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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2023 23:24:28 GMT
Puck News, whoever they are, suggested 5 names of potential candidates if President Biden drops out of the race.
They are….
Kamala Harris JB Pritizker - Governor of Illinois Gavin Newsom - Governor of California Pete Buttigieg Gretchen Whitmer - Governor of Michigan
Thoughts?
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 15, 2023 23:29:31 GMT
I like them all. I think Biden will run.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 15, 2023 23:37:55 GMT
I adore Pete Buttigieg. He is intelligent, speaks thoughtfully and thoroughly and has the even temperament needed to be President.
Gretchen Whitmer is also excellent, although I thought she had said she wasn't interested (I could be wrong about that). She takes no shit from anyone and would also be excellent.
I dont know a ton about Pritzker (not even sure I spelled that right), but I expect I would be enthusiastic with any of those 5.
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Post by lisae on Aug 16, 2023 0:10:23 GMT
Unless something happens with his health, I don't think Biden will drop out. And unfortunately, he's sticking with Harris. He can't do anything about this age but he could replace his extremely unpopular VP. Whitmer would be the best choice of those listed.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 16, 2023 0:55:34 GMT
Any of them would be fine with me, although I honestly don't think any of them can beat Trump. Pete would be my first choice, but I honestly believe we'll have a woman president before we have a gay male president. And I don't expect to see either in my lifetime. I definitely think people would not rush out to vote for any of those listed however. I know people don't love Biden but I think they like him and expect respect him enough to at least be somewhat galvanized to vote for him. I think there might even be some anti Trump Republicans that will vote for Biden but I don't think they would vote for any of the rest.
I also think it's a moot point I can't imagine why unless something happens to Biden he would not run.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 16, 2023 1:14:21 GMT
I wouldn’t mind him switching up his VP to Whitmer
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 16, 2023 1:16:17 GMT
I think the other options would be too polarizing at this point or are an unknown.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 16, 2023 1:27:04 GMT
Let’s see in a political party which wants to be known for its diversity decides to replace a qualified black woman with a white woman for VP.
Gee I wonder what kind of blowback that would receive?
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 16, 2023 1:57:21 GMT
I think best strategy, Biden will run and beat Trump and both men will be too old for any more terms, well, of course Biden can't run again and then let the new group in. I think America will be ready for anything besides old white men.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 16, 2023 2:28:16 GMT
I still feel many in this country are not ready for a woman president and many may not vote for one even if she is a good candidate. And Pete, I would vote for him in a heartbeat but not so sure about others, and I’m thinking about several people I know who voted for Biden.
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Post by peabay on Aug 16, 2023 2:52:14 GMT
Would I love a woman? Yes. Is something fundamentally wrong with Americans that they cannot possibly see a woman as President? Yes. So Pritzker would be my pick. But is America ready for a Jewish President? I don't know...
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 16, 2023 2:54:40 GMT
I think best strategy, Biden will run and beat Trump and both men will be too old for any more terms, well, of course Biden can't run again and then let the new group in. I think America will be ready for anything besides old white men. Exactly this. When the younger generations become a bigger percentage of voters, they will demand younger candidates.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 16, 2023 3:47:24 GMT
I don't really understand the intense dislike of VP Harris. There have been a few occasions where she could have spoken more articulately or clearly. And she's been tasked with nearly impossible things like voting rights and immigration. The first 2 years, she was somewhat handcuffed to DC because she needed to be available on short notice in DC for tie breaking votes in the 50-50 Senate. But, I think the biggest problem is that she is a favorite target of conservative media, in part because she is a powerful black woman. Lately, she seems to have taken on more public roles - talking about DeSantis' curriculum in Florida, going to Tennessee to support the 2 black lawmakers who were expelled, abortion rights etc. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/15/kamala-harris-biden-2024-reelection-strategy/V ice President Harris has taken her share of lumps over the past 2½ years. No doubt, her gender and race increased scrutiny and raised the level of vitriol coming from right-wing media. Some of her difficulties reflected the challenges any vice president faces: namely, to be simultaneously impressive and invisible. Some of her difficulties can be attributed to her eagerness to take on thankless tasks (e.g., stemming the tide of migrants from Central America).
Certainly, she’ll want to steer clear of directly commenting on Trump’s multiple legal proceedings, but she can skillfully remind people that reelecting Trump is inconsistent with defending democracy and the rule of law. She can remind people what they saw and heard on Jan. 6, skewering Republicans for their lies.
