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Post by gar on Mar 22, 2024 23:20:02 GMT
So much for the theory that if she did this earlier there wouldn’t have been all these conspiracies. I am seeing video after video of people saying that her announcement used AI and it’s not her. Pointing out that there is no movement in the background, one of her eyes, etc. Some people need to get out more 😒
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Post by pjaye on Mar 22, 2024 23:33:23 GMT
So much for the theory that if she did this earlier there wouldn’t have been all these conspiracies. I am seeing video after video of people saying that her announcement used AI and it’s not her. Pointing out that there is no movement in the background, one of her eyes, etc. I don't even think the people posting that bullshit believe it - they are simply using the conspiracies & lies to get attention & clicks and to profit from it. I posted this on the other thread as well...it's even more disgusting to knowingly spread misinformation because you know you can make money out someone else's misfortune and pain. Vultures, all of them.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 23, 2024 0:13:27 GMT
Worth reading: I Hope You All Feel Terrible NowI hadn't heard about Stephen Colberts monologue (it's linked in the article), but I hope he's well ashamed of himself this morning too, he can take a seat on the cunt bench next to Pink Lady.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 23, 2024 0:34:41 GMT
So much for the theory that if she did this earlier there wouldn’t have been all these conspiracies. I am seeing video after video of people saying that her announcement used AI and it’s not her. Pointing out that there is no movement in the background, one of her eyes, etc. I’m going to disagree here. I think if they (KP PR not Kate) handled this much earlier on there wouldn’t have been this big of a feeding frenzy, it wouldn’t have gone this mainstream. Would there have always been whack-a-doodles and conspiracy theories? Of course. But I personally think had they released a simple “thank you for the well wishes” message earlier, when people started to question not seeing or hearing from her, it would not have been such a huge deal with the mainstream public. Please note, I am not suggesting a photo, more medical information, or anything at all like that. Just a simple message to keep it from blowing up quite as bad. Then they compounded the problem with the manipulated photo. When the mood was already starting to percolate, they did something that still has some people questioning the truthfulness of what comes from KP. In my mind, rightfully so. Do I think her video is AI? Not at all. But they bungled this big time and I hate that because I think it just added a lot of stress to the family when they obviously had more important things to deal with. Just my opinion. Kate and William should have been able to rely on their PR team to help keep things calm and they could not; in fact, they made it worse. I’m hoping it is as it came across to me, the cancer was removed during the surgery and the chemotherapy is to eradicate any rogue cancer cells remaining in her body. I wish her a full recovery, and fully support her decision not to release more information to the public. While it’s true she could use her platform for good in raising awareness and encouraging prevention and early detection, I think to ask that of her right now is ridiculous. Perhaps when she is fully recovered it is something she will want to consider, but no one should feel pressured into something like that at any point.
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Post by carhoch on Mar 23, 2024 1:03:05 GMT
I don’t understand why they made her do that announcement alone , she looks so sad why is her husband not next to her holding her hand or something. Catherine is no shrinking violet, i think she's a very strong woman, who knows her own mind, and while I think it's disgusting that the Royal family were pressured into making a video like this, I think Catherine got to decide how to do it. I'm sure William would have been in it if she wanted that. I don’t know if you’re married but I am and if I had a cancer diagnosis my husband would be next to me at all time for support because got each other’s backs. Thats why I am surprised by his absence not because I think that she is weak.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 23, 2024 1:05:34 GMT
I’m going to disagree here. I think if they (KP PR not Kate) handled this much earlier on there wouldn’t have been this big of a feeding frenzy Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 23, 2024 1:08:23 GMT
This all very, "look at what you made me do to you,". Fucking ghouls. You can tell yourselves you aren't shitting on her for your own jollies or disordered dislike, but we see you. You know who you are.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 23, 2024 1:17:17 GMT
I don’t know if you’re married but I am and if I had a cancer diagnosis my husband would be next to me at all time for support because got each other’s backs. Thats why I am surprised by his absence not because I think that she is weak. I am 100% sure he was there and willing to be by her side, he's always been fully supportive of her, so the only reason he wouldn't be there is because she made the decision to do this on her own...and he has the grace to let her. No, I'm not married and obviously I have a warped perception of it because I thought being married was supporting your partner in what THEY want, and not forcing them to do it another way simply for the sake of appearances. She shows more strength and confidence in their marriage by NOT needing to prove anything to anyone else and she definitely doesn't need to cling onto William like some limpet. It's ridiculous to suggest that him not sitting on the bench means he doesn't have her back.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 23, 2024 1:26:27 GMT
Unfortunately, I think that she did this video alone to prevent further intrusion and everyone speculating on their body language, did they look at each other, etc, etc, etc.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 23, 2024 1:28:11 GMT
I don’t know if you’re married but I am and if I had a cancer diagnosis my husband would be next to me at all time for support because got each other’s backs. Thats why I am surprised by his absence not because I think that she is weak. I am 100% sure he was there and willing to be by her side, he's always been fully supportive of her, so the only reason he wouldn't be there is because she made the decision to do this on her own...and he has the grace to let her. No, I'm not married and obviously I have a warped perception of it because I thought being married was supporting your partner in what THEY want, and not forcing them to do it another way simply for the sake of appearances. She shows more strength and confidence in their marriage by NOT needing to prove anything to anyone else and she definitely doesn't need to cling onto William like some limpet. It's ridiculous to suggest that him not sitting on the bench means he doesn't have her back. I agree. I don't think it means or implies he doesn't have her back because he wasn't in the video. I think it is actually kind of insulting to them both to suggest that. Just because he wasn't literally next to her doesn't mean he wasn't there. It completely doesn't matter, but I did wonder to myself if he was the one who recorded the video. In any event, I think even speculating on why she did the video alone is part of the problem. Here they finally release a video before Easter -the initial deadline of when there would be an appearance by Princess Catherine- where she tells the world information that is none of our damn business and people are picking it apart. FFS.
