Where's the "Where is Kate" thread?

look at tourism and specifically us tourism around the monarchy - it's beyond ridiculous - but you do you

Maybe our US Peas who come over and ask beforehand about visiting London and the palaces etc. etc. are better placed to explain why they spend their $ here?   

The phrasing of the original statement was 100% intended to say "nothing to see here, moving on," - their use of "planned" was supposed to give the impression it was routine and nbd. Except it was clearly urgent (not emergent), given they canceled a just-announced trip. Which raised everyone's concern/suspicion. Had that original announcement been better, without giving private information, this would all be very different.

To me, it’s the principle of the matter. Just like it disgusts me and makes me mad that someone like Trump is eligible to run for President, it disgusts me that Andrew’s actions haven’t caused him to be removed from the line of succession.

The point is that NORMAL people didn't think this was at all suspicious. After the initial, very clear announcement most people who have a passing interest in the royals might have discussed this amongst themselves and then moved on with their lives. The announcement was fine, the PR was fine. It was clear and direct...there was nothing to misinterpret.

Then the two-bit celebrity media whores (mainly in America) decided to amp this up for their own benefit, they stirred up shit and rumours of abortions and affairs and her being dead, or in a coma for views and clicks & for entertainment. For attention for themselves.
And it's obvious some of you fell for it hook line and sinker, and now you're embarrassed and trying to blame it all on "bad Palace PR", but it wasn't the Palace PR that made you think this was suspicious - it was listening to all the other dickheads.

Could not disagree more, and every comms professional I know thinks it was a shitshow.

No it wasn't.

I found a breast lump - I saw my doctor (a week later), I had a mammogram (two weeks later)...then I saw a surgeon and we planned surgery for 6 weeks time to have the lump removed. I told my employer I was having surgery and that I would need some time off. I didn't tell them what for and they didn't ask.
Nothing about this was "urgent" it was discovered and planned. I found the lump in September, I had surgery in December. That's the definition of routine. That's the process that is followed when someone has a symptom and surgery is PLANNED. People don't have surgery and have body parts removed for no reason.

Then two weeks later I got the results. My lump was benign, but even if it was cancer, it doesn't change anything, I still did not have urgent surgery.
Seriously, why can't you understand this simple concept? You doubling down on your opinion that this is the definition of urgent surgery is just plain wrong and is making you look foolish.

Easier to blame someone other than yourself I suppose.

No, a lot of normal people took the statement as was intended (not at all urgent) and feel like they were trying to pull one over the public’s’ eyes and make it seem like less of a big deal than it was. For the record, I am not one of those people (eta) because I understood what they meant by the term planned surgery. And I also understood that it was purposefully used to try and help keep the public calm and less worried. But as evidenced by the sheer number of people that were upset by this, it was obvious that a better explanation of the term at the beginning could have helped a lot of people feel less confused. I think here on the pod a lot of us are more aware of medical issues and terms than a lot of people IRL. (Eta2) A better PR team would have foreseen the confusion and the statement would have included verbiage to indicate that while it was/wasn’t urgent (none of us can really know because we don’t know what kind of cancer she has or what the abdominal surgery was for), the surgery was planned after (whatever events) had been announced so they would need to be moved/cancelled. A simple statement could have and should have prevented a lot of confusion. Without including any more detail about her illness than they originally did. 

Another thing that made normal people really take note, take more of an interest in this situation, is that after hearing whispers of her not having been seen they released a photo that was then pulled by 4 very reputable news agencies because it was altered in a manner that didn’t meet their guidelines. Even that didn’t have to be that big of a deal if KP had replied to requests for the original photo so the agencies had more to base their decisions on. But because they didn’t respond, the image was pulled and normal people really started speculating what the changes were. It was a very amateur job, a quick look by a good PR team should have caught the issues, and they should have been able to say that those changes might night meet the guidelines on their own, we need to include the original photo. 

None of that is conspiracy, and I said nothing about any of this that was cruel or that I feel the need to take back, so my opinions are not based on embarrassment. And while I agree there were a lot of terrible and crazy conspiracy theories floated around, I think it is a mistake to not acknowledge that plenty of normal people felt that this was handled poorly, and that they might have a few points. KP PR was terrible, and William and Kate have paid the price. 

Nothing I said places any sort of feelings on any poster, or assumed anything about any poster or group of posters. I was simply voicing my opinion and sharing my feelings as to why it isn’t okay that he is in the line of succession.

Obviously me...but every one of my opinions about those two is based on facts that either one or both of them have willingly and for personal profit put into the public domain. None of it is based on crazy conspiracy theories or their private medical information.
These two have done a 2 part Oprah interview, a 4 part miniseries, and various other interviews and he's written a book and they have fed information to Omid Scobie and he's written another 2 books.
That's all fair fodder to discuss and have opinions about. I'm not making stuff up - it's there for anyone to see and read for themselves. And most of my "nastiness" is about the fact that they have endlessly bitched about both of their families FOR MONEY. So now that I am calling out the other people who are making money from conspiracy theories about Catherine, is entirely consistent.

I didn't need to make up any stories about his frostbitten penis or how the cream he rubbed on it reminded him of his mother. I didn't need to try to access any private medical information to get a blow by blow description of Meghan's miscarriage - she detailed every aspect of it in a public newspaper.
They willingly SELL these stories not only about themselves, but about other members of their families, for the public to watch/read about.

Completely different to what is currently happening with Catherine.

And the people discussing it on this thread right now understand that, but obviously a lot of the general public didn’t. 

It was me that made the comment.  Prince Andrew is so insignificant to me that I pretty much forget he exists until someone mentions him here.  There is little about him in the British press so his position at the moment doesn't make me want to get rid of him for a future occurrence that may never happen.   We have other things that are more important to occupy Parliament at the moment. 

It doesn’t sound like busy does because she called it a discrepancy.