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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 7, 2023 16:05:10 GMT
I wonder about Jill's husband and Jinger's husband what they thought when they started 'dating'. Were they in the same religion and both got out.. or did the husbands help Jill/Jinger get out of it? What were the guys thinking when they were courting then if they were not in that 'religion'.
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Jun 7, 2023 17:24:08 GMT
I wonder about Jill's husband and Jinger's husband what they thought when they started 'dating'. Were they in the same religion and both got out.. or did the husbands help Jill/Jinger get out of it? What were the guys thinking when they were courting then if they were not in that 'religion'. Both girls (and their husbands) are still very religious. I think they basically got rid of the Gothard teachings. Their outward behaviour and appearances may have changed but I think their faith did not.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 7, 2023 17:42:24 GMT
I wonder about Jill's husband and Jinger's husband what they thought when they started 'dating'. Were they in the same religion and both got out.. or did the husbands help Jill/Jinger get out of it? What were the guys thinking when they were courting then if they were not in that 'religion'. Both girls (and their husbands) are still very religious. I think they basically got rid of the Gothard teachings. Their outward behaviour and appearances may have changed but I think their faith did not. Yeah but I wonder what religion the men were? Were they part of the same thing or different. Were they courting the girls in line with their own religion or just being mindful of the girls religion?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 7, 2023 17:49:52 GMT
Wow. Just binge watched the whole thing. 😳😬 Some of that stuff sounds exactly like what some in my extended family believe. For quite a while now I’ve been totally convinced that their “church” is actually a cult. The political aspects of the Joshua Project are frightening. This is straight out of Handmaid’s Tale.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 7, 2023 18:05:33 GMT
Both girls (and their husbands) are still very religious. I think they basically got rid of the Gothard teachings. Their outward behaviour and appearances may have changed but I think their faith did not. Yeah but I wonder what religion the men were? Were they part of the same thing or different. Were they courting the girls in line with their own religion or just being mindful of the girls religion? They had to have been in the same religion or JimBob never would have picked them/ agreed for them to marry his daughters. I think once they (as couples) came to realize that Dear Old Dad had been exploiting them and using them to get rich, they along with their husbands decided enough was enough. At one point Jill mentions that she had “worked” for seven years of her adult life for the show without ever getting paid (including the years she and her husband were in the Counting On followup show, where they even had to agree to film parts of her giving birth which she definitely didn’t want to do) means her husband also “worked” for some of those years and didn’t get paid either. That would have to be a pretty sobering fact when you realize your dad has been making bank off you for decades while you’re feeding your own kids from a food shelf.
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Jun 7, 2023 18:26:39 GMT
Both girls (and their husbands) are still very religious. I think they basically got rid of the Gothard teachings. Their outward behaviour and appearances may have changed but I think their faith did not. Yeah but I wonder what religion the men were? Were they part of the same thing or different. Were they courting the girls in line with their own religion or just being mindful of the girls religion? See to me they aren’t actually different religions. Do fundamental Christians differentiate among themselves? I mean I know they call Catholics and Mormons, etc. false religions but fundies aren’t really denominational are they?
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 7, 2023 21:27:38 GMT
I wonder about Jill's husband and Jinger's husband what they thought when they started 'dating'. Were they in the same religion and both got out.. or did the husbands help Jill/Jinger get out of it? What were the guys thinking when they were courting then if they were not in that 'religion'. Both girls (and their husbands) are still very religious. I think they basically got rid of the Gothard teachings. Their outward behaviour and appearances may have changed but I think their faith did not. I think that's right. My understanding is that they are now conservative evangelical Christians but aren't isolating themselves (they go to church and send kids to school) and are culturally more mainstream (wear pants, don't think alcohol is a sin although they don't drink personally).
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jun 7, 2023 21:55:38 GMT
I wonder, if a lawsuit could be filed against Jim Bob (he is the controller of all the money), to obtain the wages of all those who worked on the show. The now adult children could receive their earned wages, and trusts could be set up for the minor children.
I wonder if Jim Bob could be charged with embezzlement, since he didn't give the children their money or at least set up trusts for each of them for the money they should have been paid?
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 7, 2023 22:08:25 GMT
The cynic in me believes that the husbands of Jill & Jinger are as controlling and nutty as Jim Bob. Not only is not being paid for the show sticking in their craw but they want complete control over their wives. The girls do what their husbands tell them to do. They were raised/brainwashed to be subservient to men.
