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Post by cakediva on Nov 14, 2024 22:18:05 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlTrump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. Explain to me like I'm 5 - HOW is he going to differentiate between the good ones and the criminals, murderers and rapists? How? If they knew who they were or where they were, wouldn't they already be in jail or deported?? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 14, 2024 22:27:58 GMT
based on what criteria/facts? whatever was known, TFG and his FBI, DOJdid not want it known by the public, . TFG squashed the investigation. All 'tip line info' was sent to the WH by the FBI!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 14, 2024 22:30:21 GMT
Trump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. Explain to me like I'm 5 - HOW is he going to differentiate between the good ones and the criminals, murderers and rapists? How? If they knew who they were or where they were, wouldn't they already be in jail or deported?? TFG considers them all to be criminals... |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 14, 2024 22:33:42 GMT
She obviously does not want to listen. I did call her ignorant, and it wasn't meant [totally] as an insult. but man-o-man... the lack of critical thinking! the pretzel knot-tying to say diametrically opposing statements from one post to the next, and truly believe that you did NOT just contradict yourself?!? honestly!
...I can't do it any more.
WILLFULLY IGNORANT. LOW-INFORMATION. Textbook definition.
eta: I am not going to respond to her posts any more. I suggest none of you do so, either.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 14, 2024 22:56:31 GMT
based on what criteria/facts? whatever was known, TFG and his FBI, DOJdid not want it known by the public, . TFG squashed the investigation. All 'tip line info' was sent to the WH by the FBI!! Yes. It was widely reported at the time that there were multiple people who wanted to testify but were never even called back or contacted by the FBI or whoever was doing the vetting. And I still want to know exactly who paid off all of his outstanding debts. |
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Post by jayfab on Nov 14, 2024 23:43:07 GMT
based on what criteria/facts? whatever was known, TFG and his FBI, DOJdid not want it known by the public, . TFG squashed the investigation. All 'tip line info' was sent to the WH by the FBI!! Hell yes he's guilty. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 23:56:33 GMT
She obviously does not want to listen. I did call her ignorant, and it wasn't meant [totally] as an insult. but man-o-man... the lack of critical thinking! the pretzel knot-tying to say diametrically opposing statements from one post to the next, and truly believe that you did NOT just contradict yourself?!? honestly! ...I can't do it any more. WILLFULLY IGNORANT. LOW-INFORMATION. Textbook definition. eta: I am not going to respond to her posts any more. I suggest none of you do so, either. Yes, I need to step away from this nonsense. |
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Post by Lianna on Nov 15, 2024 1:15:48 GMT
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Post by Lianna on Nov 15, 2024 1:24:08 GMT
Because I’m not a mind, reader, or a genie I have no idea if the US will suffer a huge economic blow. They could they could not I don’t know and you don’t either. You only have to look at the results in states that have enacted harsh laws before. Workers fled, crops rotted in the field which then caused higher prices. They can't offer American workers enough to do those back breaking jobs without losing money. |
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Post by Lianna on Nov 15, 2024 1:31:47 GMT
You voted for one to be president. Shame on you lady. so did 2/3 of the country.... Wrong. When you factor in people that didn't vote, about 1/3. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Nov 15, 2024 12:35:23 GMT
Just seems fitting to drop this here before the round ups occur.  Very "Christian" of those white Evangelicals. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 12:51:04 GMT
I'm sure we on the right would be saying the same if kalama was elected.... I'm curious. Does it make you feel like some superior important VIP to constantly misspell her name? It's really not that hard. Do you purposely mispronounce it like Trump does? Why do you people do this?? I don't get it. It doesn’t make me feel superior because I’m not narcissistic enough to think that I am superior to anyone. But it’s like when your side calls Trump dump, orange man, pig, fascist, hitler, nazi, etc. It’s because I don’t respect her and I thank God every day that she lost the election. Hope that explains it for you. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 12:55:35 GMT
so did 2/3 of the country.... Wrong. When you factor in people that didn't vote, about 1/3. I guess it doesn’t matter what the numbers are, really. I’m not a statistician so it was a guess based on the red map. What does matter is that he won, took the house and senate and all seven swing states. That’s a really big win. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 15, 2024 13:04:32 GMT
