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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
Curious if you think the mass deportations are a good cause? Mostly a rhetorical question, it seems unlikely that you will come back to this thread. People who enter our country illegally should be deported. My friends who immigrated legally tend to agree with that. It seems most people don’t like to make that distinction. The problem is, Americans want to take care of the world, when we don’t have good systems in place for our own citizens. Seeking asylum is also legal. Many of the people coming here are seeking asylum. Do you know how difficult it is to come here legally now? I do think that we need to overhaul our procedures for seeking asylum and work visas, but I also want to make sure people who drone on and on about people coming to the border know that many are seeking asylum. Also, it’s important to look at the actual numbers and policies of various presidents rather than taking Trump’s word for it that he made things better. If he has solved the problem of immigration we wouldn’t still have it now. ETA that immigration isn’t just about “taking care of the world.” Immigration also helps US. That is going to be even more apparent if Trump starts deporting people (who may actually be legal) and as our workforce gets older. We already have a lot of job openings that don’t get filled as it is. |
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Post by joylynaroundthebnd on Jul 19, 2024 21:16:08 GMT
People who enter our country illegally should be deported. My friends who immigrated legally tend to agree with that. It seems most people don’t like to make that distinction. The problem is, Americans want to take care of the world, when we don’t have good systems in place for our own citizens. Seeking asylum is also legal. Many of the people coming here are seeking asylum. Do you know how difficult it is to come here legally now? I do think that we need to overhaul our procedures for seeking asylum and work visas, but I also want to make sure people who drone on and on about people coming to the border know that many are seeking asylum. Also, it’s important to look at the actual numbers and policies of various presidents rather than taking Trump’s word for it that he made things better. If he has solved the problem of immigration we wouldn’t still have it now. ETA that immigration isn’t just about “taking care of the world.” Immigration also helps US. That is going to be even more apparent if Trump starts deporting people (who may actually be legal) and as our workforce gets older. We already have a lot of job openings that don’t get filled as it is. For the record, I do my own research. I don’t blindly take anyone’s statements as facts. Seeking asylum is legal, I didn’t say that it wasn’t. However, based on my research and experience investigating criminal activity, some of those coming in are not here to better our country. The system does need work. I find it incredibly offensive that Americans care more about how those entering our country are treated, than protecting our citizens from those criminals. I also think we need to stop dealing in absolutes. Not everyone crossing the border illegally is a criminal (although by crossing illegally they become a criminal) and not everyone who is a Republican likes Trump. What politicians try to do is pit us against each other, with the hope that we won’t look so closely at them. That, in my mind is what is destroying America. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2024 21:21:47 GMT
Seeking asylum is also legal. Many of the people coming here are seeking asylum. Do you know how difficult it is to come here legally now? I do think that we need to overhaul our procedures for seeking asylum and work visas, but I also want to make sure people who drone on and on about people coming to the border know that many are seeking asylum. Also, it’s important to look at the actual numbers and policies of various presidents rather than taking Trump’s word for it that he made things better. If he has solved the problem of immigration we wouldn’t still have it now. ETA that immigration isn’t just about “taking care of the world.” Immigration also helps US. That is going to be even more apparent if Trump starts deporting people (who may actually be legal) and as our workforce gets older. We already have a lot of job openings that don’t get filled as it is. For the record, I do my own research. I don’t blindly take anyone’s statements as facts. Seeking asylum is legal, I didn’t say that it wasn’t. However, based on my research and experience investigating criminal activity, some of those coming in are not here to better our country. The system does need work. I find it incredibly offensive that Americans care more about how those entering our country are treated, than protecting our citizens from those criminals. I also think we need to stop dealing in absolutes. Not everyone crossing the border illegally is a criminal (although by crossing illegally they become a criminal) and not everyone who is a Republican likes Trump. What politicians try to do is pit us against each other, with the hope that we won’t look so closely at them. That, in my mind is what is destroying America. A lot of what you just said makes a lot of sense. But it doesn't jive with supporting Trump. I find it offensive that Republicans want to talk about how disgusting and dangerous immigrants are and we need to keep them all out because of that, yet don't want to do anything to protect us from people who are already here. In your research, what did you find out about the rates of crime perpetrated by immigrants vs American born citizens? I think we can treat immigrants respectfully while also keeping the real bad guys out. But again, it will take work from all aspects of the government working together. We saw how well that worked out when Trump told his minions not to do so. If you vote for Trump, you are voting for his character and his policies. By this time we all know who he is. If someone is ok with that, it also says who they are. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 19, 2024 21:42:31 GMT
Remember tfg is protecting the 'black and brown jobs' the ' Hispanic jobs' because that is where he thinks our Black, brown and Hispanic citizens should be required to work, while his white christian nationalist citizens get the good jobs!!