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Post by craftymom101 on Jun 9, 2023 0:47:33 GMT
I binge watched all four episodes today and it is shocking. One thing that stood out to me was the concept of the older kids having a “buddy” (younger sibling), and that happens as soon as Michelle stops nursing a baby… I didn’t realize babies were given to a sibling so young! Girls as young as 11 essentially parenting, in every aspect of the word, younger siblings is horrible. I cannot imagine robbing my children of their childhood all in the name of bringing more “blessings” into the world.
The video examples of how to spank or hit children with rods to break their spirit was also horrifying.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 9, 2023 2:50:18 GMT
I think I may have watched 2-3 episodes of their show back in the day, but what little I know about them really came from bits and pieces here. I always thought the whole thing was weird, but had no idea how much the oldest’s deviant behavior is ingrained into the religion/upbringing. I think the whole thing is just disgusting and it is sad to see how (the women especially) just accept their lot as being all there is and all they are good for. My god. And then there’s those poor children.
It’s a cult. And it is sickening.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 9, 2023 4:11:32 GMT
The video examples of how to spank or hit children with rods to break their spirit was also horrifying. I watched the first two episode last night and the spanking "lessons" made me feel sick to the stomach. As did Michelle's pathetic little girl voice, and her constantly staring up at her husband.
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Post by luckyjune on Jun 9, 2023 15:41:27 GMT
The cynic in me believes that the husbands of Jill & Jinger are as controlling and nutty as Jim Bob. Not only is not being paid for the show sticking in their craw but they want complete control over their wives. The girls do what their husbands tell them to do. They were raised/brainwashed to be subservient to men. I've thought about this too. I mean, all they knew, coming out of that family, is domineering men. Sadly, it is what would be most familiar and comfortable for Jill and Jinger. And I can't help but think it was their husbands' "permission" that allowed them to break away from their family's teachings. I hardly think the men said, "Hey, this is up to you, not me. You decide what you want to think, wear, etc." If they hadn't been given permission, we'd still see long skirts and lots of gazing adoringly at the men while they speak.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 22, 2023 15:13:27 GMT
I haven't watched but somoene said this isn't really about the Duggars - they were more like clickbait - but rather about the ILBP (I may have that acronym wrong)? I found it was way more focused on the ILBP and their leader more then the Duggars specifically. They were more of an example of what the influence of the IBLP can do to a family.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 22, 2023 15:28:15 GMT
I binge watched it when it came out. I had watched the Duggars early on so I knew about them.
I was shocked to see the connection of IBLP to so many other organized religions especially when fundamentalist- LDS/Mormon, Baptist, etc.
The control aspects, the teachings of purity, that women are only here to birth babies, men in change, lack of education to keep control...
I have been watching a lot of stories about people leaving various religions, mainly LSD and my gosh it is maddening what they went through in the name of God.
I guess Holt is in some trouble too.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 23, 2023 20:33:04 GMT
I binge watched it when it came out. I had watched the Duggars early on so I knew about them. I was shocked to see the connection of IBLP to so many other organized religions especially when fundamentalist- LDS/Mormon, Baptist, etc. The control aspects, the teachings of purity, that women are only here to birth babies, men in change, lack of education to keep control... I have been watching a lot of stories about people leaving various religions, mainly LSD and my gosh it is maddening what they went through in the name of God. I guess Holt is in some trouble too.I have never watched any of the original Duggar shows at all. I heard about them, of course, having so many children and having a TV show to share their lifestyles, but it didn’t sound like anything I would enjoy watching. After reading about the oldest son’s issues, it made me curious to watch this new show, Shiny Happy People. Several things shocked and disgusted me. How the father can keep all of the money made off his kids should not be surprising considering everything else I learned about him, but it was. Maybe not so much when they were all little and the show was new since much of their income would have been channeled into building the home and feeding/clothing so many of them, but as the kids got older, either a trust or direct pay should have gone to them. And offering them $10 an hour after the married couple complained is just a slap in the face! Are there any of the shows on any family members ongoing at this point in time through TLC? I would like to know why Josh got 12 years while Hutchens, the State Trooper that gave Josh a “stern talking to” but didn’t report him ended up getting 56 years for his own pedophile issues. And finally, I just read that Bobye Holt and her son recently filed for protection orders against Jim Holt. I am curious as to what that is about. They appeared to be on the same page in the video. It looks like everyone involved in that religion has some major issues going on and many have legal issues as well. And that Bill Gothard character gave me the creeps just watching him talk. He has all these marriage and child-rearing ideas, yet never married or had any children. And people listened to him? He was kicked out of the organization that he built for his own indiscretions against women. What does he do now? Is he still affiliated in some way to the original organization but just not allowed to be a public face for it any longer? I would not have done well at all being told to be submissive to all men. I still have 1/2 of the final episode to watch so maybe my questions will be answered there.
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