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Post by katlady on Jan 8, 2025 16:23:43 GMT
Any peas in LA Canada Flintridge? Or near JPL? Also 210 in Sylmar is closed as is PCH going north from LA. I have a friend in La Canada. They evacuated and are safe. I also have a cousin and friend in So. Pasadena (below the 210 freeway). I told them they are welcomed down here if they need to leave, or if they just want to get away from the smoke. Hard to believe that just 8 days ago that area was showcased on the Rose Parade and Rose Bowl. Now this. Makes me so sad. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 8, 2025 16:29:09 GMT
Tar Pits and LA Natural History Museum are closed.
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Post by katlady on Jan 8, 2025 16:36:03 GMT
One of my cousins works in downtown LA and they got sent home from work because of the bad air quality. LA is a basin, so that bad air is just going to sit there for awhile.  |
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Post by leeny on Jan 8, 2025 16:37:59 GMT
I've been monitoring Watch Duty App and news, it is so awful. Sending hugs to SoCal Peas.
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Post by flanz on Jan 8, 2025 16:47:17 GMT
http://instagram.com/p/DEkTEKdJxe9 Jacob Soboroff was born and raised in Pacific Palisades. His posts on Insta and NBC news reports are heartbreaking, especially knowing it's so personal for him. wishing safety for all in harms way, and feeling so very sad for all who have lost their homes. Fire popping up left and right, we're also under fire watch conditions. I need to check and redo our "grab and go" bags and boxes. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 8, 2025 16:58:51 GMT
It seems to be getting continually worse as time goes by...
So very scary! Stay safe out there!
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Post by katlady on Jan 8, 2025 17:01:50 GMT
If any of these turn out to be arson, I hope the person gets life in jail!
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Post by cindosha on Jan 8, 2025 17:56:44 GMT
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Post by cmpeter on Jan 8, 2025 19:36:11 GMT
So scary. We used to live in Pasadena and my son went to elementary school in La Canada-Flintridge.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 8, 2025 20:19:17 GMT
Jacob Soboroff was born and raised in Pacific Palisades. His posts on Insta and NBC news reports are heartbreaking, especially knowing it's so personal for him. wishing safety for all in harms way, and feeling so very sad for all who have lost their homes. Fire popping up left and right, we're also under fire watch conditions. I need to check and redo our "grab and go" bags and boxes. Thanks for linking this - it's always humbling to see good reporting from such a personally devastating perspective.  Resources are being spread so thin right now and all most of us can do is watch and wait. It is a reminder to make sure all our paperwork and must go items are easy to grab. |
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Post by flanz on Jan 8, 2025 20:35:44 GMT
Jacob Soboroff was born and raised in Pacific Palisades. His posts on Insta and NBC news reports are heartbreaking, especially knowing it's so personal for him. wishing safety for all in harms way, and feeling so very sad for all who have lost their homes. Fire popping up left and right, we're also under fire watch conditions. I need to check and redo our "grab and go" bags and boxes. Thanks for linking this - it's always humbling to see good reporting from such a personally devastating perspective. Resources are being spread so thin right now and all most of us can do is watch and wait. It is a reminder to make sure all our paperwork and must go items are easy to grab. Yes, I'm about to go check our emergency evac boxes. I packed them when we thought we might need to evacuate during peak Covid days so have a ton of stuff I thought would be practical. Will look at it all again. Of course, that prep only matters if you are home when you need to evacuate and have a vehicle to throw it into. My heart aches for all of these poor people. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 8, 2025 20:50:00 GMT
I think it's high time to turn all of CA into a beautiful national park. Clearly, it's unhappy. It's not going to get better.
I would sell up now and move anywhere else.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 8, 2025 20:55:31 GMT
I know there are stories about lack of water. And there is always more to the story. This opooed ip on twitter and it dies make sense. But we won’t know the full story until the fires are out. “ The reason there is "no water" available in fire hydrants in LA is because the water lines have been broken or burned by the fire, so there is no water pressure, in addition to low water pressure due to 8 months of drought. Resist politicized accusations and conspiracy theories.” “ In addition, loss of power means that pumping stations don't have electricity which also is needed for water pressure. People blaming the Mayor (like racist ignoramus @elonmusk and the real estate mogul who lost the mayoral race) are just stupid, uncaring people with agendas.l x.com/themediawitch/status/1877032099691082055?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 8, 2025 21:12:02 GMT
It is just heartbreaking. So much destruction. I read that the winds are so high they can't use planes to fight the fires so they are having to do it from the ground.
Prayers for everyone impacted.