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Post by mom on Mar 23, 2024 4:05:59 GMT
I don’t know if you’re married but I am and if I had a cancer diagnosis my husband would be next to me at all time for support because got each other’s backs. Thats why I am surprised by his absence not because I think that she is weak. I am 100% sure he was there and willing to be by her side, he's always been fully supportive of her, so the only reason he wouldn't be there is because she made the decision to do this on her own...and he has the grace to let her. No, I'm not married and obviously I have a warped perception of it because I thought being married was supporting your partner in what THEY want, and not forcing them to do it another way simply for the sake of appearances. She shows more strength and confidence in their marriage by NOT needing to prove anything to anyone else and she definitely doesn't need to cling onto William like some limpet. It's ridiculous to suggest that him not sitting on the bench means he doesn't have her back. I suspect Princess Kate has felt she has no control over much in her world lately and if she wanted to do the video herself, then Im sure those around her were willing to step aside and let her take control of the video. I thought she did a beautiful job and was strong and graceful. She didnt need William there to prop her up.
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Post by cakediva on Mar 23, 2024 12:16:40 GMT
I’m going to disagree here. I think if they (KP PR not Kate) handled this much earlier on there wouldn’t have been this big of a feeding frenzy Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim. I watched a TikTok this morning from a person in the UK (can't remember, it was just on my screen as I was scrolling) and she said basically the same thing - as Brits, we listened to the information they put out that said 1)what was happening 2)what she was doing and 3)when she'd resume public life. And that was that. But she then says the US media went into a frenzy about it and it was bonkers. Why does the US even give a damn about it - they aren't in the Commonwealth so why the rabid attacks and theories on where she was? Sure the UK tabloids also speculated once things got rolling. But in general, the people of the UK took what was said and left it at that.
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Post by peabay on Mar 23, 2024 13:04:09 GMT
I’m going to disagree here. I think if they (KP PR not Kate) handled this much earlier on there wouldn’t have been this big of a feeding frenzy Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim. I completely agree. Nothing was ever going to be enough for the vultures. Had she said she had cancer people either would've continued with the speculations about their marriage and her mental health or done everything they could to "diagnose" and "treat" her cancer, despite not knowing any details (which they would've been salivating over.) William loses his mother at a young age, loses his grandmother, his father has cancer, his wife has cancer. Yeah, blame the palace for everyone else's ghoulish curiosity and lack of sensitivity for this family.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 23, 2024 14:16:36 GMT
Catherine is no shrinking violet, i think she's a very strong woman, who knows her own mind, and while I think it's disgusting that the Royal family were pressured into making a video like this, I think Catherine got to decide how to do it. I'm sure William would have been in it if she wanted that. I don’t know if you’re married but I am and if I had a cancer diagnosis my husband would be next to me at all time for support because got each other’s backs. Thats why I am surprised by his absence not because I think that she is weak. Um. I am married and would have done it by myself as well. 🤷♀️
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Post by caangel on Mar 23, 2024 14:41:13 GMT
I don’t understand why they made her do that announcement alone , she looks so sad why is her husband not next to her holding her hand or something. Why do you assume they "made her" do it alone? Just because he is not physically present in the video doesn't mean he isn't supporting her through this. I get that if it were you in the situation you would choose to do things differently. But that doesn't mean she didn't choose this approach. Just seems like a strange assumption that she was forced to do it alone. I've been married for 22 yrs.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 23, 2024 15:34:38 GMT
I’m going to disagree here. I think if they (KP PR not Kate) handled this much earlier on there wouldn’t have been this big of a feeding frenzy Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim. I disagree with you, and that’s fine. But please don’t accuse me of something I’m not doing. Kate is the victim, not the Kensington Palace PR, and I didn’t blame her for anything.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 23, 2024 16:37:04 GMT
Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim. I disagree with you, and that’s fine. But please don’t accuse me of something I’m not doing. Kate is the victim, not the Kensington Palace PR, and I didn’t blame her for anything. Here's the perfect reply I saw on another forum...not written by me, but sums up what I think perfectly:
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Post by busy on Mar 23, 2024 16:53:20 GMT
The thing is, the PR strategy that was executed WAS terrible. No, it didn't force anyone to come up with gross theories, but it didn't make sense from the very start, which made people think something was suspicious. Like it or not, in our always online and connected world, people are going to talk about suspicious things and come up with some weird crap. If things aren't managed well from the very beginning, things will get crazy.