From a commentary....... We've done it before... In the 1920s, Republican President Herbert Hoover initiated a nationwide roundup and deportation of people of mostly Mexican ancestry. Police and border agents simply went house-to-house in Hispanic neighborhoods from Arizona to Alaska, often kicking in doors and dragging out people who couldn’t immediately prove their citizenship. As many as 2 million people with Hispanic last names were arrested. As a result, an estimated 40% to 60% of the people arrested, detained, and deported were actually US citizens by virtue of their birth on US soil. Because they were deported without proof of citizenship (often because of home births without hospital records), however, they were never able to return to the US. During WWII, American employers encouraged Mexicans to come to the US to fill jobs vacated by US citizens who’d been drafted and sent off to war. After the war, President Eisenhower launched Operation Wetback and essentially replicated Hoover’s program; an estimated 300,000 to 1.1 million people were similarly dragged from their homes. Nobody is certain how many were US citizens, but estimates range from 30% to as many as 60%. Again, because they weren’t able to instantly prove citizenship when the police arrived at their homes, they had no way to get back into the US once they were dumped in Mexico.If Trump’s leading candidate for Attorney General, Mike Davis, assumes that role he’ll almost certainly back up Holman’s efforts, even if millions of US citizens are seized, imprisoned, and deported. He’s the guy, after all, who just tweeted:“Fuck unity. We have the votes. And they tried to kill Trump.” And “Here’s my current mood: I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall. (Legally, politically, and financially, of course.)” www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/a-second-reign-of-terror-inside-trumps-blueprint-for-home-raids/ |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 13:06:35 GMT
She obviously does not want to listen. I did call her ignorant, and it wasn't meant [totally] as an insult. but man-o-man... the lack of critical thinking! the pretzel knot-tying to say diametrically opposing statements from one post to the next, and truly believe that you did NOT just contradict yourself?!? honestly! ...I can't do it any more. WILLFULLY IGNORANT. LOW-INFORMATION. Textbook definition. eta: I am not going to respond to her posts any more. I suggest none of you do so, either. Yes, I need to step away from this nonsense. I wouldn’t say willfully ignorant or low information. Just an opposing viewpoint and that I’m able to respond without being nasty, cursing or name calling. But your not responding anymore is generally a sign that you no longer have a valid argument and you’re angry that i’m happy about the election and the cabinet picks so far. But I’m ok with that. Really, i am. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 15, 2024 13:07:55 GMT
Wrong. When you factor in people that didn't vote, about 1/3. I guess it doesn’t matter what the numbers are, really. I’m not a statistician so it was a guess based on the red map. What does matter is that he won, took the house and senate and all seven swing states. That’s a really big win. Numbers do matter. I guess when hard factual things like numbers and facts don’t match your narrative, you say they don’t matter. No, it was not a really big win based on numbers and facts. Republicans flipped a few seats in the senate and probably maintained their seats and the majority in the House. Trump won the swing states by a small margin. As we’ve already discussed, a geographical map is deceptive because it doesn’t reflect population. Land doesn’t vote, people do. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 15, 2024 13:11:14 GMT
Yes, I need to step away from this nonsense. I wouldn’t say willfully ignorant or low information. Just an opposing viewpoint and that I’m able to respond without being nasty, cursing or name calling. But your not responding anymore is generally a sign that you no longer have a valid argument and you’re angry that i’m happy about the election and the cabinet picks so far. But I’m ok with that. Really, i am. No, I would agree with low information not as an insult but based on your comments. You post things based on your feelings without any facts or evidence to back them up. Then when we show you the actual facts, you dismiss them or ignore them. That’s where the willfully ignorant part comes in. Like your post above that numbers don’t matter. Or posts regarding the economy where you clearly don’t understand basic economics. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 13:15:51 GMT
Don’t you think that 13,000 convicted murderers sitting in our jails is 12,999 too many??? I do. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 13:19:38 GMT
I guess it doesn’t matter what the numbers are, really. I’m not a statistician so it was a guess based on the red map. What does matter is that he won, took the house and senate and all seven swing states. That’s a really big win. Numbers do matter. I guess when hard factual things like numbers and facts don’t match your narrative, you say they don’t matter. No, it was not a really big win based on numbers and facts. Republicans flipped a few seats in the senate and probably maintained their seats and the majority in the House. Trump won the swing states by a small margin. As we’ve already discussed, a geographical map is deceptive because it doesn’t reflect population. Land doesn’t vote, people do. Again. The numbers don’t really matter in the long run. He wasn’t supposed to win any of the swing states and he won them all. Land doesn’t vote, that’s a fact. People do. And they did. And they elected Trump in every swing state. I guess that’s what matters in the end. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 13:22:27 GMT
