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Post by gar on Oct 25, 2024 12:50:15 GMT
I think misogyny plays a big part. People think that women aren't as strong or capable of being respected as men. Even if they don't admit it. My sister is the Democratic chair of her small Iowa county and I have another sister who worked on the Biden campaign and now the Harris campaign. The older one (she is still only 35) called Kamala a "token" on two accounts last week and was saying something about "you can't put the token on the top of the ticket." I wasn't quite sure what what she was trying to say but didn't want to get into it with her where we were, but now I have been wanting to ask her more. The one who works on the campaign said that she has had women tell her (when knocking on doors or phone banking in a swing state) that they won't vote for a woman. One woman told her that while her 10ish year old granddaughter stood right next to her! Some of it is also just the same old reasons why it is not in anyone's interests to vote for Trump. They live in an alternate universe where they are ignorant to the fact that they are the ones who are being conned, not us. Politics girl had a good video recently. It's about men not voting for a woman, but I think much of it can be applied to women as well. youtu.be/C2Se5KYwvKw?si=cmqp0EqrOMzWPUJ9From the outside it does seem as though that plays a reasonably large part of the thinking for a portion of your population. Why do you think that is in a country that is so advanced in so many other ways? Obviously there are dozens and dozens of countries that have had female leaders since India and Sri Lanka in the 60s, through to New Zealand and Switzerland in the 90s, Finland, Australia, Germany, Brazil, UK .....I could go on. It's odd.
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 25, 2024 12:51:31 GMT
I think, as an old con man, Trump saw the easiest of cons. You prey on the weak. They fell for it, hook line and sinker. He cultivated his base very, very well. That is a VERY good point. Just like a cult would do. He is his own cult.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 25, 2024 15:14:40 GMT
I see my SIL's FB page and yesterday I just had to unfriend her. She is a HUGE supporter of him and I don't get it at all. She even goes to the rallies and whatever else. She has all the hats and shirts. Big flag in the yard. I just can't with her anymore. I almost feel like she loves to rub in it. I had her on unfollow but occasionally I would peek and see what she is up to. Yesterday was the last straw.
Thankfully they live really far from us and I don't have to associate with her although it makes me sad. But she is so in your face about it, I won't do it. My best friend is a supporter but she knows where I stand and we respect each other and neither of us talk anything political. Works just fine.. I don't know why SIL has to be such a PITA about it. Lol. After my big purge of my friends list following trump's win over Clinton I kept one trumper. He's the husband of a friend (poor woman, she's a Democrat and has to live with him ). I did the same, unfollowed him but felt compelled for some dumb reason to peek every once in awhile. I unfriended him also after it got to be too awful. I did the same for my uncle and his wife. I just saw a pic of them with my parents in Italy, and he's sporting a trump hat. I hope he doesn't put my parents in danger. One of the things they always told us was to not wear anything political.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Oct 25, 2024 15:42:46 GMT
I don't get it either..
Work with a woman, single mom of 2 struggles day to day financially.on state assistance. full time job grocery store so not great pay but some benefits- she doesn't drive so has to work within walking distance. But Trump certainly wouldn't do her any favors. Told me of someone she knows who would've died during miscarriage without medical help and d&c and how awful it was etc.
Voted Trump last week..
I do not get it. She has a daughter too..
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Post by ecvnj58 on Oct 25, 2024 15:59:00 GMT
Someone I know in Iowa told me the farmers believe in trump more because he doesn’t regulate what the use on their crops while the democrats are trying to outlaw some of the chemicals and make it more expensive to farm. When you look at this one point maybe I can see it.
But also I think a lot of people are selfish and truly believe in a bootstraps mentality. They think that the democrats are recklessly spending on “welfare queens” and that everyone should be forced to work like they do. I am not saying I believe this but I do think this is a component of the voting block.
And I have family that’s single issue voters in the Midwest. Their issue is abortion. Meanwhile they can’t afford their medication and they don’t have retirement savings. And they think it’s too expensive to have kids and pay for daycare. I do not get it at all.
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Post by Merge on Oct 25, 2024 18:50:06 GMT
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Post by disneypal on Oct 25, 2024 20:37:23 GMT
I hate to say it, but the woman I know personally that have told me they are voting for Trump said their husband is voting that way & told them they should too, so they are. It’s like they don’t have a mind of their own and just do what their husband says.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Oct 25, 2024 21:02:27 GMT
The ones in my life are generally:
A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits.
Usually more than one of the above.
