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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 13:18:00 GMT
You're joking, right? Right? A right-winger complaining that the left isn't showing enough disgust for shootings that happen on the daily? The school shootings, mass shootings, gang violence, domestic violence, instances of toddlers shooting their siblings ... we're the ONLY ones talking about it unless a R wants to bring up Chicago. (Which doesn't even rank in the top 20 US cities for gun crime, but who's concerned about facts?) I don't think people should be able to purchase a gun without, at the least, thorough background and mental health check, updated every few years. So we agree on that. The reason the "discussion" doesn't take place is because we can't even get the right to agree to universal background checks. Any gun safety laws, red flag laws, or restrictions on gun ownership we suggest are shot down (pun intended) immediately by the "shall not infringe" people. I honestly don't know who you think you're talking to here. The right has spent the last sixteen years or so accusing the left of wanting to take away everyone's guns and blocking every attempt we make to regulate their purchase. Beto's presidential campaign was literally torpedoed because he said, hell yes, we're coming for your guns. And you want to blame US for not doing enough to prevent shootings? You must be on crack. As expected.
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 13:42:07 GMT
Your periodic reminder that, in the state of Texas, our governor has set a precedent that liberal protestors can be run over and/or shot with impunity. www.texastribune.org/2024/05/16/daniel-perry-greg-abbott-pardon/I would also argue that both men legally carrying guns here was a big part of the problem, but Abbott's decision is that only a man who has stated a desire to shoot BLM protesters (carrying guns or no) and then literally drives into a crowd is free to do so. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 15, 2024 15:09:19 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive? I guess we should all just call it a day then and allow BS like this to continue:   |
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Post by gar on Jul 15, 2024 15:20:04 GMT
Gosh dawnnikol, that carefully worded, conciliatory, even handed tweet should do the trick and unify your country, no problem!  |
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Post by librarylady on Jul 15, 2024 15:20:21 GMT
Yesterday I saw a post "Guns don't shoot people, people use the guns to shoot others "
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 15, 2024 15:22:25 GMT
I haven’t read this whole thread, so forgive me if someone already brought this up.
Republicans know there is still a good chance that Biden will beat him in this geriatric-cage-match-of-an-election. They also know they have lost control of the monster they allowed the MAGA base to create. However, they are locked into having him on the fall ballot because he is never stepping aside for a younger candidate who would probably be a guaranteed win against Biden.
Last week I was having coffee with a friend and said “I wouldn’t be surprised if someone shots him before the RNC convention so they can have open nominations.” And here we are.
She texted me on Saturday and asked if I have a crystal ball LOL.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 15:43:56 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive? Same shit. Same players. Same outcome. I don't believe in the existence of this board has someone changed their political views based off another persons post. Yet the arguing and name calling continues. Discussion isn't what is wanted on these threads. It befuddles me honestly. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2024 16:09:15 GMT
Yesterday I saw a post "Guns don't shoot people, people use the guns to shoot others " But people without guns can't shoot two full classrooms of kids like caged animals! |
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 15, 2024 16:12:06 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive? I guess we should all just call it a day then and allow BS like this to continue: I don't presume to be able to put a stop to anything by arguing with strangers on a scrapbooking message board. |
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 15, 2024 16:14:51 GMT
Same shit. Same players. Same outcome. Once it gets to 10 pages, I can name the players without opening the thread first. There's a kind of magical thinking that gives people the impression that they will save democracy from one side or the other by using only their keyboards. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2024 16:15:02 GMT
Actually posting gives some better ideas/talking points if they are willing to discuss the situation with others
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Post by mom on Jul 15, 2024 16:15:33 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive? It's one thing to try and hash out whats going on in the moment (like this thread started as) but now? Now its just the usual political crap. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 16:24:25 GMT
Actually posting gives some better ideas/talking points if they are willing to discuss the situation with others I would agree. Typically though that is not what we see here. There are a few of you that are trying to discuss but your voice is lost in the incessant posting of the extremists (on BOTH sides) that are bickering back and forth about who is superior. I miss the days on the old board where we could have actual political discussions. They were so enlightening. This is just political spewing here. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 15, 2024 16:35:11 GMT
Cool, glad we can all move on from Saturday and the fallout.
