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Post by silverlining on Aug 6, 2024 17:20:47 GMT
It doesn't matter which one she chose, people would have immediately found whatever they could that happened in his/her state to tie to them. That's how the game is played. Trump supporters in PA don't like Shapiro and in AZ they're unhappy with Kelly.
I think he's a good choice who will appeal to many undecided voters especially those in the Midwest and rural areas. He's somehow folksy and an aggressive campaigner at the same time.
Quite honestly, anyone who believes that Biden was responsible for world-wide inflation that started during the Trump term is not going to change their mind based on the VP choice.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 6, 2024 17:26:49 GMT
I don’t think that every child in MN should get free breakfast and lunch. i respectfully disagree. i think every child in this country should get free breakfast and lunch. for some, it will be their only meals for the day and being hungry is not an obstacle they need for better learning and growing. the budget for a nationwide free lunch program would be miniscule in comparison to what we spend on our military budget, foreign aid, and tax incentives and breaks to corporations.
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Post by huskergal on Aug 6, 2024 17:27:11 GMT
I am fine with this pick. He brings a lot of good qualities to the ticket that may attract conservatives who don't like Trump.
On the feeding children issue. It isn't the child's fault if their parents can't pay for lunch or aren't willing to pay for lunch. Remove the stigma and offer a free lunch to everyone. As someone else said, most people who can afford to pay for their children's lunches aren't probably taking advantage of the situation.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Aug 6, 2024 17:32:05 GMT
Lord, listening to Vance talk right now. That man is an idiot. Why they give him air time I have no idea. He is going on about how Walz is a political extremist. Says he looks forward to debating him. I'm okay with the media giving Vance air time. It's important people know he's an idiot and a political extremist.
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Post by malibou on Aug 6, 2024 17:46:02 GMT
Another good one. I'm trying to be less profane, cause I'm pretty bad. I need my alternatives to be a bit unusual so I feel like it’s heard. 😈 LOL! I used to be really, REALLY bad. And then I had a kid. Yeah, had to definitely tone it down. My friend’s grandma used to exclaim, “Cheese and Rice!” 🤣 I have a kid too. Though having a kid didn't help me. 😳 My dh has mighty colourful language as well. We opted to try the "Do as I say not as I do" plan. We had some hilarious success with that plan. We let ds have the word crap as his swear word and talked to him extensively about where and who was appropriate etc. The child proceeded to makeup new words using crap as the base. Think Holy Crapoly, Craptastic, Craparoni. And now ds23 is just as profane as we are. 😖 I'm trying to clean up now because my 88 year old mother, whom I've spent a load of time with this year, has been dropping f-bombs and my siblings are blaming me. 😈 They can fuck off, but I'm trying to do better in front of my mom.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 6, 2024 17:49:38 GMT
Walz is a genuine, good person. For people who want to talk about blowing through the surplus, we still have a surplus and the money that was spent had to go through the legislature. IIRC the Republicans at the time wanted to just rebate all of it which would have been a huge mistake. A lot of money has been going into improving our infrastructure and I have no problem with that. He has also directed more money into the schools and I’m all for that too. MN was recently rated as one of the best states to raise kids and that hasn’t happened by accident. I don’t have any problems with our Lt. Governor taking over but I still hate to see Walz go. I think he’s done a lot of good things for our state. Yes, but the republicans have a huge problem with this, or even people on the fence, being what the economy was. It’s our money. The tax payers money and a lot of people think it should come back to us when things are so expensive so relieve our personal finances. And then people would bitch about the poor infrastructure and the schools.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 6, 2024 17:51:39 GMT
I was hoping for Shapiro, but I did have a few concerns about him. Walz seems like a great choice. He’s down to earth, likeabke, personable, relatable etc I was until I learned that having someone from a swing state doesnt guarantee that state. His position on Israel was going to be an issue for a significant portion of democrats. And the republicans would have used his being Jewish to scare their base.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 6, 2024 17:52:19 GMT
