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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2024 20:33:08 GMT
I figured this was the proper place to post this vent and ask a question.
So my friends who were anti Biden and were going to either 1. Not vote or 2. Vote for some random person (nor Republican, not Democrat) are now anti Harris.
They post stuff about when she put people in jail, didn't speak up about what Israel is doing, how she forced black families apart, etc etc etc.
So they still don't want to vote Democrat. They'd rather waste their vote (which to me is one vote for Trump) or not vote.
Holy crap. No one president is going to be all and everything you want. No one is perfect. And why do they not see or comprehend that not voting or a stupid vote is a vote for Trump. How do they want him in office?
Ugh!!
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2024 20:34:05 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?!
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 23, 2024 20:48:08 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! I don't have any friends who don't see the risk that Trump poses, so this might not be accurate. My first thought is that these are people who are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump but don't want to say that out loud. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 23, 2024 20:51:36 GMT
He gets it and is a really good surrogate for her. If I had a loved one in politics and heard the misogynistic, racist things they're saying about Harris, (DEI hire, crazy childless cat lady etc) I would have a difficult time reigning in my emotions. 2nd gentlemanYashar Ali @yashar
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Douglas Emhoff was asked what he thinks about attacks on his wife, Vice-President Kamala Harris, by former President Trump.
Emhoff: “That’s all he’s got?”
Emhoff goes onto say: “You heard the Vice President yesterday making the case against Donald Trump. Very clearly laid out the case, directly and in a compelling fashion. But she also laid out a vision for the future. A vision where there's freedom. Where we're not having to talk about these issues of today in this post Dobbs Hellscape that Donald Trump created.”
“…We're gonna prosecute the case against Donald Trump and his lies, his gaslighting, during COVID, the dereliction of duty, inciting an insurrection and all those other things.”
“We're gonna make that very clear. She's gonna be able to make that case. We’re also gonna move on from this type of environment, this Dobbs, where freedoms are taken away, where autonomy is taken away. Where they're telling you, you can't read this book. They're telling you you can't learn these facts. They're telling you can't vote. All that is gonna change and it must change. You see the enthusiasm, you see the excitement. You saw the money raised, you saw the party coalesce. You saw the broad base of support that she had in just one or two days because she's talking about an America that we all have a place in. And that's why Kamala Harris, who I'm so proud of, I'm also so proud of the president. I got choked up yesterday in Wilmington when he called in. All of us did. What a great man. Love Joe Biden. But, Kamala Harris has united the party. She's gonna unite the country. She’s gonna earn this nomination. You see that happening and she's gonna win this election.” |
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Post by Rhondito on Jul 23, 2024 20:54:56 GMT
I didn't know where all the childless cat lady references were coming from... wow.
He really f*cked up with that one.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 23, 2024 21:26:10 GMT
BTW: She has earned the number of delegates needed for her nomination! Yay. That was fast. I’m very happy to vote for a highly qualified candidate. I do still have concern over the misogynistic section of our voting public, but I keep telling myself they are mostly MAGAts anyway. Right? 🤞🏻 |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2024 21:28:32 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! I don't have any friends who don't see the risk that Trump poses, so this might not be accurate. My first thought is that these are people who are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump but don't want to say that out loud. I would agree to this thought BUT they are very anti Trump. They run community organizations for LGBTQ+, unhoused, moms, push for narcan training, fight local and southern CA far right extremists. They are against anything that takes down any rights of anyone. They are very anti Israel and fully support Palestine. They'd rather not vote than vote to give more aide to Israel. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 23, 2024 21:31:01 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! I mean, honestly, if Project 2025 doesn't get them to give their vote to our country, I'm not sure what could? Acknowledge that, by no means, is Harris perfect, but we are not just facing Trump. We are facing Trump being backed up billionaires with their own agendas - including El*n with his $45 million / month contribution who just said his trans child is "dead" to him. We are facing The Heritage Foundation who have been actively hiring since TFG got booted out of the White House and plan to put their "loyalists" in place. We are fighting for possibly 2-3 SCOTUS positions. All on top of losing our rights as women, POC, LGBTQIA+, and non-MAGA Christians. |
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Post by hopemax on Jul 23, 2024 21:38:16 GMT
