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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2024 1:35:12 GMT
Police are entering Hamilton Hall from a ladder truck going through windows on second floor. They are not in full tactical gear. Helmets, batons, handcuffs.
Live on CNN and MSNBC
near Hamilton Hall...114th street
Now no people arrested on street were just pushed out...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2024 1:45:28 GMT
PD walking people with zip tied hands out of Hamilton Hall.
Only a few coming out from behind tall tall metal gate.
A whole big group of officers arriving.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 1, 2024 2:41:23 GMT
Columbia University has requested the NYPD to maintain a presence on campus until May 17th.
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Post by aj2hall on May 1, 2024 3:04:44 GMT
www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/30/nyregion/columbia-protests-collegeLive Updates: Police Arrest Protesters Occupying Columbia Campus Building Officers in riot gear removed demonstrators who had seized Hamilton Hall, a building with a history of student takeovers. Scores of other arrests were made on campuses across the country.
Here are the latest developments.
Hundreds of police officers in riot gear arrested dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators at Columbia University on Tuesday night, about 20 hours after protesters had seized a campus building. The occupation further escalated the crisis that has consumed the school and ignited student activism on dozens of campuses nationwide.
The officers broke a second-floor window to enter the occupied building, Hamilton Hall, then led demonstrators in zip ties onto law enforcement buses parked near campus. In a statement, the university said the building had been “vandalized and blockaded,” leaving administrators with “no choice” but to call the police to campus for the second time in less than two weeks.
“We will not risk the safety of our community or the potential for further escalation,” the statement added.
Columbia’s president, Nemat Shafik, said in a letter to the New York Police Department that her decision to request its intervention had been made with the support of the university’s trustees, and that the actions of demonstrators “have become a magnet for protesters outside our gates, which creates significant risk to our campus.”
She asked the police to maintain a presence on campus through at least May 17 to prevent further encampments or occupations.
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Post by aj2hall on May 1, 2024 3:07:45 GMT
www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.htmlHere’s Where Protesters on U.S. Campuses Have Been Arrested A crackdown on demonstrators at Columbia University in New York spawned a wave of activism at universities across the country, with more than 1,000 arrests. Police officers and university administrators have clashed with pro-Palestinian protesters on a growing number of college campuses across the country in recent days, arresting students, removing encampments and threatening academic consequences.
The fresh wave of student activism against the war in Gaza was sparked by the arrest of at least 108 protesters at Columbia University on April 18, after administrators appeared before Congress and promised a crackdown. Since then, police interventions on several campuses, including in some of America’s largest cities, have led to more than 1,000 arrests.
Here is where arrests have been reported as the authorities try to break up protests or encampments:
Columbia University: The New York City Police Department arrested 108 demonstrators while clearing an encampment at the Manhattan campus on April 18.
Yale University in New Haven, Conn.: The police arrested 48 people on April 22, including 44 Yale students, after they refused to leave an encampment on campus.
New York University in Manhattan: Officers made dozens of arrests late April 22 after students occupied a plaza on campus.
University of Minnesota in Minneapolis: Nine people were taken into custody after they erected an encampment on April 23. All of those affiliated with the university were allowed back on campus and civil trespass warnings were “set aside.”
University of South Carolina in Columbia: Two students were arrested after a protest on April 23, according to a police report.
University of Southern California in Los Angeles: The police arrested 93 people at a demonstration on the afternoon of April 24.
University of Texas at Austin: The police arrested 57 protesters on April 24. A spokeswoman for the county attorney’s office said charges against many had been dropped after the office found legal “deficiencies” in their arrests. On April 29, 79 people were arrested and held on misdemeanor charges, mostly for trespassing, according to a county jail spokeswoman. One was charged with interfering with public duties.
Emerson College in Boston: The police arrested 118 people as an encampment was cleared on the night of April 24, the authorities said.
Ohio State University in Columbus: A university official said that 36 people, including 16 students, were arrested on April 25. Earlier that week, two students were arrested during an on-campus demonstration, university officials said.
Emory University in Atlanta: At least 28 people were arrested on April 25, an Emory official said; 20 had ties to the school.
Indiana University Bloomington: On April 25, the university police said 33 people were removed from an encampment and taken to jail. There were 23 more arrests on April 27, the police said.
Princeton University in New Jersey: Two graduate students were arrested after pitching tents on April 25. On April 29, a group of protesters briefly occupied Clio Hall, home of the graduate school. School officials said that 13 people were arrested, including five undergraduates, six graduate students, one postdoctoral researcher and one person not affiliated with the university. No one was hurt during the incident, they added.
