pilcas
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Post by pilcas on Feb 3, 2023 17:00:44 GMT
I am 61, was on the cute side when I was young, so I got a normal amount of attention when I was in my 20s-30s. Now not so much but I really don’t care. I do know a very attractive woman in her 30s who is always very mindful of looking great, hours at the gym, sexy clothes, shoes, facials etc. I know she will be devastated if she doesn’t get attention in migadle age.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 3, 2023 17:09:20 GMT
The only part of aging that sucks for me is the fact that the warranty on my body appears to have expired, so everything is falling apart. I can relate to the whole “I gotta do Kegels” thing. I need at least one new knee, probably two. My back hurts (sciatica, possibly exacerbated by the knees), and the arthritis in my feet, ankles, and knees make rainy days unpleasant.
But other than that, I enjoy being older. I will be 61 next month, and I hope to retire July 2024 (we’ll see how the economy is doing then).
I love my children, but I am quite happy they are in the grown and flown phase of their lives. DH and I can do what we want on weekends without worrying about the commitments of our kids activity schedule. We no longer have to plan travel around band, softball, track, show choir, etc. Adult venues like casinos are back in play for vacation.
As for being seen, I don’t think I have been “seen” since my oldest was born almost 30 years ago. I have been quite fluffy since then; I dress for comfort rather than fashion; I have worn make-up maybe 5 times my entire life; I don’t do the manicure/spa/pamper routine; I’ve had the same basic haircut since 1991; I tend to be the quiet listener in meetings, speaking up after gathering info and forming my thoughts.
I am extroverted in social situations with family and those I consider my friends. They “see” me just fine and think I have a great sense of humor.
As far as work is concerned, I think I discovered my inner introvert during the pandemic while working from home. While I do like to interact with my team and other colleagues, I don’t mind working from home at all, and in fact I look forward to my scheduled WFH days.
Seen or not seen? It doesn’t seem to matter that much in everyday life, and when ythe situation arises where I need to be seen, I am quite capable of speaking up.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 3, 2023 17:18:50 GMT
Truthfully, I think it's more a manner of how you act. I haven't really felt invisible for the most part, and I'm admittedly pretty "fat and frumpy." I mean, it's not like I"m hit on by hot 20 somethings, but that would be creepy anyway.
Where I feel most invisible is at home, doing the "mom" routine and taken for granted. Everyone in my family is terrible about just talking right over me - which I'm not super picky about, since some of that is normal conversation, but some of it is just rudeness and ignoring what I'm saying. That is a huge pet peeve. And yes, in case I'm unclear here, I do resent it immensely.
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Post by inkedup on Feb 3, 2023 17:19:33 GMT
My mom used to say that she'd earned every wrinkle and gray hair she had. I think I have grown into myself and my power as I've aged.
My earlier post referenced only sexual invisibility.
I've never had a problem being visible. I'm not shy. 😂
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Post by inkedup on Feb 3, 2023 17:26:45 GMT
Truthfully, I think it's more a manner of how you act. I haven't really felt invisible for the most part, and I'm admittedly pretty "fat and frumpy." I mean, it's not like I"m hit on by hot 20 somethings, but that would be creepy anyway. Where I feel most invisible is at home, doing the "mom" routine and taken for granted. Everyone in my family is terrible about just talking right over me - which I'm not super picky about, since some of that is normal conversation, but some of it is just rudeness and ignoring what I'm saying. That is a huge pet peeve. And yes, in case I'm unclear here, I do resent it immensely. I am rarely approached by men these days. Likely a combination of my wedding ring, my age, and my weight. But a very handsome 20something asked me for my number after we chatted in line at the grocery store last week. I'm not gonna lie - I found it way more flattering than creepy 😂 (But my kids are young, nowhere close to this age, so maybe that's it.)
