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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2025 6:00:02 GMT
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 10, 2025 13:25:07 GMT
The Los Angeles Police Department has confirmed to NewsNation that the Kenneth Fire is now being investigated as an arson case, and one person is in custody. Sickening. It is disgusting. Apparently there are several people that have been trying to start more fires around the area. I can't even fathom what is the matter with them.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 10, 2025 13:36:22 GMT
I am so sorry for all those affected by the horror of these fires. Watching it on tv is overwhelming. I can't imagine being there.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2025 18:54:47 GMT
"Super Scooper" Quebec One has been grounded after being hit by a drone. Hole in the wing. They landed safely! Hopefully a quick repair. Person flying drone faces 12 months in jail and $75,000 fine..
Thought I heard they will ground all air traffic, but I am NOT sure!!!!!!
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 10, 2025 21:34:02 GMT
Checking in here, thanks Flanz and Malibou for thinking of me!
Things are good here, actually clear blue skies because the wind is blowing the other way I guess. We lost power for 2 days and that was an inconvenience but it got me off the phone/tv and crying over the devastation.
My heart hurts for my beautiful state. And OH MY GOD the hate we are getting on social media is insane. I mean, they really hate us here in California, it's gross.
Praying it this nightmare ends soon. These poor people. Ugh, what a time we live in.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 10, 2025 22:09:21 GMT
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Post by katlady on Jan 10, 2025 22:11:30 GMT
One thing I am getting tired of hearing is that the reservoirs were dry. They were not dry. The local reservoirs are filled. They just couldn't get the water into the tanks that supply hydrants with water fast enough. It was a matter of geography and demand. Here is a good account of what happened. ktla.com/news/local-news/why-did-fire-hydrants-go-dry-for-crews-fighting-the-palisades-fire/I do agree that the systems need upgrading. They are old. They were built to handle 1-2 house fires at a time, not an entire community. Also, So. Cal. only gets 30% of their water from Northern California, so the story about saving the Smelt fish is being blown out of proportion with regards to the water issue down here.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 22:16:01 GMT
President Biden on Thursday said intentional power outages administered in the Los Angeles area to prevent more fires from starting were partially to blame for water shortages as officials battle historic wildfires near the city’s limits.
In a briefing with administration officials from the White House, Biden said generators were on the way and that he talked to California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) about the water shortages. He explained that utilities were shut off out of concern about sparking more fires that are devastating neighborhoods in and around Southern California.
“What I know from talking to the governor, there are concerns out there that there’s also been a water shortage. The fact is the utilities, understandably, shut off power because they are worried the lines that carried energy were going to be blown down and spark additional fires,” he said. “When it did that, it cut off the ability to generate pumping the water, that’s what caused the lack of water in these hydrants.”
He added that Cal Fire, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, is bringing in generators to help with the shortage of water coming out of the hydrants.
President-elect Trump has criticized the water shortage in statements on Truth Social, saying earlier Thursday that Newsom “should immediately go to Northern California and open up the water main, and let the water flow into his dry, starving, burning State, instead of having it go out into the Pacific Ocean.”
Trump has also blamed Newsom for the fires, calling for him to resign late Wednesday. Newsom hit back, saying he was doing everything he could to protect people and make sure firefighters have what they need and that Trump wants to “politicize” the fires.
Trump also said the California governor should have signed a declaration to pump additional water through the Golden State to avert a situation like this week’s. But it’s unclear just what declaration Trump was referring to.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 22:16:30 GMT
Our plants need back up or their own source of energy to be able to keep pumping water
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Post by katlady on Jan 10, 2025 22:20:47 GMT
Trump has mentioned before that he intends to get water flowing freely into California. From where??
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 22:24:14 GMT
Trump has mentioned before that he intends to get water flowing freely into California. From where?? I have seen where we are being blamed because we didn't remove bushes What fucken bushes??? It's a freaking community with plants and laws and trees. Should be have none of that and make our summers even hotter with urban landscape of cement only? Like wtf And yes it pisses me off. Damn idiots
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 10, 2025 22:35:01 GMT
Trump has mentioned before that he intends to get water flowing freely into California. From where?? He had a long winded story about a huge wheel crank type thing that was huge you can’t believe how huge takes up a whole wall and then pretended to try and move it. He says it took all day to move this crank wheel but that it exists. He is nuts. We know it doesn’t exist. He never said where this was located. The more I hear about how things really work snd where our water comes from I realize I was completely mislead/misinformed for years. I thought most of our water came from Northern California. I don’t know how one can work with him since he won’t listen to how things really work.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2025 23:07:16 GMT
Was he talking about water wheels that powered equipment often grinding grains in wheel houses beside the rivers?
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But they believe his crazy stories!!