University of Connecticut in Storrs: Campus police officers removed at least one tent from a rally on April 25 and took at least one person into custody, a university official said. On the morning of April 30, campus police officers entered the pro-Palestinian encampment on campus to “remove the tents and tarps and to arrest those who refused compliance,” officials said. That evening, school officials confirmed that 25 protesters were arrested, 24 of them students and one former student. All were charged with criminal trespass and disorderly conduct.
California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt: Last week, protesters occupied two buildings on the campus in Arcata, Calif., university officials said. Three people were arrested there last week. On the morning of April 30, police arrested 25 more protesters and ended the eight-day occupation of an administration building that had forced a campus shutdown.
Auraria Campus in Denver: About 40 people were arrested on April 26 at a campus that houses facilities for the University of Colorado Denver, the Metropolitan State University of Denver and the Community College of Denver, the campus police said.
University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign: Social media posts on April 26 showed police officers detaining at least one person and taking down an encampment.
Arizona State University in Tempe: A university official said 69 people were arrested early in the morning on April 27 after protesters set up an encampment. Three people were also arrested on April 26.
Northeastern University in Boston: University officials said, citing an official police report, that 98 people were arrested on April 27, including 29 students and six faculty and staff members.
Washington University in St. Louis: On April 27, 100 arrests were made and the campus was locked down, according to a university statement. The presidential candidate Jill Stein was among those arrested.
University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, Va.: The university president’s office said that 12 people, including nine students, were arrested on the evening of April 27.
Virginia Tech: University officials said on April 29 that 82 protesters, 53 of which are students, were arrested and charged with trespassing.
Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond: On April 29, officials said officers from the campus police, along with local and state police, broke up a protest with riot gear and pepper spray. Administrators said protesters “threw objects and used chemical spray on officers” before 13 people, including six students, were arrested and charged with unlawful assembly and trespassing.
Tulane University in New Orleans: Six people were arrested on April 29 and charged with offenses including trespassing and resisting arrest after they “stormed university property and erected tents” on campus officials said. Administrators said that suspensions were also being issued but did not say how many students were involved.
University of Florida in Gainesville: Officials said that police officers arrested nine protesters, including six students, who they said refused to comply with orders to disperse on the evening of April 29.
University of Utah: Nineteen protesters were arrested on the night of April 29, school officials said, adding that officers removed and dismantled about a dozen tents. Of those arrested, four were students, one was a university employee and 14 were unaffiliated with the university, school officials said. They added that two police officers suffered mild injuries.
University of Georgia in Athens: On Monday morning, protesters were arrested, school officials said. A spokesperson did not provide information regarding the number of arrests but said that there were approximately 25 protesters who had begun erecting tents and a barricade.
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: On the morning of April 30, the university police detained 36 protesters, school officials said, after they were given until 6 a.m. on Tuesday to clear out or face possible arrest, suspension or even expulsion. Of those, 30 people, including 10 current university students, were cited for trespassing and released. Six more, including three students, were booked on trespassing charges at the county jail.
University of South Florida: School officials said that three protesters were arrested during a protest on April 29, including one student, one employee and one individual who is not affiliated with the school. The protesters had attempted to set up tents, the school said, adding that they gave the protesters “repeated warnings” but that the protesters “refused to comply with directions from staff members.”
University of New Mexico: Sixteen protesters were arrested on April 29, including five students, after school officials said they vandalized and refused to vacate a student union building on campus. Officials said the protesters had been ordered to leave the building by the night of April 29 and that failure to comply could lead to arrests.
Florida State University in Tallahassee: Five protesters, including two current students, were arrested on April 30, school officials said. “The university’s rules and regulations had been explained repeatedly over several days and the group had been compliant until this afternoon,” officials said, adding that the arrests occurred “after the individuals ignored multiple requests and warnings to comply with a lawful order.”
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Post by miominmio on May 1, 2024 8:24:51 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. |
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Post by Merge on May 1, 2024 13:29:29 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. Disappointing. I certainly don’t agree with that. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 1, 2024 13:52:11 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I am pretty far left and 100% DISAGREE with that statement. Where are you getting that from? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 1, 2024 18:34:43 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I disagree with this as well. However, I do think that there are more people who have negative feelings towards Israel now than they did in the past due to the current actions towards Palestinians as well as becoming more aware of the history. That is the basis of these protests. Some say that Israel represents all Jewish people and criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because of that. Others say that Israel doesn’t represent all Jewish people and is another country like all of the others, and that criticizing them is not out of line. It’s confusing. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 1, 2024 20:12:01 GMT
The vast majority are and will be peaceful. But I'm sure your media isn't showing you that.ETA: or peaceful until the police show up, as we see here in Austin with Abbott's jackbooted thugs. Where were they when schoolchildren in Uvalde were being shot to death? x.com/anthony_larraga/status/1785060682989207724Gee, haven't heard that before. Maybe your media isn't showing you all that's going on, because I've seen both sides.