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Post by mom on Jul 15, 2024 16:40:56 GMT
Jeff Jackson (D representative from NC) just sent out an email and at the bottom he said he would tell what he knows for fact as of today about the assassination attempt. I am going to copy + paste it here, since it includes some info that people might be interested in re: Saturday.
Copied and pasted from his email but the BOLD is me.
The shooter was positioned on a rooftop 148 yards away.
The roof was just outside of the security perimeter established by the Secret Service. In other words, they had not secured that location. (THIS IS NEWS TO ME)
They did have a counter sniper in place who spotted the shooter before he opened fire and had his rifle aimed at him, which is why the shooter was taken down within three seconds of his first shot.
The shooter was 20 years old. He used an AR-15 variant that was registered to his father. He had two explosive devices in his car. He had a full-time job at a nursing home and no criminal record. (Also news to me)
In addition to wounding the former president, he injured several others and killed a father who was using his body to shield his family.
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 15, 2024 16:41:43 GMT
I miss the days on the old board where we could have actual political discussions. I miss those days, period. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 15, 2024 16:55:19 GMT
Jeff Jackson (D representative from NC) just sent out an email and at the bottom he said he would tell what he knows for fact as of today about the assassination attempt. I am going to copy + paste it here, since it includes some info that people might be interested in re: Saturday. Copied and pasted from his email but the BOLD is me. The shooter was positioned on a rooftop 148 yards away. The roof was just outside of the security perimeter established by the Secret Service. In other words, they had not secured that location. (THIS IS NEWS TO ME)They did have a counter sniper in place who spotted the shooter before he opened fire and had his rifle aimed at him, which is why the shooter was taken down within three seconds of his first shot. The shooter was 20 years old. He used an AR-15 variant that was registered to his father. He had two explosive devices in his car. He had a full-time job at a nursing home and no criminal record. ( Also news to me) In addition to wounding the former president, he injured several others and killed a father who was using his body to shield his family. On CNN this morning they said that the Secret Service was working with local authorities to secure that building. So, basically the local police was supposed to be taking care of that building. They also said that the SS is a "thin force" right now, in part because of so many different events such as this rally, the RNC, trips by the President and first lady, etc. |
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Post by mom on Jul 15, 2024 17:00:00 GMT
Jeff Jackson (D representative from NC) just sent out an email and at the bottom he said he would tell what he knows for fact as of today about the assassination attempt. I am going to copy + paste it here, since it includes some info that people might be interested in re: Saturday. Copied and pasted from his email but the BOLD is me. The shooter was positioned on a rooftop 148 yards away. The roof was just outside of the security perimeter established by the Secret Service. In other words, they had not secured that location. (THIS IS NEWS TO ME)They did have a counter sniper in place who spotted the shooter before he opened fire and had his rifle aimed at him, which is why the shooter was taken down within three seconds of his first shot. The shooter was 20 years old. He used an AR-15 variant that was registered to his father. He had two explosive devices in his car. He had a full-time job at a nursing home and no criminal record. ( Also news to me) In addition to wounding the former president, he injured several others and killed a father who was using his body to shield his family. On CNN this morning they said that the Secret Service was working with local authorities to secure that building. So, basically the local police was supposed to be taking care of that building. They also said that the SS is a "thin force" right now, in part because of so many different events such as this rally, the RNC, trips by the President and first lady, etc. That makes sense. I knew local LE had encountered him first and I swear I had seen an interview with the building owner saying SS had cleared the building ahead of time and secured it, but who knows. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 17:06:29 GMT
Actually posting gives some better ideas/talking points if they are willing to discuss the situation with others I would agree. Typically though that is not what we see here. There are a few of you that are trying to discuss but your voice is lost in the incessant posting of the extremists (on BOTH sides) that are bickering back and forth about who is superior. I miss the days on the old board where we could have actual political discussions. They were so enlightening. This is just political spewing here. When was that? It feels to me like we've just changed from the majority being on the right to the majority being on the left. But to answer your question, people's basic human rights and freedoms should not be up for discussion. That's why we can't have discussion now. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 17:08:11 GMT