Harris has been raked over the coals as vice president. But few have ever doubted her skill as a passionate inquisitor and prosecutor — roles essential in a presidential campaign. It’s time to let Kamala Harris be herself.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2023 3:53:53 GMT
Harris is fine. TFG has demonized her along with his GOP pals..
Pete would be great, the country (GOP) is not ready and may never be. Democrats would not be 100% ...
Such hard choices....
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 16, 2023 3:54:28 GMT
Somewhat off topic, but I really like VP Harris' husband. The love and support he shows her is really sweet. He is the first 2nd gentleman but he seems to fill that role really well and would also make a great 1st gentleman. He talked with NPR about anti-semitism and said this about his wife www.npr.org/2023/02/17/1157440217/doug-emhoff-antisemitismI want to also be able to make sure there are more Kamala Harrises out there. I don't want anyone to look at me and think, "Wow, I'm not going to go put myself out there in public service because that Doug Emhoff guy was not supportive." I want to be as supportive as I can to help her in her incredibly intense job of being vice president, but I also understand that people are watching me and watching how I do this. I want to make sure I'm setting as good an example as I can in this role, so we have more women in leadership. We need that.and he said this about toxic masculinity www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/04/douglas-emhoff-kamala-harris-toxic-masculinity/“We’ve kind of confused what it means to be a man, what it means to be masculine. You’ve got this trope out there that you’ve got to be tough and angry and lash out to be strong. It’s just the opposite,” he said. “Strength is how you show your love for people. Strength is how you are for people and how you have their back. And how you stick up for other people and [push back] against bullies.” Hear! Hear!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 16, 2023 3:58:32 GMT
He loves and cares greatly for his wife and our VP. It plainly shows with his support and encouragement.
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Post by casii on Aug 16, 2023 12:26:37 GMT
I think best strategy, Biden will run and beat Trump and both men will be too old for any more terms, well, of course Biden can't run again and then let the new group in. I think America will be ready for anything besides old white men. There is a tiktok guy who has worked the numbers on how elections would go if only certain ages or genders voted. Based on those numbers and voting records, once the older generation is no longer the largest voting block, the ballgame is open for all viable candidates instead of just old white men. It's both shocking and hopeful. He also breaks down various demographic stats for red, purple, blue states including domestic abuse, SA, violence, education, etc. All I can say is vote blue based on that.
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Post by Merge on Aug 16, 2023 12:35:30 GMT
I don't really understand the intense dislike of VP Harris. There have been a few occasions where she could have spoken more articulately or clearly. And she's been tasked with nearly impossible things like voting rights and immigration. The first 2 years, she was somewhat handcuffed to DC because she needed to be available on short notice in DC for tie breaking votes in the 50-50 Senate. But, I think the biggest problem is that she is a favorite target of conservative media, in part because she is a powerful black woman. Lately, she seems to have taken on more public roles - talking about DeSantis' curriculum in Florida, going to Tennessee to support the 2 black lawmakers who were expelled, abortion rights etc. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/15/kamala-harris-biden-2024-reelection-strategy/V ice President Harris has taken her share of lumps over the past 2½ years. No doubt, her gender and race increased scrutiny and raised the level of vitriol coming from right-wing media. Some of her difficulties reflected the challenges any vice president faces: namely, to be simultaneously impressive and invisible. Some of her difficulties can be attributed to her eagerness to take on thankless tasks (e.g., stemming the tide of migrants from Central America).
Certainly, she’ll want to steer clear of directly commenting on Trump’s multiple legal proceedings, but she can skillfully remind people that reelecting Trump is inconsistent with defending democracy and the rule of law. She can remind people what they saw and heard on Jan. 6, skewering Republicans for their lies.
Harris has been raked over the coals as vice president. But few have ever doubted her skill as a passionate inquisitor and prosecutor — roles essential in a presidential campaign. It’s time to let Kamala Harris be herself.Agree. I don’t get the hatred. The VP role has never been super powerful, so I don’t know what people expect. Like you, I think a lot of the criticism comes from underlying race and gender issues. I would vote for her. She’s not my first choice of candidate, but I do think she’d be a stronger president than Biden has been. I don’t think she’d take any shit from the likes of Manchin and Sinema, for starters.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 16, 2023 15:18:46 GMT
Would I love a woman? Yes. Is something fundamentally wrong with Americans that they cannot possibly see a woman as President? Yes. So Pritzker would be my pick. But is America ready for a Jewish President? I don't know... I remember when Kennedy was elected and a lot of people lost their damned minds that a Catholic was in the White House. They said the Pope was going to run the US. So stupid but yeah, you are right. We have even more stupid people now so a Jewish president probably wouldn't fly, nor would a gay person or probably a woman. Sad.