I don’t think that every child in MN should get free breakfast and lunch. i respectfully disagree. i think every child in this country should get free breakfast and lunch. for some, it will be their only meals for the day and being hungry is not an obstacle they need for better learning and growing. the budget for a nationwide free lunch program would be miniscule in comparison to what we spend on our military budget, foreign aid, and tax incentives and breaks to corporations. When I was in elementary school, I served lunch in our school cafeteria because it made it so that I got reduced-price lunch. My family didn’t quite qualify for free lunch. We couldn’t afford school lunch either, however. We ran out of money for food at the end of every month. That was partly because our household income was low enough that we would have qualified for free lunch if I had a sibling. I didn’t. It was also because my father had a substance use disorder and spent money we didn’t have on alcohol and drugs. The fact that he shouldn’t have done that didn’t feed me, however. It is also the case that my father had PTSD from two tours of active duty in the Korean War. He served his country. It left him a broken man. It left me counting the number of tater tots I got at lunch and hoping because I was serving the food that I would have first crack at any extra. I am sure I am not the only person with a story like this. I am thankful for governments making sure kids get fed. Even kids who don’t seem “poor,” but who don’t get dinner the day before payday.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 6, 2024 17:53:05 GMT
He's now VP candidate. I'm a bit surprised. I thought it would be Andy Beshar, and hoped it would be Scott Kelly. My husband will have to take a day or two to get over his disappointment over it not being Scott Kelly as well. It was pretty clear early on that it likely wouldnt be Kelly.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 6, 2024 17:57:48 GMT
See, this is where the republicans think we are nuts with money and the economy. Do you know the whole story behind why she is saying this? There are several school districts in MN, public schools, plus private, that are very well off. The live in mansions on the lake. Drive BMWs to school. That's what I'm sure she is talking about. They don't think those school districts should also get free lunches. But I feel it would be hard for them to have school lunches for every school district but a few. I don't give a flying fuck where they live or how much THE PARENTS make. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. Giving a CHILD access to free breakfast and lunch should be universally applauded. How anyone can think it's OK to deny a child access to food is horrifying. AND a big reason they have universal access is so that those without aren't teased or out down or get embarrassed to access the free food. Having equal access to it stops the better than them syndrome.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 6, 2024 17:59:23 GMT
And just because parents make x amount of money doesn't mean crap. They could be in huge debt and struggling on the inside while they show off on the outside.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 6, 2024 18:01:54 GMT
Yes, but the republicans have a huge problem with this, or even people on the fence, being what the economy was. It’s our money. The tax payers money and a lot of people think it should come back to us when things are so expensive so relieve our personal finances. And then people would bitch about the poor infrastructure and the schools. Oh, absolutely. My hometown is near the ND/SD borders, I grew up there, and most republicans here always threaten to move to one of the Dakotas, because it's so much cheaper, the taxes, etc. I just tell them, yea, but have you seen the roads? bridges? There's a reason no one lives there.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 6, 2024 18:03:19 GMT
And just because parents make x amount of money doesn't mean crap. They could be in huge debt and struggling on the inside while they show off on the outside. Yea, but you are thinking that republicans would think THAT deeply about it? yea. not.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 6, 2024 18:03:36 GMT
If you give all the kids free meals it helps remove the stigma attached to it.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Aug 6, 2024 18:23:44 GMT
My dh (who will vote Harris no matter who she picked) was a little irritated that she chose Walz “who no one has heard of” instead of Kelly “who everyone has heard of”.
I told him he’ll like Walz and that likely Kelly’s Senate seat was concerning because we want to minimize potential for badness in the Senate and keep it as stable as possible. I also don’t know that everyone has heard of Kelly—we may be a little skewed living in AZ.
I’m looking forward to upcoming campaign events and am even considering going to the one in Phoenix. That’s a lot for an extreme introvert to go out into a crowd in 110+ temps! We’ll see.
I did sign up for the Women Wednesday’s for Harris calls and I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s call!
