Trump was shot-no details

Oh wait, another RNC speaker scheduled for this upcoming week, but Dems are the violent ones:

He also wants to repeal the 19th amendment, to no longer allow women to vote!!
He is a very sick puppy. BTW: he happens to be Black.

Truly disgusting man puts on the sweet southern drawl... I' m a good 'ole boy attitude..


youtu.be/FeCFzN1hYaw?si=8UGUBHxzXqfnvID9

Nope.  Try again.  Guns are used in self defense significantly less than millions- 70,040 in 2018.  And significantly less than the number of incidents of gun violence - 484,000 in 2018.  Nine times as many people are victimized by guns vs protected by guns.  The presence of a gun increases the risk of a fatality.  Guns do not necessarily make you safer.

Uvalde and the incident with Trump where even the secret service couldn't protect him should make it clear than more good guys with guns is not the answer


www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/

bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tpfv9318.pdf

www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

www.wral.com/story/fact-check-are-guns-used-1-5-million-times-per-year-to-save-lives/20351987/

www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

There's a lot more to the article but this articulates really well the thought that conservatives can't seem to say we condemn political violence and we recognize that Trump himself promotes political violence.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/?gift=plVWOSLV7cMybi4I8xjlFJqgA4zmv-QLvM82gySYz8g&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share


When a madman hammered nearly to death the husband of then–House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump jeered and mocked. One of Trump’s sons and other close Trump supporters avidly promoted false claims that Paul Pelosi had somehow brought the onslaught upon himself through a sexual misadventure.

After authorities apprehended a right-wing-extremist plot to abduct Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Trump belittled the threat at a rally. He disparaged Whitmer as a political enemy. His supporters chanted “Lock her up.” Trump laughed and replied, “Lock them all up.”

Fascism feasts on violence. In the years since his own supporters attacked the Capitol to overturn the 2020 election—many of them threatening harm to Speaker Pelosi and Vice President Mike Pence—Trump has championed the invaders, would-be kidnappers, and would-be murderers as martyrs and hostages. He has vowed to pardon them if returned to office. His own staffers have testified to the glee with which Trump watched the mayhem on television.

Nobody seems to have language to say: We abhor, reject, repudiate, and punish all political violence, even as we maintain that Trump remains himself a promoter of such violence, a subverter of American institutions, and the very opposite of everything decent and patriotic in American life.

Now the bloodshed that Trump has done so much to incite against others has touched him as well. The attempted murder of Trump—and the killing of a person nearby—is a horror and an outrage.

All decent people welcome the sparing of his life. Trump’s reckoning should be with the orderly process of law, not with the bloodshed he rejoiced in when it befell others. He and his allies will exploit a gunman’s vicious criminality as their path to exonerate past crimes and empower new ones. Those who stand against Trump and his allies must find the will and the language to explain why these crimes, past and planned, are all wrong, all intolerable—and how the gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory, are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy.

I do not personally own or carry a gun. I can read facts, and the fact is that the risk far outweighs the potential benefit.

DH has a couple that are kept locked up. He hasn't taken them out in years and doesn't carry them around like an idiot. And as a former Marine, he doesn't feel that the near equivalent of the weapons of war he was trained to use should be sold to civilians.

(Believe me, I'd be perfectly happy if he sold them. One is his grandfather's bolt-action hunting rifle, so it has sentimental value. The other is a pistol an idiot friend talked him into buying in 2008 because "Obama is going to take all our guns." He has never fired it.)

The ones like this fear being alone. Kills them that women don’t feel the same.

nothing that happened yesterday is going to change my mind about trump, biden, guns, the US, etc. it's more of the same.

You're joking, right? Right? A right-winger complaining that the left isn't showing enough disgust for shootings that happen on the daily? The school shootings, mass shootings, gang violence, domestic violence, instances of toddlers shooting their siblings ... we're the ONLY ones talking about it unless a R wants to bring up Chicago. (Which doesn't even rank in the top 20 US cities for gun crime, but who's concerned about facts?)

I don't think people should be able to purchase a gun without, at the least, thorough background and mental health check, updated every few years. So we agree on that. The reason the "discussion" doesn't take place is because we can't even get the right to agree to universal background checks. Any gun safety laws, red flag laws, or restrictions on gun ownership we suggest are shot down (pun intended) immediately by the "shall not infringe" people.

I honestly don't know who you think you're talking to here. The right has spent the last sixteen years or so accusing the left of wanting to take away everyone's guns and blocking every attempt we make to regulate their purchase. Beto's presidential campaign was literally torpedoed because he said, hell yes, we're coming for your guns. And you want to blame US for not doing enough to prevent shootings? You must be on crack.

“By telling people to go peacefully and asking for more National Guard to prevent what he's supposedly encouraging?🙄”

You are the embodiment  of the trump, MAGA, right wing Christian beliefs. Whether you repeat their nonsense word for word or use your own words it’s clear what your beliefs are.

Take your answer above. As usual you are trying to claim was an innocent party to the events of January 6.  But was he?

First, let’s talk about the rally where he ginned up those at the rally saying things like  “We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country  anymore”.

Then he tells them to march “peacefully” to Capitol.  He uses “peacefully” after ginning them up by saying you have “to fight like hell”.  So they marched peacefully to the Capitol but when they got there they “fought like hell”.  Just like trump told them.

I looked at a timeline.  The arrack started at 1:30ish. Someone other than trump ordered them National Guard Rapid Respone team to suit up.  They were ready to go by about 2pm.  Where they waited and waited and waited for the “go” command.

Meanwhile the guy that had to give this command was watching it unfold on tv which was very well documented.  Meanwhile his son Jr and member of Congress were texting and calling begging for him to do  something.  Finally sometime after 3:30 he gives the order to send in the National Guard.  90 minutes he watched on tv before doing anything.  Then he tries to blame it Nancy Pelosi.  He was the Commander-In-Chief.  It was his order to give and he sat there watching it on TV for 90 minutes after National Guard was ready to go.

So your smart ass answer left out a few important details wouldn’t you say?  But your answer was the embodiment of the right’s misinformation about happened that day.

Speaking of deflection.  Are you ever going to answer the simple question I asked you about trump several weeks ago?  I’ll ask it again.  “Do you think trump is a compassionate man?”
 

Mike Lee, a Senator from UT, posted video of TFG golfing today and listing incredibly weird things about him... then finds out the video is "from another day".  

You seem to have a hard time understanding just what facts are so here’s a definition for you.

“ fact
noun
plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.”

By the way you still haven’t answered the question.  Your refusal to do so makes me think that you don’t think he is a compassionate man.

Way out of line!!

x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1812559412869120236
There’s a specific scientific term for this kind of (very unusual) man—you know, the kind of man that gets shot, gets up the next morning, and goes golfing," the Republican lawmaker added. "In case you’re not familiar with this word, I’ll share it with you. The word is 'bada--.'"

The problem for Lee, however, is that the video wasn't filmed after the attempted assassination.

Meridith McGraw, national political correspondent for Politico, provided a fact check.

"Bedminster is closed to members today. Spoke with two members who said they cannot access the property because of security," she wrote. "This video was not taken today per the account that posted it."

Anti-Trump conservative George Conway sarcastically said, "Nice to know we can trust the social media account of a United States Senator."

www.rawstory.com/mike-lee-trump-golfing-shooting-false/