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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 14, 2024 17:22:25 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlWay to paint a target right on your own family’s back by outing them as undocumented in a public forum. 🤦🏻♀️ |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 17:47:52 GMT
Nope. All still wrong. Read the first article I linked. The 20m number you cite was first spouted by Marco Rubio, whose office was able to provide no source for that number (i.e., he made it up). The groups that actually study these things keep the number around 11m. The other two links are from groups that actually study immigration. Understand that many immigrants cross through unauthorized areas because that's where their coyote takes them. They then present themselves to the agents (as in Eagle Pass) and are taken to be processed and start an asylum case if that's what they want. Greg Abbott has indeed shipped immigrants all over the country at great expense to Texas taxpayers. Take that up with him. You seem impervious to actually learning anything, though. How do you think a president is doing his duty to the people of the USA when he lets our industries go without the workers they need, reducing their contributions to our economy? Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 17:50:08 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlTrump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 14, 2024 18:09:39 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlWay to paint a target right on your own family’s back by outing them as undocumented in a public forum. 🤦🏻♀️ It’s a good reminder that if you know people who are undocumented, no, you don’t. However well-meaning anyone may be, don’t put targets on anyone by leveraging their personal stories without permission. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 14, 2024 18:28:26 GMT
Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? you are totally missing the point. The point is that none of it is, or ever WAS, TRUE. He LIED TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR HIM. Deporting the random murderer or [actual] rapist, fine. I am actually perfectly fine with that. HOW TO FIND THEM IN THE MIDST of everyone is the PROBLEM. They won't bother. THEY HAVE SAID THIS. It's like chopping off your finger to get rid of a splinter. The splinter is gone, great! But you have a much bigger problem (surgery, no finger, blood loss, lots of pain, etc.) that you could have fixed a totally different, less painful, much cheaper, much more efficient way. "how to handle the issue of family separation?" Homan (I think that's his name) said he would actually get rid of them ALL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO FIX ANYTHING. (unless you're a bigoted racist who has an issue with brown people- THEN you'll think it's a perfect solution.) eta: I'm getting a bit too testy... going back to Leopards eating Faces for a while. |
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Post by katlady on Nov 14, 2024 18:51:11 GMT
I am a little concerned too that vigilante groups may start to pop up to "help" ICE.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:53:05 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:54:22 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlTrump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. I thought you weren’t able to read his mind about his plans. This doesn’t at all agree with what he’s said on the subject numerous times, so you must have some extra information we don’t have. |
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Post by ntsf on Nov 14, 2024 18:54:32 GMT
harris is the one who actually searched out and prosecuted and deported criminals without documentation.. as ca ag.
action.. legal, within the rules action.
not violating human rights and the constitution.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:56:10 GMT
Nope. All still wrong. Read the first article I linked. The 20m number you cite was first spouted by Marco Rubio, whose office was able to provide no source for that number (i.e., he made it up). The groups that actually study these things keep the number around 11m. The other two links are from groups that actually study immigration. Understand that many immigrants cross through unauthorized areas because that's where their coyote takes them. They then present themselves to the agents (as in Eagle Pass) and are taken to be processed and start an asylum case if that's what they want. Greg Abbott has indeed shipped immigrants all over the country at great expense to Texas taxpayers. Take that up with him. You seem impervious to actually learning anything, though. How do you think a president is doing his duty to the people of the USA when he lets our industries go without the workers they need, reducing their contributions to our economy? Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? Why do you ask loaded questions when you’ve been shown to be wrong about something? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 18:56:25 GMT
Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? you are totally missing the point. The point is that none of it is, or ever WAS, TRUE. He LIED TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR HIM. Deporting the random murderer or [actual] rapist, fine. I am actually perfectly fine with that. HOW TO FIND THEM IN THE MIDST of everyone is the PROBLEM. They won't bother. THEY HAVE SAID THIS. It's like chopping off your finger to get rid of a splinter. The splinter is gone, great! But you have a much bigger problem (surgery, no finger, blood loss, lots of pain, etc.) that you could have fixed a totally different, less painful, much cheaper, much more efficient way. "how to handle the issue of family separation?" Homan (I think that's his name) said he would actually get rid of them ALL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO FIX ANYTHING. (unless you're a bigoted racist who has an issue with brown people- THEN you'll think it's a perfect solution.) eta: I'm getting a bit too testy... going back to Leopards eating Faces for a while. That's not the point. The point is that everyone on the left is screeching about is that he is going to be deporting EVERYONE. That's not going to happen. But he NEEDS to deport a lot of them. Random murderer or [actual] rapist??? do you think there are so few? you make it sound like there aren't thousands of them roaming unvetted and unaccounted for. How to find them in the midst of everyone IS a huge problem. A problem caused by having OPEN BORDERS and letting millions pour over them. Now Trump has to fix biden's shitshow which should have never happened in the first place if people had been made to go through the proper channels. What exactly is your that you could have fixed a totally different, less painful, much cheaper, much more efficient way solution to this clusterfuck, just ignore the fact that these people are here and not send anyone back??? unless you're a bigoted racist who has an issue with brown people- THEN you'll think it's a perfect solution.)
