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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 11, 2024 17:37:23 GMT
I love it! When he held his press conference there, I got a tshirt off of etsy that says 4 seasons landscaping "not that 4 seasons!" |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 18:23:13 GMT
No body here thinks Hannity has a brain !!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 18:26:50 GMT
One thing that really got under my skin is when he said, "She is black/not black and I hear she 'puts out'". This coming from a man who will, "grab them by the pussy". Wow, I missed that one... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 18:27:51 GMT
Great one!! They have really been good sports and keep it going!! |
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Post by naby64 on Sept 11, 2024 18:42:07 GMT
Ope, just before I left for lunch I checked FB. They are are now saying the earrings she was wearing are some Nova something or other earbuds. So she was prompted and not answering on her own. I stated yes, those are a thing but she was wearing Tiffany double hinge pearl earrings and has been shown wearing them in other, older photos. To which some numskull said "well, the journalist, if you can call her that, set up Harris and her husband. So there went impartiality" To which I answered with how much time he was allowed to talk compared to her. It was more. How many times he was allowed a rebuttal, when she wasn't. So how was that impartial? WHY?!?! Why do I try to argue with these folks?
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Post by peanutterbutter on Sept 11, 2024 18:50:49 GMT
People truly do see what they want to see. I am amazed by the comments I'm seeing from my Trump supporting family members on FB today. "She is the queen of smirk!" (this followed by several people just putting the vomit emoji) "She is such an arrogant smartass!" OMG. All Trump did throughout the entire thing was scowl and look like the Grinch while he lied almost every time he spoke. But Harris is an arrogant smartass?? I'm running out of the ability to bite my fingers to keep from getting into an argument with people who I otherwise like. It boggles the mind how people who have listened to him bully and rant and rave like a lunatic for the past 8 or so years immediately call a strong woman arrogant and a smartass and all the other things I am seeing people call her. Meanwhile I was very impressed by her ability to not bust out full on laughing every time she baited him and he fell straight for it |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 19:01:12 GMT
Ope, just before I left for lunch I checked FB. They are are now saying the earrings she was wearing are some Nova something or other earbuds. So she was prompted and not answering on her own. I stated yes, those are a thing but she was wearing Tiffany double hinge pearl earrings and has been shown wearing them in other, older photos. To which some numskull said "well, the journalist, if you can call her that, set up Harris and her husband. So there went impartiality" To which I answered with how much time he was allowed to talk compared to her. It was more. How many times he was allowed a rebuttal, when she wasn't. So how was that impartial? WHY?!?! Why do I try to argue with these folks? He spoke for 5 minutes more then she did!! He spoke 39 times She spoke 23 times |
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Post by naby64 on Sept 11, 2024 19:08:50 GMT
Ope, just before I left for lunch I checked FB. They are are now saying the earrings she was wearing are some Nova something or other earbuds. So she was prompted and not answering on her own. I stated yes, those are a thing but she was wearing Tiffany double hinge pearl earrings and has been shown wearing them in other, older photos. To which some numskull said "well, the journalist, if you can call her that, set up Harris and her husband. So there went impartiality" To which I answered with how much time he was allowed to talk compared to her. It was more. How many times he was allowed a rebuttal, when she wasn't. So how was that impartial? WHY?!?! Why do I try to argue with these folks? He spoke for 5 minutes more then she did!! He spoke 39 times She spoke 23 times I put actual minutes and seconds in the post. If I feel like venturing back in, I'll add the times compared. I am just kicking myself for even responding to a stranger. It nevers comes out to any good. And it only serves to make my blood boil even more and I am trying very hard to not allow that to happen. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 11, 2024 19:34:22 GMT
I missed this last night… Kyle Griffin… ”Trump campaign officials are upset at ABC News for fact-checking that migrants are not eating dogs in Ohio.” 😆😆😆😆 I think that might have been my favorite moment of the debate. “They’re eating dogs in Springfield!” And he heard this from his people, which is even better. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 11, 2024 19:35:35 GMT
Ope, just before I left for lunch I checked FB. They are are now saying the earrings she was wearing are some Nova something or other earbuds. So she was prompted and not answering on her own. I stated yes, those are a thing but she was wearing Tiffany double hinge pearl earrings and has been shown wearing them in other, older photos. To which some numskull said "well, the journalist, if you can call her that, set up Harris and her husband. So there went impartiality" To which I answered with how much time he was allowed to talk compared to her. It was more. How many times he was allowed a rebuttal, when she wasn't. So how was that impartial? WHY?!?! Why do I try to argue with these folks? Almost 5 minutes more. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 11, 2024 19:59:18 GMT
He can stop all world conflict with a phone call! This effing guy…. He wouldn't if he could. Like Steve Bannon, he adores chaos. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 11, 2024 20:01:57 GMT
Notice how trump won’t look at her? And she is addressing him with every speech. You see that from the guilty--they don't want to look somebody who knows the truth in the eye. |
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 11, 2024 20:31:57 GMT
The right was upset because trump got fact checked by the moderators last night.
