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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2024 0:32:24 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 15, 2024 0:35:07 GMT
I addressed YOUR claims with FACTS, which you then claimed were misinformation from the Right. Facts are not right leaning OR Left leaning, they are FACTS and certainly not misinformation. I'm sorry that bothers you, so. I’m pretty sure you don’t know what facts are. What you posted as facts are certainly not. I think you need some lessons in critical thinking. Feel free to prove anything I'm claiming as FACT is not a fact. Otherwise, as you surely must know, personal attacks are not proof. Same goes for you, onelasttimeIt wasn't rape and Biden is credibly accused of the very same thing. Before she came out with it, years after it supposedly happened, randomly Trump's accuser claimed his TV show was her favorite show. How many people that are sexually assaulted love their assaulter's anything? FACTSHe didn't evade, he used legal means to use the same tax advantages that those accusing him of evasion use. FACTSThe same standards you're applying to Trump, have to also be applied to Biden. FACTSNope. He never did that. That hoax has been debunked numerous times. At the very least, read Snopes. FACTSA recount. He was asking for a recount. Clearly an opinion based on FACTS. Completely legal and well within his rights. FACTS"admires Putin and wants to be just like him," Propaganda. ***MY OWN opinion "wives, his third one can’t stand him any more." Did she tell you that, or are you mind reading too? ***A question FROM ME, not "the Right's misinformation talking points" "encourages an act of sedition" By telling people to go peacefully and asking for more National Guard to prevent what he's supposedly encouraging?🙄 ***Another question FROM ME based on FACTS, not "the Right's misinformation talking points" |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 0:46:52 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2024 1:03:35 GMT
Even a person on FOX addresses this mess..Leslie Marshall appeared on Fox News over the weekend, where she responded to the suggestion that Democrats are stuck on their rhetoric about Trump being a danger to Americans. The question is what they will do in the wake of the attempted assassination of the former president, Donald Trump youtu.be/9Z3gMc9DnCQ?si=XJaogA0DG8UAu85o We shouldn't forget the list of over 350 persons on the arrest list of TFG enforcer under 2025!! Liz Cheney to face a military tribunal on live TV for treason. Deporting millions in mass, papers or not.. TFG to be a dictator... 2025 schedule F to replace 50,000 career employees to those who are loyal to TFG.. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:06:29 GMT
This would be something positive but Trump thrives on division and it seems unlikely that he would be willing to stand united with Biden on anything www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/opinion/donald-trump-assassination-attempt.htmlTo the Editor:
This is the time for President Biden and former President Donald Trump to come together.
It’s a chance for U.S. politicians to show the country — and the world — that people in America care about each other, despite the media’s portrayal of intense division.
Seeing the two presidential candidates standing together would send a clear message to the country. They would inspire hope and demonstrate that shared values are stronger than political differences. It’s a moment to promote healing, solidarity and the importance of resolving conflicts peacefully.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:13:07 GMT
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 1:16:16 GMT
Who’s spouting divisive rhetoric now? (This clown is GOP chair for Fort Worth and some of the more racist suburbs up there. By Democrats, he obviously means POC and the poor. You know, the “bus kids.”)  |
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 15, 2024 1:20:59 GMT
Who’s spouting divisive rhetoric now? (This clown is GOP chair for Fort Worth and some of the more racist suburbs up there. By Democrats, he obviously means POC and the poor. You know, the “bus kids.”) People on BOTH sides. The Left doesn't hold the moral high ground there. |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 15, 2024 1:21:25 GMT
This is what all the pundits should be doing. Jessica Tarlov is spot on.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jul 15, 2024 1:23:30 GMT
I saw briefly on the news that Trump released a statement. I am not sure if what I heard was the full statement or not, but he only talked about himself. No mention of the man that was killed trying to protect his family.
Has he spoken out about him?
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Post by samantha25 on Jul 15, 2024 1:24:13 GMT
Don't engage.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 15, 2024 1:28:20 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:32:45 GMT
Regrettably, it seems likely that the shooting will only cause more division. www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-shooting-violence-divisions.htmlWhen President Ronald Reagan was shot by an attention-seeking drifter in 1981, the country united behind its injured leader. The teary-eyed Democratic speaker of the House, Thomas P. O’Neill Jr., went to the hospital room of the Republican president, held his hands, kissed his head and got on his knees to pray for him.