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 18:58:27 GMT
Trump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. I thought you weren’t able to read his mind about his plans. This doesn’t at all agree with what he’s said on the subject numerous times, so you must have some extra information we don’t have.I've heard him say it recently...I wouldn't be narcissistic enough to think I could read his mind about his plans. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 19:01:38 GMT
Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? Why do you ask loaded questions when you’ve been shown to be wrong about something? Why do you consider that a loaded question? From the way that you are arguing, you seem to be against it. Numbers really aren't the issue here. The fact is that there are people in this country illegally and many, many of them NEED to be deported. Those would be the murderers, rapists and criminals. And THOSE are the ones I am focused on. And you should be too. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 14, 2024 19:05:03 GMT
Way to paint a target right on your own family’s back by outing them as undocumented in a public forum. 🤦🏻♀️ It’s a good reminder that if you know people who are undocumented, no, you don’t. However well-meaning anyone may be, don’t put targets on anyone by leveraging their personal stories without permission. This was one of the first things I posted on this message board last week. No I don't know the citizenship of my neighbor. No I don't know any transgender people. No I don't know if my neighbor is pregnant. Protect the vulnerable. Be the person who would have hid Anne Frank, not sold her out to the Nazi party. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 19:05:36 GMT
I thought you weren’t able to read his mind about his plans. This doesn’t at all agree with what he’s said on the subject numerous times, so you must have some extra information we don’t have.I've heard him say it recently...I wouldn't be narcissistic enough to think I could read his mind about his plans. Weird, because you sure seemed to think you knew what he intended for healthcare despite having no evidence to back up your beliefs. “Mass deportations,” a phrase he’s used countless times, does not imply limited removal of violent criminals. Why don’t you believe him when he says what he’s going to do? Indeed, I think you know that he plans to try to deport them all, or you wouldn’t be so hung up on how many of them there are. Trump has also recently said that there is no limit to what he will spend on deportations. No limit! Does that seem fiscally responsible to you? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 19:07:12 GMT
Why do you ask loaded questions when you’ve been shown to be wrong about something? Why do you consider that a loaded question? From the way that you are arguing, you seem to be against it. Numbers really aren't the issue here. The fact is that there are people in this country illegally and many, many of them NEED to be deported. Those would be the murderers, rapists and criminals. And THOSE are the ones I am focused on. And you should be too. Why do you believe that many, many, many of them are rapists and criminals? There is literally no data to suggest that. BTW, I’m all in favor of Americans first. I just don’t hold your narrow view of who qualifies to be an American. Would you agree that the US will suffer a huge economic blow if Trump carries out his stated plans to deport millions of non-criminal immigrants? |
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Why do you ask loaded questions when you’ve been shown to be wrong about something? Why do you consider that a loaded question? From the way that you are arguing, you seem to be against it. Numbers really aren't the issue here. The fact is that there are people in this country illegally and many, many of them NEED to be deported. Those would be the murderers, rapists and criminals. And THOSE are the ones I am focused on. And you should be too. I doubt there is one person here who has a problem with Trump rounding up and deporting criminals, murderers and rapists. The problem most of us see is that in his quest to have the biggest deportation of millions, the biggest in our history, (words that he himself has actually spoken, repeatedly) is that others who aren't rapists and murderers, who aren't even here illegally, may be caught up in the dragnet. Do you really think there are millions of murderers and rapists here from Mexico? That sounds like Fox News rhetoric. And unrelated...somewhere else, you said you are happy with the people Trump is nominating to important positions. So you are okay with Matt Gaetz, who is being investigated for sex trafficking, being our attorney general? And lets be real--it's been out there for years that he has sex with underage girls, so it's not just a recent development put out by "the left." So you only have a problem with rapists if they are brown people, I guess? It's okay to have one as the highest ranking attorney in the land since he's a Trumper. Got it. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 19:14:47 GMT