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Post by hopechest on Aug 16, 2023 20:55:17 GMT
I think best strategy, Biden will run and beat Trump and both men will be too old for any more terms, well, of course Biden can't run again and then let the new group in. I think America will be ready for anything besides old white men. Exactly this. When the younger generations become a bigger percentage of voters, they will demand younger candidates. I cannot WAIT. For the younger generation that is....not the Biden/Trump fiasco that is certain to unfold. I love Whitmer and Buttigeig, but I don't think they can win unfortunately.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 19, 2023 18:14:05 GMT
I have a question. There is this rumbling that this country needs to stop electing “old white guys”. I have been pondering what President Biden has accomplished in spite of the voters not doing their job.
So when one talks about electing a younger person to be president what specifically do you think they would address what President Biden hasn’t?
To me the most important thing when electing a president is can they do the job. Something that became very important after the idiots of this country elected trump.
I have nothing against electing a younger person to be president. In 2020 I voted for Pete Buttigieg in the CA primary. But I’m told that a person who I think can do a good job as President can’t win because he’s gay. How stupid is that?
As to doing something about Manchin & Sinema what specifically do you think President Biden should have done?
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 19, 2023 18:33:38 GMT
Manchin really wanted the pipeline. I'm sure there was a deal to be cut there to carve out an exception to the filibuster for voting rights. And if the carrot didn't work - then a stick. Take away his committees and his chair of the energy one.
No one thinks Buttigieg can't do a good job because he's gay. It's about electability. And regrettably, this country is not ready to elect someone who is openly gay. Maybe in 4 or 8 years when the younger generations are a bigger percentage of the voters. Like it or not, elections are popularity contests and candidates need to be personable, charming and likable. A lot of people refused to vote for Hillary because they just didn't like her. Trump isn't a likable guy but the producers of his stupid reality show really sold the image of a successful business person.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 19, 2023 19:03:34 GMT
If President Biden should decide not to run I would like to see a Harris/Buttigieg ticket or Newsom/Buttigieg ticket. What I don’t want to see are white Governors from Democratic Midwestern states. Below is why. Harris is getting on the job training and Newsom is the governor of a state facing/dealing with the problems facing this country. Not just climate change and the affects of but the diversity of the population and the industries that make up the most populous state in the United States. Not to mention the fifth largest economy in the world. From Politico…. link“ Washington can’t get a climate pact. Gavin Newsom just cut another one.”“The most effective U.S. negotiator on international climate cooperation right now isn’t in Washington. It’s California Gov. Gavin Newsom, whose new pacts with China and other major polluters are cementing the Golden State’s role as a climate policy power broker. U.S. climate envoy John Kerry emerged from negotiations last month with Xie Zhenhua, his counterpart in Beijing, with no new agreement on climate change. Kerry touted the mere resumption of talks as a victory — underscoring the communications breakdown between the world’s two biggest polluters as tensions flare over trade, Taiwan, Russia and human rights issues. Enter the world’s fifth-largest economy, which has long been using its firm political consensus on climate change as a platform to broker international agreements with foreign allies and adversaries alike. California’s role as a de facto shadow government on climate diplomacy is only becoming more important as geopolitical tensions rise and Congress remains riven over China’s role in the green transition, officials say. “We recognize that our federal leaders are balancing a lot of factors and priorities, and we want to support them,” said California Natural Resources Secretary Wade Crowfoot in an interview. “California is a strong cornerstone of climate leadership that’s stable and driving forward.” State Transportation Secretary Toks Omishakin, with Newsom standing by, signed an agreement earlier this month with the Chinese province of Hainan to work together on phasing out fossil fuel vehicles, improving energy efficiency in buildings and enforcing air pollution and greenhouse gas rules, among other areas. The memo came on the heels of another agreement Newsom signed in April renewing a Jerry Brown-era partnership with China’s Ministry of Ecology and Environment to encourage policy and academic exchanges. The administration is also inking a pact on climate and energy with Australia on Tuesday. The deal, to be signed in Sacramento with Australian ambassador Kevin Rudd, focuses on clean energy and emissions reductions, with a special emphasis on bolstering resilience to wildfire, heat and drought, which both Australia and California have suffered increasingly from in recent years. Beyond the formal language of the agreements, administration and academic officials are holding meetings, touring agency facilities and exchanging technical details about how to enforce regulations. “These are more than just ceremonial meetings,” said Mary Nichols, the former chair of the California Air Resources Board, in an interview. “These are planned sessions where people will spend a day, a week, or even more doing a deep dive into some specific issue that they’re working on.” Leveraging longtime tiesNewsom has been eager to pick up the bipartisan climate diplomacy mantle from previous administrations. Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) championed regional climate action through the United Nations, and his successor, Gov. Jerry Brown (D), signed hundreds of subnational officials to his pledge to keep temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius. Brown also famously traveled to China to tout state-level action after President Donald Trump withdrew the United States from the U.N. Paris climate agreement. Key players on the California side include: Lauren Sanchez, Newsom’s climate adviser and a former senior adviser to Kerry Yana Garcia, secretary of the California Environmental Protection Agency, who’s been working with Mexico on coordinating clean-truck and recycling rules Crowfoot, who has been discussing flood resilience with Australia and wildfire management with Canada Sanchez said California often has just as much to learn from its international partners as it has to share. Hainan “has an even more aggressive zero-emissions vehicle mandate than we do,” she said. “There’s a real opportunity for us to learn about how they’re thinking about incentive structures and regulations, and there’s obviously a lot of in-country manufacturing over in China.” Academics are also playing key roles, leveraging longstanding ties that stretch across administrations. Yunshi Wang, director of UC Davis’ China Center for Energy and Transportation, first got to know Beijing party official Feng Fei in 2013 when he brought Tom Cackette, a former Air Resources Board deputy executive officer, to China to talk about the state’s zero-emission vehicle mandate. Fei later became Hainan’s party secretary, paving the way for the recent agreement. “Beijing was wrapped in soupy air,” Wang said. “He saw the benefits of those collaborations and the good part of the policy coming out of California.” Much of the diplomacy is also conducted through the California-China Climate Institute, a think tank that Brown established at UC Berkeley after leaving office in 2019 that often partners with Tsinghua University in Beijing. “We’ve, on a continuing basis, been working on various kinds of papers with Chinese scholars that get into the specifics about various climate policies,” said Nichols, who now serves as vice chair of the Berkeley institute. “That’s not something that the State Department can do right now or is doing.” Treading carefullyThat’s not to say California is immune to geopolitical winds. Wang said he made sure not to include any mention of investment or technology exchange as he was helping draft the Hainan agreement. “Right now we are trying to avoid that,” said Wang. “These are thorny issues for Washington.” Subnational players like California also have inherent limitations. “As national governments find themselves more and more paralyzed, it’s not a bad idea to have states and cities form more concrete relationships,” said Orville Schell, director of the Asia Society’s Center on U.S.-China relations. “But they have to be mindful — you know, you don’t want to stray into the microchip world. You don’t want to stray into areas that have implications for national security, because more and more people are beginning to wonder if competition with China could actually turn into a military conflict.” California has learned from its years of trying to forge ties with other governments. Despite repeated attempts to link greenhouse gas markets, it’s only managed to sign up one trading partner — the Canadian province of Quebec. It’s focusing more now on traditional trade ties, with Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis recently leading a delegation to Japan of some 80 renewable energy and transportation industry executives. State officials still see their diplomatic work as one of the key pillars of their push for carbon neutrality. “The formal linkages are not working that well yet,” said Dan Sperling, an Air Resources Board member and founding director of UC Davis’ Institute of Transportation Studies. “So mostly what we’re doing is adopting aggressive requirements on industry — cars, trucks, buses, fuels — and hoping they’re replicated around the world.”
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 19, 2023 19:11:52 GMT
I love Whitmer! I wish Biden would step aside!!
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Post by caangel on Aug 19, 2023 22:08:20 GMT
I think best strategy, Biden will run and beat Trump and both men will be too old for any more terms, well, of course Biden can't run again and then let the new group in. I think America will be ready for anything besides old white men. There is a tiktok guy who has worked the numbers on how elections would go if only certain ages or genders voted. Based on those numbers and voting records, once the older generation is no longer the largest voting block, the ballgame is open for all viable candidates instead of just old white men. It's both shocking and hopeful. He also breaks down various demographic stats for red, purple, blue states including domestic abuse, SA, violence, education, etc. All I can say is vote blue based on that. Does he have a prediction (based on data) of when the shift might happen?