Lastly, I can’t help but add that our AZ Senator is MARK Kelly. Scott is his twin brother who was also an astronaut.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 6, 2024 18:34:32 GMT
When I was in elementary school, I served lunch in our school cafeteria because it made it so that I got reduced-price lunch. My family didn’t quite qualify for free lunch. We couldn’t afford school lunch either, however. We ran out of money for food at the end of every month. That was partly because our household income was low enough that we would have qualified for free lunch if I had a sibling. I didn’t. It was also because my father had a substance use disorder and spent money we didn’t have on alcohol and drugs. The fact that he shouldn’t have done that didn’t feed me, however. It is also the case that my father had PTSD from two tours of active duty in the Korean War. He served his country. It left him a broken man. It left me counting the number of tater tots I got at lunch and hoping because I was serving the food that I would have first crack at any extra. I am sure I am not the only person with a story like this. I am thankful for governments making sure kids get fed. Even kids who don’t seem “poor,” but who don’t get dinner the day before payday. we got free lunches from K-grade 2 because we were low income and qualified. i remember carrying this laminated card with me. no card, no eat. there was certainly a stigma to being a free lunch kid and i felt it. i remember telling my mom i "lost" my card in hopes of getting lunch money so i could avoid the awkward stares when passing the lunch lady at the register. i remember tucking that card in my shoe so other kids wouldn't see me carrying it or i could whip it out for just about all the times lunch money wasn't available. thankfully our family rose out of that. everyone is well and successful today. that "government handout" that people oppose so much kept me from being feeling lethargic from hunger. that free program allowed us to focus on learning. we went on to attend gifted and magnet programs schools and to graduate from college. it wasn't fancy food but hurray to soggy fish stick fridays, dehydrated eggs, and boxed mashed potatoes!
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Post by zztop11 on Aug 6, 2024 18:39:08 GMT
I am not saying that I don’t support Harris/Walz but once you leave the Twin Cities area (which is heavily populated blue) and get to out state MN he is very unpopular. As cindyupnorth and mom said, these are the things you are going to hear throughout the campaign. He is a good choice. My opinions about some of our social programs are just that. Doesn’t make me a bad person. I have read the responses to my comments carefully. There are some good points. I understand the other side. In full disclosure MN stopped taxing Social Security this year as part of budget cuts. Being on SS I appreciate the change. I've only lived in Minneapolis for 5 years but I also love the fact that we do not pay taxes on clothing purchases!
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Post by amom23 on Aug 6, 2024 18:40:13 GMT
And then people would bitch about the poor infrastructure and the schools. Oh, absolutely. My hometown is near the ND/SD borders, I grew up there, and most republicans here always threaten to move to one of the Dakotas, because it's so much cheaper, the taxes, etc. I just tell them, yea, but have you seen the roads? bridges? There's a reason no one lives there. Obviously you haven't been to either state recently. Our roads and bridges are just fine thank you very much.
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Post by zztop11 on Aug 6, 2024 18:41:27 GMT
If you give all the kids free meals it helps remove the stigma attached to it. So true. I was a teacher for 30 years and the kids who got "free and reduced lunches" would often be teased and bullied.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 6, 2024 18:51:19 GMT
Oh, absolutely. My hometown is near the ND/SD borders, I grew up there, and most republicans here always threaten to move to one of the Dakotas, because it's so much cheaper, the taxes, etc. I just tell them, yea, but have you seen the roads? bridges? There's a reason no one lives there. Obviously you haven't been to either state recently. Our roads and bridges are just fine thank you very much. Oh, I have been to both states often, recently. And MN's roads and bridges are much much better. Have you been to MN lately? It's nothing against those states. It's just that's what MN has spent money on. and the Dakotas not so much.
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Post by melanell on Aug 6, 2024 18:51:36 GMT
My husband will have to take a day or two to get over his disappointment over it not being Scott Kelly as well. It was pretty clear early on that it likely wouldnt be Kelly. And DH even said himself that he didn't think they'd choose Kelly, but I think a tiny piece of him was still going to hold unto the idea of someone NASA minded in the White House until it was officially announced otherwise.