But the assassination attempt against former President Donald J. Trump seems more likely to tear America further apart than to bring it together. Within minutes of the shooting, the air was filled with anger, bitterness, suspicion and recrimination. Fingers were pointed, conspiracy theories advanced and a country already bristling with animosity fractured even more.
The danger is if political violence becomes normalized, just another form of the endless partisan wars. A study published in May found that 11 percent of Americans said violence was sometimes or always justified to return Mr. Trump to the presidency, and 21 percent said it was justified to advance an important political objective.
But Garen J. Wintemute, the director of the Violence Prevention Program at the University of California, Davis, and the lead author of the study, said it was important to remember that most Americans still rejected political violence.
“It’s the job of that majority to make their views known, over and over again, and as publicly as possible,” Dr. Wintemute said. “A climate of intolerance for violence reduces the chance that violence will occur. The question before us as a nation is, ‘Will violence become part of American politics?’ Each of us as an individual needs to answer that question, ‘Not if I can help it.’” |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 1:33:54 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:38:33 GMT
This doesn't help in terms of division www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/14/elon-musk-billionaires-trump-shooting-dei-antifa/Musk, other pro-Trump billionaires have helped shape shooting narrativeThe right-leaning business community on X, including Elon Musk and hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman, used their megaphones to endorse Trump and fuel storylines about Saturday’s attack.A chorus of right-leaning tech and business leaders, led by X owner Elon Musk, used their online megaphones in the wake of Saturday’s attack to criticize the Secret Service’s diversity initiatives, condemn Democratic donor Reid Hoffman, and make unsubstantiated allegations about the shooting.Musk, turning to a familiar refrain of his, appeared to point the finger for the security breach at Diversity, Equity and Inclusion efforts — amplifying a post that ridiculed the U.S. Secret Service’s director for what it called “diversity hires.” The argument is being made on many right-wing political accounts, which have also called out individual female secret service agents.Maguire later posted — without providing evidence — that the shooter “will almost certainly be discovered to be a member” of the left-wing group antifa.or this www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/14/church-pastors-react-trump-shooting/There was a decidedly darker tone at a church in neighboring Oklahoma, where Tulsa-based Jackson Lahmeyer, founder of the national group Pastors for Trump, made the sermon topic clear in the name of the live stream: “Trump Assassination Attempt.”Lahmeyer told congregants at his Sheridan Church that “yesterday we experienced a tragedy, yet a miracle,” alluding to the death of a bystander, Corey Comperatore, and the near miss for Trump. Lahmeyer displayed the viral image of the former president with a bloodied face and a defiant fist in the air. Worshipers erupted in cheers.
“Right now I know many are struggling with the emotional roller coaster — we’re angry, we’re scared, we’re glad,” Lahmeyer said. “And what I want you to know is: We are in a war, and it is a spiritual war. That if we do not win this spiritual war, it will turn into a very physical one.”
Lahmeyer stressed that he wanted to avoid civil war and that differences weren’t between Republicans and Democrats. But in the same sermon, he alluded to “wicked” people who hold on to power and claimed to the audience that evangelicals are “the largest voting bloc in the United States.”
“We are in a war that is between good and evil, period,” he said. “There is no neutrality and we must choose a side. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 1:47:52 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:48:30 GMT
I have so much respect for Raphael Warnock. He is so eloquent, articulate, passionate and well spoken. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/14/church-pastors-react-trump-shooting/Trump’s political opponents also prayed for him, as in the sermon Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D-Ga.) delivered Sunday from the pulpit of the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, located just steps from the gravesite of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Warnock, the church’s senior pastor, opened with a fierce condemnation of the assassination attempt on Trump and the “coarsening rhetoric of political violence” that he described as a threat to all Americans.
The man who tried to kill Trump “was no patriot,” he said. “And neither were the people who attacked our Capitol and assaulted police officers and tried to stop the nonviolent transfer of political power on January 6.”
“They are cut from the same cloth,” Warnock added. “We must cry foul, we must call out the hypocrisy of anybody who would try to condone one and condemn the other.”