It was foolish to describe it as a planned surgery, right after they had announced an international trip that would then be canceled, without addressing that discrepancy. The 100% could have done that statement differently and more honestly WITHOUT disclosing private details. No one can know exactly what would have happened then - and there are always bonkers people out there who will make conspiracy theories out of nothing - but I think the chances that this ever would have caught fire the way it did would have been much much lower.
Because the non-response responses went on for so long & were increasingly bumbling, it all got more and more out of control because everything seemed even more suspicious.
If they'd started with a competent crisis comms strategy from the very beginning, we'd almost certainly would be in a very different place right now. The Royal Family seems to be using a PR playbook from a very different time and the world has changed. They need to deal with society as it is now, not as it was in the past.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 23, 2024 16:54:09 GMT
Nope, you're wrong, they did handle this "much earlier" they released a statement weeks ago that clearly said she had surgery and all her public duties had been cancelled until at least after Easter. Very plain, very clear - no public engagements, and unless I missed something, Easter has not been and gone. People just resorted to making shit up for no reason even before that predetermined time frame had elapsed. Nothing was "bungled" they are not responsible for other celebs and some parts of the media manipulating this for their own gains...stop blaming the victim. I watched a TikTok this morning from a person in the UK (can't remember, it was just on my screen as I was scrolling) and she said basically the same thing - as Brits, we listened to the information they put out that said 1)what was happening 2)what she was doing and 3)when she'd resume public life. And that was that. But she then says the US media went into a frenzy about it and it was bonkers. Why does the US even give a damn about it - they aren't in the Commonwealth so why the rabid attacks and theories on where she was? Sure the UK tabloids also speculated once things got rolling. But in general, the people of the UK took what was said and left it at that. Umm $$$$$$$$ the US's bizarre infatuation with the monarchy has sent million and millions - so the Royals care as they know where their actual paycheck is coming from.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 23, 2024 17:03:56 GMT
Hey cancer sucks - it always sucks - but these people have chosen a life where they say their divine right is better than everyone else. Sorry not sorry, I don't feel sorry for them ever. King Charles was no better than a mediocre person - and doubt William is any better and we're not even getting into Andrew's utter ridulousness - you want to claim the ruler of your country is ok with raping an 18 year old - oh but wait he's at lest 4 people from ruling so it's okay - yeah - you do you - I just seriously have never and do no understand why we keep sending our $$$$ into that insanity birthright is WRONG and who actually wants to justify this?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 23, 2024 17:08:17 GMT
I disagree with you, and that’s fine. But please don’t accuse me of something I’m not doing. Kate is the victim, not the Kensington Palace PR, and I didn’t blame her for anything. Here's the perfect reply I saw on another forum...not written by me, but sums up what I think perfectly: You spend your entire life living off of people giving a damn and then are butt hurt when they give a damn. Hey William get an actual job and then perhaps no one will give a damn about your balding not very attractive persona - let's get real - if he wasn't "prince" absolutely no on would give him even the second glance.
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Post by peabay on Mar 23, 2024 17:08:40 GMT
I don't feel sorry for them ever. This is a young mother of 3 small children. Really?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 23, 2024 17:12:15 GMT
I don't feel sorry for them ever. This is a young mother of 3 small children. Really? As I said - cancer sucks - been there lived it done it - but they cannot pretend they are not living on the ridiculousness of prince and princess of wales and then be annoyed that people are asking questions - as I said - don't take the perks without the bullshit
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Post by nightnurse on Mar 23, 2024 17:17:07 GMT
I don't feel sorry for them ever. This is a young mother of 3 small children. Really? I don’t think she was suggesting she had no compassion for the cancer, but rather that these people need to be I. The spotlight to stay relevant so it’s a bit disingenuous to then suggest they shouldn’t be talked about. Cancer sucks. It sucks for everyone. But at least Kate doesn’t have to worry she’ll lose her job or health insurance, fret about how she’ll get the kids to and from school, who will grocery shop and get dinner on the table. So while im not suggesting it’ll be easy, it will be just a little bit easier than the average person who has to worry about their health and their finances and everything else.
