Should Biden drop out and the Dems have an open convention?

Yes! I was pretty bummed all weekend now this ruling by the s court makes it imperative Pres Biden wins.

I try to keep up on politics, and I had to Google Shapiro to know who he was.  How is he going to break into the consciousness of an undecided voter in AZ, NV, GA?  Is a Jewish governor really going to appease the leftists who are up in arms over Biden's handling of Gaza? Matthew 16:26 or the musical 1776's reinterpretation "what is a man profited if he shall gain Maryland and lose the entire South?" is ringing through my head here.  Michigan is necessary, and if that state is on as razor thin an edge as it seems over Gaza, which Trump state does he flip to compensate? So go with Whitmer, and lose in AZ and GA because ovaries and woke.

The polling that exists does not show *any* of the other Democratic names beating Donald Trump.  Biden is still the one that gets the closest.  So while you may believe your last sentence, it doesn't make it the reality, no matter how much anyone wants to believe it will.  Second is Harris.  Which still is what happens if Biden can't fulfill his term. And as mentioned above, how will voters react to a change made in this manner?  Dump the primary process results because undecideds need to be catered to over everyone else and so many others are already saying they are okay with Trump?

I really wish people would examine all of this beyond their own, "I need to feel good about my choice."  There are real opportunity costs, besides the opportunity costs of sticking with Biden.

My 21 and 23 year olds will still be voting for Biden. Here in Texas, we have a front row view to what Rs intend for the whole country if Trump is elected. They understand what is at stake. 

We have to make young people in blue states who haven't yet felt the oppression of the religious right understand what is at stake for them, too.

I agree

100%. There will be a battle between Harris supporters and whatever young governor the pundits want. And we would look like fools.

No such thing. I can take most NYT articles for what they’re worth - a generally reliable source of information - while still being annoyed at the way their editorial board frequently bats for the other team in an effort to seem even-handed. Same with NPR and WaPo.

Contrary to what the right would have us think, the legacy media outlets are not just spouting left wing propaganda. They are frequently reporting what Trump and his people say without comment or criticism, as CNN did with all Trump’s lies during the debate. And they are verrrrry careful to criticize the left often because they’re still playing “pick me” with right wing voters - which is a fool’s errand.

I worry that we might be screwed no matter who runs. If only this replacement discussion had happened a year ago. There is no good answer at the moment. All I can do is to work and vote for whoever the nominee is, and hope that people are smart enough to see that Trump is really the one who has mentally lost ground since even 2020.

If you listen to Trump now, and compare to clips from 2016 or 2020, he has trouble keeping a coherent thought in his head.

Oh well, there is nothing to be done except to do the work and hope that people realize how dangerous he is. Now I’m venting, I guess. Sorry about that.

Louder please for the people in the back!

Looks like he's not so sure himself whether he'll continue...


Sky News

Only considered suspect by liberals when they’re not kissing Biden and the democrats asses.  

My interpretation of this news is that he made a comment of what he will be permitted to do, which is not the same as his actual state.  NBC News frames the conversation as 'President Joe Biden told a key ally that he may not be able to stay in the race against former President Donald Trump if he cannot prove he is up to the job, The New York Times first reported."

A. This sort of comment shows awareness of the gravity of the situation.
B. A willingness to step aside if that is what the Democratic apparatus and his family wants him to do
C. The other candidate does not demonstrate A or B.
D. A person may be guilty / innocent but the consequences rendered come down to what can be *proven*.  This is a similar situation.  The actual state of his facilities could still be that he is simply old, tired, but otherwise capable.
E.  People will twist this into a version that he is commenting on his own faculties, and use it to say, "See! He's not up to the job."  
F.  IMO A&B is evidence that he is, in fact, still up for the job more than the guy on the other ticket.

No one is kissing anyone’s ass out here. We’d vote for Biden; a manila folder; a can of Diet Dr. Pepper; a fictional Shona Rhimes character; three toddlers in a trenchcoat; a heavily inbred bassett hound; or an expired can of tuna fish if that is the alternative to the current Republican agenda. Happily. Without hesitation. Twice if it were legal. This is the grown-ups having a conversation about the deficits in our nominee’s profile. Something Republicans should be doing, times ten.