At one point, Warnock said he was thankful that Trump had survived the attack with only minor injuries.
“We pray for him,” he announced to the mostly Black congregants, who offered a muted reaction.
“I said, ‘We PRAY for him,’” Warnock repeated, a little more sternly.
The audience erupted in enthusiastic applause. “Amen!” someone shouted.better than thisSenator Reverend Raphael Warnock @senatorwarnock
In America, we settle our political differences democratically—not violently. I am deeply saddened by today’s events in Pennsylvania. I condemn any violence aimed at former President Trump in the strongest terms, and pray for him, his family & our nation. We are better than this. |
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Post by mom on Jul 15, 2024 1:48:30 GMT
I saw briefly on the news that Trump released a statement. I am not sure if what I heard was the full statement or not, but he only talked about himself. No mention of the man that was killed trying to protect his family. Has he spoken out about him? Yes, he addressed the person killed as well as those who were wounded. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:51:40 GMT
I don't always agree with Joe, but on these points, I do defending democracyJoe Walsh @walshfreedom
1. Political violence is ALWAYS wrong.
2. There’s too much hate & division in America.
3. NOBODY has sown more hate & division in America the past 9yrs than Donald Trump has.
4 Trump is a direct threat to democracy & the rule of law. Defending democracy means defeating Trump. |
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Post by breetheflea on Jul 15, 2024 1:54:12 GMT
I accidentally went to a Faux News Facebook group earlier when trying to find out what was so special about DT's shoes... I read three comments (not shoe related) and left. I now would like to go start my own planet. The it was an act of God, Trump is blessed, now I will vote for him even more because of the fist pump. Barf.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 1:58:56 GMT
Another Democrat who I have a lot of respect for choose leadersthreadreaderapp.com/thread/1812661442610672030.html?utm_campaign=topunrollWhat I'm thinking tonight:
1/ I know it feels like the nation is unraveling. Yesterday's shooting was a watershed moment, but long before this moment, our politics had become dangerously hostile, zero sum, and too prone to violence.
The question is: what do we do?
2/ I know for many active citizens, there will be an instinct to retreat. In such a dangerous moment, better to just focus on me and those closest to me.
I begrudge no one that choice. But with our nation unravelling, I believe this is a time to lean forward.
3/ Our nation's politics are badly broken. But not unfixable.
Our modern world is a world based upon the mythology of the omnipotent individual, living in a purpose-built culture of scarcity, in which no matter how hard you strive, there is never enough for everyone.
4/ But human beings are solidaristic, not solitary. We exist to be part of communities. We don't have to be as isolated or alone as we are today.
And there IS enough to go around. We just reserve so much of it for elites, everyone else is left to grind and claw to get a piece.
5/ But in a culture of isolation - where people feel alone and angry and powerless - and a culture of scarcity - where everyone has to climb over others to succeed - people start to get desperate. They will do anything to win.
And that desperation seeps into our politics.
6/ When you are hurt and angry and desperate, you listen to political leaders who tell you to hate others. When there isn't enough to go around, each election feels super high stakes, with your side or the other side vying to control the limited resources for the non-elite.
7/ That desperation turns quickly to violence. A violence made much more deadly by our nation's inability to keep weapons of mass slaughter out of the hands of assassins.
But this all a choice. To accept weak bonds between us. To accept scarcity. To accept easy violence.
8/ It is NOT too late to save our nation from this spiritual unspooling.
We can choose to build stronger communities and institutions - where people find connection and meaning.
To reorder resources so we all have enough.
To limit the means of violence.
9/ Yes, this means choosing leaders who don't divide us.
Who don't lift up violence as a means of solving our problems.
Who are actually going to reform the economy away from scarcity.
Who think that would be assassins shouldn't have assault weapons.
10/ And it means that all of us have a role to play.
Yes, this moment feels scary because it is. But this violence...this unraveling...is a result of choices we have made. And we can make different choices.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 2:07:40 GMT
This seems to sum up the discussion about violent rhetoric pretty well other side is a furnaceBrett Meiselas @bmeiselas
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 2:13:24 GMT
Speaking truth is not divisive rhetoric. Truth is truth.