Why do you consider that a loaded question? From the way that you are arguing, you seem to be against it. Numbers really aren't the issue here. The fact is that there are people in this country illegally and many, many of them NEED to be deported. Those would be the murderers, rapists and criminals. And THOSE are the ones I am focused on. And you should be too. Why do you believe that many, many, many of them are rapists and criminals? There is literally no data to suggest that. BTW, I’m all in favor of Americans first. I just don’t hold your narrow view of who qualifies to be an American. Would you agree that the US will suffer a huge economic blow if Trump carries out his stated plans to deport millions of non-criminal immigrants? There is literally all kinds of data to show how many are in the United States right now I can’t link at this moment, but all you have to do is Google it and the first five that come up will tell you how many are here. And there are literally thousands. So now it’s a narrow view to have the opinion that people that are here illegally don’t qualify to be an American? I think that’s pretty much just common sense. Because I’m not a mind, reader, or a genie I have no idea if the US will suffer a huge economic blow. They could they could not I don’t know and you don’t either. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 19:22:02 GMT
Why do you believe that many, many, many of them are rapists and criminals? There is literally no data to suggest that. BTW, I’m all in favor of Americans first. I just don’t hold your narrow view of who qualifies to be an American. Would you agree that the US will suffer a huge economic blow if Trump carries out his stated plans to deport millions of non-criminal immigrants? There is literally all kinds of data to show how many are in the United States right now I can’t link at this moment, but all you have to do is Google it and the first five that come up will tell you how many are here. And there are literally thousands. So now it’s a narrow view to have the opinion that people that are here illegally don’t qualify to be an American? I think that’s pretty much just common sense. Because I’m not a mind, reader, or a genie I have no idea if the US will suffer a huge economic blow. They could they could not I don’t know and you don’t either. Thousands out of 11 million? Seems like a pretty low amount statistically. Those same stats will tell you that undoc immigrants commit fewer violent crimes per capita than our native born citizens. It’s a narrow view to believe that we don’t need these immigrants as much as they need us, or that differences in culture, skin color, or language are disqualifying. Whether you personally hold this view or not, a lot of people in Trump’s orbit are simply opposed to any immigration of people with brown skin. And they’ve told you lies about murderers and rapists (and inflated numbers) to get you to vote for them. And of course, you don’t have to be a genie or even very smart to realize that removing millions of people from our workforce is bad for the economy. I think you can see that, so now you have to backpedal and say oh, that isn’t what Trump is going to do. But that’s exactly what he has said he is going to do. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 14, 2024 19:38:29 GMT
Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? you are totally missing the point. The point is that none of it is, or ever WAS, TRUE. He LIED TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR HIM. Deporting the random murderer or [actual] rapist, fine. I am actually perfectly fine with that. HOW TO FIND THEM IN THE MIDST of everyone is the PROBLEM. They won't bother. THEY HAVE SAID THIS. It's like chopping off your finger to get rid of a splinter. The splinter is gone, great! But you have a much bigger problem (surgery, no finger, blood loss, lots of pain, etc.) that you could have fixed a totally different, less painful, much cheaper, much more efficient way. "how to handle the issue of family separation?" Homan (I think that's his name) said he would actually get rid of them ALL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO FIX ANYTHING. (unless you're a bigoted racist who has an issue with brown people- THEN you'll think it's a perfect solution.) eta: I'm getting a bit too testy... going back to Leopards eating Faces for a while. The people who actually are murderers and rapists are in prison already. I’m fine with them being deported after their sentence but Trumpers seem to think somehow ICE is going to find more murderers and rapists running around the towns as if they have a red x on their heads. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 19:54:14 GMT
There is literally all kinds of data to show how many are in the United States right now I can’t link at this moment, but all you have to do is Google it and the first five that come up will tell you how many are here. And there are literally thousands. So now it’s a narrow view to have the opinion that people that are here illegally don’t qualify to be an American? I think that’s pretty much just common sense. Because I’m not a mind, reader, or a genie I have no idea if the US will suffer a huge economic blow. They could they could not I don’t know and you don’t either. Thousands out of 11 million? Seems like a pretty low amount statistically. Those same stats will tell you that undoc immigrants commit fewer violent crimes per capita than our native born citizens. It’s a narrow view to believe that we don’t need these immigrants as much as they need us, or that differences in culture, skin color, or language are disqualifying. Whether you personally