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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 11, 2024 16:29:34 GMT
No $$ given, sez the man who hounds his supporters for $$ that pay his attorney fees.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 11, 2024 17:03:04 GMT
Reminiscent of “Russia are you listening?”
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 11, 2024 17:12:59 GMT
A new NBC poll released this week found a combined 76 percent of voters say they have major (62 percent) or moderate (14 percent) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term. Perhaps most worrisomely for the president, 81 percent of independents and 54 percent of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term. From Politico And that was BEFORE this report that confirmed the mental decline they've all seen. I wonder what the numbers will be now🤔
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 11, 2024 17:31:32 GMT
A new NBC poll released this week found a combined 76 percent of voters say they have major (62 percent) or moderate (14 percent) concerns about Biden lacking the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term. Perhaps most worrisomely for the president, 81 percent of independents and 54 percent of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term. From Politico And that was BEFORE this report that confirmed the mental decline they've all seen. I wonder what the numbers will be now🤔 I suspect after the little nuggets your lord and master dropped last night his numbers will go down.
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Post by Merge on Feb 11, 2024 17:57:35 GMT
It would be so nice if the people supporting Trump here would be the first to suffer pain under his fascist regime.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:02:25 GMT
Poll numbers 7 months out don’t mean anything. Remember the red wave that never happened? 7 months from now, the Hur report will only be a blip. Assuming Biden does a good job delivering his State of the Union address, his numbers will go up. The headlines will hopefully shift to Trump’s latest posts and his speech last night. When people hear his plans to withdraw from NATO, stop funding to Ukraine and allow Putin to do whatever he wants, Trump’s numbers will drop. Americans overwhelmingly support Ukraine. And as Trump’s legal battles drag on, his numbers will go down. If the Supreme Court declines to hear the immunity appeal, that case will move quickly. These are the numbers you should worry about. If convicted, 53% of voters in swing states will not vote for Trump. And those numbers have held steady. thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4441241-trump-poll-convictions-deep-trouble/
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 11, 2024 18:24:22 GMT
Seems like a really good time to buy this.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:40:10 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:42:01 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:43:00 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:43:33 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 11, 2024 18:47:06 GMT
He didn't give a diagnosis. He stated what he witnessed.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:54:43 GMT
He didn't give a diagnosis. He stated what he witnessed. And it was gratuitous, inappropriate, unprofessional and politically motivated.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 11, 2024 18:58:45 GMT
He didn't give a diagnosis. He stated what he witnessed. And it was gratuitous, inappropriate, unprofessional and politically motivated. Stating what he witnessed was none of those things. It's part of the job.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 18:59:07 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/09/biden-documents-hur-memory-lethal/Hur made the right choice in concluding that criminal charges are not warranted and in distinguishing Biden’s treatment of classified material from that of former president Donald Trump. The same cannot be said of Hur’s depiction of what he presented as Biden’s enfeebled cognitive condition, “a well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” The report’s extensive discussions of that issue were not merely gratuitous — they constituted an egregious transgression of prosecutorial boundaries. This portrayal of Biden as a doddering old man is inconsistent with what I hear from those who have frequent interactions with him. But assuming its accuracy, the details go far beyond what is appropriate to explain the decision to decline prosecution, and far beyond Hur’s brief. If, as Hur concludes, “the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden’s guilt,” why does it matter how a jury would assess Biden’s state of mind at a hypothetical trial? Hur has a stellar résumé and a fine reputation. It’s understandable that Garland, in seeking a special counsel, wanted someone who wouldn’t be perceived as a Biden partisan. But Hur isn’t just a run-of-the-mill Republican — he served as top deputy to Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein before becoming U.S. attorney for Maryland. As the Biden special counsel, he chose for his own top deputy another former Trump U.S. attorney, Marc Krickbaum. So, it is no surprise that Democrats are crying foul that the report they produced offers such ammunition to Biden opponents. It arrives in the midst of the presidential campaign, a contest in which the question of Biden’s age and cognitive fitness is a central issue. Prosecutors are supposed to remain above the partisan fray, not embroiled in it. Sometimes such spillover is inevitable. But a responsible prosecutor would have taken care to avoid what Hur has done, which is to let his report become a potent — perhaps even lethal — weapon in the coming campaign.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 11, 2024 18:59:57 GMT
It would be so nice if the people supporting Trump here would be the first to suffer pain under his fascist regime. AMEN
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 19:02:00 GMT
