with my hairdresser when the time comes. Same. I didn’t develop early but when I was young, I was blonde, blue eyed and conventionally pretty. I got a lot of unwanted attention and don’t miss it one bit.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 5, 2023 4:31:41 GMT
Truthfully, I'm at a point where I just don't care. It's funny how getting older clarifies what is important. I have no desire to acquire stuff. I don't care that I wear clothing that pleases me and only me. Yes, I get my hair done every month but I'm rapidly approaching the place where I'm ready to be gray. I don't notice if people don't notice me because I just.don't.care. when I hear “I’m not going to let myself go when I get old” I have to laugh, because that would be me 20-40. But what I couldn’t know then is how inconsequential that surface stuff is. As I get closer to 60, I realize that what matters is who I am and how I treat and relate to others. I’ve grown used to my older face, I like it just fine. I have discovered that the best validation isn’t compliments about my looks, but compliments about how I make people feel.
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Post by Merge on Feb 5, 2023 14:24:22 GMT
Just wanted to pop back in and say that I really appreciate reading everyone’s perspectives. Thanks for weighing in!
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Post by artbabe on Feb 5, 2023 14:56:44 GMT
I never thought about this before but I do understand feeling invisible. I used to be quite thin and pretty when I was young, and I have blonde hair and very blue eyes so I got a lot of attention. Being pretty opened some doors for me, both literally and figuratively.
Being an overweight 56 year old, I certainly don't get the attention I used to. It is kind of like being invisible.
I don't resent it though, I just wish I was aware of how pretty I was back when I was very pretty. I lacked a lot of confidence then. Now I have the confidence but not the looks.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 5, 2023 20:10:54 GMT
Everyone has different approaches to their appearance and they are all valid (whatever floats your boat), but I do think there is a risk when your appearance and the attention it garners is a primary part of your identity when you are younger because it will inevitably change when you get older. I would venture that this explains much of the excessive plastic surgery and other enhancements used by celebrities. Some become grotesque versions of their once naturally attractive selves. sorry I know I’m this is an aside but I so do not understand this!!!! I noticed it recently with Priscilla Presley and didn’t say anything as obviously her daughters death just way more important but casually why like seriously why?! These folks have nothing but money -why is their plastic surgery so bad?!? I seriously would never have it just cause if this is best money can buy I’m happy to wrinld!
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