This was what they are upset about…
Aaron Rupar…
”Here are the fact-checks that Trumpers are mad about today:
— Moms are not murdering their babies
— Migrants aren’t eating your pets
— Biden won the 2020 election”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
Well Germany fact checked TFG claiming that German energy resources are in disarray. Germany's foreign ministry Wednesday morning took a jab at the former president and Republican nominee after he claimed Berlin regretted its renewable energy infrastructure. Germany's foreign ministry Wednesday morning took a jab at the former president and Republican nominee after he claimed Berlin regretted its renewable energy infrastructure. x.com/GermanyDiplo/status/1833808396618764327You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong,” Trump said to Harris. “Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants." The German ministry denied Trump's claim. "We are shutting down – not building – coal & nuclear plants," they wrote. "Coal will be off the grid by 2038 at the latest." www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-berlin/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
A really good summary of the debate. She talks about how well Kamala and her team prepared, trolling Trump on Fox and social media with ads. And the endorsement by Taylor Swift, the childless cat lady, is huge. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-10-2024In her first answer, Harris tried to set out both her own story as a child of the middle class and how she intended to build an opportunity economy for others, lowering food and housing costs and opening the way for more small businesses. It was a lot, quickly, and she looked a little nervous.
Then Trump spoke and it was clear he was going off the rails. His first comment was to suggest Harris was lying, and then to insist that his proposed tariffs will solve everything, although he has the way tariffs work entirely backward: they are paid by the consumer, not by foreign countries. As he followed with a long list of his rally lies, Harris started to smile.
From then on, he continued to produce rally stories full of wild exaggerations and attack Harris with lies in what CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale called “a staggeringly dishonest debate performance from former president Trump.” "No major presidential candidate before Donald Trump has ever lied with this kind of frequency,” Dale said. “A remarkably large chunk of what he said tonight was just not true. This wasn't little exaggerations, political spin. A lot of his false claims were untethered to reality." As Harris spoke directly to the American people, growing stronger and stronger, Trump got wilder and angrier and told more and more crazy stories.
The debate moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis of ABC, asked solid questions and corrected the most egregious of Trump’s lies. But as he continued to interrupt and yell at Harris, they increasingly gave him leeway to do so. This meant he spoke more often and for more time than Harris; MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle reported that he spoke 39 times for a total of 41.9 minutes, to her 23 times for a total of 37.1 minutes. But the extra time did him no favors.
By the end of the evening, Harris had delivered a clear message about her hopes to move the country forward beyond years of using race to divide people who have far more in common than they have differences. She promised to develop an economy that will build small businesses and support a growing middle class, while protecting rights, including the right to make reproductive decisions without the intrusion of the state. And she showed the nation that Trump can be baited, that he lies freely and incoherently, and—perhaps crucially—that he is no longer the dominant politician in America. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 11, 2024 21:08:46 GMT
A really good summary of the debate. She talks about how well Kamala and her team prepared, trolling Trump on Fox and social media with ads. And the endorsement by Taylor Swift, the childless cat lady, is huge. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-10-2024In her first answer, Harris tried to set out both her own story as a child of the middle class and how she intended to build an opportunity economy for others, lowering food and housing costs and opening the way for more small businesses. It was a lot, quickly, and she looked a little nervous.
Then Trump spoke and it was clear he was going off the rails. His first comment was to suggest Harris was lying, and then to insist that his proposed tariffs will solve everything, although he has the way tariffs work entirely backward: they are paid by the consumer, not by foreign countries. As he followed with a long list of his rally lies, Harris started to smile.