I wouldn’t say willfully ignorant or low information. Just an opposing viewpoint and that I’m able to respond without being nasty, cursing or name calling. But your not responding anymore is generally a sign that you no longer have a valid argument and you’re angry that i’m happy about the election and the cabinet picks so far. But I’m ok with that. Really, i am. No, I would agree with low information not as an insult but based on your comments. You post things based on your feelings without any facts or evidence to back them up. Then when we show you the actual facts, you dismiss them or ignore them. That’s where the willfully ignorant part comes in. Like your post above that numbers don’t matter. Or posts regarding the economy where you clearly don’t understand basic economics. My opinions are opinions based on facts. Just like yours are. And they are my OPINIONS. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 15, 2024 13:25:34 GMT
Don’t you think that 13,000 convicted murderers sitting in our jails is 12,999 too many??? I do. Maybe if you actually looked at links that people post, we would not call you low information or willfully ignorant. Repeating your falsehoods does not make them true. I made it easier for you and included the relevant information. In order for an immigrant convicted and detained in a prison to be returned to their home country, the US needs to have a transfer treaty and the home country needs to be willing to accept them. It’s not as simple as return all of the criminals. www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/
It’s true that there were 13,099 noncitizens convicted of murder, as of July 21, who were not being detained by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
But the “vast majority” of them entered the country prior to the Biden administration and had their custody status determined “long before this Administration,” the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement, noting that many were in prison. Also, the noncitizens include those who entered the country legally, such as green-card holders.
“The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration,” the statement said. “It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners.”
Mittelstadt said some murderers and other criminals cannot be deported “because their country will not accept their return.” |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 15, 2024 13:33:56 GMT
No, I would agree with low information not as an insult but based on your comments. You post things based on your feelings without any facts or evidence to back them up. Then when we show you the actual facts, you dismiss them or ignore them. That’s where the willfully ignorant part comes in. Like your post above that numbers don’t matter. Or posts regarding the economy where you clearly don’t understand basic economics. My opinions are opinions based on facts. Just like yours are. And they are my OPINIONS. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own set of facts. And no, you do not have facts to back up most of your opinions. By your own admissions, your opinions are based on feelings and numbers don’t matter. Facts and numbers do matter. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 14:06:49 GMT
My opinions are opinions based on facts. Just like yours are. And they are my OPINIONS. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own set of facts. And no, you do not have facts to back up most of your opinions. By your own admissions, your opinions are based on feelings and numbers don’t matter. Facts and numbers do matter. Most of my responses were my opinions and stated as such. A win is a win at this point. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 14:08:32 GMT
Don’t you think that 13,000 convicted murderers sitting in our jails is 12,999 too many??? I do. Maybe if you actually looked at links that people post, we would not call you low information or willfully ignorant. Repeating your falsehoods does not make them true. I made it easier for you and included the relevant information. In order for an immigrant convicted and detained in a prison to be returned to their home country, the US needs to have a transfer treaty and the home country needs to be willing to accept them. It’s not as simple as return all of the criminals. www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/It’s true that there were 13,099 noncitizens convicted of murder, as of July 21, who were not being detained by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. But the “vast majority” of them entered the country prior to the Biden administration and had their custody status determined “long before this Administration,” the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement, noting that many were in prison. Also, the noncitizens include those who entered the country legally, such as green-card holders. “The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration,” the statement said. “It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners.” Mittelstadt said some murderers and other criminals cannot be deported “because their country will not accept their return.”
