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Post by nightnurse on Apr 29, 2024 0:29:01 GMT
I am concerned that this is a bad idea that will backfire. A PSA: an Emory professor was arrested, and the video is viral. Just so people know, putting your hands on a cop (near his gun holster)who is in the middle of arresting someone will get you arrested quickly. FWIW: I am not defending said cop’s behavior. I am pointing out that when adrenaline is running high, it can be a dangerous situation. If you have kids who are on a college campus, please tell them so that this does not happen to them. It’s always surprising to me that the narrative says the untrained civilian needs to remain calm and cognizant of adrenaline running high but the trained professional can react to that adrenaline-even by killing someone-and get a pass. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2024 1:33:41 GMT
Actually they have a right to protest and hold parades. As much as I think it's totally disgusting, they do have the right. This is such a complicated subject. The students have a right to protest. But I feel like a lot of this is leaning into antisemitism territory. Chanting to burn down a city? That crosses the line. I'm really concerned about what some of these students are listening to. I've always said that the speech you agree with is not the speech that needs protection. The legal test is you can't threaten and you can't incite violence. Peaceful protest, fine. Signs describing your issue, fine. The KKK held a quiet rally on a street corner in broad daylight when I lived in NC. They weren't disruptive, didn't threaten anyone overtly, nor did they call for violence. They even got a permit. Gotta let them do it even though it's abhorrent. Palestinians have both threatened and incited violence against Jews. Showing up to "counter-protest" is just picking a fight so pro-Israeli counter-protestors are in the wrong, too. The Palestinians who want to protest peacefully haven't done enough to distance themselves from Hamas, the elected government. Palestinians elected the people who murdered innocent people on October 7. These weren't some radical fringe. How are we supposed to find sympathy for their cause? I'm reading a book written from the Palestinian POV in an attempt to understand where the common ground but I'm not finding it. Are you talking about Palestinians in Palestine? Or the pro-Palestinian/anti-war protestors in the US? Palestinians in Gaza are just trying to survive. I don’t think they are really doing much protesting. Also, they elected Hamas in 2005. Perhaps go back and learn about what was happening in the region at that time, and how Netanyahu wanted Hamas to win because he didn’t want the PA to have more authority and he doesn’t want a strong Palestinian state, and how he has continued to support them since then. There haven’t been any elections since that time, and from what I can tell Israel has done all that they can to make it difficult to survive in Gaza and the West Bank, let alone thrive. There has been no alternative to Hamas or hope that things will get better. Israelis terrorize Palestinians daily (the IDF as well as civilians). The Israelis elected their officials that have killed how many civilians? But no accountability for them. Both sides have a role in where things are today. Both sides have done things that are wrong and neither want to take responsibility and move forward. Even in the past when there were peace talks there were members of both sides that did not want agree with anything and more violence ensued. I don’t know how things can ever improve if neither side can see the other point of view. Israel has more power and are clearly doing more damage in Gaza and the West Bank than many are comfortable with. I agree that Hamas needs to go, and wish there was a strong leader that was emerging. But the way Israel is going about this is wrong. Here is a good podcast from NPR. It’s a few years old, so keep that in mind. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/throughline/id1451109634?i=1000523361687PBS also has some good documentaries on YouTube that talk about previous peace talks, netanyahu/israeli leaders relationship with various US presidents, etc. |
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Post by ntsf on Apr 29, 2024 2:00:18 GMT
and yet in the birth of the free speech movement.. UC berkeley is allowing protesters to occupy sproul plaza ... protest is heard, no police, and it seems they do not want to put order over speech. it did not end well in 1964.
we all need to speak out against hate and othering others.. I pray for peace and solutions.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 29, 2024 10:30:09 GMT
I am concerned that this is a bad idea that will backfire. A PSA: an Emory professor was arrested, and the video is viral. Just so people know, putting your hands on a cop (near his gun holster)who is in the middle of arresting someone will get you arrested quickly. FWIW: I am not defending said cop’s behavior. I am pointing out that when adrenaline is running high, it can be a dangerous situation. If you have kids who are on a college campus, please tell them so that this does not happen to them. It’s always surprising to me that the narrative says the untrained civilian needs to remain calm and cognizant of adrenaline running high but the trained professional can react to that adrenaline-even by killing someone-and get a pass. Yes, it’s very unfair, isn’t it? Nevertheless, it’s true. And people who aren’t aware can find themselves face down on the ground. Police usually do get a pass. It’s one of the many ways in which life is unfair. |
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Post by sarahruby on Apr 29, 2024 10:39:16 GMT
I was informed over the weekend that protesting is not allowed on college campuses.
I'm not against protests. The protests I am seeing are out of hand and need to be stopped.
Heck this country is out of hand and needs to change, but that's another thread.
