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Post by Merge on Jul 21, 2024 21:59:08 GMT
As much as I hate to say it, this is true. There is no way a woman, a gay person, or a minority can win this election. Frankly, I think we're screwed no matter who gets the nomination. Wait a minute. Isn’t the Democratic Party the inclusive party? All are welcome, men, women, white, people of color, straight & gay. If that is true then Harris-Buttigieg would be a good representative of the Democratic Party and what it stands for. Right? Besides these 2 being a black woman and a gay white man they both are wicked smart and I want to see them wipe the floor with the convicted felon and the idiot in a debate The party is inclusive, but we have to pander to the so-called independents in desperate hope of winning their votes. |
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Post by mom2jnk on Jul 21, 2024 22:00:08 GMT
As much as I hate to say it, this is true. There is no way a woman, a gay person, or a minority can win this election. Frankly, I think we're screwed no matter who gets the nomination. Wait a minute. Isn’t the Democratic Party the inclusive party? All are welcome, men, women, white, people of color, straight & gay. If that is true then Harris-Buttigieg would be a good representative of the Democratic Party and what it stands for. Right? Besides these 2 being a black woman and a gay white man they both are wicked smart and I want to see them wipe the floor with the convicted felon and the idiot in a debate They are both wicked smart, and he is particularly sharp in any situation I have seen, but the Dems need to act strategically. Buttigieg from deep red Indiana doesn't bring us any swing states. And we can't afford to lose Mark Kelly in the Senate. We need a state governor who can bring us swing states like Beshear in KY. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 21, 2024 22:03:46 GMT
I love Pete, and would happily vote for him. But the names that I have seen the most today have been Mark Kelly and Andy Beshear. If Harris wins, I hope that Pete will be in the Cabinet. There is no better attack dog, and he does it with a smile.
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Post by pilcas on Jul 21, 2024 22:08:39 GMT
I would love Buttigieg but it is not a good idea.
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Post by hopemax on Jul 21, 2024 22:12:51 GMT
The name I think I like the most for getting votes (not necessarily qualifications) is Mark Kelly. By being a former astronaut, I think he has the most built in name recognition. Even if people don't know his name, if you tell them, "He's the astronaut who got into politics after his wife got shot," I think more people will know who it is and have a positive opinion on his character, vs Gov of Pennsylvania, Kentucky, etc.
Which then brings up the replacement for his Senate seat. This is what a quick Google says about that
AZ is a state where the Gov must appoint a person from the same party.
If it's less than 150 days before the next primary election (which we are), the appointment will serve until the 2nd general election (Nov 2026). So the replacement would serve until January 2027.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 21, 2024 22:18:27 GMT
Truthfully I think Gabby Giffords would have a comment or two about it..
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 22:22:24 GMT
How is he too controversial? You live in California, you've heard all the talk against him. He is "slimy", he is elitist, he is a socialist, he hasn't fixed the homeless problem, he passed the bill that schools don't have to out kids who want to change their gender, etc. But, it would be interesting to see Guilfoyle's reaction if he ever did make it to the White House.  Years ago I was walking through the Embarcadero Center on my way to my office in the SF Financial District. I passed the same homeless people everyday. And it bothered me that in this country we had homeless people. On this particular day I thought if I could come up with way to fix this problem I would run for office. Well here it is 50 years later and I couldn’t come up with a plan. And over the years much smarter folks than myself have tried. But here we are. It’s not like the officials haven’t spent money trying. In my own county the state gave it $18M for the homeless. As soon as that money showed up so did the keystone cops showed up. What a mess. But hey, if you can come up with a plan that deals with these folks civil rights and the NIMBY crowd please share it. He’s slimy, an elitist & a socialist? Seriously? |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 21, 2024 22:28:49 GMT
My head is spinning with all of the possibilities. Whoever they pick, I hope it's the winning ticket. And because democracy is on the line, that's really all that matters. I really like all of the choices that you all have mentioned. Now what makes the stronger ticket? There are a lot of women haters that wouldn't vote for an all-female ticket. There are also a lot of gay haters that wouldn't vote for a gay vice president. I long for a day when those things won't matter. Idk it seems like some big donors just took a shot at democracy by disregarding the people that voted in the primaries. I don’t want Trump winning but I also don’t want these donors getting rewarded by throwing their weight around. They shit all over Biden. |
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Post by katlady on Jul 21, 2024 22:32:03 GMT
He’s slimy, an elitist & a socialist? Seriously? That is what people say about him. And yes, people are upset he hasn't solved the homeless problem, even though no one has been able to. What I mentioned in the post you quoted are things that people who don't like him say about him. It is what is out there about him. It is what FoxNews says about him. And while we don't have to worry about the Trump supporting Republicans, there are middle of the road Republicans who don't like Trump. And when they hear this about Newsom, that influences them too. Heck, there are probably Democrats who don't like Newsom either. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2024 22:32:14 GMT
That is my choice. Yours? not for me. This ticket will not win and I need for Trump to lose |
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 21, 2024 22:37:14 GMT
I am not up-to-date on potential candidates, but no to Harris-Buttigieg. Also no to two females, and no to two minorities, although a Hispanic may be ok. In my opinion, it has to be a white CIS male. Gavin Newsom No thank you. |
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Post by ellen on Jul 21, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
Harris/Kelly
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 22:41:25 GMT
Quit referring to any Democrat as an elitist. The very fact that they are a member of the Democratic Party means they are anything but an elitist. That is just the Republican Party controlling the narrative and actually describing their own party members.