Same shit. Same players. Same outcome. Once it gets to 10 pages, I can name the players without opening the thread first. There's a kind of magical thinking that gives people the impression that they will save democracy from one side or the other by using only their keyboards. If you don't want to read the thread, don't open it. Easy peasy. I'm under no illusions that I'm "saving democracy." This is simply a special interest of mind and I enjoy clarifying my own thoughts by comparing them to others. Again, if you don't like it, go play on the game threads. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 17:10:40 GMT
Am I the only one who finds irony in a 10-page thread arguing over which side is the more divisive? Same shit. Same players. Same outcome. I don't believe in the existence of this board has someone changed their political views based off another persons post. Yet the arguing and name calling continues. Discussion isn't what is wanted on these threads. It befuddles me honestly. In what way should we discuss whether people should have basic human rights and freedoms? What are the both sides on that? Because that's where we are right now. I know no one's opinion is changed. If you don't want to read what is written here, back on out and go start a thread about socks. No one is forcing you to read. |
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Post by Judy26 on Jul 15, 2024 17:11:17 GMT
When President Regan was shot I lived outside DC. Everyone was shocked and glued to their television. It was universally condemned.
I live 45 minutes away from Butler. I was at a wedding when the shooting happened. The guests were a mixture of both democrats and republicans. When the news broke at the wedding the primary reaction was no surprise and no real change in atmosphere. I find it quite telling that in a group of over 200 mostly educated people the lack of interest or concern was so prevalent. Kind of like this is to be expected and we won’t let it ruin our day.
I’m not taking one side or the other (I am a fairly liberal democrat) just noticing the difference in people’s perception of the two incidents.
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 17:26:16 GMT
When President Regan was shot I lived outside DC. Everyone was shocked and glued to their television. It was universally condemned. I live 45 minutes away from Butler. I was at a wedding when the shooting happened. The guests were a mixture of both democrats and republicans. When the news broke at the wedding the primary reaction was no surprise and no real change in atmosphere. I find it quite telling that in a group of over 200 mostly educated people the lack of interest or concern was so prevalent. Kind of like this is to be expected and we won’t let it ruin our day. I’m not taking one side or the other (I am a fairly liberal democrat) just noticing the difference in people’s perception of the two incidents. Our country is a very different place than it was in the early 80s. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 15, 2024 17:33:27 GMT
My Jr High band got to play for Reagan in my area of southern CA in the late 80s on a now closed Air Force base and oh boy was security tight. It already was due to what went on at the base but we were surrounded by secret service while playing and sitting down listening to him.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 15, 2024 17:33:35 GMT
I miss the days on the old board where we could have actual political discussions. They were so enlightening. This is just not true. Unless you were a right winger who had your flock that overtook the board back in the early 2000's. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 17:45:45 GMT
Jeff Jackson (D representative from NC) just sent out an email and at the bottom he said he would tell what he knows for fact as of today about the assassination attempt. I am going to copy + paste it here, since it includes some info that people might be interested in re: Saturday. Copied and pasted from his email but the BOLD is me. The shooter was positioned on a rooftop 148 yards away. The roof was just outside of the security perimeter established by the Secret Service. In other words, they had not secured that location. (THIS IS NEWS TO ME)They did have a counter sniper in place who spotted the shooter before he opened fire and had his rifle aimed at him, which is why the shooter was taken down within three seconds of his first shot. The shooter was 20 years old. He used an AR-15 variant that was registered to his father. He had two explosive devices in his car. He had a full-time job at a nursing home and no criminal record. ( Also news to me) In addition to wounding the former president, he injured several others and killed a father who was using his body to shield his family. On CNN this morning they said that the Secret Service was working with local authorities to secure that building. So, basically the local police was supposed to be taking care of that building. They also said that the SS is a "thin force" right now, in part because of so many different events such as this rally, the RNC, trips by the President and first lady, etc. While I can understand that shouldn't there be a SOP or some resource management? If you don't have adequate resources in terms of your labor then something needs to be done with the scheduling of the events. Obviously when it comes to the sitting President it is different because he doesn't always know when he has to make a visit in response to a state of emergency. There should always be the resources to accommodate the current POTUS but beyond that I feel like there should be a clear policy rather than oops we overbooked events so we don't have adequate coverage. On the upside some of the weaknesses and holes were exposed so the SS can investigate what happened and create a corrective action to prevent it from occurring again when the threat could possibly be greater. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 17:54:03 GMT