hold this view or not, a lot of people in Trump’s orbit are simply opposed to any immigration of people with brown skin. And they’ve told you lies about murderers and rapists (and inflated numbers) to get you to vote for them. And of course, you don’t have to be a genie or even very smart to realize that removing millions of people from our workforce is bad for the economy. I think you can see that, so now you have to backpedal and say oh, that isn’t what Trump is going to do. But that’s exactly what he has said he is going to do. Statistically, its not that low. And even 100 criminals, rapists and murderers is 100 too many. And they’ve told you lies about murderers and rapists (and inflated numbers) to get you to vote for them. It's not lies. Again, I am not referring to the illegals that have been here for 20 years and are working and paying into the system. And Trump said he was focusing on the criminals, rapists and murderers first. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 19:56:09 GMT
you are totally missing the point. The point is that none of it is, or ever WAS, TRUE. He LIED TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR HIM. Deporting the random murderer or [actual] rapist, fine. I am actually perfectly fine with that. HOW TO FIND THEM IN THE MIDST of everyone is the PROBLEM. They won't bother. THEY HAVE SAID THIS. It's like chopping off your finger to get rid of a splinter. The splinter is gone, great! But you have a much bigger problem (surgery, no finger, blood loss, lots of pain, etc.) that you could have fixed a totally different, less painful, much cheaper, much more efficient way. "how to handle the issue of family separation?" Homan (I think that's his name) said he would actually get rid of them ALL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO FIX ANYTHING. (unless you're a bigoted racist who has an issue with brown people- THEN you'll think it's a perfect solution.) eta: I'm getting a bit too testy... going back to Leopards eating Faces for a while. I’m fine with them being deported after their sentence but Trumpers seem to think somehow ICE is going to find more murderers and rapists running around the towns as if they have a red x on their heads. not all of them....see the article i linked in the post above. You really think they all are already in prison??? That, my dear, is laughable. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 14, 2024 19:59:41 GMT
The people who actually are murderers and rapists are in prison already. I’m fine with them being deported after their sentence but Trumpers seem to think somehow ICE is going to find more murderers and rapists running around the towns as if they have a red x on their heads. not all of them....see the article i linked in the post above. You really think they all are already in prison??? That, my dear, is laughable. It would be laughable how ignorant you are about these topics if the consequences for the rest of us weren’t so serious. You say you “hope” and “believe” that Trump will make everything great yet you haven’t looked past his words for any issue. You don’t have to be a mind reader to know how deporting millions of people would affect the economy, even if you believe that it should still be done. You also don’t have to be a mind reader to read the data that says that immigrants commit less crime than American born citizens. Maybe the focus should be on solving and preventing crime in the first place rather than dehumanizing groups of people. But the suffering is the point, isn’t it? And you have yet to suggest how they are going to find all of these rapists and murderers if they haven’t been convicted of a crime. Are they going to just grab people and make up lies about them? Wouldn’t shock me at this point. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 20:04:06 GMT
Why do you consider that a loaded question? From the way that you are arguing, you seem to be against it. Numbers really aren't the issue here. The fact is that there are people in this country illegally and many, many of them NEED to be deported. Those would be the murderers, rapists and criminals. And THOSE are the ones I am focused on. And you should be too. I doubt there is one person here who has a problem with Trump rounding up and deporting criminals, murderers and rapists. The problem most of us see is that in his quest to have the biggest deportation of millions, the biggest in our history, (words that he himself has actually spoken, repeatedly) is that others who aren't rapists and murderers, who aren't even here illegally, may be caught up in the dragnet. Do you really think there are millions of murderers and rapists here from Mexico? That sounds like Fox News rhetoric. And unrelated...somewhere else, you said you are happy with the people Trump is nominating to important positions. So you are okay with Matt Gaetz, who is being investigated for sex trafficking, being our attorney general? And lets be real--it's been out there for years that he has sex with underage girls, so it's not just a recent development put out by "the left." So you only have a problem with rapists if they are brown people, I guess? It's okay to have one as the highest ranking attorney in the land since he's a Trumper. Got it. WAS... In September 2022, after more than two years of investigating Gaetz, prosecutors recommended that no charges be filed against the Florida congressman.