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Post by lesley on Mar 23, 2024 17:17:59 GMT
Hey cancer sucks - it always sucks - but these people have chosen a life where they say their divine right is better than everyone else. Sorry not sorry, I don't feel sorry for them ever. King Charles was no better than a mediocre person - and doubt William is any better and we're not even getting into Andrew's utter ridulousness - you want to claim the ruler of your country is ok with raping an 18 year old - oh but wait he's at lest 4 people from ruling so it's okay - yeah - you do you - I just seriously have never and do no understand why we keep sending our $$$$ into that insanity birthright is WRONG and who actually wants to justify this? I’m kinda confused Darcy, what dollars are you personally sending to the UK? And by what mechanism is anyone in the US sending money to the BRM? I'm not a royalist by any means, but I honestly don’t understand why this enrages you so much. 🤷♀️
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Post by peabay on Mar 23, 2024 17:18:20 GMT
This is a young mother of 3 small children. Really? As I said - cancer sucks - been there lived it done it - but they cannot pretend they are not living on the ridiculousness of prince and princess of wales and then be annoyed that people are asking questions - as I said - don't take the perks without the bullshit I've never made a secret about how much I don't care about these people - they've held no interest for me. Ever. But something about this media circus and William losing his mother when he was young and now possibly looking at his own children losing theirs has touched off an empathic response in me I didn't realize I had for them. I just hated seeing the stuff I saw shared on FB about them - as if her illness, whether people knew what it was or not - was entertainment fodder. It's repulsive. And I do not believe that it would've been any less had the royal PR people been honest from the beginning. I really don't. I think if people think they can profit from them, or get more followers, or more clicks, they will do anything to do so.
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Post by lesley on Mar 23, 2024 17:21:03 GMT
This is a young mother of 3 small children. Really? I don’t think she was suggesting she had no compassion for the cancer, but rather that these people need to be I. The spotlight to stay relevant so it’s a bit disingenuous to then suggest they shouldn’t be talked about. Cancer sucks. It sucks for everyone. But at least Kate doesn’t have to worry she’ll lose her job or health insurance, fret about how she’ll get the kids to and from school, who will grocery shop and get dinner on the table. So while im not suggesting it’ll be easy, it will be just a little bit easier than the average person who has to worry about their health and their finances and everything else. Yeah, this is something nobody in the UK has to worry about.
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Post by lainey on Mar 23, 2024 17:23:53 GMT
No one in the UK would lose health insurance because they had cancer, the NHS is free for everyone. Also, any employer looking to sack someone because they're ill would be in a world of hurt.
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Post by gillyp on Mar 23, 2024 17:38:36 GMT
It was foolish to describe it as a planned surgery, right after they had announced an international trip that would then be canceled, without addressing that discrepancy. This harping on about "planned surgery" is starting to do my head in. Say, for arguments sake, the Princess saw her doctor on a Thursday in January and was told "that problem we've been discussing really needs to be addressed, I can operate next Wednesday" and she agrees, that IS planned surgery. It might be short notice but it is still planned. If she saw the doc on Thursday and he said we need to operate right away and they did that day, that is emergency surgery. The international trips are arranged months in advance so of course they can announce one and then almost immediately cancel in this scenario. I really, REALLY do not get what the problem is!
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Post by mich5481 on Mar 23, 2024 18:00:00 GMT
It was foolish to describe it as a planned surgery, right after they had announced an international trip that would then be canceled, without addressing that discrepancy. This harping on about "planned surgery" is starting to do my head in. Say, for arguments sake, the Princess saw her doctor on a Thursday in January and was told "that problem we've been discussing really needs to be addressed, I can operate next Wednesday" and she agrees, that IS planned surgery. It might be short notice but it is still planned. If she saw the doc on Thursday and he said we need to operate right away and they did that day, that is emergency surgery. The international trips are arranged months in advance so of course they can announce one and then almost immediately cancel in this scenario. I really, REALLY do not get what the problem is! THIS, 💯 I think I posted about that earlier in this thread - surgery can come up after something has been scheduled, and it is still "planned," even if it derails prior commitments. 🤦♀️
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