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Post by Merge on Apr 29, 2024 12:13:26 GMT
I was informed over the weekend that protesting is not allowed on college campuses. I'm not against protests. The protests I am seeing are out of hand and need to be stopped. Heck this country is out of hand and needs to change, but that's another thread. Who told you that protesting is not allowed on college campuses? That is not true at all. There have been dozens of peaceful protests on college campuses this past week. Sorry whatever media you follow hasn’t been showing those. |
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Post by smasonnc on Apr 29, 2024 12:19:56 GMT
There have been dozens of peaceful protests on college campuses this past week. Sorry whatever media you follow hasn’t been showing those. Unless someone is getting their head beaten in by police, the media is not interested.  |
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Post by Merge on Apr 29, 2024 12:24:19 GMT
There have been dozens of peaceful protests on college campuses this past week. Sorry whatever media you follow hasn’t been showing those. Unless someone is getting their head beaten in by police, the media is not interested. I mean … I just googled “peaceful Gaza protest” and found plenty of stories. |
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Post by smasonnc on Apr 29, 2024 13:26:20 GMT
Unless someone is getting their head beaten in by police, the media is not interested. I mean … I just googled “peaceful Gaza protest” and found plenty of stories. I lived in Hong Kong right in the middle of the 2014 protests. There were news crews from every news organization in the world camped out in the overstreet walkway doing nothing for 2 months. The students were just sitting peacefully. The media weren't interested in the fact that the students had set up a library, a chapel, amazing protest art, a cleanup committee, etc. The media wanted police and tear gas. 😡 They missed the whole story. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 29, 2024 22:17:48 GMT
A UC 20 minutes from me now has a camp. Will see how that goes because the sheriff's department is horrible.
I hope in the near future students protest like this in regards to costs and tuition. I honestly think this would be the only way to really make change.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 30, 2024 2:00:14 GMT
The protest at Columbia might be winding down www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-encampment.htmlColumbia University announced Monday evening that it had begun to suspend students who had failed to leave a pro-Palestinian encampment by a 2 p.m. deadline.
After a day of protest and confusion on the Manhattan campus, the measure reflected the difficult balance Columbia administrators are seeking to strike as they try to avoid bringing the Police Department back to arrest those in the encampment, but also commit to the stance that the protest must end.
Students in the encampment, along with hundreds of supporters, had spent a tense afternoon rallying around the site in a show of force meant to deter the removal of its tents. But by 4 p.m., with no sign of police action, most of the protesters had begun to disperse, leaving what appeared to be several dozen students and about 80 tents inside the encampment.
Just outside, about a dozen faculty in yellow and orange safety vests also stayed behind, with several saying that they planned to remain overnight to make sure their students’ right to protest was respected.
Columbia’s move appeared to be an effort to get the nearly two-week-old encampment to peter out gradually before the university’s May 15 graduation, rather than to root it out with force, a step that administrators fear will incite more protest. The university said it had identified some but not all of the students in the encampment. They are likely to be notified of their suspensions one by one via email.
“We have begun suspending students as part of the next phase of our efforts to ensure the safety of our campus,” Ben Chang, a spokesman for the university, said. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 30, 2024 2:00:40 GMT
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Post by sunshine on Apr 30, 2024 10:03:24 GMT
It’s going to be just another day of “peaceful” protests I see.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 30, 2024 11:59:23 GMT
It looks like this is turning into the Columbia protests of years past. I’m curious what the response was then and how the protests stopped.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 30, 2024 12:23:41 GMT
I haven't heard anything from my kids about if they have witnessed anything. My husband is Jewish and we have a very recognizable Jewish last name. My kids are not Jewish but I do worry about them. Luckily my daughter is in a doctoral program so she mainly just works in her lab that isn't in the main part of the campus. My son is a Junior and Maryland and I don't think he has observed anything. My son did a birthright trip to Israel in Jan of 2023 and the Maryland Hilel organization has been sending out some fairly inflammatory emails to everyone. I really am surprised. The sentiment is flowing both ways, not just against Jews.
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Post by Merge on Apr 30, 2024 12:35:26 GMT
It’s going to be just another day of “peaceful” protests I see. The vast majority are and will be peaceful. But I'm sure your media isn't showing you that. ETA: or peaceful until the police show up, as we see here in Austin with Abbott's jackbooted thugs. Where were they when schoolchildren in Uvalde were being shot to death? x.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724 |
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Post by Merge on Apr 30, 2024 13:11:08 GMT
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Post by sunshine on Apr 30, 2024 13:24:28 GMT
It’s going to be just another day of “peaceful” protests I see. The vast majority are and will be peaceful. But I'm sure your media isn't showing you that.ETA: or peaceful until the police show up, as we see here in Austin with Abbott's jackbooted thugs. Where were they when schoolchildren in Uvalde were being shot to death? x.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724Gee, haven't heard that before. Maybe your media isn't showing you all that's going on, because I've seen both sides.
If you think breaking into a hall, keeping janitors against their will is peaceful, etc., maybe you too will get a special call out from iran, hamas, hezbollah.
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Post by Peace Sign on Apr 30, 2024 13:50:50 GMT
I'll keep my thoughts on Israel/Palestine to myself. I just get so angry when I see groups of people who are protesting and demonstrating and even camping out when I know Black people would never ever be allowed to go that far. A tent community of Black people on campus. No way no how.