so now we are stuck with their sorry asses... |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 15, 2024 14:25:47 GMT
Yes, I need to step away from this nonsense. I wouldn’t say willfully ignorant or low information. Just an opposing viewpoint and that I’m able to respond without being nasty, cursing or name calling. But your not responding anymore is generally a sign that you no longer have a valid argument and you’re angry that i’m happy about the election and the cabinet picks so far. But I’m ok with that. Really, i am. That isn’t the case at all. You aren’t willing to see things in a different way and are responding based on emotion rather than facts. You aren’t discussing issues in good faith and will never part from the “Trump is great there are no issues” narrative so what is the point? It really is ok to not agree with Trump on everything or even to be able to recognize that there might be some aspects of his plans that have negative consequences, even if in the end you still think those consequences are worth it. That would be a discussion. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 15, 2024 15:51:12 GMT
I wouldn’t say willfully ignorant or low information. Just an opposing viewpoint and that I’m able to respond without being nasty, cursing or name calling. But your not responding anymore is generally a sign that you no longer have a valid argument and you’re angry that i’m happy about the election and the cabinet picks so far. But I’m ok with that. Really, i am. That isn’t the case at all. You aren’t willing to see things in a different way and are responding based on emotion rather than facts. You aren’t discussing issues in good faith and will never part from the “Trump is great there are no issues” narrative so what is the point? It really is ok to not agree with Trump on everything or even to be able to recognize that there might be some aspects of his plans that have negative consequences, even if in the end you still think those consequences are worth it. That would be a discussion. Actually, I think that is the case with the left members of this board. That was made clear when cindytred started a thread asking where the republicans were and was viscously chased off of her own thread with nasty comments about her cancer and her health care. Any republican that responded to her was greeted with nasty comments as well. And that is the case in ANY political thread. So that tells me that there is clearly only one side on this board and the left is unwilling to discuss issues in good faith unless those issues align with theirs. When I have linked data, its met with "I don't know that news source so it must be crap and/or untrue". I have seen the brunt of that as well. and are responding based on emotion rather than facts.I guess I didn't realize that this was a board in which if you don't link an opinion based fact, then don't bother responding. Or that if you have a view that opposes yours, then don't bother posting because we aren't going to give you the chance to have your own opinion, if its not ours, then you can kiss off. I suppose you should rename the NSBR to "Left leaning ONLY", or "Don't bother posting here if you are a republican/conservative". It really is ok to not agree with Trump on everything or even to be able to recognize that there might be some aspects of his plans that have negative consequences, even if in the end you still think those consequences are worth it. That would be a discussion.