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 3, 2023 17:37:03 GMT
With that said, maybe it's just my own perception of myself. I'm not the sort to think about how other people look. And I'm not afraid to approach the stranger who is quietly hanging back from the group either. And I have always sought to remember people by how they made me feel. When I'm evaluating my own behavior I hope that people feel like I was warm toward them and put them at ease. This is my focus and I think this may be a matter of perception. Although I've not met you in person, I completely see this. And I also think you are on to something. I don't notice how people look beyond the basics of identification. I don't care what you look like, I just need to remember you have blond hair and a red shirt. I see how they act and behave, and that is 99% of what I remember. So maybe that is key to how I read if people are ignoring me or not - are they responding to me, do they smile, do they talk over me, etc. And since I do tend to have a friendly, warm, nurturing approach to people, it seems like most people respond positively. Maybe it's artificial - I make them feel warm and fuzzy, so therefore they want more of that and don't ignore me - but it seems to be working. I don't mean to say that's right or wrong or how someone "should" behave, it's just a communication style that I'm betting people respond to more warmly than some other styles.
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Post by tmarschall on Feb 3, 2023 17:37:28 GMT
I've been thinking more about this -- good topic! For many years, I have identified with a certain look of myself. I have had some weight fluctuation in the last year. I've always been fluffy/curvy but I was on prednisone for 3 month last year, and am only now finally getting back to where I was. My start point before that...I had plenty to lose to be healthier. So this was tough. Between that and some age showing in my face I have been more self-conscious that I used to be. But it's manageable.
What was VERY difficult was that during covid wearing a mask, I would catch my reflection, and I couldn't see my red or wine lipstick, and I was having some eye problems and could not wear eyeliner, mascara or have my eyelash extensions. So for me I didn't feel like I looked like myself. I felt like I looked old and tired, and not vibrant. It wasn't so much about attention from others, but I just was so depressed bc I didn't feel like I looked well. And I didn't feel well either, so that was hard. I was at the hospital today for some tests and wore a mask, and my eyes are tired today, so it brought a lot of that back.
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Post by paget on Feb 3, 2023 17:45:07 GMT
I guess I cannot relate to this. Either I am not invisible now at 51 or I always have been and just never noticed/cared. Lol. I don’t like attention on myself but I never feel ignored when I am wanting something at a store or question asked, etc. I am good at advocating for myself and also good at interacting positively with others (when I feel like it- I’m also pretty introverted) which I feel helps a lot in getting what I want/need. I’ve been Married since I was 22 so I don’t care about any sexual type of attention (beyond what dh gives me) - it’s just not on my radar if that’s part of the feeling ignored.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 3, 2023 18:42:00 GMT
I developed early so was receiving the male gaze long before I was ready to handle it. I’ve never been the pretty one, but attractive enough and the force of my personality is probably my strongest trait. In the military in the 80s being a woman was still a bit of a novelty and we received a lot of attention (wanted and unwanted). I’ve also always been attractive to older men (which was an ego crusher in my youth).
I’m now approaching 58 and my hair has gone gray and I probably would be invisible if I wasn’t so outgoing. I might be an introvert but I am not shy at all. I can start a conversation with anyone. So, in public, if I don’t speak, nobody notices me. But I’m always greeting strangers and smiling (ingrained habit from my job). At work, almost everyone knew who I was even with almost 1k employees.
I think getting older is harder for women who receive the majority of their validation through their looks and sexual attractiveness to men. Not all women do, but there is a certain type that does and fights aging tooth and nail. To my eye, they usually end up going down the path of looking older by trying to fake younger.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Feb 3, 2023 18:57:53 GMT
I am later 50's. I don't care if I am considered invisible or not. I don't worry about or care about, what others think of me or how I live my life.
Getting to that "I don't care" chapter in my life was hard. It took a lot of >> trial and error, learn from my mistakes, many tears, worrying about things that don't really matter, overthinking, changing my people pleaser ways, etc... I was letting other peoples opinions influence me, instead of following my heart and soul, gut instinct, intuition, etc..