And it was gratuitous, inappropriate, unprofessional and politically motivated. Stating what he witnessed was none of those things. It's part of the job. No, it wasn’t part of his job. His job was to determine in Biden should be prosecuted for his handling of classified documents. His commentary on Biden’s memory was completely unwarranted, unprofessional and politically motivated.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 19:08:54 GMT
Happy to see this is the headline today in the Washington Post, as it should be. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/10/trump-nato-allies-russia/Trump says he’d disregard NATO treaty, urge Russian attacks on U.S. allies GOP front-runner said he encouraged Russia to “do whatever the hell they want” to member countries he views as not spending enough on own defense. CONWAY, S.C. — Former president Donald Trump ramped up his attacks on NATO on Saturday, claiming he suggested to a foreign leader that he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to member countries he views as not spending enough on their own defense. “NATO isn’t a pay to play set up, as Trump seems to think. It’s an Alliance that is first and foremost about US national security interests to prevent another world war originating in Europe,” said Alina Polyakova, president and CEO of the Center for European Policy Analysis, in an email to The Post. “The US investment in NATO is worth every dollar - the only time that the article 5 collective defense clause was initiated was in response to 9/11. Our Allies came to our aid then, and it would be shameful and misguided to not do the same.” Daniel Fried, a former assistant secretary of state for European affairs and fellow at the Atlantic Council, said of Trump: “He seems to prefer a world based on pure power where other countries, where the [U.S.] intimidates or threatens other countries. The trouble with that is when we need them those other countries won’t be there.” “Encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged – and it endangers American national security, global stability, and our economy at home,” White House spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 11, 2024 19:30:07 GMT
Yes, it really was outside the bounds. It was highly unethical, unduly and unfairly disparaging, and prejudicial. I suspect that because Hur couldn’t find evidence of a crime, he decided he’d do a hit job instead by peppering the report with pejoratives. But I really blame Garland for this—as I said prior, I don’t understand why he would have greenlit the publication of this when it goes against DOJ’s rules. You don’t assassinate a target of an investigation by editorializing your report with your personal opinions. A prosecutor deals with facts and evidence pertinent to the case. Period. Whatever Hur thought of Biden’s current mental fitness has no bearing on whether Biden committed a crime or not when he left the Senate and the vice-presidency. Hur interviewed not only Biden over several hours, but over a hundred witnesses as well. And found he cannot sustain a case because there is no evidence of a crime! That’s it. That’s all that should have been on a declination report. Instead, we ended up with a 300+-page document larded with malice and innuendo, interspersed with paragraphs conceding there is no bloody evidence of a crime or intent! WTH. If this isn’t political hackery, I don’t know what is.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 11, 2024 20:17:19 GMT
Yes, it really was outside the bounds. It was highly unethical, unduly and unfairly disparaging, and prejudicial. I suspect that because Hur couldn’t find evidence of a crime, he decided he’d do a hit job instead by peppering the report with pejoratives. But I really blame Garland for this—as I said prior, I don’t understand why he would have greenlit the publication of this when it goes against DOJ’s rules. You don’t assassinate a target of an investigation by editorializing your report with your personal opinions. A prosecutor deals with facts and evidence pertinent to the case. Period. Whatever Hur thought of Biden’s current mental fitness has no bearing on whether Biden committed a crime or not when he left the Senate and the vice-presidency. Hur interviewed not only Biden over several hours, but over a hundred witnesses as well. And found he cannot sustain a case because there is no evidence of a crime! That’s it. That’s all that should have been on a declination report. Instead, we ended up with a 300+-page document larded with malice and innuendo, interspersed with paragraphs conceding there is no bloody evidence of a crime or intent! WTH. If this isn’t political hackery, I don’t know what is. They DID find evidence of a crime. He knew in 2017 that he had classified documents. In Biden's own words “I just found all the classified stuff downstairs.” From the report: "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness. It absolutely had bearing on whether or not the could convict him of the "serious felony" they discovered. No, that is not what they found. They absolutely DID find evidence of a crime. They found other possibilities for whether it was willfullness or not and couldn't within a reasonable doubt, exclude them. But they absolutely DID find evidence of a crime. Describing what they witnessed is not political hackery. The mental state. and ability of the sitting president is pretty fucking relevent.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 11, 2024 21:17:49 GMT
Stating what he witnessed was none of those things. It's part of the job. No, it wasn’t part of his job. His job was to determine in Biden should be prosecuted for his handling of classified documents. His commentary on Biden’s memory was completely unwarranted, unprofessional and politically motivated. Exactly, he pulled a Comey. Surprised he didn't wait til September/October, or even a week before the election.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 21:48:39 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 21:53:34 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 21:56:06 GMT
I don’t understand how Republican politicians who claim to care about the constitution continue to support the former guy. If Trump is re-elected, he will not defend the constitution. He will consolidate executive powers and violate the constitution again.