The Washington Post reported at the time that prosecutors had concerns about the credibility of two key witnesses and worried that they wouldn't be able to secure a conviction against Gaetz if they brought charges.
Five months later, in February 2023, the department formally closed the investigation.Geez, talk about disinformation/misinformation...You should probably get your timeline right... Sounds about as credible as the Brett Kavanaugh shitshow.... |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 14, 2024 20:07:31 GMT
I doubt there is one person here who has a problem with Trump rounding up and deporting criminals, murderers and rapists. The problem most of us see is that in his quest to have the biggest deportation of millions, the biggest in our history, (words that he himself has actually spoken, repeatedly) is that others who aren't rapists and murderers, who aren't even here illegally, may be caught up in the dragnet. Do you really think there are millions of murderers and rapists here from Mexico? That sounds like Fox News rhetoric. And unrelated...somewhere else, you said you are happy with the people Trump is nominating to important positions. So you are okay with Matt Gaetz, who is being investigated for sex trafficking, being our attorney general? And lets be real--it's been out there for years that he has sex with underage girls, so it's not just a recent development put out by "the left." So you only have a problem with rapists if they are brown people, I guess? It's okay to have one as the highest ranking attorney in the land since he's a Trumper. Got it. WAS... In September 2022, after more than two years of investigating Gaetz, prosecutors recommended that no charges be filed against the Florida congressman.
The Washington Post reported at the time that prosecutors had concerns about the credibility of two key witnesses and worried that they wouldn't be able to secure a conviction against Gaetz if they brought charges.
Five months later, in February 2023, the department formally closed the investigation.Geez, talk about disinformation/misinformation...You should probably get your timeline right... Sounds about as credible as the Brett Kavanaugh shitshow.... There was just a Republican Congressman on CNN in an older interview saying that Gaetz showed them videos of him having sex with young girls and he talked about taking large amounts of ED meds and crushing it up in order to go all night. It’s pretty gross that you stand up for these disgusting men. They have no place being in the government at all. That includes Trump. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 20:09:06 GMT
Thousands out of 11 million? Seems like a pretty low amount statistically. Those same stats will tell you that undoc immigrants commit fewer violent crimes per capita than our native born citizens. It’s a narrow view to believe that we don’t need these immigrants as much as they need us, or that differences in culture, skin color, or language are disqualifying. Whether you personally hold this view or not, a lot of people in Trump’s orbit are simply opposed to any immigration of people with brown skin. And they’ve told you lies about murderers and rapists (and inflated numbers) to get you to vote for them. And of course, you don’t have to be a genie or even very smart to realize that removing millions of people from our workforce is bad for the economy. I think you can see that, so now you have to backpedal and say oh, that isn’t what Trump is going to do. But that’s exactly what he has said he is going to do. Statistically, its not that low. And even 100 criminals, rapists and murderers is 100 too many. And they’ve told you lies about murderers and rapists (and inflated numbers) to get you to vote for them. It's not lies. Again, I am not referring to the illegals that have been here for 20 years and are working and paying into the system. And Trump said he was focusing on the criminals, rapists and murderers first. The lie is that most or even many of these immigrants are also criminals. I don't know what "Straight Arrow News" is, but apparently they (and you) missed all the discussion when this report was released. Criminal immigrants on ICE's non-detained docket are simply not being detained by ICE. That doesn't mean that they're roaming the streets. Often it means they're being detained by one of the states or even in federal prison, serving their sentence. www.borderreport.com/immigration/explainer-how-immigrants-end-up-on-ices-non-detained-docket/And you may not be talking about deporting the human beings who have been here and contributing for 20 years, but Trump most assuredly is. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 20:14:18 GMT
I doubt there is one person here who has a problem with Trump rounding up and deporting criminals, murderers and rapists. The problem most of us see is that in his quest to have the biggest deportation of millions, the biggest in our history, (words that he himself has actually spoken, repeatedly) is that others who aren't rapists and murderers, who aren't even here illegally, may be caught up in the dragnet. Do you really think there are millions of murderers and rapists here from Mexico? That sounds like Fox News rhetoric. And unrelated...somewhere else, you said you are happy with the people Trump is nominating to important positions. So you are okay with Matt Gaetz, who is being investigated for sex trafficking, being our attorney general? And lets be real--it's been out there for years that he has sex with underage girls, so it's not just a recent development put out by "the left." So you only have a problem with rapists if they are brown people, I guess? It's okay to have one as the highest ranking attorney in the land since he's a Trumper. Got it. WAS... In September 2022, after more than two years of investigating Gaetz, prosecutors recommended that no charges be filed against the Florida congressman.