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Post by ellen on Aug 6, 2024 18:58:53 GMT
I am thrilled with this pick. I really don’t care if the Republicans in Minnesota are critical about this. Haters are going to hate. Tim Walz brings a positive energy to this ticket. He is easily qualified to be the president if needed. The Kamala/Walz ticket feels good - like we maybe can break free from the MAGA meanness that is trying to control our country. There is nothing phony about Tim Walz. People are going to like him. He’s smart, funny, self-confident, and governs in a way that shows he cares about people. He is very comfortable defending his record.
This election has the potential to have a lot of fun moments brought to you by the governor of Minnesota.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 6, 2024 19:07:34 GMT
When I was in elementary school, I served lunch in our school cafeteria because it made it so that I got reduced-price lunch. My family didn’t quite qualify for free lunch. We couldn’t afford school lunch either, however. We ran out of money for food at the end of every month. That was partly because our household income was low enough that we would have qualified for free lunch if I had a sibling. I didn’t. It was also because my father had a substance use disorder and spent money we didn’t have on alcohol and drugs. The fact that he shouldn’t have done that didn’t feed me, however. It is also the case that my father had PTSD from two tours of active duty in the Korean War. He served his country. It left him a broken man. It left me counting the number of tater tots I got at lunch and hoping because I was serving the food that I would have first crack at any extra. I am sure I am not the only person with a story like this. I am thankful for governments making sure kids get fed. Even kids who don’t seem “poor,” but who don’t get dinner the day before payday. we got free lunches from K-grade 2 because we were low income and qualified. i remember carrying this laminated card with me. no card, no eat. there was certainly a stigma to being a free lunch kid and i felt it. i remember telling my mom i "lost" my card in hopes of getting lunch money so i could avoid the awkward stares when passing the lunch lady at the register. i remember tucking that card in my shoe so other kids wouldn't see me carrying it or i could whip it out for just about all the times lunch money wasn't available. thankfully our family rose out of that. everyone is well and successful today. that "government handout" that people oppose so much meant kept me from being feeling lethargic from hunger. that free program allowed us to focus on learning. we went on to attend gifted and magnet programs schools and to graduate from college. it wasn't fancy food but hurray to soggy fish stick fridays, dehydrated eggs, and boxed mashed potatoes! Yeah, I don’t talk a huge amount about my upbringing because I was 100% raised to keep everything a secret, but my ability to get out of my upbringing was thanks to things like this. Academic magnet programs, Pell grants, student loans, a scholarship from my father’s union. I attended Ivy League schools and am a professor now because a lot of people and programs gave me a hand when I was too young to be in charge of my own future. It is why I am a Democrat and why I am endlessly thankful to have been treated like a neighbor, not an other.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Aug 6, 2024 19:10:06 GMT
I was hoping for Shapiro, but I did have a few concerns about him. Walz seems like a great choice. He’s down to earth, likeabke, personable, relatable etc I was until I learned that having someone from a swing state doesnt guarantee that state. His position on Israel was going to be an issue for a significant portion of democrats. And the republicans would have used his being Jewish to scare their base. Not only the democrats, but the younger generation has very strong feelings about this issue, and don't really like his stance on it.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 6, 2024 19:12:35 GMT
Obviously you haven't been to either state recently. Our roads and bridges are just fine thank you very much. Oh, I have been to both states often, recently. And MN's roads and bridges are much much better. Have you been to MN lately? It's nothing against those states. It's just that's what MN has spent money on. and the Dakotas not so much. Hmm....I suggest you stick to talking points you actually know something about.