From then on, he continued to produce rally stories full of wild exaggerations and attack Harris with lies in what CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale called “a staggeringly dishonest debate performance from former president Trump.” "No major presidential candidate before Donald Trump has ever lied with this kind of frequency,” Dale said. “A remarkably large chunk of what he said tonight was just not true. This wasn't little exaggerations, political spin. A lot of his false claims were untethered to reality." As Harris spoke directly to the American people, growing stronger and stronger, Trump got wilder and angrier and told more and more crazy stories.
The debate moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis of ABC, asked solid questions and corrected the most egregious of Trump’s lies. But as he continued to interrupt and yell at Harris, they increasingly gave him leeway to do so. This meant he spoke more often and for more time than Harris; MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle reported that he spoke 39 times for a total of 41.9 minutes, to her 23 times for a total of 37.1 minutes. But the extra time did him no favors.
By the end of the evening, Harris had delivered a clear message about her hopes to move the country forward beyond years of using race to divide people who have far more in common than they have differences. She promised to develop an economy that will build small businesses and support a growing middle class, while protecting rights, including the right to make reproductive decisions without the intrusion of the state. And she showed the nation that Trump can be baited, that he lies freely and incoherently, and—perhaps crucially—that he is no longer the dominant politician in America. Her posts during the debate were spot on as well. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 21:09:40 GMT
Debate exposed another issue that needs attention. In fact TFG meeting with Netanyahu was questioned if it was a Logan Act Violation. Now who knows he has met with Putin as well as Orban... Making all his private deals while in possession of top security documents. We are well aware that he suffers from loose lips!! Trygve Olson, a senior adviser for the never-Trump conservative group Lincoln Project, raised concerns after Trump told Americans Tuesday night that he'd seen a controversial figure since leaving the White House: Russian President Vladimir Putin."This needs to be noticed in the post-debate coverage," Olson wrote. "Reporters must ask, 'When and where did this happen, particularly given the classified documents case?'" Trump made this claim while fielding questions about his oft repeated claim that he could solve the Russia-Ukraine war and which side he'd prefer to be the victor. "I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left, because our country has gone to hell," Trump said. "I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other." While others have raised concerns that Trump violated the Logan Act — a federal law that bans private citizens from engaging in unauthorized foreign diplomacy — Olson contextualized the comment in relationship to the former president's recently dismissed Espionage Act violations case. Special counsel Jack Smith in 2023 accused Trump of hoarding classified information in his Florida social club Mar-a-Lago, where federal investigators found confidential information haphazardly stored in a ballroom, bathroom and shower, among other places. Florida Federal Judge Aileen Cannon dismissed the case in July on the grounds that the special counsel's appointment to the case by the Attorney General had been improper in a ruling against which Smith has since filed an appeal. That same month, Trump hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán at the Florida social club. At the time, John Bolton, onetime adviser to the former president, told CNN's Jim Acosta he feared Orbán was a middle man. "Is it possible that Trump is communicating to Putin through Orbán?" asked Acosta. "It's possible...Trump is communicating with him a lot of different ways," Bolton replied. "He thinks if he has a good relationship with Vladimir Putin then US/Russia relations are fine." www.rawstory.com/trump-putin-2669167965/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:10:24 GMT
regarding Trump's ridiculous claim that everyone wanted Roe overturned. www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/03/opinion/thepoint#one-of-trumps-insidious-lies-on-abortion-is-grounded-in-an-old-truthOne of Trump’s Insidious Lies on Abortion Is Grounded in an Old Truth
As the debate over the Debate rages a day later, it’s tempting to try to catalog all of the lies Donald Trump told to an audience of tens of millions of Americans. But more interesting than the fact of his lies is how he lies.
Take a look at the former president’s rambling answer on abortion and reproductive rights. Linsey Davis of ABC News corrected Trump when he claimed, falsely, that Democratic-led states allow “execution after birth.” But he followed that one up with another lie, more insidious and, in its way, more Trumpian.
“Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote,” he said.
Let’s stop right there. The first part — “every legal scholar,” whether liberal or conservative — is not only untrue but obviously so. Just look at the briefs filed at the Supreme Court in the Dobbs case, which overturned Roe v. Wade. You will find an overwhelming number of liberal scholars weighing in on the side of preserving the constitutional right to an abortion.