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 19, 2023 22:54:03 GMT
I have a question. There is this rumbling that this country needs to stop electing “old white guys”. I have been pondering what President Biden has accomplished in spite of the voters not doing their job. So when one talks about electing a younger person to be president what specifically do you think they would address what President Biden hasn’t? For me, the “old white guys” refers to all branches of government, not just the president. We need representatives that understand the issues facing the bulk of our country, and, frankly, that ain’t 65+.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 20, 2023 1:26:15 GMT
There is a tiktok guy who has worked the numbers on how elections would go if only certain ages or genders voted. Based on those numbers and voting records, once the older generation is no longer the largest voting block, the ballgame is open for all viable candidates instead of just old white men. It's both shocking and hopeful. He also breaks down various demographic stats for red, purple, blue states including domestic abuse, SA, violence, education, etc. All I can say is vote blue based on that. Does he have a prediction (based on data) of when the shift might happen? Millennials and Plurals (Gen Z) will be a majority in 2028 and over 60% by 2036. www.brookings.edu/articles/younger-voters-are-poised-to-upend-american-politics/
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 20, 2023 15:58:44 GMT
I have a question. There is this rumbling that this country needs to stop electing “old white guys”. I have been pondering what President Biden has accomplished in spite of the voters not doing their job. So when one talks about electing a younger person to be president what specifically do you think they would address what President Biden hasn’t? For me, the “old white guys” refers to all branches of government, not just the president. We need representatives that understand the issues facing the bulk of our country, and, frankly, that ain’t 65+. What are the issues facing the bulk of our country us boomers don’t get? Serious question.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 20, 2023 16:30:14 GMT
I do not think there is a snowballs chance that Biden/Harris could get re-elected.
He would stand a chance with a different VP.
Without a different VP, Robert Kennedy will take away too many votes.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 20, 2023 17:03:55 GMT
For me, the “old white guys” refers to all branches of government, not just the president. We need representatives that understand the issues facing the bulk of our country, and, frankly, that ain’t 65+. What are the issues facing the bulk of our country us boomers don’t get? Serious question. OK Boomer Aside from the differences, it's time for boomers to retire and turn over the reins to younger generations. Younger generations are feeling resentful. Economic stability and prospects for young workers and people with lower income have been sacrificed to make more money for the wealthy. Time to step aside and let younger generations govern. Younger generations want people who have lived their reality, lived their experience to represent them. Older generations don't understand how circumstances have dramatically changed. Boomers assume because they paid for college, their own house etc, younger generations should be able to do the same. Boomers are not leaving a better world for younger generations. Boomers have slashed taxes for the wealthy, ignored climate change, allowed the opioid crisis to happen, allowed manufacturing jobs to disappear, financed expensive wars and tax cuts for the wealthy with deficits. It's not a coincidence that Reagan was elected with failed trickle down economics when boomers were the biggest voting block. The boomers flipped ask not what you can do for your country to individualism, privatized gain and societal risks for big banks, the opioid crisis, loss of manufacturing jobs and the housing crisis. Differences between boomers and younger generations Changing jobs/careers frequently Technology Mental illness - Depression and anxiety were taboo, a sign of weakness Values - For younger generations, life is about more than working hard, providing for your family, buying a house etc. Younger generations want a better work life balance. Spirituality - younger generations are less religious Money - Younger generations are less concerned about passing down wealth. Younger generations have a very different experience with money - they can't afford college or buying their own house. Guns - Younger generations have lived with the reality, trauma and fear of school and other mass shootings. Housing - It's not uncommon for younger generations to not be able to afford to live where they grew up. Environment - Younger generations feel the boomers prioritized making money over protecting the earth. And boomers will not be around or required to face or pay for the most serious consequences. Younger generations will be forced to clean up the mess made by boomers. Infrastructure - Schools, roads, transportation etc. Boomers benefitted from infrastructure but have not put money into maintaining it. Facts/ evidence/ science - Boomers are still clinging to trickle down economics despite all of the evidence that it doesn't work Immigration - Younger generations are much more likely to see immigrants as a strength for the economy Diversity - Younger generations are much more diverse and more inclusive. www.vox.com/2017/12/20/16772670/baby-boomers-millennials-congress-debtwww.pbs.org/newshour/show/ok-boomer-whats-behind-millennials-growing-resentment-for-their-predecessors
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