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jan 10, 2025 23:21:28 GMT
Was he talking about water wheels that powered equipment often grinding grains in wheel houses beside the rivers? *** But they believe his crazy stories!! I swear he made it sound big like that but I’m thinking it was on a wall not in water but maybe that is what he saw and thinks that was to control the water 😂 😂 😂. Some of his other mistakes make that a likely possibly.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 11, 2025 0:12:08 GMT
I just wanted to say that if anyone would be interested in a reputable donation site that the Pasadena Humane Society is a good organization. They are currently providing free pet supplies to pet parents that need them as well as sheltering animals that have been displaced. Here is a link if anyone is moved to donate pasadenahumane.org/eaton-canyon-fire-update/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2025 1:56:37 GMT
ABC at 9pm Eastern special about fires in CA!
American Catastrophies
Special 20/20
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Post by FurryP on Jan 11, 2025 2:56:45 GMT
I just wanted to say that if anyone would be interested in a reputable donation site that the Pasadena Humane Society is a good organization. They are currently providing free pet supplies to pet parents that need them as well as sheltering animals that have been displaced. Here is a link if anyone is moved to donate pasadenahumane.org/eaton-canyon-fire-update/I just donated. We can't forget about the innocent furbabies. Thank you for posting the link.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 11, 2025 4:19:31 GMT
I just wanted to say that if anyone would be interested in a reputable donation site that the Pasadena Humane Society is a good organization. They are currently providing free pet supplies to pet parents that need them as well as sheltering animals that have been displaced. Here is a link if anyone is moved to donate pasadenahumane.org/eaton-canyon-fire-update/I just donated. We can't forget about the innocent furbabies. Thank you for posting the link. That makes me happy. I know that there is so much need for people and animals, I am trying to do what I can and I know shelters struggle on a daily basis but obviously they are doing so much right now. I have a friend near the area and they were helping out today. The way said it was incredibly busy. Today is one of my beloved dog's birthday, he has been gone for years, but I donated in his honor. Thank you for making a donation too. ETA if anyone is local and wants to make a physical donation they are looking for pet shampoo. The animals are apparently filthy and especially the cats need to be cleaned so they don't groom themselves and get sick from the ash.
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Post by katlady on Jan 11, 2025 4:37:11 GMT
One of the animal shelters sent a bunch of animals that were in the shelter before the fire down here to San Diego. They had to make room for the animals from the fire. I saw one video of a dog approaching a firefighter. So sad!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 13, 2025 5:12:50 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Jan 14, 2025 16:22:53 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 14, 2025 16:32:18 GMT
That's really questionable¡
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Post by grammadee on Jan 14, 2025 16:34:02 GMT
Trump has mentioned before that he intends to get water flowing freely into California. From where?? Dontchaknow that when Canada becomes the 51st state we will gladly release all the water we have been holding up here in secret reservoirs? Our rivers are now flowing uselessly into the ocean. No problem rerouting them a few thousand miles...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2025 17:17:06 GMT
Property damage and economic loss estimates, according to AccuWeather, have reached $275 billion. More than 12,000 structures have been destroyed. The current death toll is at least 24, and thousands have been displaced.
“I believe it’s greater damage than if they got hit by a nuclear weapon,” Trump said. “I’ve never seen anything like it. Vast miles and miles of houses just burned to a crisp. There’s nothing standing.”
“And they’re going to find many bodies, you know,” he continued. “Only the dogs will find them, right? You know, German Shepherds will. They can pick out the ashes immediately. It’s amazing. But we’re going to find many bodies and many more, many more dead.” Trump then reiterated his argument that the wildfires arose in part due to the lack of raking the forest floor.
“If you look at the trees—even now I’m watching. I’ve become like an all-time expert at this,“ he claimed. ”And those trees, many of those trees just remain standing. What happens is when the tree falls down, it’s got 18 months before it becomes a matchstick. And you have to remove those trees because they’re literally—it’s like lighting a match."
