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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 15:38:45 GMT
ITA. I remember a few times where I thought you were being too black/white on things, but I don't ever remember you being hateful or even rude. You have always seemed like a very nice person, and I hope things will turn around soon.
I'm sending you lots of good thoughts.
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Post by myboysnme on Jul 4, 2014 15:43:30 GMT
I do believe in karma, and I am truly humbled by your example, though I am very sorry this has happened to you. I don't think you deserved it in any way. I know why people who have made it believe success can happen for others who are willing to work for it, but I truly always wonder why those who have very little are so hateful to those who have even less.
I work for the government as a public servant, and have for more than 30 years. Every time I hear someone wanting to dismantle government social programs, I am scared to death. Not only would it affect my livelihood, but the programs that could help me when I lose my livelihood will be gone as well. We cannot succeed by tearing each other down.
I recently revisited the website for the school fire at Our Lady of Angels School in 1958. In the descriptions, they found children piled at the base of the windows, where smaller ones had been pushed down by larger children to try to get out of the windows. The smaller children could not reach the window sill. They all perished. If the larger children had perhaps helped the smaller ones out the window, then they could have all, or at least more of them, gotten out. Because in fact, the things that held the smaller ones back they had no control over. The larger ones weren't taller because they were better or worked harder. In the end, they all perished. As a society, we can lift up those who are held back, and in doing so, it helps all of us have a better chance at succeeding.
You will find success again, you have everything going for you to do so. Someone will reach out a hand and pull you out. Then you can do the same for the person behind you. That's karma.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 4, 2014 15:47:46 GMT
You know, it's not karma. You didn't "deserve" this for your attitude. It's just the real world. And sometimes, bad things happen to people, even people who try to do everything right. You can plan and plan and plan and plan and still... sometimes the shit hits the fan. I'm sorry it was your fan this time.
I hope things turn around for you soon, jonda. And I really respect what you said here. I agree. You do not deserve what has happened. It's good to see you and I truly hope things turn around for you very soon.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 4, 2014 16:11:38 GMT
I'm sorry for what you're going through, Jonda and hope that things pick up soon.
On a different note, I'm glad you found your way here.
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Post by kittens on Jul 4, 2014 16:41:54 GMT
I also didn't participate on the political threads, but hope that you find work soon. Sounds like you have a great support system which makes all the difference in my opinion. Hope things turn around for you.
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Post by pynke on Jul 4, 2014 16:58:21 GMT
{hugs}
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Post by modiemay on Jul 4, 2014 17:23:26 GMT
Jonda, I think you are showing a lot of character writing your post. I wish you luck with your job search and hope it all falls into place soon.
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Post by Megan on Jul 4, 2014 17:24:51 GMT
I hope things turn back around for you soon!
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Post by scrapngranny on Jul 4, 2014 17:31:58 GMT
I do not participate in political threads at all, because for the most part, everyone involved refuses to see any gray. The politicos are right or left, moderation is no where to be found.
I'm sorry you are in this place, hopefully you will be back on your feet soon.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 4, 2014 17:45:08 GMT
Another lurker here to say I always enjoyed reading your posts! Your words always made me think. Made me question. Showed me another way to look at things. And you were always respectful. I admired that. I'm so very sorry for your situation. Karma has nothing to do with it. I've seen some extremely talented people struggle to find jobs. I don't know what industry you are in, but my company is looking and has offices across the country as well as work from home possibilities. The company is Aon. Look them up online and let me know if anything sparks your interest. And definitely look into dental schools for your tooth. Wishing all the best for you. And even another lurker agreeing. Sometimes things happen thru no fault of our own. Hope things turn around for you SOON!!!
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Post by scrapmaven on Jul 4, 2014 18:10:42 GMT
I'm sorry that you're in financial crisis. ITA w/checking out dental schools. You'll get great care and you need the dentist pronto. Though I don't know what you do for a living, I highly recommend temping until you find a job. It's summer and people are on vacation. It's a great time to temp. Register w/every agency you can. I don't think it's karma or the universe out to punish you. Rather, it's just bad, stinking, luck. I will think good thoughts that you find a great job quickly.
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Post by scrappammie on Jul 4, 2014 18:57:33 GMT
I hope things improve for you soon. Add me to the list of those who are glad you found your way here.