Wonder how Vance will deal with that one?
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2024 22:03:58 GMT
My question, where are people supposed to keep naturalization papers, passports, birth certificates etc to keep them safe, but also to have on hand to prove you belong here. I don't have all mine here. Do you? As an American who does not look Caucasian, this worries me. Who is to say the agents won't get overzealous and round up first and ask questions later? I don't carry around my passport, social security card, or birth certificate. What about minors who were brought here at very young ages. They know no other place to live. They had no choice about coming here. They in general are well educated, speak fluent English and may not even speak the language of their parents. They work and contribute, pay taxes, start businesses. They have no where to go!! There was a story a few years back about a young man who was originally from Japan. He immigrated to the US as a very young boy with his mom, legally. His mom was engaged, but something happened and she passed away before the wedding. The boy fell through the cracks. Apparently he had some family in the US, but he was never adopted by them and nothing done about his citizenship. When he was around 20, he was caught up in an immigration raid on a public bus, as he was going to school. He was going to be deported back to Japan. He did not know the language well enough to be able to get a job in Japan, and he had no known relatives in Japan. I never found out what happened to him, but his case was in the news for awhile. He had a lot of support from friends and teachers. I feel for the kids like this. They had no say in coming to the US, became totally Americanized, and then to have to suddenly go to a place you don't even remember and may not even speak the language anymore. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Jul 19, 2024 22:24:37 GMT
Seeking asylum is also legal. Many of the people coming here are seeking asylum. Do you know how difficult it is to come here legally now? I do think that we need to overhaul our procedures for seeking asylum and work visas, but I also want to make sure people who drone on and on about people coming to the border know that many are seeking asylum. Also, it’s important to look at the actual numbers and policies of various presidents rather than taking Trump’s word for it that he made things better. If he has solved the problem of immigration we wouldn’t still have it now. ETA that immigration isn’t just about “taking care of the world.” Immigration also helps US. That is going to be even more apparent if Trump starts deporting people (who may actually be legal) and as our workforce gets older. We already have a lot of job openings that don’t get filled as it is. For the record, I do my own research. I don’t blindly take anyone’s statements as facts. Seeking asylum is legal, I didn’t say that it wasn’t. However, based on my research and experience investigating criminal activity, some of those coming in are not here to better our country. The system does need work. I find it incredibly offensive that Americans care more about how those entering our country are treated, than protecting our citizens from those criminals. I also think we need to stop dealing in absolutes. Not everyone crossing the border illegally is a criminal (although by crossing illegally they become a criminal) and not everyone who is a Republican likes Trump. What politicians try to do is pit us against each other, with the hope that we won’t look so closely at them. That, in my mind is what is destroying America. Well since the % of ‘criminals’ coming across the borders are an extremely low low % compared to families and children just trying to survive, then maybe we should approach it as many wanted to do during Covid when many thought that death rates where such a low % there was no need to do anything to mitigate the issue. (Said tongue in cheek) And the majority of those trying to cross the border are just Parents trying to save their children and families by doing anything possible. Trying to save their children who are actually living and breathing in the world…and we can all agree how sacred life is, especially those of children. We have see a lot of rallies, ads, and Court decisions all over the US reminding us of this lately. These people trying to save their children are the people who actually often help our economy and our agriculture, farms, meat processing, etc, industries - those jobs that we can NOT get Americans to take. There is a huge problem within these industries. Isn’t it ironic, though, that so many of those ‘legally’ applying are people who are actually taking the jobs that Americans are trying to get. 🤷🏻♀️ So YES something needs to be done as there are issues…big issues. But they are not NEW issues, they have not only come to be in the last 4 years.. go back and read information/articles from 5, 10, 15, and more years ago. Same issues were being talked about then. I don’t know what the answer is but to think that it is new, causing crime spikes, and that our children are more deserving to live than others because a God made them be born in a certain region of the world seems to be some what short sighted. But those are just MY opinions. |
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Post by ntsf on Jul 19, 2024 22:34:20 GMT
dear me how did our country survive with no immigration restrictions (broad ones)..in the first 150 yrs..?