But as with so many of Trump’s lies, it is wrapped around a grain of truth. In this case, the grain is that some high-profile liberals once criticized Roe v. Wade. Famously, Ruth Bader Ginsburg did so before she became a Supreme Court justice, arguing that Roe was decided too quickly and too broadly.
Of course, anyone who listened to her reasoning would learn that she did not want Roe overturned. Rather she wanted it to be grounded more explicitly in the Constitution, on equal protection grounds, rather than on the right to privacy. In the 1970s, the liberal law professor John Hart Ely strongly denounced Roe, but by 2022, when Justice Samuel Alito quoted Ely in his decision overturning Roe, attitudes like that were near impossible to find on the left.
This was all part of the political and legal evolution of the debate over abortion rights, but Trump doesn’t do nuance. So he ignored the inconvenient parts of the story and never explained the nature of the objections to Roe. And he changed “some” scholars to “all,” as though through sheer maximalism — the biggest building, the smartest guy, the perfect phone call — he could lull voters into his simplistic, zero-sum view of the world.
It’s also worth noting that, contrary to Trump’s claim, I have yet to meet anyone who actually wants abortion to be decided on a state-by-state basis. Why would they? No matter where you stand on the issue, it involves profound matters of life and death, bodily autonomy and human equality. What abortion opponent is fine with a rule that lets unborn babies be killed in California but not in Kentucky? What abortion rights supporter is content with protecting women from forced birth in New York but not in Texas?
This is why we have a federal Constitution that is supreme over the states — it’s how we protect and defend the fundamental rights of all Americans, regardless of where they happen to live. One of those rights — which Americans continue to support by at least a 2-to-1 majority, even after Roe was struck down — is a woman’s right to make decisions about her own body. |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:13:24 GMT
love this little tidbit www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/11/us/harris-trump-debate-electionTrump Media plunges: Wall Street was not impressed by Mr. Trump’s debate performance, judging by the trading in shares of his social media company. Shares in the company opened sharply lower on Wednesday.
Shares of former President Donald Trump’s social media company fell 10 percent on Wednesday, closing at their lowest level since the company went public. Shares of the company, Trump Media & Technology Group, have often traded as a proxy for Trump’s presidential election prospects. In a little more than a week, Trump will be able to sell some of the 115 million shares he has in the parent company of his Truth Social site. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 21:15:04 GMT
Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. It means every person has the right to make their own choice PERIOD!!
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:17:52 GMT
Vance seems to offend people, women in particular, with every comment. Not going to win hearts and minds by insulting Taylor Swift. To his point - I agree that many entertainers, actors, actresses, professional athletes may be disconnected from financial realities that many Americans face. But, I think he could have said something without insulting her. He sounds like a child lashing out because they were not picked. www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/11/us/harris-trump-debate-electionSpeaking on Fox this afternoon, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, Trump’s running mate, said that even if many admire her music, Taylor Swift was “a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans.” |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 11, 2024 21:24:22 GMT
Debate exposed another issue that needs attention. In fact TFG meeting with Netanyahu was questioned if it was a Logan Act Violation. Now who knows he has met with Putin as well as Orban... Making all his private deals while in possession of top security documents. We are well aware that he suffers from loose lips!! Trygve Olson, a senior adviser for the never-Trump conservative group Lincoln Project, raised concerns after Trump told Americans Tuesday night that he'd seen a controversial figure since leaving the White House: Russian President Vladimir Putin."This needs to be noticed in the post-debate coverage," Olson wrote. "Reporters must ask, 'When and where did this happen, particularly given the classified documents case?'" Trump made this claim while fielding questions about his oft repeated claim that he could solve the Russia-Ukraine war and which side he'd prefer to be the victor. "I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left, because our country has gone to hell," Trump said. "I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other." While others have raised concerns that Trump violated the Logan Act — a federal law that bans private citizens from engaging in unauthorized foreign diplomacy — Olson contextualized the comment in relationship to the former president's recently dismissed Espionage Act violations case. Special counsel Jack Smith in 2023 accused Trump of hoarding classified information in his Florida social club Mar-a-Lago, where federal investigators found confidential information haphazardly stored in a ballroom, bathroom and shower, among other places. Florida Federal Judge Aileen Cannon dismissed the case in July on the grounds that the special counsel's appointment to the case by the Attorney General had been improper in a ruling against which Smith has since filed an appeal. That same month, Trump hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán at the Florida social club. At the time, John Bolton, onetime adviser to the former president, told CNN's Jim Acosta he feared Orbán was a middle man. "Is it possible that Trump is communicating to Putin through Orbán?" asked Acosta. "It's possible...Trump is communicating with him a lot of different ways," Bolton replied. "He thinks if he has a good relationship with Vladimir Putin then US/Russia relations are fine." www.rawstory.com/trump-putin-2669167965/It seems similar to the “Russia are you listening?” Comment in 2016. He said that if he won he would work out a deal to end the war in Ukraine before he even took office. |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:24:54 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 11, 2024 21:26:14 GMT