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Post by Zee on Jan 8, 2025 21:15:22 GMT
It is just heartbreaking. So much destruction. I read that the winds are so high they can't use planes to fight the fires so they are having to do it from the ground. Prayers for everyone impacted. CA firefighters are the bravest people on the planet. I watched a show about natural disasters and the episode covering people trapped by wildfire was the most frightening thing I've ever seen. Seems like they're doing this every few months. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 8, 2025 21:20:20 GMT
I think it's high time to turn all of CA into a beautiful national park. Clearly, it's unhappy. It's not going to get better. I would sell up now and move anywhere else. No, it is time for California to properly manage our land as well as power lines. We go through these ebbs and flows all the time. I remember 85-90° winters as a kid and teen. I was in our family pool swimming several Christmases and January's. Instead of pants and sweaters I wore shorts to school. I also remember 115-120° summers as well. And being in band camp in 100° weather marching to learn our routine and sweating at football games. We have zero land management. And no one holds Edison and other power companies responsible for their lack of maintenance. I was 7 years old when we had horrible wind store like this and we lost 2 trees in the front yard. Cut down the damn shrubs and dry grass/plants/etc or set out goats to plow it down naturally. Remove dead trees from the forest that are infected with bugs or just dead. Clear out the crap on the ground. Invest in sprinkler systems to keep ground moist. And for Christ sake burry all the damn lines. Because power shouldn't have to be off to dead the lines swaying in the wind. Of course you have the damn idiots who start them too and nothing you can do about that The one by me in Sept was started by an arsonist. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 8, 2025 21:22:28 GMT
My area has wild do keys that have been here before us.
They are being herded up and moving to Texas.
They keep the hillsides clear.
But you know...I am sure next year it will all be bulldozed for new homes.
And that is another issue. High density housing and packing everyone in a shoe box. A fire starts and it has enough energy to keep going.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 8, 2025 21:25:48 GMT
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Post by Zee on Jan 8, 2025 21:26:59 GMT
My area has wild do keys that have been here before us. They are being herded up and moving to Texas. They keep the hillsides clear. But you know...I am sure next year it will all be bulldozed for new homes. And that is another issue. High density housing and packing everyone in a shoe box. A fire starts and it has enough energy to keep going. Yep, too many people and unpredictable angry land. Not sustainable. Not enough water. The earth needs a break. But eventually we'll all die off and the earth can heal while the AI bots do their thing. Interesting to contemplate. |
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Post by hopemax on Jan 8, 2025 21:52:45 GMT
I saw a quote in regards to something else, but feels appropriate when it comes to climate change.
"What is said in advance sounds like hysteria, but in hindsight is woefully inadequate."
The appetite for the infrastructure improvements and management necessary would be small. Nobody wants to pay the costs, taxes or fees that that kind of proactive action would require. I shared an article about how climate change modeling is insufficient. Humans simply don't have the tools or knowledge to get it right. Which means no government or entity is doing enough. But they will be blamed by the people who if shown a plan of what needed to be done would bitch about the costs and the necessity, because surely things would never be that bad.
I've been under the belief that governments have been raiding Peter to pay Paul since Reagan's war on the usefulness of government. With infrastructure and management incompetencies set to blow up in the moment when they will be required the most (not a surprise because under severe stress is when things blow up). But even after things like this, or the unexpected flooding in NC or whatever future disaster happens, people will choose bitching and blame games and reject any tax increase for even minor mitigation projects, let alone the massive projects that are likely necessary. So people will pay for the recovery instead.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 8, 2025 21:59:01 GMT
I saw a quote in regards to something else, but feels appropriate when it comes to climate change. "What is said in advance sounds like hysteria, but in hindsight is woefully inadequate." The appetite for the infrastructure improvements and management necessary would be small. Nobody wants to pay the costs, taxes or fees that that kind of proactive action would require. I shared an article about how climate change modeling is insufficient. Humans simply don't have the tools or knowledge to get it right. Which means no government or entity is doing enough. But they will be blamed by the people who if shown a plan of what needed to be done would bitch about the costs and the necessity, because surely things would never be that bad. I've been under the belief that governments have been raiding Peter to pay Paul since Reagan's war on the usefulness of government. With infrastructure and management incompetencies set to blow up in the moment when they will be required the most (not a surprise because under severe stress is when things blow up). But even after things like this, or the unexpected flooding in NC or whatever future disaster happens, people will choose bitching and blame games and reject any tax increase for even minor mitigation projects, let alone the massive projects that are likely necessary. So people will pay for the recovery instead. It just goes to show that the state and energy powers did not learn their lesson when it came to the Camp Fire in 2018. Nothing NOTHING proactive has been done other than raising costs of energy use. So we the people are paying the debts of PG&E. |
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Post by hopemax on Jan 8, 2025 22:06:59 GMT
I think it's clear Upton Sinclair had it right.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
You could replace salary with any number of money terms and it still works. "Discretionary spending" "Quarterly budget" "Yearly bonus" "tax obligation."
James Woods, who unfortunately seems to have lost his house in the fire, and he's still screaming this has nothing to do with climate change, just "incompetent libs."
It's a bleak future.