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Post by cycworker on Jul 4, 2014 19:05:18 GMT
Jonda, I admire your courage in posting this thread. You and I did disagree a great deal in the political threads and I admit I did find you lacking in compassion for those less fortunate than you. That said, you still don't deserve what you're going through right now - NOBODY does. I hope that you will be able to find the help you need, such as the dental clinics, and I will pray for you. I also hope that if we do have political conversations here in the future, you and I can find a middle ground and more understanding of each others' point of view. The past is the past... holding on to it won't help anyone.
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Post by M in Carolina on Jul 4, 2014 19:17:30 GMT
I also made great contacts and got a permanent job through temping. My dad had a real estate company and auction company, and I started answering phones at 12. I had a ton of office experience before I even went to college. When I was looking for temps, I also was told that I was *over qualified*. I customized my resumes by the positions/ experience needed. I never lied, but they didn't need to know about ALL my life experiences if they weren't relevant. Nobody cared that I got an A in Art History when I was the operator at a warehouse.
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Post by miominmio on Jul 4, 2014 19:35:06 GMT
I don't believe in karma, I truly believe that bad things can happen to good people (and the other way around, too). I'm not American, so I don't post on political threads, but you have always come across as a nice person. It must be painful if you believe you have done something to deserve this. You haven't. Life can be tough sometimes, and we have far less control over our destiny than we like to think. I hope better days are coming soon. ((Hugs))
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Post by Lexica on Jul 4, 2014 19:37:14 GMT
Jonda, I'm glad to see you found your way home! I agree with the posters who said you did nothing to deserve being laid off. You are one of the many that have taken the big hit with the finanacial situation we are all in right now. I'm sorry it happened to you and I'm sorry that even with your planning ahead, you will still come close to the edge financially.
Layoffs or company closures have happened to a lot of us. I would be in the same position as you had I not had an accident. I got a layoff notice while I was off on short term disability with injuries sustained in a bad fall. As it turned out, my doctor didn't want me going back and working at the job where I had been due to having to sit all day anyway. Just in the nick of time, I was put on my company's private long term disability policy before the layoff date. This policy will pay me until I am 65. Thank God it was there! The policy payment isn't huge, but it pays for my food, roof over my head, and a few bills. The company that laid me off was sold a few weeks after that last batch of layoffs that would have included me. I know a few people that have still not found new jobs, and this was 2 years ago.
It is a different existance, isn't it? We learn who our friends are and we see how much we don't really need in our lives anyway. My good luck continued and I have taken in a friend to help with maintenance around the house that I can no longer do. He was in a bad finanacial position as well, being let go from his previous place. I do have two more bedrooms, and who knows if I will end up helpling out other friends who are struggling. If we all pitch in together, we will make it through this tight period. Do you have any friends who could let you have a room in exchange for work or at least with a reasonable rent? Teaming up together with friends makes the situation a lot less painful all around.
I have another good friend that owns a condo in Laguna Beach overlooking the ocean. He is already trying to prepare should his name come up on a layoff list. Since he lives in such a beautiful beach area, (Laguna Beach) he can garner a huge monthly rent during the summer months. Last summer he listed with an agency and they can get $20,000 per month on his place for the summer months. He is doing it again this summer. He is currently staying at his mom's condo with her, but it's getting tense for him. He may end up here with me in one of my rooms. That will bring in a bit of money for me and I'm close to his office to cut down his commute. He rents his place furnished and removes all personal and valuable items to his storage unit so it is some work for him, but he earns enough to pay a lot of bills during that three-month period. It was a really creative way to get some money saved up in case of layoff. I don't know if that is possible for you to do, but I thought I would throw it out as a workable option just in case you could do this.
Good luck finding the right job that will put you back in the income bracket you need. And in the mean time, come here for breaks in your job hunt. It's good to see you back.
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Post by craftykitten on Jul 4, 2014 19:58:58 GMT
I'm glad you've found your way over here, and I'm sorry that you're having such a difficult time at the moment. I only ever read the political threads and didn't post - but I do agree with the others who say that this isn't karma. You're not having a rough time because the universe is trying to prove a point. I really admire your graciousness in your post and I hope things turn round for you soon.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 4, 2014 20:06:29 GMT
You know, it's not karma. You didn't "deserve" this for your attitude. It's just the real world. And sometimes, bad things happen to people, even people who try to do everything right. You can plan and plan and plan and plan and still... sometimes the shit hits the fan. I'm sorry it was your fan this time.