It is true that the Trump party intends to impose a version of religious authoritarianism on this country, or stand back and allow red states to do so where they cannot impose federal control.
It is true that the Trump party has fetishized guns and have fought tooth and nail any attempt to come to a consensus on common sense gun control.
It is true that the Trump party has canonized killers and seditionists as “patriots.”
It is true that the Trump party has falsely and without any evidence made Democrats and anyone perceived to be supported by Democrats into targets, to the point where election workers and educators often receive death threats and people with brown skin are targeted by mass shooters.
It is true that the Trump party has falsely accused Democrats of rigging an election, reducing faith in our election system and supporting additional voter suppression in some states.
It is true that the Trump party wants to destroy our federal infrastructure and replace career civil servants and institutional knowledge with Trump loyalists and chaos.
Saying that Democrats need to stop speaking truth because it makes the Trump party look bad is flat out wrong. The Trump party needs to own its misdeeds and crimes. Truth is truth.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 2:14:05 GMT
both sidesthreadreaderapp.com/thread/1812595780173099195.html1) Thread. 🧵 If you're planning your next op/ed and you intend to scold both sides for violent rhetoric, think again and watch the following seven videos. Republicans have been producing violent ads targeting both legislation and actual Democrats for years. Let's review.
2) Here's another Greitens ad, in case he didn't make his point the first time.
3) This is one in which the candidate, Jim Lamon, shoots Democratic congressional leadership.
4) This is Senator Rand Paul shooting the tax code.
5) Senator Joni Ernst shooting the Affordable Care Act.
6) Republican Wil Brooke shooting the ACA. Worth noting this was the signature achievement of the first Black president. The dog whistle isn't very subtle.
7) And of course this ignoramus had to both shoot and explode a Prius labeled "Socialism."
8) There are many more, with additional Republican videos popping up every election cycle. Again, we wonder why so many deranged souls think the only way to solve a problem is to shoot it.
9) There's more. This is the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, blowing up spending, ripping up regulations with a chain saw, using his pick-up truck to round up "illegals," and of course he had to cock his gun in there, too.
10) This is Paul Broun describing his AR-15 as a "Liberty Machine" and announcing a fun AR-15 giveaway.
11) Jerome Davidson portraying Democrats as KKK members and shooting them (off camera).
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 15, 2024 2:37:34 GMT
Now this is funny. Seriously this is funny. The first thing you need to understand is you can’t believe a word he says. ABC… “One day after being grazed by a bullet in an attempted assassination, former Pres. Donald Trump said he plans to take advantage of the moment and deliver a message of unity at the RNC.” x.com/abc/status/1812672734603669731?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 15, 2024 10:47:13 GMT
This covers almost everything from the Republican spin that any criticism of Trump is an incitement of violence, the actual violent rhetoric from Republicans, Biden pausing campaign ads vs Trump fundraising and potential MAGA plans for investigations. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-14-2024Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing.
The idea that Democratic opposition to authoritarian plans like those outlined in Project 2025 caused violence might convince MAGA Republicans, but it will likely be a hard sell for Americans who remember things like:
•or Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina, who is running for the governorship and who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention starting tomorrow, saying just two weeks ago: “Some folks need killing! It’s time for somebody to say it.”
Indeed, in March 2024, in Vance’s home state, Trump said: if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole…country,” and a 2022 campaign ad by Representative Collins himself showed him shooting a rifle at Nancy Pelosi’s “agenda” and at a cardboard rhinoceros he says is a “RINO,” a Republican in Name Only.
Republicans under Trump have increasingly advocated violence as a way to gain power because they know their unpopular positions cannot lead their candidates to victory in free and fair elections. In this moment, when there is still little evidence about yesterday’s tragedy, it appears they are projecting their own behavior onto Biden and the Democrats, blaming them for advocating violence when in fact, Biden and the Democrats have tried hard to enact commonsense gun safety laws and have consistently condemned the violent language and normalizing of political violence by Republicans.
Republicans’ embrace of violence is a hallmark of authoritarian leaders; by definition it undermines democracy. In Nashville, Tennessee, today, neo-Nazis shouting “Hitler was right!” were involved in fights in the streets. Ending that resort to violence, which never advances society and always injures it, is key to restoring the guardrails of democracy.
