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Post by fiddlesticks on May 30, 2023 4:23:01 GMT
I will for sure be watching. I don't know what it is but I love to watch any kind of documentary type thing on any kind of religious scandal like this. Escaping Polygamy, Jesus Camp, Mormon No More, Leah Remini. I am not sure why but I will be catching this one for sure.
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Post by pantsonfire on May 30, 2023 12:47:25 GMT
I will for sure be watching. I don't know what it is but I love to watch any kind of documentary type thing on any kind of religious scandal like this. Escaping Polygamy, Jesus Camp, Mormon No More, Leah Remini. I am not sure why but I will be catching this one for sure. If you are on IG Irenes.Entropy has an 18 part series on her account about leaving the LDS/Mormon Church.
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Post by peanutterbutter on May 31, 2023 18:38:31 GMT
I just saw that Jill Duggar is releasing a book in January, from the looks of it is is more of a tell all than her sister wrote, could be interesting!
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on May 31, 2023 20:10:27 GMT
I am curious and wondering....
I read a news story and Jill claims she was never paid when she was on the tv show. The funds were paid to the Family as a whole. As a minor child, aren't there rules or laws about that? Wouldn't some sort of trust fund with appointed (at least one non-Family) guardians, managers, etc.. be required? Wouldn't each working person(adult and child) have to be paid individually?
Would she be able to file a lawsuit to get all the back pay she is owed? Is so, wouldn't every single one of them (kids and their spouses who were on the show) be owed money for their work-appearances on the show. Is group payment legal?
I've heard of many child stars from the 60's, 70's, 80's whose Parents managed the funds and spent all the money or kept it for themselves. Weren't some sort of laws or rules created to prevent Parents from spending or keeping all the child actors money?
I've always thought, that Jim-bob wanted to control all the money and all the Family members.
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Post by epeanymous on May 31, 2023 23:39:55 GMT
I am curious and wondering.... I read a news story and Jill claims she was never paid when she was on the tv show. The funds were paid to the Family as a whole. As a minor child, aren't there rules or laws about that? Wouldn't some sort of trust fund with appointed (at least one non-Family) guardians, managers, etc.. be required? Wouldn't each working person(adult and child) have to be paid individually? Would she be able to file a lawsuit to get all the back pay she is owed? Is so, wouldn't every single one of them (kids and their spouses who were on the show) be owed money for their work-appearances on the show. Is group payment legal? I've heard of many child stars from the 60's, 70's, 80's whose Parents managed the funds and spent all the money or kept it for themselves. Weren't some sort of laws or rules created to prevent Parents from spending or keeping all the child actors money? I've always thought, that Jim-bob wanted to control all the money and all the Family members. There was a NYT story about this today, and the short answer is that reality show kids aren't protected by the laws that protect other child performers. Which they absolutely should be. Evidently Michelle was still signing contracts for her adult daughters :/.
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Post by penny8909 on Jun 3, 2023 16:47:48 GMT
I'm a little more than halfway through. Absolutely an expose although I was hoping the family would spill more. The daughter Jill is very vague. She is writing a book so maybe she's saving it for that.
Learned that the owner of Hobby Lobby contributes a lot of $$ to the Institute for life principals. another reason not to shop there
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Post by pjaye on Jun 4, 2023 15:02:16 GMT
early everything I know about the Duggar family I learned on two peas! I don't know if their reality show was ever on air in Australia or Germany, but I have never seen it. Same for me, I've never seen an episode but have read about it here over the years and saw some women here applaud and defend them, so I was interested to see what they were really all about. Holy hell - they were much worse than I thought. I basically thought they were just a one-off religious freak family. I had no idea about the network/movement (or whatever you call it) that they were a part of. Even the members of the family who are "speaking out" seem to still be overtly religious and not really anti everything they were indoctrinated with. I can't believe people watched that show for so long and thought it was a good & reasonable way to raise children Michelle sounded like she wasn’t all there and it’s no wonder. It said in the show that women are told/taught to speak in soft and feminine voices, infantilizing themselves... it's a deliberate thing. Not hard to guess who thinks that's a good idea. Also the "blanket training" is just the start - they are encouraged to spank their kids repeatedly to "break their will" there's several demonstrations about how to hit & spanks children. Oh, and husbands have the right to hit their wives as well and give them "corner time" (sit in the corner as punishment) and that women must always be sexually available to their husbands. Also "men can't trust their eyes" so women have to dress modestly so as not to create "eye traps" for men. They have workbooks with drawings of women's clothing and the children have to circle which parts are "eye traps"... for example the side split in a skirt or a low neckline.
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Post by Merge on Jun 4, 2023 15:55:58 GMT
I found the whole thing sad and horrifying. And the last part, where they really focused on the political movement that this has morphed into - we should all be very concerned. Their stated intent is to turn America into a country where everyone is required to live like them.