I hope things turn around for you soon, jonda. And I really respect what you said here. I fully agree with this and could not have written it better myself. I wish the best for you. Times are so tough, and I am proud of you for your determination to not give up.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 4, 2014 20:14:33 GMT
I'm sorry for your job loss, Jonda. I hope that you find employment soon.
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Post by whipea on Jul 4, 2014 21:32:24 GMT
I was mostly a lurker on the old board and rarely opened political threads. I admire your humbleness and do not feel it is karma, it just is. I completely understand what you are going through, it is like a sucker punch to the psyche. I also had it made financially and professionally. Great status, house, cars, savings and a hefty retirement fund. Twenty-six years with the last fifteen in upper management, no children or family. Hot stuff, jet setting all over and looking down at the minions. All the perks, closing in on retirement then BAM, in 2007 my job was cut.
Cleaned out all savings and retirement funds to try to keep the house and then ran out of funds, it was awful. Took almost three years to find a decent job. Did anything, sold things including my parents jewelry, applied at McDonalds, Costco, Target, just about every where but could not get work. I have advanced degrees and advanced age (late 50's) so that did not help.
Finally got a part time job in 2010 out of my field. Loved it. Went full time about eight months later, not making as much as before but pretty close. I have never been so happy with a job and my life as I am now.
Saved my house literately the day before it was to be sold in the foreclosure auction and am recovering financially. But my attitude is so different now, it is like I have been purged of that "I have money so I am better" subconscious banter. My values have changed so much and so has my spending. My life is truly more fun, has more depth and rewards.
I wish you the best and hope you find a great job soon.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:34:13 GMT
Hahaha. Oh freecharlie you just made my night. I had completely forgotten that umm recipe discussion. I aim to please. You def did. I had to go back and reread. I've perfected the recipes even more over the years lol
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:37:41 GMT
Jonda, I am sorry to hear your news. You didn't deserve it, nor have the many others in the same boat. It is extremely humbling to face the situation you are in, and it happens no matter what philosophy of life you hold. Maybe that's what you are really beginning to understand and why you feel like you didn't get it before. IDK. I've always thought of you as being a very kind and caring person who actually thinks about what is right and wrong and then behaves in accordance with that. The only thing more that can be expected of any of us is to continue to grow throughout our lives. Looks like you are doing just that. Thanks Leftturn! That's exactly what I am thinking. Not necessarily that karma targeted me, but that I have been humbled by circumstances I had forgotten the reality of until now.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:40:05 GMT
While no where near like your situation, my husband had to take a demotion to get out of a bad situation at work, and it cost him dearly. People don't have the confidence in him that they once had, and we lost 20% of his pay. This situation has been going on for 2.5 years, with no recovery whatsoever for his career. My favorite expression in Spanish is "La vida no es justa," or "Life is not fair." My husband did not deserve what happened to him, and neither did you. I have been trying to look for the silver lining in our experience, though I have to admit, lately I've been feeling a wee bit sorry for myself. (Situation is also keeping us living in a place that is not my favorite. I want to live in the NE, because I hate the heat.) Seeing your positive attitude despite all that you are going through is inspiring me to be more positive myself. Thank you so much for sharing what you've went through. And I've always loved your posts, liked & admired you, and am so glad to see you here. I'll be praying for you. Big (((hugs))) coming your way from down South. Jodster! Big hugs to you as well. I've always loved hearing your pov and am so sorry you are going through a similar situation. I hope and pray it turns around for you as well.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:42:57 GMT
I had no idea you were against social safety nets, but they were created for people exactly in your position - you can plan and save and do your very best but sometimes circumstances are so dire that they are needed. The posts of yours that I did read always seemed well thought out and compassionate, willing to examine issues from many sides. At any rate, I really hope you find something soon and get back on your feet quickly. Not so much I was completely against them, but I feel like our government has let us down immensely in their management, and never felt that the central government was the best solution for them. I still feel we have a lot of improving to do, but I have gained a much needed perspective on the lives of those that are in the need for them, and their necessity.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:45:04 GMT