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Post by ellen on Aug 6, 2024 20:27:56 GMT
Oh, I have been to both states often, recently. And MN's roads and bridges are much much better. Have you been to MN lately? It's nothing against those states. It's just that's what MN has spent money on. and the Dakotas not so much. Hmm....I suggest you stick to talking points you actually know something about. It’s good that there is now a clinic providing abortion services across the river in Minnesota. We’re looking out for the health needs of women in the Dakotas. We’re a good neighbor. As someone who writes out checks to NDSU, I also think ND is a good neighbor.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2024 21:02:41 GMT
So, my grandkids who go to school in one of the richest school districts in the state get free lunch and breakfast even though their parents can afford to pay. I think it should be free to ALL CHILDREN who NEED it. I am sorry but I can’t support spending money on parts of a program where it is not needed. Spend that money on lower class size, increased para’s in classrooms or school upkeep. Minnesota has codified legal abortion. We are the only state between WI, IA, ND,SD where a woman can get a safe abortion. There is no forced birth. Parents aren't always willing to apply. That is why free lunches and breakfast for all is important. I don't think people that don't qualify abuse it. Those kids usually have beautiful packed lunches with grapes cut in half, an assortment of meats and cheeses, etc. I work in a school and there are clearly families who would qualify who don't apply for a myriad of reasons. I have bought many lunches over the years to supplement kids who had just two slices of bread in their lunch boxes. Every child should have access to free food, even if they don't need it. I would rather feed the children of 10 well to do families than have one child go hungry. Exactly this. I work in a school, too, and free breakfast and lunch for everyone during covid was a really positive change. Regrettably, it was only for a few years. Kids can't learn if they are hungry. The cost of offering meals to every kid, especially at elementary schools, is low vs the benefits of making sure that all of the students have a full belly. Even if it means feeding kids who might not qualify financially. I can't count the number of times that kids come to school and their morning was rushed and they didn't have time to eat. This happens to kids from all income levels. As others have said, during covid, breakfast and lunch was available to all of the kids, but not every kid actually choose food from the cafeteria. We still had a significant number of kids bringing lunch to school when it was free for everyone. Also, as others have said, families on paper might not qualify, but you never know what the situation is in reality. Are they helping or supporting an elderly family member? How much student debt do they have? Are they paying college tuition for other kids? Are they paying a lot in rent or towards a mortgage? Do they have medical debt, medical expenses or pay a lot for health insurance? Are there other extenuating circumstances? If you look at the actual guidelines, the income levels are relatively low. For a family of 4, their income needs to be below $57,000 to qualify for reduced lunch or 40,000 for free lunch. In some areas of the country that might be a lot of money, but not in areas where the cost of living or housing is high. The only 2 places that have a different chart are Alaska and Hawaii. California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Mexico and Vermont also provide free lunches to all kids. There is a stigma to applying for free or reduced lunches. There are parents who would qualify but are reluctant for any number of reasons to apply - they don't want to give financial info to the school, they don't want other people to know about their financial situation, they don't want their kid to stand out, be bullied or stigmatized etc I think that's the fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are invested in making sure that everything is "fair" and willing to let kids and families go without basic needs like food, housing and medical care to make sure no one receives benefits who in their opinion doesn't deserve them. Democrats would prefer to give benefits to a broader group to ensure that everyone has their basic needs met, even if some people might not need the help.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2024 21:49:45 GMT
President ObamaBarack Obama @barackobama Like Vice President Harris, Governor Tim_Walz believes that government works to serve us. Not just some of us, but all of us. That’s what makes him an outstanding governor, and that’s what will make him an even better vice president. Michelle and I couldn’t be happier for Tim and Gwen, their family, and our country.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 6, 2024 21:53:59 GMT
really excited for both of them Lets get this doneKamala Harris @kamalaharris When I called Tim_Walz this morning to ask him to join our campaign, I shared my deep level of respect for him and the work we've done together.
We're going to unify this country and we're going to win.
Let's go get this done.
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Post by ellen on Aug 6, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
I am watching the rally in Philadelphia. Josh Shapiro just finished his speech. PA peas - wow! I have read and heard all sorts of good things. He makes me feel very good about the future of our party. I’m really hoping that people will be feeling pumped up about Tim Walz after they get to know him. Democrats in MN can hardly stand it we are so excited. We all need to be positive and pass it on! We understand the assignment!
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