Vance seems to offend people, women in particular, with every comment. Not going to win hearts and minds by insulting Taylor Swift. To his point - I agree that many entertainers, actors, actresses, professional athletes may be disconnected from financial realities that many Americans face. But, I think he could have said something without insulting her. He sounds like a child lashing out because they were not picked. www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/11/us/harris-trump-debate-electionSpeaking on Fox this afternoon, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, Trump’s running mate, said that even if many admire her music, Taylor Swift was “a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans.” Isn’t Trump also a billionaire who is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and problems of most Americans? At least TS probably has family members who are average Americans and she grew up in a middle class average family. Trump did not. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 11, 2024 21:32:15 GMT
Isn’t Trump also a billionaire who is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and problems of most Americans? oh, but somehow his cult members think *HE* understands them... <insert the biggest eye roll ever, right here.> (maybe they think he can relate to them because of his fondness for Diet Coke and McDonalds? I dunno... that'd be the only thing I think he would have in common with any 'normal' person. |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 11, 2024 21:32:49 GMT
I like his perspective, too. Are Republicans stuck on VP Harris changing her position on fracking because they have noting else? Seems like a really weak argument, especially given how Trump and Vance changed positions. Any changes Harris made can easily be explained by saying, I've given this more consideration and my opinion changed. None of her changes have been nearly as dramatic as Vance calling Trump a threat to democracy and Hitler to now kissing his a&s. Chris Murphy |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 21:36:13 GMT
Taylor Swift truly cares about people. She is generous with her fans. She pays her employees very well, including her road crew.
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Post by Gem Girl on Sept 11, 2024 21:51:08 GMT
Isn’t Trump also a billionaire who is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and problems of most Americans? oh, but somehow his cult members think *HE* understands them... <insert the biggest eye roll ever, right here.> (maybe they think he can relate to them because of his fondness for Diet Coke and McDonalds? I dunno... that'd be the only thing I think he would have in common with any 'normal' person. They hate the same people and enjoy vulgarity. |
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 11, 2024 22:00:27 GMT
“…but they’re eating the dawgs!!” 😂😂😂
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2024 22:03:33 GMT
Rubio speaks to defend his golden idol.. thinks the hoards did not hear anything new . Well they heard about a convicted felon with little challenges. But he thinks they didn't know about the 'dogs and cats' on the Ohio menu. WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida is firmly behind former President Donald Trump, and he's dismissing any comments from the Tuesday night debate as nothing new. "I don't think voters last night heard anything they hadn't seen before," Rubio said. Raw Story noted that most Americans likely haven't heard about the right-wing dog eating conspiracy that Trump promoted during the debate, in which he falsely claimed Haitian migrants are kidnapping people's pets and eating them. "But, generally speaking," Rubio explained away. "I mean I don't think they saw or heard anything that they wouldn't see some similarity of in the past on another issue." What was new for Americans, according to Rubio, is more insights into Vice President Kamala Harris and what she supports. He complained that Harris has been in the White House for four years and hasn't done the very things she proposed. Harris has promoted the long list of accomplishments by President Joe Biden's administration and talking about her next steps. When asked about his plan, specifically on replacing the Affordable Care Act, a promise Trump has made for eight years, he said he has the "concepts of a plan." Raw Story asked about Trump going back to pushing the 2020 election lie that he won, an issue where he recently said the opposite, admitting he "lost by a whisker." When asked about it last night, Trump claimed he was being "sarcastic." ABC News moderator David Muir responded that he had heard the video and didn't hear a joke or sarcasm. But to Rubio, the so-called "Big Lie" is something Trump has "been saying for a long time," he explained. "It's not new." www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/marco-rubio-trump-debate/ |
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