Jonda, I've always found you thoughtful, but I haven't always agreed with your Ayn Rand objectivist viewpoints. Ayn was a force to be reckoned with and I admired her intellect and dedication to her beliefs,but she also ended up bitter and alone because of her inability to see grey and be introspective about her own flaws. You will see better days because you see that the grey and the flaws are what makes the world so interesting and beautiful. Take care. You are in my thoughts. Thanks :-) you are right Ayn was a force to be reckoned with, but the last thing I want is to become what she was in the end, and maybe this was the wake up call I needed to realize that a little altruism isn't a bad thing.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:46:05 GMT
Jonda said: "I am not a liberal (LucyG)." Don't you worry, I'm still working on it. I second everyone above, this isn't karma and it isn't your fault. It's a crap time in your life but it WILL get better. You will find your way. And go get that tooth fixed, even if you have to make payments. Lol. I'll let you keep trying hahaha
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:49:50 GMT
This kind of thing just happens. It isn't some sort of punishment for not believing or behaving a certain way. You made all the safety nets you could for yourself instead of spending the money on nothing. Then there's a catastrophe. Imagine where you could be if you hadn't been prudent. My dh's parents and mine were poor and worked their way up to middle and upper middle class to give us opportunities to go to college and prepare for life. My dh got a great job and then an amazing job and we saved and did what we should--didn't put stupid stuff on our credit cards, saved for a house. We got the house because it was cheaper than renting in our area, we had plans to stay there long term, and then one tiny second, in a flash, I had a stroke, and then dh lost his job, and the job he was offered next was in a different state, and we couldn't sell our house for 18 months and paid double mortgages, and I got sicker and sicker, and can't work at all. We had insurance, we did the right thing. We were so prudent. It wasn't enough. We've fought and fought to pay off our debt. We were told to declare bankruptcy. We couldn't do it and not pay those doctors who had helped me. They needed to eat, too. They didn't deserve that. It took a long time, but we climbed out of that pit. We're not in great shape, but we have enough for a roof and food and a car. We keep battling and working, but we've learned a valuable lesson. It's just money. It doesn't bring happiness. It doesn't equal security. It doesn't matter where we live, we're together. I am so blessed. Dh has constantly told me what a blessing I am to him. We've learned valuable lessons and feel more compassion for the plights of others. We don't want to make money just to have money. We want to invest in people, in friendships, in helping each other. That's what's important. I hope you find a job soon. I hope you find your footing and take care of yourself. Be kind to yourself. You've learned such a huge lesson. It's only through adversity that we truly can see another person's adversity and have compassion. That's the hardest lesson to learn. I know you'll help others since you have now been helped yourself. You're story is really inspiring M. I hope that things continue to get better for you. You are right that it's just money. It isn't what makes us happy, it's the people in our lives that make the difference, and I have been blessed, both in real life and with the peas. Thank you!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jul 4, 2014 21:50:31 GMT
Do you feel comfortable in this forum sharing your approximate geography and general line of business? Sometimes networking in creative places can give us unexpected opportunities.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jul 4, 2014 21:55:39 GMT
I applaud your honesty and bravery. For those who say it isn't karma, I think the problem is in the definition. It's not a matter of someone misbehaving and getting smacked; more like action and natural consequence. However, outside rational calculation, there does seem to be a benevolent force that continually moved us into situations that appear to be contractual or punishing. But if you can just set ego aside and look at it honestly, almost always it is obvious that if you truly allow yourself to be vulnerable and consider other ways of acting and thinking, it always resolves in the end with you being a better person. Your initial response at compassion is for the suffering you have gone through, the challenge is broadening that compassion to others and overhauling existing viewpoints, especially when things get better. Sometimes "karma" kicks us in the mass a few times before we get the hint. You are already leaps and bounds above most people, who get stuck in self pity and anger. If you keep going, karma will reward you as inevitably as the sun rises. I agree with what you said, and it's more what I was alluding to. It actually took my best friend getting hurt severely in January and being without any income and not being able to walk for three months where I fully saw what happens. In all honesty, I moved in with him for those three months, and in regardless of my state, I couldn't stand by and let him suffer so for those months I shouldered both our weights. I know some will say I was foolish, but I love the man, and he needed me, and I'd do it again. I'd rather be in the situation than to see him.
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Post by Peamac on Jul 4, 2014 21:56:05 GMT
I haven't read all the replies, but welcome to the new Pea place! Are you on LinkedIn? I know a lot of employers won't hire someone if they're not on LinkedIn.
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