I don't have any friends who don't see the risk that Trump poses, so this might not be accurate. My first thought is that these are people who are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump but don't want to say that out loud. I would agree to this thought BUT they are very anti Trump. They run community organizations for LGBTQ+, unhoused, moms, push for narcan training, fight local and southern CA far right extremists. They are against anything that takes down any rights of anyone. They are very anti Israel and fully support Palestine. They'd rather not vote than vote to give more aide to Israel. Honestly, I wouldn't work on them, and play up the "Good thing you live in the state of CA, where you can be more cavalier about the protection of women's rights." Because it doesn't actually sound they are "pro rights." Only "pro-rights if I personally don't have to do anything I don't want to do." We ask so much of some portion of our population... military, health care workers, first responders, teachers, and so on, where they might find themselves in a position of compromising between their personal beliefs and ethics and what their job requires of them. Too bad so many citizens can't step up and do the same by checking a simple box in the privacy of the voting booth. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2024 21:47:17 GMT
I would agree to this thought BUT they are very anti Trump. They run community organizations for LGBTQ+, unhoused, moms, push for narcan training, fight local and southern CA far right extremists. They are against anything that takes down any rights of anyone. They are very anti Israel and fully support Palestine. They'd rather not vote than vote to give more aide to Israel. Honestly, I wouldn't work on them, and play up the "Good thing you live in the state of CA, where you can be more cavalier about the protection of women's rights." Because it doesn't actually sound they are "pro rights." Only "pro-rights if I personally don't have to do anything I don't want to do." We ask so much of some portion of our population... military, health care workers, first responders, teachers, and so on, where they might find themselves in a position of compromising between their personal beliefs and ethics and what their job requires of them. Too bad so many citizens can't step up and do the same by checking a simple box in the privacy of the voting booth. Exactly this |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 23, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
As well as pro rights if it is the rights I believe in. And pro choice if it is the same choice I would make.
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Post by papersilly on Jul 23, 2024 22:00:44 GMT
i listened to her speech today in Milwaukee. great speech, very rallying, laid out her mission for what she wants to do in her presidency. i think she's off to a good start. however, the elephant in the room was not addressed. immigration. it appears to be her most vulnerable area and nothing was said about it today. she can't avoid it forever and we will have to see what her approach to that issue is.
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Post by ellen on Jul 23, 2024 22:04:46 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! My former son-in-law votes for third parties. He will go on and on about how a particular candidate doesn’t match up with his viewpoint perfectly on some issue that most people don’t get too worked up about. He likes to think he is smarter than everyone else. Nothing I could have said would have made a difference. My advice is to let them throw away their vote - it’s pretty much the equivalent of not voting at all. Have discussions with people who can be moved. |
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Post by jill8909 on Jul 23, 2024 22:21:00 GMT
they were closet trump voters.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2024 22:22:09 GMT
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Post by Linda on Jul 23, 2024 22:24:00 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! dh feels that the democrats are now a greater threat to democracy by bypassing voters choice (Biden) and giving the delegates to Harris. And he doesn't like Harris because the only job she had as VP was immigration and the border is a bigger mess now. He won't vote for Trump but he's looking 3rd party (as he was when Biden was running). Sigh... all this to say I sympathise |
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2024 22:29:16 GMT
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2024 22:30:29 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! dh feels that the democrats are now a greater threat to democracy by bypassing voters choice (Biden) and giving the delegates to Harris. And he doesn't like Harris because the only job she had as VP was immigration and the border is a bigger mess now. He won't vote for Trump but he's looking 3rd party (as he was when Biden was running). Sigh... all this to say I sympathise Sorry, I just posted this but I'll put it here again in case you are willing to share with your husband. When people talk about the border, be sure to point out that (a) border crossings have taken a nosedive this year and (b) this is at least in part because of VP Harris' leadership of a public/private partnership that has invested over $5B in northern Central America so far, addressing the root cause of mass migration rather than putting a bandaid on it at our border. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/25/fact-sheet-vice-president-harris-announces-public-private-partnership-has-generated-more-than-5-2-billion-in-private-sector-commitments-for-northern-central-america/ |
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Post by TXMary on Jul 23, 2024 22:54:59 GMT
I'm a childless cat woman. JD Vance can fuck right off.
And I'm so buying that coffee cup that was linked in this thread.