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Post by pilcas on Oct 25, 2024 21:23:10 GMT
I don't understand why ANYONE would vote for him. the easiest explanation that I have is that anyone who supports him has deficits in their judgement, morals and ethics. See, I don’t think you can say that. I know good people. Good morals, nice people, that if you met them, you would have NO idea who they were going to vote for. I can give people a pass for voting for him in 2016 but by now, if they don’t know who he is it’s because they don’t want to know. They may seem nice but I am a little skeptical about how good people they are.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 25, 2024 22:12:35 GMT
I don't understand why ANYONE would vote for him. the easiest explanation that I have is that anyone who supports him has deficits in their judgement, morals and ethics. See, I don’t think you can say that. I know good people. Good morals, nice people, that if you met them, you would have NO idea who they were going to vote for. For some, it may come down to mostly poor judgement (IMO, falling for lies and Trump’s con is poor judgement at the very least) but for many it is all of the above. I know many people that I like and would also say that they seem to have strong morals and ethics in their lives (from what I know of them). But I have a really hard reconciling that with them voting for Trump. It makes me question their true values because there is something not right about anyone that votes for him and is ok with all that he says and does.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 25, 2024 22:28:05 GMT
I hate to say it, but the woman I know personally that have told me they are voting for Trump said their husband is voting that way & told them they should too, so they are. It’s like they don’t have a mind of their own and just do what their husband says. This is definitely not the case here. These are smart women, with careers, daughters.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 25, 2024 22:29:53 GMT
The ones in my life are generally: A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits. Usually more than one of the above. Catholics? I thinks it’s more the evangelicals up here. The Catholics are really open minded here
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Post by Merge on Oct 25, 2024 22:41:07 GMT
The ones in my life are generally: A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits. Usually more than one of the above. Catholics? I thinks it’s more the evangelicals up here. The Catholics are really open minded here There are areas where the Catholics are very conservative. My mom’s extended family (South Dakota) are mostly Catholic Trump voters. Huge base of very conservative Catholics in Nebraska where I grew up as well.
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 25, 2024 22:46:37 GMT
The ones in my life are generally: A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits. Usually more than one of the above. My in-laws are E. My "magic Jesus" (stole that term from my mom) cousins are not on your list.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 26, 2024 0:53:17 GMT
The ones in my life are generally: A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits. Usually more than one of the above. I agree with all of the above. Catholics? I thinks it’s more the evangelicals up here. The Catholics are really open minded here The Catholics I know that are the most devout churchgoers (DH’s friends, they go to mass every Wed and Saturday, all the holy days, volunteer there weekly, etc.) are pretty closed minded, bigoted people. The disconnect is so weird. I get really uncomfortable when they start talking about people of color, immigrants, LGBTQ, etc. etc. This from a couple whose first kid was born when they were 16/18 respectively, and their own DD had a child before she was married too. But you know, at least they’re not brown or gay. 🙄
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Oct 26, 2024 3:35:19 GMT
The ones in my life are generally: A. Pro-life Catholics B. Non-college educated/college dropout boomers and GenXrs with MAGA DHs/SOs C. Antivaxx/Covid deniers D. Middle class but with limited "small town" worldviews ---Example: they may travel but it's going to be Nashville, FL, or Mexico and they do not watch or read unless it confirms their biases, and they are mostly around other people who think like them and they often drink/go to the bar. E. If older (boomers), have always been Republicans, and it's their identity. They have also spent the last 30 years listening to right-wing radio/pundits. Usually more than one of the above. Catholics? I thinks it’s more the evangelicals up here. The Catholics are really open minded here I would also agree that evangelicals are also often MAGA, I don't know as many of them though. I know some liberal Catholics--I am friends with some of them, but I also know some very devout Catholics (my DHs family), who are trad-Catholics or wannabe tradcaths. They are pro-life marching, homeschooling, Latin mass wanting, Saint/trad wife/pro-life/anit-tran/anti-vax meme sharing, every week mass attending+, "my wondeful Dh 'provides' for us" posting tradwife/tradcaths. Nothing trumps "the babies". There is a reason we are "low contact" with some of his family.
