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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 18:11:02 GMT
FACT vs OPINION. They are ANTONYMS. Opposites. An opinion is NOT a FACT. from Dictionary.com: fact
[ fakt ] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun That which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth:Your fears have no basis in fact.
Something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
A truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
Something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- opinion
[ uh-pin-yuhn ] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.Synonyms: impression, idea, notion, persuasion A personal view, attitude, or appraisal. The formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case. A judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
Archaic. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Study.com Opinion VS Fact Definition & ExamplesYou just proved my point. 👍🏻👍🏻 |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 18:16:49 GMT
That was made clear when cindytred started a thread asking where the republicans were and was viscously chased off of her own thread with nasty comments about her cancer and her health care. I don't think that pointing out that she voted for and supports someone who has said he will get rid of the ACA, which is what has provided her care through her cancer journey, can really be called "nasty." I want to have the same conversation with my unemployed brother, who is a Trump supporter, and also gets his healthcare through the ACA, and pays very little for it, too. Those two things don't compute in my brain. But pointing that out is not nasty. But it was nasty. It chased her off. Do you really think that Trump is going to eliminate affordable care and leave people hanging with no insurance at all?? That’s crazy. I think he is going to restructure the system, make it better for everyone and make sure people have better coverage. And before you come at me for how exactly he plans to do it, I don’t know. We will wait and see what his plan is. But I can guarantee that he’s not going to dismantle the plan and then not have anything in its place. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 15, 2024 18:25:45 GMT
I don't think that pointing out that she voted for and supports someone who has said he will get rid of the ACA, which is what has provided her care through her cancer journey, can really be called "nasty." I want to have the same conversation with my unemployed brother, who is a Trump supporter, and also gets his healthcare through the ACA, and pays very little for it, too. Those two things don't compute in my brain. But pointing that out is not nasty. But it was nasty. It chased her off. Do you really think that Trump is going to eliminate affordable care and leave people hanging with no insurance at all?? That’s crazy. I think he is going to restructure the system, make it better for everyone and make sure people have better coverage. And before you come at me for how exactly he plans to do it, I don’t know. We will wait and see what his plan is. But I can guarantee that he’s not going to dismantle the plan and then not have anything in its place. And you are proving the point that your opinions are based on beliefs or feelings bs fact. The fact is that Trump tried to repeal the ACA dozens of times in his first term—with nothing to take its place. Remember that McCain voted with democrats to keep that from happened? One of the reasons Trump hates McCain? Is it a guarantee that he will manage to do that this time? No. But is it likely he will try? Yes. Based on previous actions. That is the difference. The things we are worried about are based in what he and others that he is putting forth as “leaders” have said and done in the past. Not what we hope they will do. Cindytred could have stayed and told us why she thought Trump was a good pick. I am pretty sure I said that you/she/any Trump pea could tell us why we were wrong using actual data and facts, or even just have a discussion about that based on facts. She couldn’t do that so she left the thread and said she was “attacked”. Another pea asked which of the policy proposals she and others were excited about and nothing. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 19:05:27 GMT
But it was nasty. It chased her off. Do you really think that Trump is going to eliminate affordable care and leave people hanging with no insurance at all?? That’s crazy. I think he is going to restructure the system, make it better for everyone and make sure people have better coverage. And before you come at me for how exactly he plans to do it, I don’t know. We will wait and see what his plan is. But I can guarantee that he’s not going to dismantle the plan and then not have anything in its place. And you are proving the point that your opinions are based on beliefs or feelings bs fact. The fact is that Trump tried to repeal the ACA dozens of times in his first term—with nothing to take its place. Remember that McCain voted with democrats to keep that from happened? One of the reasons Trump hates McCain? Is it a guarantee that he will manage to do that this time? No. But is it likely he will try? Yes. Based on previous actions. That is the difference. The things we are worried about are based in what he and others that he is putting forth as “leaders” have said and done in the past. Not what we hope they will do. Cindytred could have stayed and told us why she thought Trump was a good pick. I am pretty sure I said that you/she/any Trump pea could tell us why we were wrong using actual data and facts, or even just have a discussion about that based on facts. She couldn’t do that so she left the thread and said she was “attacked”. Another pea asked which of the policy proposals she and others were excited about and nothing. She left because you (general you) attacked her cancer and her healthcare. Again, I didn’t realize that being a part of this board required nothing but facts and links to facts and no opinions. Neither cindytred or anyone else owes you an explanation for their opinion. It’s a discussion board not school. That’s where this board is one sided, just like I said. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 15, 2024 19:21:26 GMT