A brilliant retired lawyer from Minnesota, Albert T. Goins, has given me permission to quote this excerpt from his latest observations about Mr. Trump’s willingness to to give aid and support to those who would attack our allies:
“Perhaps, Mr. Trump forgot (if he ever knew) that our international obligations and treaties—such as those we undertook as members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization—are themselves the supreme law of the land as recognized at Article VI of our Constitution.
As the so-called supremacy clause states in relevant part:
“This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land….” Article VI, Clause 2 of the U. S. Constitution.
Now, Mr. Trump’s inane remarks are likely well with the zone of protected political speech under our First Amendment rights, but his South Carolina statement evinces Trump’s fundamental unfitness to serve as President—and reveals his willingness to turn our treaty obligations into a seamy political ‘protection racket.’
And, Trump’s claims that he would encourage an adversary to attack an ally based on his personal view that they were ‘delinquent’ in making financial contributions to that alliance raise more serious concerns.
Donald Trump’s statements in South Carolina may not themselves rise to the level of an insurrection, but they clearly reveal the fact that if he regains office Mr. Trump is poised to unravel the binding obligations which the Constitution has imposed upon every president from Washington to Biden.”
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 22:10:47 GMT
Someone who doesn’t have a basic knowledge of history and geography and lacks an understanding of our international obligations should never be given the power of the White House. Trump didn’t know the UK was a nuclear power and didn’t know where Sweden is located. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/us/politics/trump-nato.htmlFavoring Foes Over Friends, Trump Threatens to Upend International Order Former President Donald J. Trump suggested that he would incite Russia to attack “delinquent” U.S. allies, foreshadowing potentially far-reaching changes in the world order if he wins the White House again. Soon after former President Donald J. Trump took office, his staff explained how NATO’s mutual defense obligations worked. “You mean, if Russia attacked Lithuania, we would go to war with Russia?” he responded. “That’s crazy.” Mr. Trump has never believed in the fundamental one-for-all-and-all-for-one concept of the Atlantic alliance. Indeed, he spent much of his four-year presidency undermining it while strong-arming members into keeping their commitments to spend more on their own militaries with the threat that he would not come to their aid otherwise. But he took it to a whole new level over the weekend, declaring at a rally in South Carolina that not only would he not defend European countries he deemed to be in arrears from an attack by Russia, he would go so far as to “encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” against them. Never before has a president of the United States — even a former one aspiring to reclaim the office — suggested that he would incite an enemy to attack American allies. “The credibility of NATO rests on the credibility of the man that occupies the Oval Office, since it’s the decisions taken there that in a critical situation will be decisive,” said Carl Bildt, a former prime minister of Sweden, which is completing its accession to NATO as the 32nd member. “This applies to what could be crisis management in a minor engagement of some sort to the ultimate issue of the nuclear deterrent,” he said. “If Putin threatened nuclear strikes against Poland, would Trump say that he doesn’t care?” Mr. Trump’s fixation on being paid by allies extends beyond Europe. At one point he assailed the mutual defense treaty with Japan that has been in force since 1951 and at other points he prepared to order United States troops out of South Korea. During an interview in 2021 shortly after leaving office, he made clear if he returned to power that he would demand South Korea pay billions of dollars to keep American troops there. (In fact, South Korea pays $1 billion a year and spent $9.7 billion expanding Camp Humphreys for American forces; Mr. Trump said he wants $5 billion a year.) National security veterans of both parties said that thinking misunderstands the value of the alliances for the United States. It is a benefit to Americans, they say, to have overseas bases in places like Germany and South Korea that enable quick responses to crises around the world. It also deters adventurism by outcast states like North Korea. “America’s commitment to its allies is not altruism or charity, but serves a vital national interest,” Mr. Lute said. The uncertainty that would result from Mr. Trump’s lack of commitment would lead to volatility unseen in years. “The only saving grace,” Mr. Bildt said, “is that he will probably be so unreliable and unpredictable that even the Kremlin would be somewhat uncertain. But they would know that they have a fair chance of playing him politically in any crisis.”