adjective. (of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society: elitist country clubbers who have theirs and don't care about anybody else.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 22:42:09 GMT
That is my choice. Yours? not for me. This ticket will not win and I need for Trump to lose Then who do you suggest? |
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 21, 2024 22:46:13 GMT
Quit referring to any Democrat as an elitist. The very fact that they are a member of the Democratic Party means they are anything but an elitist. That is just the Republican Party controlling the narrative and actually describing their own party members. adjective. (of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society: elitist country clubbers who have theirs and don't care about anybody else.I think Newsome fits the "elitist" description. He is related to Pelosi. He's a lifetime politician. He will tell people what they want to hear and do the exact opposite. I don't trust him. If there's a ticket with him, I think many people will vote against it simply because of the mess CA is in. We have businesses leaving due to laws being passed. We have very expensive housing and gas and food and everything else because we have so many social programs but yet we have a huge homeless problem. Something isn't working. |
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Post by katlady on Jul 21, 2024 22:54:18 GMT
Very distant relationship. His aunt was once married to Pelosi's brother-in-law. Newsom is not related by blood to Nancy Pelosi. |
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Post by peabay on Jul 21, 2024 22:55:26 GMT
My head is spinning with all of the possibilities. Whoever they pick, I hope it's the winning ticket. And because democracy is on the line, that's really all that matters. I really like all of the choices that you all have mentioned. Now what makes the stronger ticket? There are a lot of women haters that wouldn't vote for an all-female ticket. There are also a lot of gay haters that wouldn't vote for a gay vice president. I long for a day when those things won't matter. Idk it seems like some big donors just took a shot at democracy by disregarding the people that voted in the primaries. I don’t want Trump winning but I also don’t want these donors getting rewarded by throwing their weight around. They shit all over Biden. I just don't agree with this. He was not competent to continue in the race. He could not do another 4 years. I don't think he could do another year. |
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Post by huskergal on Jul 21, 2024 22:59:48 GMT
That is my choice. Yours? 100% agree. |
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Post by huskergal on Jul 21, 2024 23:01:46 GMT
Who is Shapiro and what specifically has he done that would want to make me vote for him over Pete Buttigieg? Governor of Pennsylvania. Popular, well liked, a moderate and could win PA which is really key to November. He handled the shooting very respectfully and his response after the I 95 bridge collapse was impressive. I like Pete and hope he runs in 2028 or 2032, but right now, I think Shapiro has the potential to add more to the ticket. Strategically it is probably a wise move. |
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Post by peasapie on Jul 21, 2024 23:05:14 GMT
Harris-Shapiro (Josh, from PA, a swing state they must win.)
i don’t think Pete had a good run in transportation.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 21, 2024 23:06:10 GMT
I love Sec. Buttigieg, but I think his time is in 4 years.