I got to this "I'd don't care what others think of me" chapter in my early 40's, and it was so freeing emotionally and mentally. Up to that point I worried about pleasing others, wondering what everyone else thought of me, was easily influenced, worried if I didn't do what someone else thought I should do...that they would shun or shame me, I felt guilty if I thought I upset someone, etc...
I no longer allow external influence to affect me and my life. If someone likes me, wonderful. If someone doesn't like me, then they are free to excuse themselves from life. I am so much happier and content, since I found my true self and put an end to external opinions and influence. It is something I incorporated into my daily way of life. One day at a time is my philosophy. It still isn't easy, because >> passive aggressive people, narcissists, my way is the only way people, opinionated people, intentional guilt trippers, and pushy people are relentless.
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Post by Tearisci on Feb 3, 2023 19:09:53 GMT
I'm in my mid-50s and overweight so I'm pretty invisible anyway. I've never been super attractive so I don't know if I ever was "visible" to begin with. I'm an introvert anyway so I don't like to attract attention.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Feb 3, 2023 19:21:05 GMT
I have been sexually invisible/mildly noticed for most of my life (overweight and short but friendly looking), so no, I haven't really had that happen. I would say as I navigate the world/in my profession/ in my family/friend circles, I do not feel more invisible. If anything, I am more of a presence than I was when I was younger. My years of experience give me more gravitas.
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Post by worrywart on Feb 3, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
Yes, I do feel invisible a lot of the time. Part of that is being introverted - I do not thrive on the spotlight and am not attention seeking. However, even most introverts probably would like a kind word, a positive comment on their work/effort, or just the fact that you are noticed.
One thing that I have noticed over the last few years is that occasionally when I am in a conversation with a group (work related usually) that sometimes when I am trying to add something (something short, I definitely do not talk too much), I am interrupted so someone else can give their 2 cents or talked over as if I wasn't even there. This doesn't happen a lot but when it does it does remind me that the older I have gotten the more this happens. I don't even think the people who do it realize it!
Great topic - I'm glad to hear other's experiences.
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Post by peano on Feb 3, 2023 19:59:48 GMT
I'm 64 and I was also one who matured early, was zaftig until I had a breast reduction, and although overweight, I carried it well because I was an athlete. I found the attention from men so uncomfortable, because of my sexual abuse history, I gained a lot of weight so I could become invisible. After a ton of therapy, I don't have to do that any more and my weight has stabilized. I've taken pretty good care of my face because appearances were everything to my somewhat narcissistic parents. I had a massage with a new therapist and she said my face looked like I was in my 40s. But the skin on my upper arms and thighs is getting pruny, because Cushing's disease has gotten rid of all my subcutaneous fat in my extremities. I'm not super gray yet (I think I take after my dad who went gray late in life) and not ready to stop coloring my hair.
I've been studying blogs from older women who talk about fashion, but also deeper things like aging. One is a French woman; it seems they've always been more respectful of their older countrywomen. I am physically active now not because I want to be "skinny" but because I want to be healthy and comfortable in my own body. I still wear makeup, have a hairstyle that I maintain because I don't want to look like a lot of women it seems became wives and mothers and just lost themselves and gave up. But I'm done with heavy makeup, fussy hair, and fiddly clothes and shoes. I just want to be comfortable in my own skin, I want to acknowledge my growth. So I found it upsetting at first when I donned the invisibility cloak--I was early 40s, but now I don't care, and I do feel sorry for women who banked on nothing but their appearance.
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Post by pajamamama on Feb 3, 2023 20:11:44 GMT
I hate aging. There, I said it. I have always been presentable and had a powerful voice that gave me a lot of attention and praise. Now my body and voice are changing and I look and sound older. I recognize it is normal, but.