everyone agrees the current legal system is almost unworkable on any level at all.
deporting everyone will crash economy.. and the crops will rot in the fields among other things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 20, 2024 0:04:51 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 20, 2024 1:17:24 GMT
I think everyone can agree that the current immigration system is broken and in need of massive Congressional reform. Democrats negotiated in good faith with the Republicans but Trump told them to vote against the bipartisan bill. Mass deportation is not the answer, it will only tear families apart and destroy our economy. Republicans portray immigrants in evil, demonizing, dehumanizing terms including falsely labeling them as criminals, calling them "vermin", saying they are "poisoning the blood of our country", accusing them en masse of being murderers and rapists, referring to them as an invasion, falsely blaming them for inflation and the housing crisis etc. These are all falsehoods created by Republicans to stir up hate and discontent, fear monger and exploit social and racial fears. Immigrants are not any more prone to crime than the general population. They are hardworking men and women, trying to provide for their families and give their children a better life. Fixing our immigration system and making it easier for people to move here legally and safely is the right way for humanitarian reasons and for our economy. Improving the guest worker system will help with the labor shortage as well as give people the opportunity to work here legally. The Family Reunification program needs reform so that immigrants here legally can bring their families here in a reasonable time frame, not 20 years. Improving conditions in countries where migrants are fleeing will help. Addressing climate change and taking responsibility for our role in creating it is also needed. Many people in countries disproportionately affected by climate change have been forced to migrate. apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-republican-convention-illegal-immigration-204ae438725d5b15126325a63330ce5c |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 20, 2024 11:58:34 GMT
Interesting perspective on Kimberly Guilfoyle’s comment about storming the beaches of Normandy to defeat communism. Initially I thought she was just stupid like the rest of the Trump family, but it might be something more nefarious. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-19-2024Part of that storyline requires rewriting not just the recent past, but our history. At the convention last night, Donald Trump Jr.’s fiancée, Kimberly Guilfoyle, said: “It is no wonder that the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy and faced down communism sadly say they don’t recognize our country anymore.” But the Allied soldiers in World War II were not fighting communism. They were fighting fascism. The three great Allied powers were Great Britain, the United States, and the communist Soviet Union.
It might be that Guilfoyle misspoke, or that she doesn’t know even the most basic facts of our history. Or it might be that by rewriting that history to put America on the side of the fascists, people like Guilfoyle hope to make that alliance more palatable to MAGA followers today. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 20, 2024 15:42:08 GMT
Interesting perspective on Kimberly Guilfoyle’s comment about storming the beaches of Normandy to defeat communism. Initially I thought she was just stupid like the rest of the Trump family, but it might be something more nefarious. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-19-2024Part of that storyline requires rewriting not just the recent past, but our history. At the convention last night, Donald Trump Jr.’s fiancée, Kimberly Guilfoyle, said: “It is no wonder that the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy and faced down communism sadly say they don’t recognize our country anymore.” But the Allied soldiers in World War II were not fighting communism. They were fighting fascism. The three great Allied powers were Great Britain, the United States, and the communist Soviet Union. It might be that Guilfoyle misspoke, or that she doesn’t know even the most basic facts of our history. Or it might be that by rewriting that history to put America on the side of the fascists, people like Guilfoyle hope to make that alliance more palatable to MAGA followers today. With the way they throw around words like fascist, communist, marxist and any other term that they think will scare people, I don’t really think they understand what any of them mean. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 20, 2024 19:30:09 GMT
^^^^...Nope, just that we are it!...^^^^
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 21, 2024 2:15:50 GMT
This sums up Trump's speech really well, only leaving out the details that it was really boring, people were falling asleep and it was full of lies. chaotic and corruptEric Swalwell @ericswalwell
Want to know the simple truth about Trump’s RNC speech? For the first 12 minutes you heard what a speechwriter thought Americans wanted to hear. For the next 80 minutes you heard what a chaotic and corrupt madman really thinks. |
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