Same shit. Same players. Same outcome. I don't believe in the existence of this board has someone changed their political views based off another persons post. Yet the arguing and name calling continues. Discussion isn't what is wanted on these threads. It befuddles me honestly. In what way should we discuss whether people should have basic human rights and freedoms? What are the both sides on that? Because that's where we are right now. I know no one's opinion is changed. If you don't want to read what is written here, back on out and go start a thread about socks. No one is forcing you to read. Oh wow, assuming just because I don't want to hurl insults must mean I want to participate in game threads or threads about socks. I find that condescending. Let's be honest onelasttime and morecowbell (and the like) are not helping their cause by the way they participate in the threads. There are about a half dozen peas that overtake threads taking shots at each other so others trying to talk about the issue get lost in all their copy and paste articles, tweets, etc. It becomes a thread of them going back and forth trying to play the gotcha game. I would love to talk about current issues but unfortunately I can't start a thread for discussion. In a way I wish it was like FB where I could post something but exclude certain peas from seeing it. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 17:57:13 GMT
When President Regan was shot I lived outside DC. Everyone was shocked and glued to their television. It was universally condemned. I live 45 minutes away from Butler. I was at a wedding when the shooting happened. The guests were a mixture of both democrats and republicans. When the news broke at the wedding the primary reaction was no surprise and no real change in atmosphere. I find it quite telling that in a group of over 200 mostly educated people the lack of interest or concern was so prevalent. Kind of like this is to be expected and we won’t let it ruin our day. I’m not taking one side or the other (I am a fairly liberal democrat) just noticing the difference in people’s perception of the two incidents. Our country is a very different place than it was in the early 80s. I wish we could take the best parts of each decade to live. You know how some singers will release a greatest hits album? Can we made the decade of 2030-2039 be our greatest hits? However, I vote nothing from the 2020-2029 be included. It has been one huge dumpster fire after another. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 15, 2024 18:00:41 GMT
I miss the days on the old board where we could have actual political discussions. They were so enlightening. This is just not true. Unless you were a right winger who had your flock that overtook the board back in the early 2000's. Nah, I thought it was a pretty equal mix. However, I was in my early 30s back then so my viewpoints and participation back then is much different than it is now in my late 40s. Kind of like when I was a kid I thought that gum that came in a roll was the greatest and now as an adult I think it is nasty. So I will give you that perhaps rose colored glasses could be in play here.  |
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Post by Merge on Jul 15, 2024 18:05:48 GMT
In what way should we discuss whether people should have basic human rights and freedoms? What are the both sides on that? Because that's where we are right now. I know no one's opinion is changed. If you don't want to read what is written here, back on out and go start a thread about socks. No one is forcing you to read. Oh wow, assuming just because I don't want to hurl insults must mean I want to participate in game threads or threads about socks. I find that condescending. Let's be honest onelasttime and morecowbell (and the like) are not helping their cause by the way they participate in the threads. There are about a half dozen peas that overtake threads taking shots at each other so others trying to talk about the issue get lost in all their copy and paste articles, tweets, etc. It becomes a thread of them going back and forth trying to play the gotcha game. I would love to talk about current issues but unfortunately I can't start a thread for discussion. In a way I wish it was like FB where I could post something but exclude certain peas from seeing it. Welp, I find it condescending when people point out that we're not changing minds or saving democracy here. As if anyone thought we were. And insulting to suggest that people's basic rights should be up for discussion. I block people like morecowbell and don't respond to them. Others can do as they like. |
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