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Post by Bobomommy on Oct 26, 2024 14:51:30 GMT
I don’t take into account gender or race. I look at the candidates’ platforms and cast my vote based on that. Why would a white man vote for Trump just because he’s a white man?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 26, 2024 15:05:13 GMT
I don’t take into account gender or race. I look at the candidates’ platforms and cast my vote based on that. Why would a white man vote for Trump just because he’s a white man? I know several of DH’s friends who would vote for him solely because of that.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2024 15:06:48 GMT
I don’t take into account gender or race. I look at the candidates’ platforms and cast my vote based on that. Why would a white man vote for Trump just because he’s a white man? It's not really Trump's race or gender that we and the majority of women in this country have an objection to. For me personally, I could never vote for someone who is responsible for appointing conservative justices who overturned Roe v Wade. I could never vote for someone who brags about grabbing women by the pus&y and someone who committed sexual assault. I object to his platform as well. There are a million and one other reasons I would never support him or vote for him, but those are my reasons as a woman and why it's difficult to understand why other women support him.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2024 15:07:31 GMT
I don’t take into account gender or race. I look at the candidates’ platforms and cast my vote based on that. Why would a white man vote for Trump just because he’s a white man? I know several of DH’s friends who would vote for him solely because of that. Or men who will vote against Harris because of her race and/or gender.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 26, 2024 15:14:32 GMT
I'm not voting for Harris because she's a woman. I'm voting for her because of her policies and beliefs FOR women. All women. When some man tells me I am only voting for her because she is a woman, that really pisses me off. Condescending much?
What is behind this whole start of this thread is that I only post political stuff on my snapchat. Most of my friends on there are of the same belief. There are a few that arn't. My meme was..I'd rather vote for my daughters rights, then cheaper gas. or something like that. I can't remember the exact words. and a friend of mine posted back to me. "My daughter will do amazing once Trump is in office". Yea. I didn't engage. I just said, your daughter is amazing now.
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Post by nine on Oct 26, 2024 15:50:50 GMT
Put aside the politics, the guy is physically repulsive. And I think its been proven he has little or no money. So what gives?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 26, 2024 15:51:54 GMT
I'm not voting for Harris because she's a woman. I'm voting for her because of her policies and beliefs FOR women. All women. When some man tells me I am only voting for her because she is a woman, that really pisses me off. Condescending much? What is behind this whole start of this thread is that I only post political stuff on my snapchat. Most of my friends on there are of the same belief. There are a few that arn't. My meme was..I'd rather vote for my daughters rights, then cheaper gas. or something like that. I can't remember the exact words. and a friend of mine posted back to me. "My daughter will do amazing once Trump is in office". Yea. I didn't engage. I just said, your daughter is amazing now. I totally hear what you’re saying. I was recently at an event with a couple of my more conservative friends and while we didn’t specifically talk about politics I could tell from some of their comments in passing that they must both be Trump supporters. Both of them have teenage or younger daughters and both of them live in Texas. One of them has a 20 yo son that just married his high school girlfriend. The other also has a college aged son whose girlfriend recently decided to drop out of college because “she really just wants to marry my son and be a wife and mother, and you don’t need a college degree for that.” 😳🙄 She expects they will be engaged before the end of the year. Yeah, because nothing tragic ever happens to married very young women who immediately have a bunch of kids. 🙄 I really, really wanted to say something to the effect of it’s always good for women to be educated and have job skills they can fall back on if life doesn’t go to plan, but I knew it would fall on deaf ears. My own mom was widowed at age 50 with three kids under 18 still at home. I have a friend who had a similar situation where her DH tragically passed leaving her a widow with four kids under 15 when she was in her late 30’s, so it does happen along with all kinds of other not ideal situations where the woman has to unexpectedly step up to be the breadwinner of the family. It’s so shortsighted to think that in the world as it is today in 2024, women shouldn’t also have marketable skills.
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Post by Merge on Oct 26, 2024 16:11:57 GMT
I'm not voting for Harris because she's a woman. I'm voting for her because of her policies and beliefs FOR women. All women. When some man tells me I am only voting for her because she is a woman, that really pisses me off. Condescending much? What is behind this whole start of this thread is that I only post political stuff on my snapchat. Most of my friends on there are of the same belief. There are a few that arn't. My meme was..I'd rather vote for my daughters rights, then cheaper gas. or something like that. I can't remember the exact words. and a friend of mine posted back to me. "My daughter will do amazing once Trump is in office". Yea. I didn't engage. I just said, your daughter is amazing now. I totally hear what you’re saying. I was recently at an event with a couple of my more conservative friends and while we didn’t specifically talk about politics I could tell from some of their comments in passing that they must both be Trump supporters. Both of them have teenage or younger daughters and both of them live in Texas. One of them has a 20 yo son that just married his high school girlfriend. The other also has a college aged son whose girlfriend recently decided to drop out of college because “she really just wants to marry my son and be a wife and mother, and you don’t need a college degree for that.” 😳🙄 She expects they will be engaged before the end of the year. Yeah, because nothing tragic ever happens to married very young women who immediately have a bunch of kids. 🙄 I really, really wanted to say something to the effect of it’s always good for women to be educated and have job skills they can fall back on if life doesn’t go to plan, but I knew it would fall on deaf ears. My own mom was widowed at age 50 with three kids under 18 still at home. I have a friend who had a similar situation where her DH tragically passed leaving her a widow with four kids under 15 when she was in her late 30’s, so it does happen along with all kinds of other not ideal situations where the woman has to unexpectedly step up to be the breadwinner of the family. It’s so shortsighted to think that in the world as it is today in 2024, women shouldn’t also have marketable skills. This. Every single adult needs marketable skills because you never know what life will throw at you.