And you are proving the point that your opinions are based on beliefs or feelings bs fact. The fact is that Trump tried to repeal the ACA dozens of times in his first term—with nothing to take its place. Remember that McCain voted with democrats to keep that from happened? One of the reasons Trump hates McCain? Is it a guarantee that he will manage to do that this time? No. But is it likely he will try? Yes. Based on previous actions. That is the difference. The things we are worried about are based in what he and others that he is putting forth as “leaders” have said and done in the past. Not what we hope they will do. Cindytred could have stayed and told us why she thought Trump was a good pick. I am pretty sure I said that you/she/any Trump pea could tell us why we were wrong using actual data and facts, or even just have a discussion about that based on facts. She couldn’t do that so she left the thread and said she was “attacked”. Another pea asked which of the policy proposals she and others were excited about and nothing. She left because you (general you) attacked her cancer and her healthcare. Again, I didn’t realize that being a part of this board required nothing but facts and links to facts and no opinions. Neither cindytred or anyone else owes you an explanation for their opinion. It’s a discussion board not school. That’s where this board is one sided, just like I said. You can share your opinion, but that doesn’t mean people won’t challenge it. Just like you have challenged others. That’s what makes it a discussion board. You said that if someone was going to stop responding to you that meant they didn’t have any more arguments to make. I simply told you that was not likely to be the case, and explained why. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 15, 2024 19:39:32 GMT
She left because you (general you) attacked her cancer and her healthcare. Who attacked her? We must have different views of what the word "attack" means. NO one attacked her cancer. They simply asked how she could vote for someone who wants to take that option for healthcare away, when it is what helped her. It's a valid question. Do you really think that Trump is going to eliminate affordable care and leave people hanging with no insurance at all?? That’s crazy. I think he is going to restructure the system, make it better for everyone and make sure people have better coverage. And before you come at me for how exactly he plans to do it, I don’t know. We will wait and see what his plan is. But I can guarantee that he’s not going to dismantle the plan and then not have anything in its place. So are you saying he lied alllll the times over the past almost 10 years that he literally SAID he was going to get rid of the ACA? Yeah, he said he was going to replace it with something 'so much better.' So why didn't he in the four years he was president? How many times did he say he was going to unveil his beautiful plan in 2 weeks??? But yet recently, he simply said he has a "concept of a plan." Why in ten years does he not have a REAL plan? So yeah, I do see him gutting it with nothing to put in it's place. He's tried multiple times already. Why should we not believe him now? You all believe everything he says. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 15, 2024 20:20:27 GMT
That isn’t the case at all. You aren’t willing to see things in a different way and are responding based on emotion rather than facts. You aren’t discussing issues in good faith and will never part from the “Trump is great there are no issues” narrative so what is the point? It really is ok to not agree with Trump on everything or even to be able to recognize that there might be some aspects of his plans that have negative consequences, even if in the end you still think those consequences are worth it. That would be a discussion. Actually, I think that is the case with the left members of this board. That was made clear when cindytred started a thread asking where the republicans were and was viscously chased off of her own thread with nasty comments about her cancer and her health care. Any republican that responded to her was greeted with nasty comments as well. And that is the case in ANY political thread. So that tells me that there is clearly only one side on this board and the left is unwilling to discuss issues in good faith unless those issues align with theirs. When I have linked data, its met with "I don't know that news source so it must be crap and/or untrue". I have seen the brunt of that as well. and are responding based on emotion rather than facts.I guess I didn't realize that this was a board in which if you don't link an opinion based fact, then don't bother responding. Or that if you have a view that opposes yours, then don't bother posting because we aren't going to give you the chance to have your own opinion, if its not ours, then you can kiss off. I suppose you should rename the NSBR to "Left leaning ONLY", or "Don't bother posting here if you are a republican/conservative". It really is ok to not agree with Trump on everything or even to be able to recognize that there might be some aspects of his plans that have negative consequences, even if in the end you still think those consequences are worth it. That would be a discussion.
I'm not sure whether you are saying that it’s okay for your side to not agree with Trump on everything or for my side. I will say that so far, I agree with Trump on his picks. I'm not sure about some of them because I don't know enough about them, but I am excited about a lot of them and I think that he chose wisely. Nobody is going to love everybody, but as always a lot remains to be seen. I suggest you go back and reread that thread. I think almost everyone was respectful and wished her the best with her health care and cancer. The general message was we hope it works out for you. and I think the conservatives are not engaging because they know some of their choices/ decisions are indefensible. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 15, 2024 20:49:44 GMT
Mittelstadt said some murderers and other criminals cannot be deported “because their country will not accept their return.”
so now we are stuck with their sorry asses... I’m going to regret this. How is imprisoning an immigrant who committed a crime here any different from imprisoning a native born American? Does their legal status even matter? If they’re here legally, should we deport them too? I can agree that it stinks that we are paying to imprison them. But I think I prefer that to deporting them and not having control over where they go after they are not in prison. |
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Post by casii on Nov 15, 2024 20:57:16 GMT
I haven't been able to read through all the pages yet, but did anyone bring up that private prison stocks are soaring?
I can see the round up to prison to cheap labor cycle being very attractive to republican wealthy folks. Gather your undocumented or expired visa folks up, put them in prison where they have to turn around and work for $.20 (that's cents) per hour harvesting crops, roadwork, government construction, etc. The bigwigs and investors make bank off the suffering of people.
These are the things my menopausal insomnia brain worries about at 3:13 am.
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