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Post by edie3 on Jun 4, 2023 22:25:20 GMT
the political movement that this has morphed into With some of the issues we are already there, ie abortions
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 5, 2023 1:23:05 GMT
What the hell that was horrific and triggering and beyond terrifying.
And now I see references online that the Holt woman has a ten year restraining order against her husband from this spring? 👀
The one joking about marrying them young in the beginning, because he was 19 and she was 14 when they started dating.
And I sure hope Jill is able to get legal recourse for parents signing contracts for her as an adult.
And Anna. Omg
And the Joshua movement generation thing.
Horrifying doesn’t cover it even though many of the things covered were public knowledge. But certainly glossed over or presented differently.
We are living in very scary times.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 5, 2023 1:25:11 GMT
I found the whole thing sad and horrifying. And the last part, where they really focused on the political movement that this has morphed into - we should all be very concerned. Their stated intent is to turn America into a country where everyone is required to live like them. Sarah Hukabee Sanders and her political movement since being elected make a lot more sense.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 5, 2023 3:08:03 GMT
I watched it and wondered why people would follow someone who is so clearly phony? That child abuse is promoted as normal and healthy just sickens me. Michelle Duggar acts so sweet and innocent, yet she "encouraged her children" and hurt her own babies. I truly hope that the daughters who have children aren't torturing them, as well. Many of us have had infants and toddlers. Could you imagine doing anything other than loving your baby and giving your baby safety and a warm, happy home? Anna is a lost cause. As I mention whenever she pops up, Anna is a big box of rocks and a horrible mother. Those kids didn't deserve to be born into this chaos. Her job is to protect her kids and instead she supports their dangerous father while ignoring the damage that is being done to those children. Their legacy is that their father is a sadistic pervert and their grandparents protect him. Lovely.
If Jim Bob is truly a good man then why would he stand behind the guy who sexually abuses young women/girls and is clearly doing all of this for money? Remember Jim Bakker and the air conditioned dog house?
I'm hoping that the FBI is keeping tabs on this cult.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 5, 2023 3:23:20 GMT
Between discussions here, reading Free Ginger (back in the day) and following ex-evangelicals on TikTok, I didn't learn much new from this series, but it was interesting seeing what Jill had to say and it see it all put together.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jun 5, 2023 3:33:21 GMT
I just binge watched all 4 episodes. My heart goes out to those girls. They asked for none of this. It is truly terrifying to learn about the long game that some people are playing.
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Post by candleangie on Jun 5, 2023 5:18:23 GMT
Re the long game: it’s like a religious extremist playbook, I swear. The Scientologists have the exact same plan. Wild
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 5, 2023 11:36:00 GMT
I haven't watched but somoene said this isn't really about the Duggars - they were more like clickbait - but rather about the ILBP (I may have that acronym wrong)?
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Post by sueg on Jun 5, 2023 12:02:21 GMT
I haven't watched but somoene said this isn't really about the Duggars - they were more like clickbait - but rather about the ILBP (I may have that acronym wrong)? There is a lot about the Duggar family in it, including excerpts from an interview with Jill and her husband. I would say it is really using the Duggars as an example of what the ILBP is about and how they were used to promote the 'ideals' of ILBP and draw more people in. There is a fair bit of footage from the various Duggars TLC shows.
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Post by janet on Jun 5, 2023 15:51:32 GMT
I found the whole thing sad and horrifying. And the last part, where they really focused on the political movement that this has morphed into - we should all be very concerned. Their stated intent is to turn America into a country where everyone is required to live like them. THIS!!! I hope everybody watches it and becomes aware of the politics and ambitions. That scared the crap out of me.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 5, 2023 17:37:53 GMT
Between discussions here, reading Free Ginger (back in the day) and following ex-evangelicals on TikTok, I didn't learn much new from this series, but it was interesting seeing what Jill had to say and it see it all put together. Ha, I read that too! I agree I didn't learn much about the movement (I had read a looooot about it), but I'm halfway through watching the series now, and I am endlessly fascinated by the people who have had the strength to leave the fundamentalist movement and could watch a ten-part series of just interviews with them. I also really appreciated the interviews with Cousin Amy. I really hope Jill is ok. Her husband seems supportive, but I can't imagine what it would be like to distance yourself from the only people you've been permitted really to know. ETA: Maybe they'll address it more in the last two episodes when I watch them, but one thing I'd like to hear more about is the financial struggles of these families. They alluded to it a bit when they talked about the little vs. big Duggar houses, but from reading blogs from these quiverfull families, I've always been struck by how financially disastrous that lifestyle is for so many families, and that they actively encourage their kids to have families they can't support.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 5, 2023 20:11:15 GMT
LOL, still learning, I always thought SHP was B-52s. I guess because of Kate Pierson’s loud annoying backup vocals.. geez girl, BLEND, willya?