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Post by katlady on Jan 14, 2025 17:40:31 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Jan 14, 2025 18:00:45 GMT
If the House puts restrictions on federal aid, I really hope Newsome threatens to stop sending any money to the feds. That would be a rude awakening to this country.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 14, 2025 19:07:21 GMT
Exactly. I mean, how much money do blue states send to red states on a regular basis because they can't seem to get their shit together? Maybe there should be talk about making strings attached to that aid, similar to what they talk about with "welfare queens" and others who "leach" off of the government? Aren't they essentially the state version of this? They have had enough years to improve their state's well-being and maybe it's time for some tough love. AFter all, improving their education, economy, etc would be easier than trying to prepare for any and all natural disasters that could happen. That being said, I just listened to an episode of The Daily and they talked about all that California has already done to prepare for fires. Are there things that can be learned and improved on? Of course. But they were already ahead of the game in terms of what other states have done to prepare for natural disasters.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 14, 2025 22:18:48 GMT
Infuriating that Republicans are trying to use aid for California as leverage to pass the debt ceiling. They can't pass the debt ceiling on their own and need the Democrats to help. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-13-2025So Republicans are currently exploring the idea of leveraging aid to California for the deadly fires in order to get Democrats to sign on to raising the debt ceiling. Meredith Lee Hill of Politico reported that Trump met with a group of influential House Republicans over dinner Sunday night at Mar-a-Lago to discuss tying aid for the wildfires to raising the debt ceiling. Today, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) confirmed to reporter Hill that this plan is under discussion.
Indeed, Republicans have been in the media suggesting that disaster aid to Democratic states should be tied to their adopting Republican policies. The Los Angeles fires have now claimed at least 24 lives. More than 15,000 firefighters are working to extinguish the wildfires, which have been driven by Santa Ana winds of up to 98 miles (158 km) an hour over ground scorched by high temperatures and low rainfall since last May, conditions caused by climate change.
On the Fox News Channel today, Representative Zach Nunn (R-IA) said: "We will certainly help those thousands of homes and families who have been devastated, but we also expect you to change bad behavior. We should look at the same for these blue states who have run away with a broken tax policy.... Those governors need to change their tune now.” Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) blamed Democrats for the fires and said of federal disaster relief: “I certainly wouldn't vote for anything unless we see a dramatic change in how they're gonna be handling these things in the future.”
Aside from the morality of demanding concessions for disaster aid after President Joe Biden responded with full and unconditional support for regions hit by Hurricane Helene (although Tennessee governor Bill Lee is still lying that Biden delayed aid to his state, when in fact he delayed in asking for it, as required by law), there is a financial problem with this argument. As economist Paul Krugman noted today in his Krugman Wonks Out, California “is literally subsidizing the rest of the United States, red states in particular, through the federal budget.”
In 2022, the most recent year for which information is available, California paid $83 billion more to the federal government than it got back. Washington state also subsidized the rest of the country, as did most of the Northeast. That money flowed to Republican-dominated states, which contributed far less to the federal government than they received in return.
Krugman noted that “if West Virginia were a country, it would in effect be receiving foreign aid equal to more than 20 percent of its G[ross] D[omestic] P[roduct].” Krugman refers to the federal government as “an insurance company with an army,” and he notes that there is “nothing either the city or the state could have done to prevent” the wildfires. “If the United States of America doesn’t take care of its own citizens, wherever they live and whatever their politics, we should drop “United” from our name,” he writes. “As it happens, however, California—a major driver of U.S. prosperity and power—definitely has earned the right to receive help during a crisis.”
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 14, 2025 22:23:04 GMT
Also infuriating that Johnson thinks there should be conditions on the aid. www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/01/13/congress/johnson-wildfire-california-debt-limit-00197900House Speaker Mike Johnson confirmed to reporters Monday there’s “been some discussion” of tying California wildfire aid to a debt limit increase, after GOP members raised the issue with Donald Trump in several meetings at the President-elect’s Florida resort this weekend.
The notion that Congress could make the release of disaster relief dollars conditional upon also agreeing to raise the debt ceiling is already facing pushback from some Democrats.
Johnson told reporters, “we’ll see where it goes,” acknowledging that he, personally, supported putting “conditions” on California wildfire aid.
“That’s my personal view,” he said.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 14, 2025 22:26:41 GMT
Property damage and economic loss estimates, according to AccuWeather, have reached $275 billion. More than 12,000 structures have been destroyed. The current death toll is at least 24, and thousands have been displaced.
“I believe it’s greater damage than if they got hit by a nuclear weapon,” Trump said. “I’ve never seen anything like it. Vast miles and miles of houses just burned to a crisp. There’s nothing standing.”
“And they’re going to find many bodies, you know,” he continued. “Only the dogs will find them, right? You know, German Shepherds will. They can pick out the ashes immediately. It’s amazing. But we’re going to find many bodies and many more, many more dead.” Trump then reiterated his argument that the wildfires arose in part due to the lack of raking the forest floor.
“If you look at the trees—even now I’m watching. I’ve become like an all-time expert at this,“ he claimed. ”And those trees, many of those trees just remain standing. What happens is when the tree falls down, it’s got 18 months before it becomes a matchstick. And you have to remove those trees because they’re literally—it’s like lighting a match."
The stupidity of his comments is not surprising. Nor is the insensitively to victims and their families. But, it's still appalling that this is the president elect making these insensitive and ridiculous (raking the floor) comments.
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