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Post by katlady on Oct 26, 2024 16:57:10 GMT
Put aside the politics, the guy is physically repulsive. And I think its been proven he has little or no money. So what gives? His "money" and power are attractive to people. He may not have a lot of cash, but he does carry himself around like he does, and he has powerful and rich friends. He is still part of an elite circle.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 26, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
I totally hear what you’re saying. I was recently at an event with a couple of my more conservative friends and while we didn’t specifically talk about politics I could tell from some of their comments in passing that they must both be Trump supporters. Both of them have teenage or younger daughters and both of them live in Texas. One of them has a 20 yo son that just married his high school girlfriend. The other also has a college aged son whose girlfriend recently decided to drop out of college because “she really just wants to marry my son and be a wife and mother, and you don’t need a college degree for that.” 😳🙄 She expects they will be engaged before the end of the year. Yeah, because nothing tragic ever happens to married very young women who immediately have a bunch of kids. 🙄 I really, really wanted to say something to the effect of it’s always good for women to be educated and have job skills they can fall back on if life doesn’t go to plan, but I knew it would fall on deaf ears. My own mom was widowed at age 50 with three kids under 18 still at home. I have a friend who had a similar situation where her DH tragically passed leaving her a widow with four kids under 15 when she was in her late 30’s, so it does happen along with all kinds of other not ideal situations where the woman has to unexpectedly step up to be the breadwinner of the family. It’s so shortsighted to think that in the world as it is today in 2024, women shouldn’t also have marketable skills. This. Every single adult needs marketable skills because you never know what life will throw at you. Oh this a thousand times this - my children can choose whatever path they'd like and I will support them. If my son decides to stay home and take care of their children as his wife's dream is to be a doctor (current girlfriend). Wonderful - knock yourself out. But that has to be a CHOICE! Being unable to be support yourself and staying home is not a choice it's a life sentence - I've seen way way way too many people stuck in miserable marriages as they can't get out as they can't support themselves. It's terrible for everyone even leaving aside the potential for tragedy.
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Post by Merge on Oct 26, 2024 18:26:44 GMT
This. Every single adult needs marketable skills because you never know what life will throw at you. Oh this a thousand times this - my children can choose whatever path they'd like and I will support them. If my son decides to stay home and take care of their children as his wife's dream is to be a doctor (current girlfriend). Wonderful - knock yourself out. But that has to be a CHOICE! Being unable to be support yourself and staying home is not a choice it's a life sentence - I've seen way way way too many people stuck in miserable marriages as they can't get out as they can't support themselves. It's terrible for everyone even leaving aside the potential for tragedy. Right? People change, marriages end, people get sick and become disabled. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this scenario just in my local mom's FB group: mom of multiple kids begging for some work she can do at home. Dad either left, was injured, or got sick and can't work. She has no marketable skills and can't afford daycare on what she can make in retail or other similar jobs. Everyone needs to be able to support themselves if it becomes necessary. The tradwife dream currently being pushed by the religious right (you don't need college or job training! your only job is to be a wife and mother!) is a recipe for disaster for so many families. Women need job skills and we need to be able to control our own bodies. Anything less and we are not fully equal citizens. And to get back to the OP - women who vote for Trump are casting a vote to be a second-class citizen. Makes no sense at all. The whole idea that we should be happy for men to protect and support us, or worse, for Trump to protect us, infantilizes women and makes a mockery of the last hundred years of progress.
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Post by sarahruby on Oct 26, 2024 21:43:44 GMT
I don't get it either.. Work with a woman, single mom of 2 struggles day to day financially.on state assistance. full time job grocery store so not great pay but some benefits- she doesn't drive so has to work within walking distance. But Trump certainly wouldn't do her any favors. Told me of someone she knows who would've died during miscarriage without medical help and d&c and how awful it was etc. Voted Trump last week.. I do not get it. She has a daughter too.. She most likely sees that things were better before Biden. Financially a lot of people are hurting right now. No one can deny that. You don't have to like the presidential candidates, and everyone has different things that matter to them.
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Post by rubrinker on Oct 26, 2024 23:19:15 GMT
We will vote for Trump because we are all smarter than you and really do not want to led by a pathetic do nothing.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2024 23:59:46 GMT
Michelle Obama makes a really compelling argument for women (and men) to vote for Harris Michelle Obama
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