The Washington Post reported at the time that prosecutors had concerns about the credibility of two key witnesses and worried that they wouldn't be able to secure a conviction against Gaetz if they brought charges.
Five months later, in February 2023, the department formally closed the investigation.Geez, talk about disinformation/misinformation...You should probably get your timeline right... Sounds about as credible as the Brett Kavanaugh shitshow.... Hmmm, Texas Republican John Cornyn sure seems to think there might be valuable and pertinent information in the Republican-controlled House's ethics investigation into Gaetz, coming up to Gaetz's AG hearing. www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-senator-cornyn-absolutely-wants-see-matt-gaetz-ethics-report-2024-11-14/ |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 20:15:33 GMT
not all of them....see the article i linked in the post above. You really think they all are already in prison??? That, my dear, is laughable. It would be laughable how ignorant you are about these topics if the consequences for the rest of us weren’t so serious. You say you “hope” and “believe” that Trump will make everything great yet you haven’t looked past his words for any issue. You don’t have to be a mind reader to know how deporting millions of people would affect the economy, even if you believe that it should still be done. You also don’t have to be a mind reader to read the data that says that immigrants commit less crime than American born citizens. Maybe the focus should be on solving and preventing crime in the first place rather than dehumanizing groups of people. But the suffering is the point, isn’t it? And you have yet to suggest how they are going to find all of these rapists and murderers if they haven’t been convicted of a crime. Are they going to just grab people and make up lies about them? Wouldn’t shock me at this point. Logically, I'm going to guess that's because there are 350 million American citizens, so the percentage of crimes that the illegals commit will be less than what the American born citizens commit. And you have yet to suggest how they are going to find all of these rapists and murderers if they haven’t been convicted of a crime. Are they going to just grab people and make up lies about them? Wouldn’t shock me at this point.
It isn't going to be easy, for sure, based on the fact that there were millions of undocumented, unvetted, got-away's that invaded our borders and our country. But I'm sure they have a plan that they aren't releasing to the public just yet... Maybe the focus should be on solving and preventing crime in the first place rather than dehumanizing groups of people. But the suffering is the point, isn’t it?
Kinda late for that since the people that are already here illegally should have come through the point of entry, been processed and vetted at that point of entry and then followed up on. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 14, 2024 20:16:17 GMT
A question about Gaetz—if he is not approved for the new position of AG, is he still able to go back to the senate since he was just re-elected? Or would he be out of luck since he must quit Congress?
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Post by cindosha on Nov 14, 2024 20:16:31 GMT
www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-scandal-investigation-attorney-general-donald-trump-1985529WAS... In September 2022, after more than two years of investigating Gaetz, prosecutors recommended that no charges be filed against the Florida congressman.
The Washington Post reported at the time that prosecutors had concerns about the credibility of two key witnesses and worried that they wouldn't be able to secure a conviction against Gaetz if they brought charges.
Five months later, in February 2023, the department formally closed the investigation.Geez, talk about disinformation/misinformation...You should probably get your timeline right... Sounds about as credible as the Brett Kavanaugh shitshow.... There was just a Republican Congressman on CNN in an older interview saying that Gaetz showed them videos of him having sex with young girls and he talked about taking large amounts of ED meds and crushing it up in order to go all night. It’s pretty gross that you stand up for these disgusting men. They have no place being in the government at all. That includes Trump. we have differing opinions |
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