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 30, 2024 14:33:51 GMT
I'll keep my thoughts on Israel/Palestine to myself. I just get so angry when I see groups of people who are protesting and demonstrating and even camping out when I know Black people would never ever be allowed to go that far. A tent community of Black people on campus. No way no how. And if those protest was over abortions, police would not be called in and Congress persons would not visit and call the protesters nasty names. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 30, 2024 15:57:57 GMT
The vast majority are and will be peaceful. But I'm sure your media isn't showing you that.ETA: or peaceful until the police show up, as we see here in Austin with Abbott's jackbooted thugs. Where were they when schoolchildren in Uvalde were being shot to death? x.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724Gee, haven't heard that before. Maybe your media isn't showing you all that's going on, because I've seen both sides.
If you think breaking into a hall, keeping janitors against their will is peaceful, etc., maybe you too will get a special call out from iran, hamas, hezbollah.
I’m sorry - I thought we were operating in the same reality, where “one” or even “some” is not the same as “all” or “most.” My mistake. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 30, 2024 21:14:57 GMT
This is insane. Trump suggested that campus protestors should face the same consequences as those convicted of crimes on Jan 6. Not the same at all. Trump and other Republicans are just trying to exploit the division among Democrats over Gaza. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/30/trump-campus-protesters-jan-6-attack/NEW YORK — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump compared the current wave of encampments and civil disobedience on college campuses to the deadly riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
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He suggested Tuesday to reporters that students protesting Israel’s war in Gaza should face punishments similar to those meted out to his supporters who were prosecuted in the Jan. 6 attack. And in a separate interview, he expanded a pledge to pardon Jan. 6 defendants by saying he would consider clemency for all of them.
On campuses across the country, students and other demonstrators have set up tent encampments, barricaded themselves in buildings and defied police orders, leading to arrests and some police use of tear gas. No deaths have been reported.
By contrast, many Trump supporters on Jan. 6 violently assaulted police officers and ransacked the Capitol, leading to five deaths and hundreds of injuries.
Trump, though, drew a blanket equivalency, arguing that college protesters should face consequences akin to the more than 1,000 prosecutions of Jan. 6 rioters. He added that he doubted that would happen, expanding on his allegations of unfairness in the legal system, which are core to his defense in this trial and the three other criminal cases against him.
“I wonder if what’s going to happen to them will be anything comparable to what happened to J6, because they’re doing a lot of destruction, a lot of damages, a lot of people getting hurt very badly,” Trump said, exaggerating the toll of the campus protests and using a shorthand term for Jan. 6 that was popularized by defendants’ lawyers and families in the MAGA movement.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 30, 2024 21:35:26 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 30, 2024 21:46:07 GMT
They need to coordinate drop offs. UCR, which is close to us, is having community drop off food, snacks, drinks. Not sure how many area but the word is getting out. They (students) are doing this on their own. So they can figure out food. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 30, 2024 22:04:41 GMT
They need to coordinate drop offs. UCR, which is close to us, is having community drop off food, snacks, drinks. Not sure how many area but the word is getting out. They (students) are doing this on their own. So they can figure out food. These are the students who are occupying a building, and the university has threatened to expel them. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 30, 2024 22:32:45 GMT
They need to coordinate drop offs. UCR, which is close to us, is having community drop off food, snacks, drinks. Not sure how many area but the word is getting out. They (students) are doing this on their own. So they can figure out food. These are the students who are occupying a building, and the university has threatened to expel them. Yup and again those chose to do that on their own. The University did not force them there. ETA, any food or water coming in rom community sould NOT be blocked. But the Uni sould not supply it. Just my opinion. Of course with iw secure they have the all, how will anyone go in and out ? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 30, 2024 23:30:07 GMT
These are the students who are occupying a building, and the university has threatened to expel them. Yup and again those chose to do that on their own. The University did not force them there. ETA, any food or water coming in rom community sould NOT be blocked. But the Uni sould not supply it. Just my opinion. Of course with iw secure they have the all, how will anyone go in and out ? I don’t know. I am wondering how the university will handle this. I would bet that the university will end up allowing food in. I think that I would allow water. If they get hungry, they’ll come out. But I doubt that the university will prevent food deliveries. It does make them look ridiculous. Surely they should have thought about food and water before they took over the building. |
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Post by sideways on Apr 30, 2024 23:49:27 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2024 0:58:06 GMT
MSNBC - NBC News
At Columbia there is the NYPD presence in riot gear. Drones are overhead. Police are expected to enter the campus and Hamilton Hall imminently.
Negotiations were under way up until an hour ago.
There is a lock down on campus, students and faculty are to shelter in place.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 1, 2024 1:19:20 GMT
MSNBC - NBC News At Columbia there is the NYPD presence in riot gear. Drones are overhead. Police are expected to enter the campus and Hamilton Hall imminently. Negotiations were under way up until an hour ago. There is a lock down on campus, students and faculty are to shelter in place. A raid could backfire bigly. Ugh. I am glad that it’s almost summer. Hopefully a lot of students will go home. |
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