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Post by jill8909 on Jul 23, 2024 22:56:56 GMT
i listened to her speech today in Milwaukee. great speech, very rallying, laid out her mission for what she wants to do in her presidency. i think she's off to a good start. however, the elephant in the room was not addressed. immigration. it appears to be her most vulnerable area and nothing was said about it today. she can't avoid it forever and we will have to see what her approach to that issue is. I had the same reaction. It's a mistake to avoid it. Hit it head on. Learn from Trump and either deny the problem, lie, or just say when we tried to fix it trump stood in the way. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 23, 2024 23:09:17 GMT
hey run community organizations for LGBTQ+, unhoused, moms, push for narcan training, fight local and southern CA far right extremists. I wanted to post this very specific thing from P25 that your friends would be interested in and can verify on their own: Page 451 “The only valid family is a working father married to a stay-at-home mother and their children.” |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 23, 2024 23:09:56 GMT
I'm a childless cat woman. JD Vance can fuck right off. And I'm so buying that coffee cup that was linked in this thread. Oh, yay! I'm lucky because I can purchase from her online or just run over to her shop. >.< |
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 23, 2024 23:14:43 GMT
Forgot my question - anyone else have friends saying this? Is there anything to be said to get through their heads that this is serious? And that the entire nation and women here are at risk?! I haven't heard anyone in my circle of friends say this. What I have seen on social media is the racists whipping themselves into a frenzy over the thought of a black woman running the country. I think Democrats are excited about her. Young people seem to really be excited about her as well. As for how to respond, are they saying they won't vote for her because they think she doesn't support Palestine? Do they seriously think Trump cares? The man that wanted to ban Muslims from entering the country? I would really just try to explain all the Project 2025 talking points and say only Kamala Haris stands between us and Project 2025. |
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Post by sideways on Jul 23, 2024 23:15:28 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 23, 2024 23:32:22 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 24, 2024 0:08:03 GMT
UPDATE on Ogles impeachment of Harris. Now Ogles is suggesting delaying the House August break for the impeachment of Harris. He has filed the articles of impeachment .. When Beavers asked Ogles about the impending August recess when lawmakers are scheduled to be out of town for the next month, the Tennessee Republican pushed back, saying: "I have a problem with that. I think we have Appropriations bills to address and we need to impeach the vice president." "If our work isn't done, why would we leave?" Ogles added. www.rawstory.com/andy-ogles-2668800655/ |
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Post by Just T on Jul 24, 2024 0:46:26 GMT
Now Ogles is suggesting delaying the House August break for the impeachment of Harris. He has filed the articles of impeachment .. When Beavers asked Ogles about the impending August recess when lawmakers are scheduled to be out of town for the next month, the Tennessee Republican pushed back, saying: "I have a problem with that. I think we have Appropriations bills to address and we need to impeach the vice president." "If our work isn't done, why would we leave?" Ogles added. www.rawstory.com/andy-ogles-2668800655/WTAF? IMPEACHMENT? I just can't with these a$$hole Republicans anymore. What a crock. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 24, 2024 0:55:45 GMT
i listened to her speech today in Milwaukee. great speech, very rallying, laid out her mission for what she wants to do in her presidency. i think she's off to a good start. however, the elephant in the room was not addressed. immigration. it appears to be her most vulnerable area and nothing was said about it today. she can't avoid it forever and we will have to see what her approach to that issue is. I had the same reaction. It's a mistake to avoid it. Hit it head on. Learn from Trump and either deny the problem, lie, or just say when we tried to fix it trump stood in the way. But then they say well he did something but waited too long and should have just reimplemented what TFG did not realizing that there were court orders to stop the things he was doing. It is congress’s job to do something. I hope that the bill that was created will pass next year or even a better bill. Immigration is still going to be an issue and it will need to be addressed. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jul 24, 2024 0:57:18 GMT
Now Ogles is suggesting delaying the House August break for the impeachment of Harris. He has filed the articles of impeachment .. When Beavers asked Ogles about the impending August recess when lawmakers are scheduled to be out of town for the next month, the Tennessee Republican pushed back, saying: "I have a problem with that. I think we have Appropriations bills to address and we need to impeach the vice president." "If our work isn't done, why would we leave?" Ogles added. www.rawstory.com/andy-ogles-2668800655/It sure hasn’t stopped them before. |
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Post by ntsf on Jul 24, 2024 1:04:21 GMT
my kid feels this way about harris.. all the decisions made as a da, gaza.. she is left of left. I just listen.
she does vote every election. whatever. my goal was always to get my kids to vote.. make up your own mind
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