I'm not sure whether you are saying that its okay for your side to not agree with Trump on everything or for my side. I will say that so far, I agree with Trump on his picks. I'm not sure about some of them because I don't know enough about them, but I am excited about a lot of them and I think that he chose wisely. Nobody is going to love everybody, but as always a lot remains to be seen. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 15, 2024 16:07:28 GMT
That was made clear when cindytred started a thread asking where the republicans were and was viscously chased off of her own thread with nasty comments about her cancer and her health care. I don't think that pointing out that she voted for and supports someone who has said he will get rid of the ACA, which is what has provided her care through her cancer journey, can really be called "nasty." I want to have the same conversation with my unemployed brother, who is a Trump supporter, and also gets his healthcare through the ACA, and pays very little for it, too. Those two things don't compute in my brain. But pointing that out is not nasty. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 15, 2024 16:10:02 GMT
From a commentary....... We've done it before... In the 1920s, Republican President Herbert Hoover initiated a nationwide roundup and deportation of people of mostly Mexican ancestry. Police and border agents simply went house-to-house in Hispanic neighborhoods from Arizona to Alaska, often kicking in doors and dragging out people who couldn’t immediately prove their citizenship. As many as 2 million people with Hispanic last names were arrested. As a result, an estimated 40% to 60% of the people arrested, detained, and deported were actually US citizens by virtue of their birth on US soil. Because they were deported without proof of citizenship (often because of home births without hospital records), however, they were never able to return to the US. During WWII, American employers encouraged Mexicans to come to the US to fill jobs vacated by US citizens who’d been drafted and sent off to war. After the war, President Eisenhower launched Operation Wetback and essentially replicated Hoover’s program; an estimated 300,000 to 1.1 million people were similarly dragged from their homes. Nobody is certain how many were US citizens, but estimates range from 30% to as many as 60%. Again, because they weren’t able to instantly prove citizenship when the police arrived at their homes, they had no way to get back into the US once they were dumped in Mexico.If Trump’s leading candidate for Attorney General, Mike Davis, assumes that role he’ll almost certainly back up Holman’s efforts, even if millions of US citizens are seized, imprisoned, and deported. He’s the guy, after all, who just tweeted:“Fuck unity. We have the votes. And they tried to kill Trump.” And “Here’s my current mood: I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall. (Legally, politically, and financially, of course.)” www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/a-second-reign-of-terror-inside-trumps-blueprint-for-home-raids/This truly makes me sick. THIS is why I worry for my daughter in law, and anyone else, who is here legally. They WILL get caught up in this, and it is really naive to think that only the rapists and murderers will be deported. But I guess for those racist folks who are gleeful about this massive deportations, some people being dumped in Mexico who are actually living her legally is just acceptable collateral damage. |
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 15, 2024 16:23:37 GMT
Do you realize most rapists are not illegals? Why not round up "ALL RAPISTS, MURDERS, SEX TRAFFICKERS"? Everyone, doesn't matter if your illegal or not. Shouldn't that be the message. Another BS shit that dump said that all illegals were rapists.
Here's a stat:
According to USSC.gov, the demographics of people who commit rape in the US include:
Race: 61.3% of offenders in cases involving rape were Native American, 57.5% were White, 16.1% were Black, 12.1% were Native American, and 11.8% were Hispanic
Age: The average age of offenders was 38 years
Citizenship: 95.4% were US citizens
Criminal history: 63.8% had little or no prior criminal history
Other statistics about rape include:
91% of rape and sexual assault victims are female, and 9% are male.
80-85% of rapes are committed by someone the victim knows.
Only 2% of rapists are convicted and imprisoned.
Sexual assault is motivated by power, control, and hostility, not sexual desire.
90% of rapes and sexual assaults are committed by one person, and 10% are committed by two or more.
In 11% of rape and sexual assault incidents, a weapon was used.
In about two out of three cases, personal weapons like hands, feet, or teeth are used against victims.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 15, 2024 17:37:05 GMT
FACT vs OPINION. They are ANTONYMS. Opposites. An opinion is NOT a FACT. from Dictionary.com: fact
[ fakt ] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun That which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth:Your fears have no basis in fact.
Something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
A truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
Something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- opinion
[ uh-pin-yuhn ] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.Synonyms: impression, idea, notion, persuasion A personal view, attitude, or appraisal. The formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case. A judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
Archaic. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Study.com Opinion VS Fact Definition & Examples |
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