I. Hate. It. There is nothing to like about it. Unapologetically resentful about it. Today, anyway.
Edited to add: I hate being invisible and refuse to succumb to it. I will be heard.
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Post by sharlag on Feb 3, 2023 20:13:41 GMT
Great topic! I never got a lot of attention, and generally don’t notice it unless it’s extreme. Which is rare.
Respect though—- I get more now. I project more confidence and I’m sure that’s why.
I’m not a “head turner” in my head! Never have been.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 3, 2023 20:24:10 GMT
I’ve never felt this way.
I’m used to going out and getting compliments on my clothes and nails and sometimes my hair and other things.
I feel like this is probably more a matter of how you present yourself…like a self fulfilling prophecy. If you enjoy flying under the radar and don’t like attention and dress and act so as not to attract attention, then of course you feel invisible.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Feb 3, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
Interesting. I feel MORE VISIBLE in my 50s than I ever have. But I attribute that to feeling more confident in the space that I, as a human, am entitled to take up on this earth. I claim that space more than I ever have in my past.
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Post by breetheflea on Feb 3, 2023 20:42:37 GMT
Yes, it annoys me. I'm an introvert and there's nothing wrong with me.
I volunteer with four extroverts. We have a group text. Someone will answer a question. I'll answer it. Someone else answers a few seconds later, and everyone gushes over their same but slightly differently worded answer. It also happens at meetings, in emails, in person, in the middle of conversations...
I have actually asked my DH if he can see me, because apparently no one else can.
But it's not new so probably not age related.
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Post by hopechest on Feb 3, 2023 21:32:28 GMT
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I'm 52 and fluffy. I've been cute, but never what you would call stunning. Now I'm a kinda cute old potato. LOL
If I'm out an about, grocery store, etc., I don't mind not having any attention. I like to do my own thing. I'm not looking for men to fall over me.
At work, I do resent it. I feel I have to make myself bigger and louder to get people to pay attention. If a man were to do what I do, he would swing from the rooftops singing his praises and everyone would cheer. When I do it, it's crickets. I think if I did the same job as a "young hottie" I would get more respect. I'm not one to boast, and I think in this day and age I'm finding it more and more important to be my own cheering squad.
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Post by Merge on Feb 3, 2023 21:53:46 GMT
So I’m standing in American Eagle with my daughter right now. I am most definitely invisible here until it’s time to pay. 😂 I’ve parked myself next to a display of band t-shirts from the 90s and if I feel like I need attention I’ll offer my services as a cultural guide from the land of people old enough to have listened to these bands when they were first popular
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 3, 2023 22:04:17 GMT
I think getting older is harder for women who receive the majority of their validation through their looks and sexual attractiveness to men. Not all women do, but there is a certain type that does and fights aging tooth and nail. To my eye, they usually end up going down the path of looking older by trying to fake younger. I think you've nailed it, at least for the OP's friend.
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Post by Gem Girl on Feb 3, 2023 22:10:47 GMT
Truthfully, I think it's more a manner of how you act. I haven't really felt invisible for the most part, and I'm admittedly pretty "fat and frumpy." I mean, it's not like I"m hit on by hot 20 somethings, but that would be creepy anyway. Where I feel most invisible is at home, doing the "mom" routine and taken for granted. Everyone in my family is terrible about just talking right over me - which I'm not super picky about, since some of that is normal conversation, but some of it is just rudeness and ignoring what I'm saying. That is a huge pet peeve. And yes, in case I'm unclear here, I do resent it immensely. You're right to be peeved by this kind of disrespect. If they wouldn't treat a visitor that way, there's no excuse for their treating you that way. You may have to insist that it stop by whatever dynamics catch immediate and sincere attention from your family (like, "How dare you talk over me while you're eating a dinner that I planned, shopped for, cooked, and served to you?") not implying the dynamic needs to be domestic-duty oriented. You deserve better.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 3, 2023 22:46:00 GMT
It's funny. I was I think an attractive 20-something who also looked young. I found out very quickly that people would not take me seriously (probably more the looking young part, although even as a person who wore a suit with a blouse to work every day I had a male colleague complain to our supervisor about my appearance). I purposely started wearing thick glasses and even plainer clothes to work to make myself less visibly young and female. So now as I've aged I had a great warm-up to the fact that eventually I'd get less attention.