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Post by Merge on Feb 11, 2024 22:12:34 GMT
Imagine being so committed to carrying water for a fascist that you're willing to post not one but two threads smearing his opponent, and then argue with at least one actual attorney about what the documents report said (whether a crime was committed) and whether the additional speculation was ethical.
Strong pick-me vibes happening here. But hon, he's never going to love you.
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Post by Merge on Feb 11, 2024 22:13:13 GMT
Someone who doesn’t have a basic knowledge of history and geography and lacks an understanding of our international obligations should never be given the power of the White House. Trump didn’t know the UK was a nuclear power and didn’t know where Sweden is located. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/us/politics/trump-nato.htmlFavoring Foes Over Friends, Trump Threatens to Upend International Order Former President Donald J. Trump suggested that he would incite Russia to attack “delinquent” U.S. allies, foreshadowing potentially far-reaching changes in the world order if he wins the White House again. Soon after former President Donald J. Trump took office, his staff explained how NATO’s mutual defense obligations worked. “You mean, if Russia attacked Lithuania, we would go to war with Russia?” he responded. “That’s crazy.” Mr. Trump has never believed in the fundamental one-for-all-and-all-for-one concept of the Atlantic alliance. Indeed, he spent much of his four-year presidency undermining it while strong-arming members into keeping their commitments to spend more on their own militaries with the threat that he would not come to their aid otherwise. But he took it to a whole new level over the weekend, declaring at a rally in South Carolina that not only would he not defend European countries he deemed to be in arrears from an attack by Russia, he would go so far as to “encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” against them. Never before has a president of the United States — even a former one aspiring to reclaim the office — suggested that he would incite an enemy to attack American allies. Right? Issues of mental decline aside, he was too stupid to be president in the first place.
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Post by Merge on Feb 11, 2024 22:15:49 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 11, 2024 22:18:14 GMT
Someone who doesn’t have a basic knowledge of history and geography and lacks an understanding of our international obligations should never be given the power of the White House. Trump didn’t know the UK was a nuclear power and didn’t know where Sweden is located. www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/us/politics/trump-nato.htmlFavoring Foes Over Friends, Trump Threatens to Upend International Order Former President Donald J. Trump suggested that he would incite Russia to attack “delinquent” U.S. allies, foreshadowing potentially far-reaching changes in the world order if he wins the White House again. Soon after former President Donald J. Trump took office, his staff explained how NATO’s mutual defense obligations worked. “You mean, if Russia attacked Lithuania, we would go to war with Russia?” he responded. “That’s crazy.” Mr. Trump has never believed in the fundamental one-for-all-and-all-for-one concept of the Atlantic alliance. Indeed, he spent much of his four-year presidency undermining it while strong-arming members into keeping their commitments to spend more on their own militaries with the threat that he would not come to their aid otherwise. But he took it to a whole new level over the weekend, declaring at a rally in South Carolina that not only would he not defend European countries he deemed to be in arrears from an attack by Russia, he would go so far as to “encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” against them. Never before has a president of the United States — even a former one aspiring to reclaim the office — suggested that he would incite an enemy to attack American allies. Right? Issues of mental decline aside, he was too stupid to be president in the first place. Exactly. I will take an aging president over a stupid one any day. But someone who defends Trump’s idea to study the injection of bleach will never see Trump’s sheer stupidity.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 11, 2024 22:23:14 GMT
I trust Judge Luttig’s opinion. Hur acted like a political hack.
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