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Post by lisae on Jul 21, 2024 23:09:43 GMT
Harris/Kelly or Harris/Beshears
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Post by ntsf on Jul 21, 2024 23:13:30 GMT
I like newsom .. having seen him up close as my mayor and governor and speaker at my kid's high school graduation (he was saying.. it is the time for women!!! at that point all heads of dept in city were women).
but we need a straight white male.. I would go with a governor..from the midwest or east coast.
newsom grew up the child of a single mom.. without a lot of money.. had rich friends and a dad who had money and was a judge.
I've seen kamala too.. not as big as fan, but she will be ok..
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Post by mom on Jul 21, 2024 23:14:07 GMT
My head is spinning with all of the possibilities. Whoever they pick, I hope it's the winning ticket. And because democracy is on the line, that's really all that matters. I really like all of the choices that you all have mentioned. Now what makes the stronger ticket? There are a lot of women haters that wouldn't vote for an all-female ticket. There are also a lot of gay haters that wouldn't vote for a gay vice president. I long for a day when those things won't matter. Idk it seems like some big donors just took a shot at democracy by disregarding the people that voted in the primaries. I don’t want Trump winning but I also don’t want these donors getting rewarded by throwing their weight around. They shit all over Biden. I see what you are saying. Yes, it does suck that so many voters are being disregarded. BUT - and it's a huge BUT - Biden has not been ok for awhile now. He just wasn't. Yes, he was having a good day every now and then, but he is not up to serving 4 years. Hell, I doubt he would make it one year into his second term. He just couldn't. And our country needs stability and that wasn't going to happen as long as Biden was teeter tottering with 'does he have dementia' or not. Im not saying he was a bad man or that he didn't have good intentions. But physically and mentally, he's wore out. Did the big donors have a bunch to do with this? Yes. But those same donors are the ones who helped him get this far in politics. Biden has already burned through 90+% of his raised money from June already. George Clooney, who has raised millions for Biden, said something has changed with Biden. I am sure Clooney did not say that lightly either so it must be pretty obvious that a huge decline has happened. The DNC is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place with Biden waiting so long to drop out. If he had stayed, he wasn't going to win and if he did, the DNC was going to go broke getting him to the finish line. |
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Post by mom on Jul 21, 2024 23:18:43 GMT
I really like Pete but I don't think it's his time. He needs some distance from some of the fails as Transportation Secretary.
Right now, I would like Harris/Kelly.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 23:27:42 GMT
Harris-Shapiro (Josh, from PA, a swing state they must win.) i don’t think Pete had a good run in transportation. Why do you think he didn’t have a good run in transportation? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2024 23:28:20 GMT
I really like Pete but I don't think it's his time. He needs some distance from some of the fails as Transportation Secretary. Right now, I would like Harris/Kelly. What fails? |
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Post by mom on Jul 21, 2024 23:39:46 GMT
I really like Pete but I don't think it's his time. He needs some distance from some of the fails as Transportation Secretary. Right now, I would like Harris/Kelly. What fails? Well, many feel like he failed the Ohio train derailment situation when he was silent for over 10 days about it. When members of his own party have chimed in, telling him to do his job, you have a problem. Then there is the supply chain issues he wasn't around for when he was on parental leave. Apparently he was declining meetings about it even though he had told everyone he'd be around for any major issues. Thats a major problem when you are the Transportation Secretary. Sure he deserved paternity leave but that was an actual crisis that needed attention and he wasn't willing to take meetings. The most frequent comment I hear is that he is never around when you need him. I like him and think he will make a good VP one day. But he needs some distance. |
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Post by peasquared on Jul 21, 2024 23:53:39 GMT
About the primaries, so many nominations are basically locked up before many people even get a chance to vote as it is now.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 21, 2024 23:59:57 GMT
My head is spinning with all of the possibilities. Whoever they pick, I hope it's the winning ticket. And because democracy is on the line, that's really all that matters. I really like all of the choices that you all have mentioned. Now what makes the stronger ticket? There are a lot of women haters that wouldn't vote for an all-female ticket. There are also a lot of gay haters that wouldn't vote for a gay vice president. I long for a day when those things won't matter. Idk it seems like some big donors just took a shot at democracy by disregarding the people that voted in the primaries. I don’t want Trump winning but I also don’t want these donors getting rewarded by throwing their weight around. They shit all over Biden. There was no other option in the primary, so no one was "disregarded". That being said, we need to take coporations, lobbyists, and wealthy people out of the fundraising equation. Right after we dump the electoral college. |
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