In retrospect however I'm mad at myself for caving and at the people who suggested I had to make myself invisible on purpose. I think (hope) things are better now for young women.
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Post by swtpeasmom on Feb 3, 2023 22:50:11 GMT
So I’m standing in American Eagle with my daughter right now. I am most definitely invisible here until it’s time to pay. 😂 I’ve parked myself next to a display of band t-shirts from the 90s and if I feel like I need attention I’ll offer my services as a cultural guide from the land of people old enough to have listened to these bands when they were first popular Lol, yes! Standing in AE with my pretty 16yo is most definitely awkward.. For me....you know people are looking at you like, "You don't belong here" - though I do have AE jeans, but only ordered online. lol. Otherwise, at 48, I've noticed more wrinkles and grey hairs. I did keto last March and lost 18lbs and have gained about 13 back. I'm jumping back on the exercise train, though not willing to give up carbs like before. I think it's tougher for older women in the workplace/ career advancement. I got a new position less than a year ago (civilian corrections), competing with many, many men (including Corrections Officers) and I feel like you aren't taken as seriously if you are all gray and wrinkly as a woman vs with a man, it's distinguished, knowledgeable and 'experienced'. It's not fair, but I think it's reality. So yes, I'm struggling with the ageing thing. I feel like if I just let myself go, didn't wear make up or didn't highlight my hair, I would be invisible and wouldn't be treated well by the other officers (though some don't treat civilian women well either way).
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 3, 2023 22:56:49 GMT
I don't feel invisible. In fact, like a few others have mentioned, I believe my "presence" has bloomed with age and experience. I honor my 62 years and don't try to pass as younger. I strive to be the best 62 year old I can be - health wise, mentally, physically, and by every other measurement. I know my value and appreciate time spent with people who respect that. Maybe I'm over-confident, maybe I'm delusional... but I *am* the way I am.
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Post by amp on Feb 3, 2023 23:06:56 GMT
I wish I was invisible sometimes. I don't think I look that great...I look my age of almost 59...as long as I look professional at work, I'm happy. Yet everywhere I go I am meeting men who want to "get to know me better." BUT...I can tell from the conversation that they are looking for a "nurse and a purse." I am good at both. But I'm not something to be used as one ages...oh, heck, no. I'm more than that. I'm a person with hobbies and interests and they don't involve taking care of you and doing what you think is fun unless you like scrapbooking, volunteering with animal rescue organizations, reading, and cooking vegan meals. And no sports other than tennis or equestrian. The last guy I met was a man from my church who was wanting to retire in a year, and got irritated that I plan to keep working until my mid-70s. This is the same guy who asked me the day he introduced himself to me if I owned my own home -- yes, I do. In an upscale community that I paid for with my own wages. Grr.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 3, 2023 23:25:58 GMT
I got a fair amount of attention when I was young, and TBH, as that waned, it bothered me for awhile. Not any more. I like being my age. I would not want to be young again. What continues to bother me are the “Huns” and “dears” that I get. It’s annoying.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Feb 4, 2023 0:16:54 GMT
The first few times I realised that I was no longer even in the running for being an object of interest to anyone, I felt a little bereft. I reminded myself that I had my man, and outside attention, although flattering, wasn't needed or really wanted. Now, at 53 with post-chemo crazy hair and unwanted chub from the meds, I welcome the anonymity of being 53, anything but attractive, and left alone.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 4, 2023 0:23:56 GMT
I'm not a pretty person. I've been invisible for a very long time. I'm not 50 yet.
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