Did REM actually write it as well. I always took it as meaning SHP was just a front for dysfunction therefore making this title completely appropriate for a Dugger expose or documentary or whatever you want to label it. I guess it was a collab with REM? "Shiny Happy People" is a song by the American rock band R.E.M., released as the second single from their seventh studio album, Out of Time (1991).
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jun 5, 2023 20:12:20 GMT
I haven't watched but somoene said this isn't really about the Duggars - they were more like clickbait - but rather about the ILBP (I may have that acronym wrong)? There is a lot about the Duggar family in it, including excerpts from an interview with Jill and her husband. I would say it is really using the Duggars as an example of what the ILBP is about and how they were used to promote the 'ideals' of ILBP and draw more people in. There is a fair bit of footage from the various Duggars TLC shows. I just watched the first 2 episodes. God they are disgusting people.
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Post by Merge on Jun 5, 2023 22:21:33 GMT
LOL, still learning, I always thought SHP was B-52s. I guess because of Kate Pierson’s loud annoying backup vocals.. geez girl, BLEND, willya?
Did REM actually write it as well. I always took it as meaning SHP was just a front for dysfunction therefore making this title completely appropriate for a Dugger expose or documentary or whatever you want to label it. I guess it was a collab with REM? "Shiny Happy People" is a song by the American rock band R.E.M., released as the second single from their seventh studio album, Out of Time (1991). Yes, it's an REM song that featured Kate Pierson from the B-52s. She also sang on "Me in Honey" on the same album.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 5, 2023 23:04:21 GMT
Those people are effed up and scary as hell! Their plans to take over the country? Already happening! Look at the Supreme Court!
I already knew about Josh and how his parents tried to cover up what he did, but I did not know the specifics of what was found on his computer. Warning - they tell what it was and it's horrifying. He needs a bullet in his brain. There was commentary about Anna's lack of education and no way to take care of herself and children, all because of their way of life. One man said she could make a ton of money from writing a book but she had no one to tell her that was an option.
The documentary gave me one more reason to dislike organized religion. I'm not saying I'm not religious, but an awful lot of abuse is connected to churches and/or religious leaders.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 6, 2023 15:56:16 GMT
Those people are effed up and scary as hell! Their plans to take over the country? Already happening! Look at the Supreme Court! I already knew about Josh and how his parents tried to cover up what he did, but I did not know the specifics of what was found on his computer. Warning - they tell what it was and it's horrifying. He needs a bullet in his brain. There was commentary about Anna's lack of education and no way to take care of herself and children, all because of their way of life. One man said she could make a ton of money from writing a book but she had no one to tell her that was an option. The documentary gave me one more reason to dislike organized religion. I'm not saying I'm not religious, but an awful lot of abuse is connected to churches and/or religious leaders. It is already happening. The Supreme Court will NOT strike this down. They will embrace it and all states will follow. CNN — A school board in Oklahoma has approved an application for a Catholic virtual charter school – a decision that would create the first publicly funded religious charter school in the nation – despite concerns over the plan’s constitutionality.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 6, 2023 16:08:38 GMT
I’ve watched the first two episodes and it’s heartbreaking
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 7, 2023 1:07:08 GMT
-Josh molested his sisters when they were very young (joy was about 5) In the documentary, I think it was Jill that said she was 12.
Re the long game: it’s like a religious extremist playbook, I swear. The Scientologists have the exact same plan. Wild The same for any high controlled religion or cult. I listen to the podcast Indoctrination and they use the same tactics.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 7, 2023 2:30:42 GMT
Ugh, finished it. Could easily watch another season.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 7, 2023 3:34:39 GMT
I could never understand why the network would give oxygen to these weirdos. Maybe the executives in NY and LA thought they were just quirky and cute. Those of us who have lived in the Bible Belt know there's more to it. I consider myself religious, but much of organized religion is a whole different deal.
I just watched part of an episode and I don't know if I'll watch any more of it.
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Post by scrappyrabbit on Jun 7, 2023 13:35:21 GMT
-Josh molested his sisters when they were very young (joy was about 5) In the documentary, I think it was Jill that said she was 12.
Well yes. Jill is older than Joy. He molested 4 of the sisters and another girl who was a babysitter. Joy was only 5 years old at the time. I haven’t been able to watch yet, but I read that they weren’t going to tell the girl who he was betrothed to about the molestations until they were married. Wowza.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 7, 2023 16:02:00 GMT
I could never understand why the network would give oxygen to these weirdos. $$$ In the documentary they talk about how the popularity of the Duggars took TLC from The Learning Channel to a major player in cable television. Their show was the beginning of all the fascination with strange families and people - Sister Wives, Jon and Kate Plus 8, etc. It's a goldmine.
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