If you think breaking into a hall, keeping janitors against their will is peaceful, etc., maybe you too will get a special call out from iran, hamas, hezbollah.
There are aspects of the protest at Columbia that have not been peaceful. However, the majority of protestors are peaceful. And the majority of the 400 protests across the country have been peaceful. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/04/30/university-campus-protests-maps/ |
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Post by epeanymous on May 1, 2024 20:15:51 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I am a super lefty Jew, so. I do get what you are saying, though. |
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Post by epeanymous on May 1, 2024 20:18:40 GMT
Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I disagree with this as well. However, I do think that there are more people who have negative feelings towards Israel now than they did in the past due to the current actions towards Palestinians as well as becoming more aware of the history. That is the basis of these protests. Some say that Israel represents all Jewish people and criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because of that. Others say that Israel doesn’t represent all Jewish people and is another country like all of the others, and that criticizing them is not out of line. It’s confusing. I think that it can be hard because it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel but boy howdy are there some people criticizing Israel in really antisemitic ways! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 2, 2024 0:57:43 GMT
TBH I find myself embarrassed at some of the rhetoric I hear coming from supposedly left-leaning writers and students on this. I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone claiming sympathy with Hamas or chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground." I disagree with anti-Semitic statements being made in any way. And I also disagree with the continued violence in Gaza. There has to be an end to this. But also, yes, it's hard to tell exactly what is happening because the reporting is so inconsistent. Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. Being European and living there, I understand. Although I do not fully agree. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 3, 2024 2:56:36 GMT
We have had very little protesting on our campus the past couple of weeks. I think we have had one or two gatherings of less than 2 dozen students each time--not enough to even get traction in the campus newspaper. We did have campus protests back in the fall, but again very limited and little coverage.
Part of this is probably timing right now. Classes ended Friday April 26, and finals will end tomorrow. Most of our students are not in any position to risk their education by blowing off the end of the term to protest. It might be a different story at the beginning of the term, but at this point in the semester, academic sh*t gets real.
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Post by Merge on May 3, 2024 15:35:36 GMT
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Post by miominmio on May 3, 2024 16:55:32 GMT
Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I am pretty far left and 100% DISAGREE with that statement. Where are you getting that from? I’m 55, and yes, this is my experience. And also what I see in the media, whenever someone from the far left (and I’m talking about the communist party here and the left wing of the SV) saying something about Israel, they definitely go into anti-semitic territory. |
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Post by Merge on May 3, 2024 18:42:30 GMT
I am pretty far left and 100% DISAGREE with that statement. Where are you getting that from? I’m 55, and yes, this is my experience. And also what I see in the media, whenever someone from the far left (and I’m talking about the communist party here and the left wing of the SV) saying something about Israel, they definitely go into anti-semitic territory. I don't disagree with you. And what's generally been labeled "far left" or "radical left" by the right here in the US definitely isn't. But yes - there is an unsavory element on our fringe just as there is on the right. Our unsavory elements just don't happen to be sitting in congress or nominated for president right now. Hate is hate and doesn't have to have a political side. |
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Post by Merge on May 3, 2024 18:51:08 GMT
Based on my experience as a European: there is one thing, and one thing only the far left and the far right agree upon: jews are evil and deserve everything they get. I am a super lefty Jew, so. I do get what you are saying, though. We super-lefty Americans generally aren't, by international standards. No one in the mainstream here is agitating to seize the means of production, to end private ownership of land, or for anarchy. We have "radical" ideas about human rights and wellbeing, the environment, and progressive tax policy, but we don't want to destroy our political institutions or end all capitalism. Control by the radical fringe on either side ultimately ends in totalitarianism, because there is no hope of instituting the "reforms" they want through democratic means. Only one side in the US currently has its fringe elements occupying the political mainstream, and it's not us lefties. |
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Post by miominmio on May 3, 2024 19:23:21 GMT