Biden rejected the idea that criticizing the Republicans’ extremism was polarizing. While they can “criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country,” he said, “I’ll continue to speak out strongly for our democracy, stand up for our Constitution and the rule of law, to call for action at the ballot box, no violence on our streets. That’s how democracy should work.”
Biden paused all campaign ads and events after the shooting and told staffers to “refrain from issuing any comments on social media or in public.” Trump is fundraising off the attempt on his life, but he spent the day golfing rather than campaigning.
Within hours of the shooting, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that “THE HOUSE WILL CONDUCT A FULL INVESTIGATION OF THE TRAGIC EVENTS TODAY,” saying, “The American people deserve to know the truth.” Although the FBI investigation has barely gotten underway and Congress has no law enforcement power, Johnson promised to have officials from the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and the FBI “appear for a hearing before our committees ASAP.”
Observers noted that it sounded like MAGA plans to have yet another investigation designed to spread a narrative, in this case, that the “Deep State” was involved in the shooting
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Post by sunshine on Jul 15, 2024 11:02:22 GMT
If what I've heard is true, yesterday's shooter wasn't on any law enforcement radar, and the gun was legally purchased by his father (again...if this is accurate). IF he didn't have mental health issues his father was aware of, what could have stopped him? I can’t believe I’m responding to this, but the answer seems obvious. Not allowing AR-15s to be purchased as easily as groceries or shoes. This (and the vast majority of mass shootings/killings in the U.S.) wouldn’t have happened if people weren’t able to purchase AR-15s on a whim or purchase and give as gifts. Hmmmm, I did say this:
"I don't believe an average non-LEO citizen and the like should have a gun, period. So guess what? We don't own one."
You are correct, I didn't specifically point out AR-15s, but I'd have thought it would have fallen into my general comment about gun ownership. But I will make it very clear: yes AR-15s will cause maximum carnage in a very short time. There is no reason for an average citizen to have one.
I'll go on to offer a list of every other type of gun that can kill someone: ALL of them.
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Post by sunshine on Jul 15, 2024 11:04:13 GMT
You and your husband are responsible gun owners. Do you think you're the only ones? Do you think it's only those on the right, that are white, that are irresponsible gun owners?
If what I've heard is true, yesterday's shooter wasn't on any law enforcement radar, and the gun was legally purchased by his father (again...if this is accurate). IF he didn't have mental health issues his father was aware of, what could have stopped him?
I don't believe an average non-LEO citizen and the like should have a gun, period. So guess what? We don't own one. I think there should be stiff penalties for anyone caught with one, using one, or selling one, that isn't supposed to have one. But, for some reason, that discussion doesn't take place. Where's the disgust for the shootings that happen on the daily?
You're joking, right? Right? A right-winger complaining that the left isn't showing enough disgust for shootings that happen on the daily? The school shootings, mass shootings, gang violence, domestic violence, instances of toddlers shooting their siblings ... we're the ONLY ones talking about it unless a R wants to bring up Chicago. (Which doesn't even rank in the top 20 US cities for gun crime, but who's concerned about facts?) I don't think people should be able to purchase a gun without, at the least, thorough background and mental health check, updated every few years. So we agree on that. The reason the "discussion" doesn't take place is because we can't even get the right to agree to universal background checks. Any gun safety laws, red flag laws, or restrictions on gun ownership we suggest are shot down (pun intended) immediately by the "shall not infringe" people. I honestly don't know who you think you're talking to here. The right has spent the last sixteen years or so accusing the left of wanting to take away everyone's guns and blocking every attempt we make to regulate their purchase. Beto's presidential campaign was literally torpedoed because he said, hell yes, we're coming for your guns. And you want to blame US for not doing enough to prevent shootings? You must be on crack. As expected.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 15, 2024 11:13:48 GMT
This seems to sum up the discussion about violent rhetoric pretty well other side is a furnaceBrett Meiselas @bmeiselas
It's difficult to turn down the temperature when the other side is a furnace.I was going to “like” that comment even before seeing the tweet it was referring to. Ugh. |
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 15, 2024 11:40:27 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive?
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