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Post by katlady on Jan 8, 2025 22:07:07 GMT
Regarding burying power lines, when a power line starts a fire, it is usually the larger transmission lines that are out in the back country. Those are hard to bury underground because of the terrain. The power companies can and should take care of the trees and foliage that is around the area. The winds whip the lines around and they spark and start a fire. Both SDGE and PGE where found liable of this.
Goats were one time used to control the bush. I don't know what happened to that program. There was even a farm nearby that rented out their goats, but they are gone.
Many of these fires are in canyon areas, not forests. And with the growth of homes, you cannot do a controlled burn in a residential neighborhood. Camp Pendleton has controlled burns, and they get out of control once in a while.
You can keep a defensible space around your home and property, but the winds blow ember around and you can't control where those land. Fire-retardant roofs are mandatory on all new builds. And if you replace your roof, it must be fire-retardant. A dangerous spot are eaves. Embers can blow under an eave and start a fire. There are some new regulations about eaves, but I am not familiar with them.
And yes, we have too many people living in areas that are hard to defend against fires. Because, fires will happen in So.Cal. They've been happening forever. But now, people live in those areas.
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Post by flanz on Jan 8, 2025 22:07:11 GMT
It is just heartbreaking. So much destruction. I read that the winds are so high they can't use planes to fight the fires so they are having to do it from the ground. Prayers for everyone impacted. CA firefighters are the bravest people on the planet. I watched a show about natural disasters and the episode covering people trapped by wildfire was the most frightening thing I've ever seen. Seems like they're doing this every few months. Heroes!! Actual real life heroes who are underpaid and often underappreciated. |
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Post by katlady on Jan 8, 2025 22:10:37 GMT
The appetite for the infrastructure improvements and management necessary would be small. Nobody wants to pay the costs, taxes or fees that that kind of proactive action would require. I shared an article about how climate change modeling is insufficient. Humans simply don't have the tools or knowledge to get it right. Which means no government or entity is doing enough. But they will be blamed by the people who if shown a plan of what needed to be done would bitch about the costs and the necessity, because surely things would never be that bad. This! We are not being proactive because it costs too much for something that may never happen, or something that may only happen once every 10 years. But, I hope this starts to wake up people that this is going to be happening more and more often with population growth and global warming. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 8, 2025 23:49:26 GMT
Oh and there are tankers working the fire. They called in additional resources to try and protect the water plant. (Palisades Fire)
It's going to Old Topanga Canyon now. And more evacuations have been ordered.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 9, 2025 1:06:22 GMT
One job that I wish could be taken over by technology or robots or something is reporting on natural disasters. I hate to see the reporters in danger like they are in the fires now.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 9, 2025 1:10:43 GMT
My heart goes out to everyone affected by the fires. And a debt of gratitude to the firefighters trying to contain the fires. Also, regarding the water shortages. I don’t live in CA, but everyone knows that water issues are complicated and not as simple as incompetent utilities or an incompetent Mayor or governor as Musk and Trump unhelpfully suggested. Could the utility have managed things better? Probably, but they’re dealing with an old infrastructure system badly in need of investment and improvements. In addition, they’re in the middle of a long drought, pump stations are inaccessible because of the fires, too much demand, gravity and trying to push water uphill and other factors. www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-08/lack-of-water-from-hydrants-in-palisades-fire-is-hampering-firefighters-caruso-says“We had a tremendous demand on our system in the Palisades. We pushed the system to the extreme,” Quiñones said Wednesday morning. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.”Quiñones said that the hydrants in the Palisades rely on three large water tanks with about 1 million gallons each. The first ran dry at 4:45 p.m. Tuesday; the second at 8:30 p.m.; and the third was dry at 3 a.m. Wednesday.“Those tanks help with the pressure on the fire hydrants in the hills in the Palisades, and because we were pushing so much water in our trunk line, and so much water was being used. ... we were not able to fill the tanks fast enough,” she said. “So the consumption of water was faster than we can provide water in a trunk line.”In other words, the demand for water at lower elevations was hampering the ability to refill the tanks located at higher elevations. Because of the ongoing fire, DWP crews also faced difficulty accessing its pump stations, which are used to move water up to the tanks.The utility on Wednesday was sending 20 tankers with water to support firefighters in the Palisades, and the tankers were having to reload at other distant locations.“We are constantly moving that water to the fire department to get them as much water as we can,” Quiñones said.Anderson Cooper on Palisades water shortage |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 9, 2025 1:36:38 GMT
It is just heartbreaking. So much destruction. I read that the winds are so high they can't use planes to fight the fires so they are having to do it from the ground. Prayers for everyone impacted. They were able to get the planes into the air today for water drops... |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 9, 2025 1:37:47 GMT
It is just heartbreaking. So much destruction. I read that the winds are so high they can't use planes to fight the fires so they are having to do it from the ground. Prayers for everyone impacted. They were able to get the planes into the air today for water drops... I pray that it begins to help. The images are heartbreaking to say the least. |
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