I am a super lefty Jew, so. I do get what you are saying, though. We super-lefty Americans generally aren't, by international standards. No one in the mainstream here is agitating to seize the means of production, to end private ownership of land, or for anarchy. We have "radical" ideas about human rights and wellbeing, the environment, and progressive tax policy, but we don't want to destroy our political institutions or end all capitalism. Control by the radical fringe on either side ultimately ends in totalitarianism, because there is no hope of instituting the "reforms" they want through democratic means. Only one side in the US currently has its fringe elements occupying the political mainstream, and it's not us lefties. Here you would most likely fall right in the middle of the political landscape. We have a very vocal communist party, who have such charming opinions as «do not give any aid to Ukraine, military or otherwise» , and «Norway should get out of NATO» and they are strongly opposed to anything Israel does to protect its Jews. They regard Israel as an imperialistic country, and they are strongly opposed to that. I agree with them on some things, but I cannot vote for a party that I am sure must still be funded from Moscow. (Note that imperialism is only bad when western countries do it, but not if Moscow is behind it). |
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Post by epeanymous on May 4, 2024 3:02:22 GMT
I am a super lefty Jew, so. I do get what you are saying, though. We super-lefty Americans generally aren't, by international standards. No one in the mainstream here is agitating to seize the means of production, to end private ownership of land, or for anarchy. We have "radical" ideas about human rights and wellbeing, the environment, and progressive tax policy, but we don't want to destroy our political institutions or end all capitalism. Control by the radical fringe on either side ultimately ends in totalitarianism, because there is no hope of instituting the "reforms" they want through democratic means. Only one side in the US currently has its fringe elements occupying the political mainstream, and it's not us lefties. It's a fair point that I would consider myself basically a democratic socialist, which isn't at all "let's destroy all of the institutions" -- it is the phrasing I use to indicate that I am to the left of the Democratic party and am not what I would describe as a liberal Democrat (which is, eg, where my husband is, politically) but someone who believes in a great deal more structural reform. I do still vote for the Democrats, however, because my voting theory is of the "which available bus gets me closest" variety. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 4, 2024 11:56:26 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on May 4, 2024 13:22:52 GMT
Well Uni of Ca Riverside got it done. No fights. No taking over buildings and destroying things. Smaller group than the other schools, who spoke to top university persons and were listened to. University voted and agreed to divest.
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Post by Merge on May 4, 2024 13:59:50 GMT
We super-lefty Americans generally aren't, by international standards. No one in the mainstream here is agitating to seize the means of production, to end private ownership of land, or for anarchy. We have "radical" ideas about human rights and wellbeing, the environment, and progressive tax policy, but we don't want to destroy our political institutions or end all capitalism. Control by the radical fringe on either side ultimately ends in totalitarianism, because there is no hope of instituting the "reforms" they want through democratic means. Only one side in the US currently has its fringe elements occupying the political mainstream, and it's not us lefties. It's a fair point that I would consider myself basically a democratic socialist, which isn't at all "let's destroy all of the institutions" -- it is the phrasing I use to indicate that I am to the left of the Democratic party and am not what I would describe as a liberal Democrat (which is, eg, where my husband is, politically) but someone who believes in a great deal more structural reform. I do still vote for the Democrats, however, because my voting theory is of the "which available bus gets me closest" variety. Agreed. |
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2024 13:03:49 GMT
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Post by epeanymous on May 6, 2024 13:29:41 GMT
One thing about protests, they are never by the right people in the right way about the right things.
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Post by Peace Sign on May 6, 2024 14:25:43 GMT
Did anyone see the protesters/anti protesters at a Mississippi university this weekend? They had protesters fenced in for their protection, and one Black lady came out of the fencing to do a live broadcast on social media. There's video of a ton of college aged white boys screaming at her and making monkey gestures, very reminiscent of desegregation times. It was disgusting.
I strongly feel there are true protesters in these groups, and then a mob mentality by college kids. This would also explain why the "outrage" is so much bigger than all the things Merge mentioned above. I'd bet many of the kids shown in Mississippi couldn't even find gaza on a map.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2024 16:10:18 GMT
Columbia has cancelled their full university graduation. These are the same kids who missed their high school graduation four years ago, 2020....
Each school will hold their own.
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2024 17:07:41 GMT
One thing about protests, they are never by the right people in the right way about the right things. I don’t believe the tweet I posted said any of that. One can agree with the protestors and support their right to be heard while also wishing we had more people willing to get mad and speak about these other issues. |
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Post by Merge on May 6, 2024 17:58:31 GMT
FAFO, baby!  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2024 18:00:23 GMT
FAFO, baby! One small step toward progress.... |
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